[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 138, Issue 19
Peter Wolf
pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Tue Sep 27 22:14:47 UTC 2016
Marsha, what is your puppy's name and breed? It helps aim prayers to “see” you. Prayers to you both.
For all of us, the following carries a mixed opinion, what to do if we catch something bad swallowed in time. We should all know about this. I’m not a vet and and this is not advice. It is vet advice that (I) took successfully to help my own dog once. Please go read up on it or check out u-tubes from vets that are out there, and make your own decisions because there is also risk.
My dog once ate nuts toxic to a dog. The vet recommended a teaspoon of normal 3% peroxide, right down the throat to induce vomiting. She began a series of vomiting, up to several times starting within 15 to 40 seconds. It lasted a couple of minutes, and then was clear. This empties things out of the stomach immediately, if, it is soon enough and so the target substance is still in the stomach.
Warning, vomiting can’t be done with caustics; that’s even worse. And note the general risk. The dog can aspirate vomit, which is inhaling vomit - essentially pneumonia. That is bad. Real bad. We can’t control everything, but reasonably, I felt that if I could control her body position, it would keep things right. I alternated kneeling and holding her up, or stradled her, and held her upright, standing, head forward and down in a natural vomiting position, until I knew she was through. It worked well, we watched her for a while, and we ended up not even going to the vet.
Take care,
Peter
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> 2. Re: prayers needed please (Donna St. John)
> 3. Re: prayers needed please (Becky Frankeberger)
> 4. Distractions (Rachel Grider)
> 5. Re: Distractions (lkeeler at comcast.net)
> 6. Re: Distractions (Daryl Marie)
> 7. Re: Distractions (lkeeler at comcast.net)
> 8. Re: prayers needed please (Lisie Foster)
> 9. Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life (Peter Wolf)
> 10. Re: Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life (Andy B.)
> 11. Re: Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life (Julie J.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 12:53:08 -0400
> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
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> Please pray, send positive thoughts and love to my puppy. we are on vacation and had left puppy with a family who also loves dogs. This morning my puppy got into a bag of dark semi sweet chocolate and a bag of pretzels. It was a large amount of chocolate about 12oz. The family watching her saw it right away, and took her to the nearest animal hospital. Puppy is not doing well. but its now a wait and see thing. I am so nervous that this will end her working career. Please pray for my puppy.
>
> Marsha drenth
> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
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> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:34:08 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "Donna St. John" <furkids4me at yahoo.com>
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> Hello Marsha
>
> My thoughts and prayers are with you and your puppy girl.I hoe she makes a speedy recovery.? Please keep us allposted.
> Donna and Elsa
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:10:31 -0700
> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
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> Marsha, praying. Warm hugs to you,
>
> Becky and Jake
>
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> Cc: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
>
> Please pray, send positive thoughts and love to my puppy. we are on vacation
> and had left puppy with a family who also loves dogs. This morning my puppy
> got into a bag of dark semi sweet chocolate and a bag of pretzels. It was a
> large amount of chocolate about 12oz. The family watching her saw it right
> away, and took her to the nearest animal hospital. Puppy is not doing well.
> but its now a wait and see thing. I am so nervous that this will end her
> working career. Please pray for my puppy.
>
> Marsha drenth
> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
> Sent with my IPhone
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> such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate errors.
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> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:45:35 -0700
> From: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
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> Hi, Guys:
>
> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>
> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
> well.
>
> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
> improving.
>
> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:41:04 -0400
> From: <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
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> Have fun! Holly thinks tis the season! She starts sniffing just about
> everything! After a couple of weeks, she'll slow down the sniffing but, in
> the meantime, lots of corrections!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 7:45 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Rachel Grider
> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>
> Hi, Guys:
>
> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>
> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
> well.
>
> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
> improving.
>
> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Rachel
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:11:07 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
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> Great work! that's awesome! :)
> I am sure there is something to the season change, though my guide has seasonal allergies that make her a little edgier than she otherwise would be... so I don't discount the season change = distraction. But keep up the great work!
>
> We had another service dog get on the bus today. They were both a little excited to see each other (Jenny let out a little happy whimper, and his tail started wagging like crazy), but above all they both listened and left each other alone. :)
>
> WINNER!
>
> Daryl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
> Sent: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:45:35 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>
> Hi, Guys:
>
> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>
> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
> well.
>
> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
> improving.
>
> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Rachel
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:09:33 -0400
> From: <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
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> Holly routinely runs into other service dogs. She often wags the body but
> usually behaves herself.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daryl Marie via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:11 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Daryl Marie
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
>
> Great work! that's awesome! :)
> I am sure there is something to the season change, though my guide has
> seasonal allergies that make her a little edgier than she otherwise would
> be... so I don't discount the season change = distraction. But keep up the
> great work!
>
> We had another service dog get on the bus today. They were both a little
> excited to see each other (Jenny let out a little happy whimper, and his
> tail started wagging like crazy), but above all they both listened and left
> each other alone. :)
>
> WINNER!
>
> Daryl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
> Sent: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:45:35 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>
> Hi, Guys:
>
> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>
> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
> well.
>
> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
> improving.
>
> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Rachel
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 01:04:23 -0400
> From: Lisie Foster <lisiefoster at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
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> Sending many prayers to your dog and to you, Marsha. How hard that would be to be away and find out something like that had happened. I'm glad the family she was staying with saw right away what happened. I hope so much that your pup will be OK! Much love to you both.
>
>
> Lisie and Sundance
> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
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>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Marsha Drenth via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Please pray, send positive thoughts and love to my puppy.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 23:47:03 -0700
> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
> Message-ID: <68BE7403-88B6-4F90-8E38-0EDE4C90B4F8 at wolfskills.com>
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> I can?t weigh in about rabbit or gas. But this brings up a general food inquiry. We?ve done a lot of research. It might be nice to share generally what we?ve learned and done for good long healthy lives with dog food.
>
> Between my wife and me in our lifetimes, we?ve lost animals earlier than we might think is really normal for them. Or, not being as healthy as they perhaps could have been, and also, dying early of things like diabetes - which just shouldn?t be. In that case, it was the vet who suggested that carbohydrate laden food weakened and ultimately killed her. That was directed by a vet. But if you look at junky commercial food and treats sold through vet offices, it puts us back to inquiry.
>
> We?ve been feeding the girls good balanced organic food, that seems sensible for their animal type and metabolism. This, in (money) terms, might be the same we would have spent on medical/health issues in our dogs, possibly for premature death and high vet bills for managing breaking down dogs, becase feeding them this way is expensive. But this isn?t about money, even if what we feed them costs a lot. Most importantly, it?s that we want them to live and feel their best, and live the longest healthiest possible lives in the most wonderful shape they can.
>
> So we?ve done a big amount of research, to find that only some dog foods are really clean and organic. And even if so, it?s necessary to check the food labels. Companies come and go, and get bought and sold. Only the brand label on the front of the package appears the same. For example, we finally found something that was fantastic food. We used Castor and Pollux ?Organics", which was outstanding and very well balanced food?until we found out that they got bought by Purina. We switched. And recently, we read an ?Organix? ingredients label. We won?t use it again. It?s necessary to stay on top of ingredients.
>
> Another thing is the use of canola oil. Canola is essentially a waste oil, which would be great for machinery. But go consult Dr. Google and you may be as convinced as we have been that it doesn?t belong in food, for anybody. Canola (from the
> ?rapeseed" plant) grows in Canada and now elsewhere. Nonetheless, unless organic it still gets the chemical treatment of other plants you wouldn?t want to eat. At one point the found that the plant blasts out of the ground like a weed so successfully in Canada, that when they found that they could press the seeds and get an abundant source of oil, they had a potential goldmine. And so they had to invent a marketing strategy. They probably figured out that they wouldn?t have much success with ?rape?, so they named it "Can-ola".
>
> Canola gets put into dog food, even really premium expensive ones, cyclically. That?s the same reason you?ll buy potato chips one month and it will say ?Sunflower oil?, and then later the same brand might say ?Sunflower, Canola and/or other oils??whichever supplies and costs less at that time and I?d understand as ?not sunflower?. In dog food, for one couple of months, it might be chicken fat or something else that?s ok to metabolize. Then the next time you buy a big bag of the same flavor, it might have canola. That?s why to stay on top of the labels. Did you guys know that? It?s what we've found out once we got it home.
>
> But this is ok, because it?s good to cycle a dog?s food. Different meats, cycled on and off every few months gives dogs? immune systems variety and adaptation. Corn, soy and wheat aren?t things dogs metabolize well, and can lead to systemic inflamation and allergies, which are a result of it. That?s in a lot of the low grade commercial foods, as is ?fish or meat meal? instead of real meat or fish. I won?t gross you out on what can be in ?meal?. Unless you want to look up the five or more definitions of ?condemned animal?.
>
> So many names that harken ?the wild? or such terms are great marketing. But most dog food products are all made by a few companies. And we got curious after periodic food recalls of them to begin researching. In the past couple of years, we?ve arrived at using dry food from Acana. They are made by Orijen. Same little company, two products. Orijen is super high protein. If we buy it, we mix it with Acana, because protein alone isn?t great for kidneys. That?s why we like Acana. It?s a good mix. We?ll spend a bunch of money on it, but again, we won?t be surprised if not stressing our dogs systems on junky food costs the same or less than tearfully financing chronic or acute vet bills for broken down dogs in the long term.
>
> Then there?s raw. We give them a little raw morning and night. It might be Primal nuggets, but more lately we?ve given them chicken or other meats/organs. Just a little is great, like one or two tablespoons worth. In one day, ?dog breath? was cured, and their breath has been sweet ever since. And their teeth and gums began looking better over a longer term of it. We think it?s about the natural enzymes in raw food.
>
> On cycles: We?ll do chicken when it?s in the dry food chicken cycle. That?s a couple of big bags worth. Then we?ll get them off chicken when we switch to another flavor, etc. We?ll buy packages of organic boneless chicken breast for example.
>
> For possible concerns about chicken bacteria from processing plants, here?s what I do for preparing a bunch at once: I?d be content just to rinse well and freeze raw chicken, but my wife likes to be sure it?s clean. Not a big deal really, so I?ll clean the sink, cut open a bunch of packages in it, rinse all well, and then ziplock and throw in the freezer. Quick follow up scrub of sink again, wash hands, and we?re back in business. Bacteria attacks are rare. But my wife is more concerned. So to prepare a few days worth, I?ll just throw a frying pan with a quarter to half an inch of water on the stove, bring up to a quick boil, and drop two breasts in, either defrosted or frozen solid. It?s only the surface that would carry bacteria. Hot water, or the steam from it in a covered pan kills everything in seconds. Turn over with a fork, leave a few moments, and out they go. A few minutes of cooling, and ? Seared clean raw chicken?just like the high dollar tuna item in a restaurant! The girls go NUTS!
>
> I hope this contributes to your pups? well being. It really seems to show in our girls health.
> -Peter
>
>
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>> 1. Gas attack! (Tracy Carcione)
>> 2. More distractable when the seasons change (Tracy Carcione)
>> 3. Re: More distractable when the seasons change (Tami Jarvis)
>> 4. Re: Gas attack! (Raven Tolliver)
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>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:20:42 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
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>> I've been trying Krokus on a new food, Nature's Variety Instinct Rabbit. It
>> doesn't seem to be agreeing with him; he has gas that could clear the room.
>> For some reason, it seems to get worse as the day goes on-OK in the morning,
>> deadly in the evening. I'm thinking of giving up the rabbit experiment.
>>
>> I'm wondering if it's a temporary thing that will pass as he adapts to the
>> new food, or if rabbit is just not the thing for him. My feeble old brain
>> can't recall previous experiences of this nature. Anyone have any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you hear on the news that a building near the UN was evacuated because of
>> fears of poison gas, that will be us.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:50:21 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>> Message-ID: <00b901d2173c$24074ae0$6c15e0a0$@access.net>
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>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last couple
>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring and
>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa in
>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0700
>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>> Message-ID: <1e19e1a6-c496-bd33-f7ce-8119cc2fb570 at poodlemutt.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
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>> Tracy,
>>
>> I notice that, too. Definitely, the cooler weather of fall is a real
>> pepper upper, and who knows what scents are hiding in all those leaves?
>> A good rain really brings out the aromas, requiring further
>> investigation. Then in spring when the snow melts away, it lets out all
>> sorts of new odors that have been hiding under there. That definitely
>> calls for a sniff fest! Some of the things that start to thaw out beside
>> the sidewalk are things I do *not* want to pull out of my dog's mouth,
>> but I seem to need to at least once a year. Ewww! Convincing the dog to
>> pass those things by is not easy, either.
>>
>> The funny thing is that I know this is going to happen, but it still
>> takes me by surprise. Hey! What's wrong with my dog? Oh, right. It's
>> just the season. /lol/ We work on it, and things get back to normal.
>> Until next time.
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 09/25/2016 07:50 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last couple
>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring and
>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa in
>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:12:18 -0400
>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
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>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
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>>
>> I'm not sure if you've fed him this brand of food, but it could either
>> be the rabbit protein or some other ingredient in that formula that's
>> causing tummy upset.
>> There's too many options to make him tough it out, and suffer the
>> smelly results.
>> Next food.
>> --
>> Raven
>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>> www.1am-editing.com
>>
>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>> have or what you do.
>>
>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
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> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 03:15:12 -0400
> From: "Andy B." <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
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> What do you recommend in general for on the shelf food? I.E. Blue Buffalo? Science Diet? When you give them real meat, how do you keep them from begging at dinner or sneaking when your not looking?
>
>> On Sep 27, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Peter Wolf via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I can?t weigh in about rabbit or gas. But this brings up a general food inquiry. We?ve done a lot of research. It might be nice to share generally what we?ve learned and done for good long healthy lives with dog food.
>>
>> Between my wife and me in our lifetimes, we?ve lost animals earlier than we might think is really normal for them. Or, not being as healthy as they perhaps could have been, and also, dying early of things like diabetes - which just shouldn?t be. In that case, it was the vet who suggested that carbohydrate laden food weakened and ultimately killed her. That was directed by a vet. But if you look at junky commercial food and treats sold through vet offices, it puts us back to inquiry.
>>
>> We?ve been feeding the girls good balanced organic food, that seems sensible for their animal type and metabolism. This, in (money) terms, might be the same we would have spent on medical/health issues in our dogs, possibly for premature death and high vet bills for managing breaking down dogs, becase feeding them this way is expensive. But this isn?t about money, even if what we feed them costs a lot. Most importantly, it?s that we want them to live and feel their best, and live the longest healthiest possible lives in the most wonderful shape they can.
>>
>> So we?ve done a big amount of research, to find that only some dog foods are really clean and organic. And even if so, it?s necessary to check the food labels. Companies come and go, and get bought and sold. Only the brand label on the front of the package appears the same. For example, we finally found something that was fantastic food. We used Castor and Pollux ?Organics", which was outstanding and very well balanced food?until we found out that they got bought by Purina. We switched. And recently, we read an ?Organix? ingredients label. We won?t use it again. It?s necessary to stay on top of ingredients.
>>
>> Another thing is the use of canola oil. Canola is essentially a waste oil, which would be great for machinery. But go consult Dr. Google and you may be as convinced as we have been that it doesn?t belong in food, for anybody. Canola (from the
>> ?rapeseed" plant) grows in Canada and now elsewhere. Nonetheless, unless organic it still gets the chemical treatment of other plants you wouldn?t want to eat. At one point the found that the plant blasts out of the ground like a weed so successfully in Canada, that when they found that they could press the seeds and get an abundant source of oil, they had a potential goldmine. And so they had to invent a marketing strategy. They probably figured out that they wouldn?t have much success with ?rape?, so they named it "Can-ola".
>>
>> Canola gets put into dog food, even really premium expensive ones, cyclically. That?s the same reason you?ll buy potato chips one month and it will say ?Sunflower oil?, and then later the same brand might say ?Sunflower, Canola and/or other oils??whichever supplies and costs less at that time and I?d understand as ?not sunflower?. In dog food, for one couple of months, it might be chicken fat or something else that?s ok to metabolize. Then the next time you buy a big bag of the same flavor, it might have canola. That?s why to stay on top of the labels. Did you guys know that? It?s what we've found out once we got it home.
>>
>> But this is ok, because it?s good to cycle a dog?s food. Different meats, cycled on and off every few months gives dogs? immune systems variety and adaptation. Corn, soy and wheat aren?t things dogs metabolize well, and can lead to systemic inflamation and allergies, which are a result of it. That?s in a lot of the low grade commercial foods, as is ?fish or meat meal? instead of real meat or fish. I won?t gross you out on what can be in ?meal?. Unless you want to look up the five or more definitions of ?condemned animal?.
>>
>> So many names that harken ?the wild? or such terms are great marketing. But most dog food products are all made by a few companies. And we got curious after periodic food recalls of them to begin researching. In the past couple of years, we?ve arrived at using dry food from Acana. They are made by Orijen. Same little company, two products. Orijen is super high protein. If we buy it, we mix it with Acana, because protein alone isn?t great for kidneys. That?s why we like Acana. It?s a good mix. We?ll spend a bunch of money on it, but again, we won?t be surprised if not stressing our dogs systems on junky food costs the same or less than tearfully financing chronic or acute vet bills for broken down dogs in the long term.
>>
>> Then there?s raw. We give them a little raw morning and night. It might be Primal nuggets, but more lately we?ve given them chicken or other meats/organs. Just a little is great, like one or two tablespoons worth. In one day, ?dog breath? was cured, and their breath has been sweet ever since. And their teeth and gums began looking better over a longer term of it. We think it?s about the natural enzymes in raw food.
>>
>> On cycles: We?ll do chicken when it?s in the dry food chicken cycle. That?s a couple of big bags worth. Then we?ll get them off chicken when we switch to another flavor, etc. We?ll buy packages of organic boneless chicken breast for example.
>>
>> For possible concerns about chicken bacteria from processing plants, here?s what I do for preparing a bunch at once: I?d be content just to rinse well and freeze raw chicken, but my wife likes to be sure it?s clean. Not a big deal really, so I?ll clean the sink, cut open a bunch of packages in it, rinse all well, and then ziplock and throw in the freezer. Quick follow up scrub of sink again, wash hands, and we?re back in business. Bacteria attacks are rare. But my wife is more concerned. So to prepare a few days worth, I?ll just throw a frying pan with a quarter to half an inch of water on the stove, bring up to a quick boil, and drop two breasts in, either defrosted or frozen solid. It?s only the surface that would carry bacteria. Hot water, or the steam from it in a covered pan kills everything in seconds. Turn over with a fork, leave a few moments, and out they go. A few minutes of cooling, and ? Seared clean raw chicken?just like the high dollar tuna item in a restaurant! The girls go NUTS!
>>
>> I hope this contributes to your pups? well being. It really seems to show in our girls health.
>> -Peter
>>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>>> 1. Gas attack! (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 2. More distractable when the seasons change (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 3. Re: More distractable when the seasons change (Tami Jarvis)
>>> 4. Re: Gas attack! (Raven Tolliver)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:20:42 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
>>> Message-ID: <00ac01d21737$ff758e20$fe60aa60$@access.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I've been trying Krokus on a new food, Nature's Variety Instinct Rabbit. It
>>> doesn't seem to be agreeing with him; he has gas that could clear the room.
>>> For some reason, it seems to get worse as the day goes on-OK in the morning,
>>> deadly in the evening. I'm thinking of giving up the rabbit experiment.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if it's a temporary thing that will pass as he adapts to the
>>> new food, or if rabbit is just not the thing for him. My feeble old brain
>>> can't recall previous experiences of this nature. Anyone have any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you hear on the news that a building near the UN was evacuated because of
>>> fears of poison gas, that will be us.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:50:21 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>> Message-ID: <00b901d2173c$24074ae0$6c15e0a0$@access.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last couple
>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring and
>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa in
>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0700
>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>> Message-ID: <1e19e1a6-c496-bd33-f7ce-8119cc2fb570 at poodlemutt.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> I notice that, too. Definitely, the cooler weather of fall is a real
>>> pepper upper, and who knows what scents are hiding in all those leaves?
>>> A good rain really brings out the aromas, requiring further
>>> investigation. Then in spring when the snow melts away, it lets out all
>>> sorts of new odors that have been hiding under there. That definitely
>>> calls for a sniff fest! Some of the things that start to thaw out beside
>>> the sidewalk are things I do *not* want to pull out of my dog's mouth,
>>> but I seem to need to at least once a year. Ewww! Convincing the dog to
>>> pass those things by is not easy, either.
>>>
>>> The funny thing is that I know this is going to happen, but it still
>>> takes me by surprise. Hey! What's wrong with my dog? Oh, right. It's
>>> just the season. /lol/ We work on it, and things get back to normal.
>>> Until next time.
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2016 07:50 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last couple
>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring and
>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa in
>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:12:18 -0400
>>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
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>>>
>>> I'm not sure if you've fed him this brand of food, but it could either
>>> be the rabbit protein or some other ingredient in that formula that's
>>> causing tummy upset.
>>> There's too many options to make him tough it out, and suffer the
>>> smelly results.
>>> Next food.
>>> --
>>> Raven
>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>
>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>> have or what you do.
>>>
>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 05:57:13 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
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> On real food vs. dog food, sneaking, begging and stealing...
>
> Dogs do not distinguish between dog food and real food. Their food is real.
> The invention of "dog" food is pretty recent in history, around the 1950's
> if I am remembering correctly. Before then dogs ate whatever leftovers
> there were, scraps from the butcher etc. Dog food was invented for people
> not dogs. People wanted a more convenient way to feed their dogs, so dog
> food was introduced.
>
> Begging, stealing and other nuisance behaviors are just that behaviors.
> They are learned either by active teaching, inadvertent teaching or trial
> and error with what gets results. If you are mindful of what you are
> communicating about food to your dog and only reinforce the behavior you
> want, there will be no begging or other bad behavior.
>
> Begging only occurs because it gets results. If you never reward begging,
> it simply won't happen. However food is a very significant reinforcer. It
> won't take many slip ups on your part before you have a dog who begs, so
> don't start.
>
> Create rules around food that reinforce the behavior you want. Put the raw
> food in the dog dish, or in their kennel, or on a particular mat...whatever
> works for you and stick with it. The type of food you feed doesn't create
> bad behavior. It is not reinforcing your expectations that leads to
> problems.
>
> Julie
> New lowered price on my book:
> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy B. via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 2:15 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Andy B.
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
>
> What do you recommend in general for on the shelf food? I.E. Blue Buffalo?
> Science Diet? When you give them real meat, how do you keep them from
> begging at dinner or sneaking when your not looking?
>
>> On Sep 27, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Peter Wolf via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I can?t weigh in about rabbit or gas. But this brings up a general food
>> inquiry. We?ve done a lot of research. It might be nice to share
>> generally what we?ve learned and done for good long healthy lives with dog
>> food.
>>
>> Between my wife and me in our lifetimes, we?ve lost animals earlier than
>> we might think is really normal for them. Or, not being as healthy as
>> they perhaps could have been, and also, dying early of things like
>> diabetes - which just shouldn?t be. In that case, it was the vet who
>> suggested that carbohydrate laden food weakened and ultimately killed her.
>> That was directed by a vet. But if you look at junky commercial food and
>> treats sold through vet offices, it puts us back to inquiry.
>>
>> We?ve been feeding the girls good balanced organic food, that seems
>> sensible for their animal type and metabolism. This, in (money) terms,
>> might be the same we would have spent on medical/health issues in our
>> dogs, possibly for premature death and high vet bills for managing
>> breaking down dogs, becase feeding them this way is expensive. But this
>> isn?t about money, even if what we feed them costs a lot. Most
>> importantly, it?s that we want them to live and feel their best, and live
>> the longest healthiest possible lives in the most wonderful shape they
>> can.
>>
>> So we?ve done a big amount of research, to find that only some dog foods
>> are really clean and organic. And even if so, it?s necessary to check the
>> food labels. Companies come and go, and get bought and sold. Only the
>> brand label on the front of the package appears the same. For example, we
>> finally found something that was fantastic food. We used Castor and
>> Pollux ?Organics", which was outstanding and very well balanced food?until
>> we found out that they got bought by Purina. We switched. And recently,
>> we read an ?Organix? ingredients label. We won?t use it again. It?s
>> necessary to stay on top of ingredients.
>>
>> Another thing is the use of canola oil. Canola is essentially a waste
>> oil, which would be great for machinery. But go consult Dr. Google and
>> you may be as convinced as we have been that it doesn?t belong in food,
>> for anybody. Canola (from the
>> ?rapeseed" plant) grows in Canada and now elsewhere. Nonetheless, unless
>> organic it still gets the chemical treatment of other plants you wouldn?t
>> want to eat. At one point the found that the plant blasts out of the
>> ground like a weed so successfully in Canada, that when they found that
>> they could press the seeds and get an abundant source of oil, they had a
>> potential goldmine. And so they had to invent a marketing strategy. They
>> probably figured out that they wouldn?t have much success with ?rape?, so
>> they named it "Can-ola".
>>
>> Canola gets put into dog food, even really premium expensive ones,
>> cyclically. That?s the same reason you?ll buy potato chips one month and
>> it will say ?Sunflower oil?, and then later the same brand might say
>> ?Sunflower, Canola and/or other oils??whichever supplies and costs less at
>> that time and I?d understand as ?not sunflower?. In dog food, for one
>> couple of months, it might be chicken fat or something else that?s ok to
>> metabolize. Then the next time you buy a big bag of the same flavor, it
>> might have canola. That?s why to stay on top of the labels. Did you guys
>> know that? It?s what we've found out once we got it home.
>>
>> But this is ok, because it?s good to cycle a dog?s food. Different meats,
>> cycled on and off every few months gives dogs? immune systems variety and
>> adaptation. Corn, soy and wheat aren?t things dogs metabolize well, and
>> can lead to systemic inflamation and allergies, which are a result of it.
>> That?s in a lot of the low grade commercial foods, as is ?fish or meat
>> meal? instead of real meat or fish. I won?t gross you out on what can be
>> in ?meal?. Unless you want to look up the five or more definitions of
>> ?condemned animal?.
>>
>> So many names that harken ?the wild? or such terms are great marketing.
>> But most dog food products are all made by a few companies. And we got
>> curious after periodic food recalls of them to begin researching. In the
>> past couple of years, we?ve arrived at using dry food from Acana. They
>> are made by Orijen. Same little company, two products. Orijen is super
>> high protein. If we buy it, we mix it with Acana, because protein alone
>> isn?t great for kidneys. That?s why we like Acana. It?s a good mix. We?ll
>> spend a bunch of money on it, but again, we won?t be surprised if not
>> stressing our dogs systems on junky food costs the same or less than
>> tearfully financing chronic or acute vet bills for broken down dogs in the
>> long term.
>>
>> Then there?s raw. We give them a little raw morning and night. It might
>> be Primal nuggets, but more lately we?ve given them chicken or other
>> meats/organs. Just a little is great, like one or two tablespoons worth.
>> In one day, ?dog breath? was cured, and their breath has been sweet ever
>> since. And their teeth and gums began looking better over a longer term
>> of it. We think it?s about the natural enzymes in raw food.
>>
>> On cycles: We?ll do chicken when it?s in the dry food chicken cycle.
>> That?s a couple of big bags worth. Then we?ll get them off chicken when
>> we switch to another flavor, etc. We?ll buy packages of organic boneless
>> chicken breast for example.
>>
>> For possible concerns about chicken bacteria from processing plants, here?s
>> what I do for preparing a bunch at once: I?d be content just to rinse
>> well and freeze raw chicken, but my wife likes to be sure it?s clean. Not
>> a big deal really, so I?ll clean the sink, cut open a bunch of packages in
>> it, rinse all well, and then ziplock and throw in the freezer. Quick
>> follow up scrub of sink again, wash hands, and we?re back in business.
>> Bacteria attacks are rare. But my wife is more concerned. So to prepare
>> a few days worth, I?ll just throw a frying pan with a quarter to half an
>> inch of water on the stove, bring up to a quick boil, and drop two breasts
>> in, either defrosted or frozen solid. It?s only the surface that would
>> carry bacteria. Hot water, or the steam from it in a covered pan kills
>> everything in seconds. Turn over with a fork, leave a few moments, and out
>> they go. A few minutes of cooling, and ? Seared clean raw
>> chicken?just like the high dollar tuna item in a restaurant! The girls go
>> NUTS!
>>
>> I hope this contributes to your pups? well being. It really seems to show
>> in our girls health.
>> -Peter
>>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>>> 1. Gas attack! (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 2. More distractable when the seasons change (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 3. Re: More distractable when the seasons change (Tami Jarvis)
>>> 4. Re: Gas attack! (Raven Tolliver)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:20:42 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
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>>> I've been trying Krokus on a new food, Nature's Variety Instinct Rabbit.
>>> It
>>> doesn't seem to be agreeing with him; he has gas that could clear the
>>> room.
>>> For some reason, it seems to get worse as the day goes on-OK in the
>>> morning,
>>> deadly in the evening. I'm thinking of giving up the rabbit experiment.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if it's a temporary thing that will pass as he adapts to
>>> the
>>> new food, or if rabbit is just not the thing for him. My feeble old
>>> brain
>>> can't recall previous experiences of this nature. Anyone have any
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you hear on the news that a building near the UN was evacuated because
>>> of
>>> fears of poison gas, that will be us.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:50:21 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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>>> Subject: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
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>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
>>> couple
>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
>>> and
>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
>>> in
>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0700
>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
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>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> I notice that, too. Definitely, the cooler weather of fall is a real
>>> pepper upper, and who knows what scents are hiding in all those leaves?
>>> A good rain really brings out the aromas, requiring further
>>> investigation. Then in spring when the snow melts away, it lets out all
>>> sorts of new odors that have been hiding under there. That definitely
>>> calls for a sniff fest! Some of the things that start to thaw out beside
>>> the sidewalk are things I do *not* want to pull out of my dog's mouth,
>>> but I seem to need to at least once a year. Ewww! Convincing the dog to
>>> pass those things by is not easy, either.
>>>
>>> The funny thing is that I know this is going to happen, but it still
>>> takes me by surprise. Hey! What's wrong with my dog? Oh, right. It's
>>> just the season. /lol/ We work on it, and things get back to normal.
>>> Until next time.
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2016 07:50 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
>>>> couple
>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
>>>> and
>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
>>>> in
>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
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>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:12:18 -0400
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>>> I'm not sure if you've fed him this brand of food, but it could either
>>> be the rabbit protein or some other ingredient in that formula that's
>>> causing tummy upset.
>>> There's too many options to make him tough it out, and suffer the
>>> smelly results.
>>> Next food.
>>> --
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>>> have or what you do.
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