[NAGDU] Making a dog vomit
The Pawpower Pack
pawpower4me at gmail.com
Wed Sep 28 19:43:38 UTC 2016
With this method, it is important that the peroxide be fairly fresh, unopened or recently opened.
Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
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> On Sep 28, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I tried the peroxide method twice, back when the mad Krokus puppy was eating
> everything he saw. It worked once, but not the next time, so we had to
> scurry off to the emergency vet.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 6:15 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Peter Wolf
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 138, Issue 19
>
> Marsha, what is your puppy's name and breed? It helps aim prayers to "see"
> you. Prayers to you both.
>
> For all of us, the following carries a mixed opinion, what to do if we catch
> something bad swallowed in time. We should all know about this. I'm not a
> vet and and this is not advice. It is vet advice that (I) took successfully
> to help my own dog once. Please go read up on it or check out u-tubes from
> vets that are out there, and make your own decisions because there is also
> risk.
>
> My dog once ate nuts toxic to a dog. The vet recommended a teaspoon of
> normal 3% peroxide, right down the throat to induce vomiting. She began a
> series of vomiting, up to several times starting within 15 to 40 seconds.
> It lasted a couple of minutes, and then was clear. This empties things out
> of the stomach immediately, if, it is soon enough and so the target
> substance is still in the stomach.
>
> Warning, vomiting can't be done with caustics; that's even worse. And note
> the general risk. The dog can aspirate vomit, which is inhaling vomit -
> essentially pneumonia. That is bad. Real bad. We can't control
> everything, but reasonably, I felt that if I could control her body
> position, it would keep things right. I alternated kneeling and holding her
> up, or stradled her, and held her upright, standing, head forward and down
> in a natural vomiting position, until I knew she was through. It worked
> well, we watched her for a while, and we ended up not even going to the vet.
>
>
> Take care,
> Peter
>
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>> 1. prayers needed please (Marsha Drenth)
>> 2. Re: prayers needed please (Donna St. John)
>> 3. Re: prayers needed please (Becky Frankeberger)
>> 4. Distractions (Rachel Grider)
>> 5. Re: Distractions (lkeeler at comcast.net)
>> 6. Re: Distractions (Daryl Marie)
>> 7. Re: Distractions (lkeeler at comcast.net)
>> 8. Re: prayers needed please (Lisie Foster)
>> 9. Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life (Peter Wolf)
>> 10. Re: Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life (Andy B.)
>> 11. Re: Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life (Julie J.)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 12:53:08 -0400
>> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
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>> Please pray, send positive thoughts and love to my puppy. we are on
> vacation and had left puppy with a family who also loves dogs. This morning
> my puppy got into a bag of dark semi sweet chocolate and a bag of pretzels.
> It was a large amount of chocolate about 12oz. The family watching her saw
> it right away, and took her to the nearest animal hospital. Puppy is not
> doing well. but its now a wait and see thing. I am so nervous that this will
> end her working career. Please pray for my puppy.
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my iPhone.
> As such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate errors.
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:34:08 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: "Donna St. John" <furkids4me at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
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>>
>>
>> Hello Marsha
>>
>> My thoughts and prayers are with you and your puppy girl.I hoe she makes a
> speedy recovery.? Please keep us allposted.
>> Donna and Elsa
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:10:31 -0700
>> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
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>> Marsha, praying. Warm hugs to you,
>>
>> Becky and Jake
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
> via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:53 AM
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>> Cc: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
>>
>> Please pray, send positive thoughts and love to my puppy. we are on
> vacation
>> and had left puppy with a family who also loves dogs. This morning my
> puppy
>> got into a bag of dark semi sweet chocolate and a bag of pretzels. It was
> a
>> large amount of chocolate about 12oz. The family watching her saw it right
>> away, and took her to the nearest animal hospital. Puppy is not doing
> well.
>> but its now a wait and see thing. I am so nervous that this will end her
>> working career. Please pray for my puppy.
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my iPhone.
> As
>> such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate errors.
>> Please do not be hesitant to ask for clarification as necessary.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:45:35 -0700
>> From: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi, Guys:
>>
>> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
>> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>>
>> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
>> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
>> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
>> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
>> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
>> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
>> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
>> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
>> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
>> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
>> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
>> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
>> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
>> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
>> well.
>>
>> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
>> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
>> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
>> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
>> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
>> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
>> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
>> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
>> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
>> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
>> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
>> improving.
>>
>> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
>> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:41:04 -0400
>> From: <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
>> Message-ID: <380E332F630A408F838B3DFDF1789DB2 at LarryPC>
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>>
>> Have fun! Holly thinks tis the season! She starts sniffing just about
>> everything! After a couple of weeks, she'll slow down the sniffing but, in
>
>> the meantime, lots of corrections!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 7:45 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rachel Grider
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>>
>> Hi, Guys:
>>
>> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
>> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>>
>> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
>> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
>> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
>> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
>> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
>> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
>> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
>> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
>> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
>> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
>> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
>> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
>> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
>> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
>> well.
>>
>> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
>> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
>> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
>> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
>> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
>> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
>> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
>> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
>> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
>> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
>> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
>> improving.
>>
>> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
>> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Rachel
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:11:07 -0600 (MDT)
>> From: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
>> Message-ID: <1703268491.67488761.1474938667823.JavaMail.root at shaw.ca>
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>>
>> Great work! that's awesome! :)
>> I am sure there is something to the season change, though my guide has
> seasonal allergies that make her a little edgier than she otherwise would
> be... so I don't discount the season change = distraction. But keep up the
> great work!
>>
>> We had another service dog get on the bus today. They were both a little
> excited to see each other (Jenny let out a little happy whimper, and his
> tail started wagging like crazy), but above all they both listened and left
> each other alone. :)
>>
>> WINNER!
>>
>> Daryl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:45:35 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>>
>> Hi, Guys:
>>
>> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
>> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>>
>> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
>> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
>> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
>> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
>> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
>> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
>> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
>> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
>> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
>> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
>> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
>> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
>> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
>> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
>> well.
>>
>> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
>> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
>> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
>> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
>> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
>> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
>> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
>> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
>> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
>> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
>> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
>> improving.
>>
>> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
>> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Rachel
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:09:33 -0400
>> From: <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
>> Message-ID: <9EDC43E711E24E649E0A3A84574BB185 at LarryPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Holly routinely runs into other service dogs. She often wags the body but
>> usually behaves herself.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daryl Marie via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:11 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Daryl Marie
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
>>
>> Great work! that's awesome! :)
>> I am sure there is something to the season change, though my guide has
>> seasonal allergies that make her a little edgier than she otherwise would
>> be... so I don't discount the season change = distraction. But keep up the
>
>> great work!
>>
>> We had another service dog get on the bus today. They were both a little
>> excited to see each other (Jenny let out a little happy whimper, and his
>> tail started wagging like crazy), but above all they both listened and
> left
>> each other alone. :)
>>
>> WINNER!
>>
>> Daryl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:45:35 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>>
>> Hi, Guys:
>>
>> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
>> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>>
>> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
>> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
>> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
>> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
>> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
>> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
>> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
>> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
>> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
>> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
>> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
>> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
>> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
>> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
>> well.
>>
>> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
>> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
>> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
>> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
>> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
>> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
>> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
>> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
>> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
>> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
>> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
>> improving.
>>
>> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
>> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Rachel
>>
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>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 01:04:23 -0400
>> From: Lisie Foster <lisiefoster at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
>> Message-ID: <ABD6723F-BD96-40C4-BBB2-91C6D843338E at yahoo.com>
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>> Sending many prayers to your dog and to you, Marsha. How hard that would
> be to be away and find out something like that had happened. I'm glad the
> family she was staying with saw right away what happened. I hope so much
> that your pup will be OK! Much love to you both.
>>
>>
>> Lisie and Sundance
>> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Please excuse the mess I may have made of this email. I am learning to use
> VoiceOver and we are NOT friends.
>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Marsha Drenth via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please pray, send positive thoughts and love to my puppy.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 23:47:03 -0700
>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
>> Message-ID: <68BE7403-88B6-4F90-8E38-0EDE4C90B4F8 at wolfskills.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> I can?t weigh in about rabbit or gas. But this brings up a general food
> inquiry. We?ve done a lot of research. It might be nice to share
> generally what we?ve learned and done for good long healthy lives with dog
> food.
>>
>> Between my wife and me in our lifetimes, we?ve lost animals earlier than
> we might think is really normal for them. Or, not being as healthy as they
> perhaps could have been, and also, dying early of things like diabetes -
> which just shouldn?t be. In that case, it was the vet who suggested that
> carbohydrate laden food weakened and ultimately killed her. That was
> directed by a vet. But if you look at junky commercial food and treats sold
> through vet offices, it puts us back to inquiry.
>>
>> We?ve been feeding the girls good balanced organic food, that seems
> sensible for their animal type and metabolism. This, in (money) terms,
> might be the same we would have spent on medical/health issues in our dogs,
> possibly for premature death and high vet bills for managing breaking down
> dogs, becase feeding them this way is expensive. But this isn?t about
> money, even if what we feed them costs a lot. Most importantly, it?s that
> we want them to live and feel their best, and live the longest healthiest
> possible lives in the most wonderful shape they can.
>>
>> So we?ve done a big amount of research, to find that only some dog foods
> are really clean and organic. And even if so, it?s necessary to check the
> food labels. Companies come and go, and get bought and sold. Only the
> brand label on the front of the package appears the same. For example, we
> finally found something that was fantastic food. We used Castor and Pollux
> ?Organics", which was outstanding and very well balanced food?until we found
> out that they got bought by Purina. We switched. And recently, we read an
> ?Organix? ingredients label. We won?t use it again. It?s necessary to stay
> on top of ingredients.
>>
>> Another thing is the use of canola oil. Canola is essentially a waste
> oil, which would be great for machinery. But go consult Dr. Google and you
> may be as convinced as we have been that it doesn?t belong in food, for
> anybody. Canola (from the
>> ?rapeseed" plant) grows in Canada and now elsewhere. Nonetheless, unless
> organic it still gets the chemical treatment of other plants you wouldn?t
> want to eat. At one point the found that the plant blasts out of the ground
> like a weed so successfully in Canada, that when they found that they could
> press the seeds and get an abundant source of oil, they had a potential
> goldmine. And so they had to invent a marketing strategy. They probably
> figured out that they wouldn?t have much success with ?rape?, so they named
> it "Can-ola".
>>
>> Canola gets put into dog food, even really premium expensive ones,
> cyclically. That?s the same reason you?ll buy potato chips one month and it
> will say ?Sunflower oil?, and then later the same brand might say
> ?Sunflower, Canola and/or other oils??whichever supplies and costs less at
> that time and I?d understand as ?not sunflower?. In dog food, for one
> couple of months, it might be chicken fat or something else that?s ok to
> metabolize. Then the next time you buy a big bag of the same flavor, it
> might have canola. That?s why to stay on top of the labels. Did you guys
> know that? It?s what we've found out once we got it home.
>>
>> But this is ok, because it?s good to cycle a dog?s food. Different meats,
> cycled on and off every few months gives dogs? immune systems variety and
> adaptation. Corn, soy and wheat aren?t things dogs metabolize well, and can
> lead to systemic inflamation and allergies, which are a result of it.
> That?s in a lot of the low grade commercial foods, as is ?fish or meat meal?
> instead of real meat or fish. I won?t gross you out on what can be in
> ?meal?. Unless you want to look up the five or more definitions of
> ?condemned animal?.
>>
>> So many names that harken ?the wild? or such terms are great marketing.
> But most dog food products are all made by a few companies. And we got
> curious after periodic food recalls of them to begin researching. In the
> past couple of years, we?ve arrived at using dry food from Acana. They are
> made by Orijen. Same little company, two products. Orijen is super high
> protein. If we buy it, we mix it with Acana, because protein alone isn?t
> great for kidneys. That?s why we like Acana. It?s a good mix. We?ll spend
> a bunch of money on it, but again, we won?t be surprised if not stressing
> our dogs systems on junky food costs the same or less than tearfully
> financing chronic or acute vet bills for broken down dogs in the long term.
>
>>
>> Then there?s raw. We give them a little raw morning and night. It might
> be Primal nuggets, but more lately we?ve given them chicken or other
> meats/organs. Just a little is great, like one or two tablespoons worth.
> In one day, ?dog breath? was cured, and their breath has been sweet ever
> since. And their teeth and gums began looking better over a longer term of
> it. We think it?s about the natural enzymes in raw food.
>>
>> On cycles: We?ll do chicken when it?s in the dry food chicken cycle.
> That?s a couple of big bags worth. Then we?ll get them off chicken when we
> switch to another flavor, etc. We?ll buy packages of organic boneless
> chicken breast for example.
>>
>> For possible concerns about chicken bacteria from processing plants,
> here?s what I do for preparing a bunch at once: I?d be content just to
> rinse well and freeze raw chicken, but my wife likes to be sure it?s clean.
> Not a big deal really, so I?ll clean the sink, cut open a bunch of packages
> in it, rinse all well, and then ziplock and throw in the freezer. Quick
> follow up scrub of sink again, wash hands, and we?re back in business.
> Bacteria attacks are rare. But my wife is more concerned. So to prepare a
> few days worth, I?ll just throw a frying pan with a quarter to half an inch
> of water on the stove, bring up to a quick boil, and drop two breasts in,
> either defrosted or frozen solid. It?s only the surface that would carry
> bacteria. Hot water, or the steam from it in a covered pan kills everything
> in seconds. Turn over with a fork, leave a few moments, and out they go.
> A few minutes of cooling, and ? Seared clean raw chicken?just like the high
> dollar tuna item in a restaurant! The girls go NUTS!
>>
>> I hope this contributes to your pups? well being. It really seems to show
> in our girls health.
>> -Peter
>>
>>
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>>> 1. Gas attack! (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 2. More distractable when the seasons change (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 3. Re: More distractable when the seasons change (Tami Jarvis)
>>> 4. Re: Gas attack! (Raven Tolliver)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:20:42 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
>>> Message-ID: <00ac01d21737$ff758e20$fe60aa60$@access.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I've been trying Krokus on a new food, Nature's Variety Instinct Rabbit.
> It
>>> doesn't seem to be agreeing with him; he has gas that could clear the
> room.
>>> For some reason, it seems to get worse as the day goes on-OK in the
> morning,
>>> deadly in the evening. I'm thinking of giving up the rabbit experiment.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if it's a temporary thing that will pass as he adapts to
> the
>>> new food, or if rabbit is just not the thing for him. My feeble old
> brain
>>> can't recall previous experiences of this nature. Anyone have any
> thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you hear on the news that a building near the UN was evacuated because
> of
>>> fears of poison gas, that will be us.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:50:21 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>> Message-ID: <00b901d2173c$24074ae0$6c15e0a0$@access.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
> couple
>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
> and
>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
> in
>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0700
>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>> Message-ID: <1e19e1a6-c496-bd33-f7ce-8119cc2fb570 at poodlemutt.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> I notice that, too. Definitely, the cooler weather of fall is a real
>>> pepper upper, and who knows what scents are hiding in all those leaves?
>>> A good rain really brings out the aromas, requiring further
>>> investigation. Then in spring when the snow melts away, it lets out all
>>> sorts of new odors that have been hiding under there. That definitely
>>> calls for a sniff fest! Some of the things that start to thaw out beside
>>> the sidewalk are things I do *not* want to pull out of my dog's mouth,
>>> but I seem to need to at least once a year. Ewww! Convincing the dog to
>>> pass those things by is not easy, either.
>>>
>>> The funny thing is that I know this is going to happen, but it still
>>> takes me by surprise. Hey! What's wrong with my dog? Oh, right. It's
>>> just the season. /lol/ We work on it, and things get back to normal.
>>> Until next time.
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>>> On 09/25/2016 07:50 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
> couple
>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
> and
>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
> in
>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:12:18 -0400
>>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
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>>>
>>> I'm not sure if you've fed him this brand of food, but it could either
>>> be the rabbit protein or some other ingredient in that formula that's
>>> causing tummy upset.
>>> There's too many options to make him tough it out, and suffer the
>>> smelly results.
>>> Next food.
>>> --
>>> Raven
>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>
>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>> have or what you do.
>>>
>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 03:15:12 -0400
>> From: "Andy B." <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
>> Message-ID: <9C8563CD-AD80-46D3-B42C-FC378836D59E at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> What do you recommend in general for on the shelf food? I.E. Blue Buffalo?
> Science Diet? When you give them real meat, how do you keep them from
> begging at dinner or sneaking when your not looking?
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Peter Wolf via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can?t weigh in about rabbit or gas. But this brings up a general food
> inquiry. We?ve done a lot of research. It might be nice to share
> generally what we?ve learned and done for good long healthy lives with dog
> food.
>>>
>>> Between my wife and me in our lifetimes, we?ve lost animals earlier than
> we might think is really normal for them. Or, not being as healthy as they
> perhaps could have been, and also, dying early of things like diabetes -
> which just shouldn?t be. In that case, it was the vet who suggested that
> carbohydrate laden food weakened and ultimately killed her. That was
> directed by a vet. But if you look at junky commercial food and treats sold
> through vet offices, it puts us back to inquiry.
>>>
>>> We?ve been feeding the girls good balanced organic food, that seems
> sensible for their animal type and metabolism. This, in (money) terms,
> might be the same we would have spent on medical/health issues in our dogs,
> possibly for premature death and high vet bills for managing breaking down
> dogs, becase feeding them this way is expensive. But this isn?t about
> money, even if what we feed them costs a lot. Most importantly, it?s that
> we want them to live and feel their best, and live the longest healthiest
> possible lives in the most wonderful shape they can.
>>>
>>> So we?ve done a big amount of research, to find that only some dog foods
> are really clean and organic. And even if so, it?s necessary to check the
> food labels. Companies come and go, and get bought and sold. Only the
> brand label on the front of the package appears the same. For example, we
> finally found something that was fantastic food. We used Castor and Pollux
> ?Organics", which was outstanding and very well balanced food?until we found
> out that they got bought by Purina. We switched. And recently, we read an
> ?Organix? ingredients label. We won?t use it again. It?s necessary to stay
> on top of ingredients.
>>>
>>> Another thing is the use of canola oil. Canola is essentially a waste
> oil, which would be great for machinery. But go consult Dr. Google and you
> may be as convinced as we have been that it doesn?t belong in food, for
> anybody. Canola (from the
>>> ?rapeseed" plant) grows in Canada and now elsewhere. Nonetheless, unless
> organic it still gets the chemical treatment of other plants you wouldn?t
> want to eat. At one point the found that the plant blasts out of the ground
> like a weed so successfully in Canada, that when they found that they could
> press the seeds and get an abundant source of oil, they had a potential
> goldmine. And so they had to invent a marketing strategy. They probably
> figured out that they wouldn?t have much success with ?rape?, so they named
> it "Can-ola".
>>>
>>> Canola gets put into dog food, even really premium expensive ones,
> cyclically. That?s the same reason you?ll buy potato chips one month and it
> will say ?Sunflower oil?, and then later the same brand might say
> ?Sunflower, Canola and/or other oils??whichever supplies and costs less at
> that time and I?d understand as ?not sunflower?. In dog food, for one
> couple of months, it might be chicken fat or something else that?s ok to
> metabolize. Then the next time you buy a big bag of the same flavor, it
> might have canola. That?s why to stay on top of the labels. Did you guys
> know that? It?s what we've found out once we got it home.
>>>
>>> But this is ok, because it?s good to cycle a dog?s food. Different
> meats, cycled on and off every few months gives dogs? immune systems variety
> and adaptation. Corn, soy and wheat aren?t things dogs metabolize well, and
> can lead to systemic inflamation and allergies, which are a result of it.
> That?s in a lot of the low grade commercial foods, as is ?fish or meat meal?
> instead of real meat or fish. I won?t gross you out on what can be in
> ?meal?. Unless you want to look up the five or more definitions of
> ?condemned animal?.
>>>
>>> So many names that harken ?the wild? or such terms are great marketing.
> But most dog food products are all made by a few companies. And we got
> curious after periodic food recalls of them to begin researching. In the
> past couple of years, we?ve arrived at using dry food from Acana. They are
> made by Orijen. Same little company, two products. Orijen is super high
> protein. If we buy it, we mix it with Acana, because protein alone isn?t
> great for kidneys. That?s why we like Acana. It?s a good mix. We?ll spend
> a bunch of money on it, but again, we won?t be surprised if not stressing
> our dogs systems on junky food costs the same or less than tearfully
> financing chronic or acute vet bills for broken down dogs in the long term.
>
>>>
>>> Then there?s raw. We give them a little raw morning and night. It might
> be Primal nuggets, but more lately we?ve given them chicken or other
> meats/organs. Just a little is great, like one or two tablespoons worth.
> In one day, ?dog breath? was cured, and their breath has been sweet ever
> since. And their teeth and gums began looking better over a longer term of
> it. We think it?s about the natural enzymes in raw food.
>>>
>>> On cycles: We?ll do chicken when it?s in the dry food chicken cycle.
> That?s a couple of big bags worth. Then we?ll get them off chicken when we
> switch to another flavor, etc. We?ll buy packages of organic boneless
> chicken breast for example.
>>>
>>> For possible concerns about chicken bacteria from processing plants,
> here?s what I do for preparing a bunch at once: I?d be content just to
> rinse well and freeze raw chicken, but my wife likes to be sure it?s clean.
> Not a big deal really, so I?ll clean the sink, cut open a bunch of packages
> in it, rinse all well, and then ziplock and throw in the freezer. Quick
> follow up scrub of sink again, wash hands, and we?re back in business.
> Bacteria attacks are rare. But my wife is more concerned. So to prepare a
> few days worth, I?ll just throw a frying pan with a quarter to half an inch
> of water on the stove, bring up to a quick boil, and drop two breasts in,
> either defrosted or frozen solid. It?s only the surface that would carry
> bacteria. Hot water, or the steam from it in a covered pan kills everything
> in seconds. Turn over with a fork, leave a few moments, and out they go.
> A few minutes of cooling, and ? Seared clean raw chicken?just like the high
> dollar tuna item in a restaurant! The girls go NUTS!
>>>
>>> I hope this contributes to your pups? well being. It really seems to
> show in our girls health.
>>> -Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> 1. Gas attack! (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 2. More distractable when the seasons change (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 3. Re: More distractable when the seasons change (Tami Jarvis)
>>>> 4. Re: Gas attack! (Raven Tolliver)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:20:42 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
>>>> Message-ID: <00ac01d21737$ff758e20$fe60aa60$@access.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying Krokus on a new food, Nature's Variety Instinct Rabbit.
> It
>>>> doesn't seem to be agreeing with him; he has gas that could clear the
> room.
>>>> For some reason, it seems to get worse as the day goes on-OK in the
> morning,
>>>> deadly in the evening. I'm thinking of giving up the rabbit experiment.
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if it's a temporary thing that will pass as he adapts to
> the
>>>> new food, or if rabbit is just not the thing for him. My feeble old
> brain
>>>> can't recall previous experiences of this nature. Anyone have any
> thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you hear on the news that a building near the UN was evacuated
> because of
>>>> fears of poison gas, that will be us.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:50:21 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>>> Message-ID: <00b901d2173c$24074ae0$6c15e0a0$@access.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
> couple
>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
> and
>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
> in
>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0700
>>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>>> Message-ID: <1e19e1a6-c496-bd33-f7ce-8119cc2fb570 at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> I notice that, too. Definitely, the cooler weather of fall is a real
>>>> pepper upper, and who knows what scents are hiding in all those leaves?
>>>> A good rain really brings out the aromas, requiring further
>>>> investigation. Then in spring when the snow melts away, it lets out all
>>>> sorts of new odors that have been hiding under there. That definitely
>>>> calls for a sniff fest! Some of the things that start to thaw out beside
>
>>>> the sidewalk are things I do *not* want to pull out of my dog's mouth,
>>>> but I seem to need to at least once a year. Ewww! Convincing the dog to
>>>> pass those things by is not easy, either.
>>>>
>>>> The funny thing is that I know this is going to happen, but it still
>>>> takes me by surprise. Hey! What's wrong with my dog? Oh, right. It's
>>>> just the season. /lol/ We work on it, and things get back to normal.
>>>> Until next time.
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/25/2016 07:50 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
> couple
>>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
> and
>>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice
> versa in
>>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:12:18 -0400
>>>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CACQ+kov3z7Gk0-33CFOT+kGaR+RGtWOx61R8t4=krj6BYO8W9Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if you've fed him this brand of food, but it could either
>>>> be the rabbit protein or some other ingredient in that formula that's
>>>> causing tummy upset.
>>>> There's too many options to make him tough it out, and suffer the
>>>> smelly results.
>>>> Next food.
>>>> --
>>>> Raven
>>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>>
>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>>> have or what you do.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Digest Footer
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>>>> **************************************
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>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 05:57:13 -0500
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
>> Message-ID: <108100582C204A6D9654BAED89A2050C at JuliePC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> On real food vs. dog food, sneaking, begging and stealing...
>>
>> Dogs do not distinguish between dog food and real food. Their food is
> real.
>> The invention of "dog" food is pretty recent in history, around the 1950's
>
>> if I am remembering correctly. Before then dogs ate whatever leftovers
>> there were, scraps from the butcher etc. Dog food was invented for people
>
>> not dogs. People wanted a more convenient way to feed their dogs, so dog
>> food was introduced.
>>
>> Begging, stealing and other nuisance behaviors are just that behaviors.
>> They are learned either by active teaching, inadvertent teaching or trial
>> and error with what gets results. If you are mindful of what you are
>> communicating about food to your dog and only reinforce the behavior you
>> want, there will be no begging or other bad behavior.
>>
>> Begging only occurs because it gets results. If you never reward begging,
>
>> it simply won't happen. However food is a very significant reinforcer.
> It
>> won't take many slip ups on your part before you have a dog who begs, so
>> don't start.
>>
>> Create rules around food that reinforce the behavior you want. Put the
> raw
>> food in the dog dish, or in their kennel, or on a particular
> mat...whatever
>> works for you and stick with it. The type of food you feed doesn't create
>
>> bad behavior. It is not reinforcing your expectations that leads to
>> problems.
>>
>> Julie
>> New lowered price on my book:
>> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy B. via NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 2:15 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Andy B.
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
>>
>> What do you recommend in general for on the shelf food? I.E. Blue Buffalo?
>
>> Science Diet? When you give them real meat, how do you keep them from
>> begging at dinner or sneaking when your not looking?
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Peter Wolf via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can?t weigh in about rabbit or gas. But this brings up a general food
>>> inquiry. We?ve done a lot of research. It might be nice to share
>>> generally what we?ve learned and done for good long healthy lives with
> dog
>>> food.
>>>
>>> Between my wife and me in our lifetimes, we?ve lost animals earlier than
>>> we might think is really normal for them. Or, not being as healthy as
>>> they perhaps could have been, and also, dying early of things like
>>> diabetes - which just shouldn?t be. In that case, it was the vet who
>>> suggested that carbohydrate laden food weakened and ultimately killed
> her.
>>> That was directed by a vet. But if you look at junky commercial food and
>
>>> treats sold through vet offices, it puts us back to inquiry.
>>>
>>> We?ve been feeding the girls good balanced organic food, that seems
>>> sensible for their animal type and metabolism. This, in (money) terms,
>>> might be the same we would have spent on medical/health issues in our
>>> dogs, possibly for premature death and high vet bills for managing
>>> breaking down dogs, becase feeding them this way is expensive. But this
>>> isn?t about money, even if what we feed them costs a lot. Most
>>> importantly, it?s that we want them to live and feel their best, and live
>
>>> the longest healthiest possible lives in the most wonderful shape they
>>> can.
>>>
>>> So we?ve done a big amount of research, to find that only some dog foods
>>> are really clean and organic. And even if so, it?s necessary to check
> the
>>> food labels. Companies come and go, and get bought and sold. Only the
>>> brand label on the front of the package appears the same. For example,
> we
>>> finally found something that was fantastic food. We used Castor and
>>> Pollux ?Organics", which was outstanding and very well balanced
> food?until
>>> we found out that they got bought by Purina. We switched. And
> recently,
>>> we read an ?Organix? ingredients label. We won?t use it again. It?s
>>> necessary to stay on top of ingredients.
>>>
>>> Another thing is the use of canola oil. Canola is essentially a waste
>>> oil, which would be great for machinery. But go consult Dr. Google and
>>> you may be as convinced as we have been that it doesn?t belong in food,
>>> for anybody. Canola (from the
>>> ?rapeseed" plant) grows in Canada and now elsewhere. Nonetheless, unless
>
>>> organic it still gets the chemical treatment of other plants you wouldn?t
>
>>> want to eat. At one point the found that the plant blasts out of the
>>> ground like a weed so successfully in Canada, that when they found that
>>> they could press the seeds and get an abundant source of oil, they had a
>>> potential goldmine. And so they had to invent a marketing strategy.
> They
>>> probably figured out that they wouldn?t have much success with ?rape?, so
>
>>> they named it "Can-ola".
>>>
>>> Canola gets put into dog food, even really premium expensive ones,
>>> cyclically. That?s the same reason you?ll buy potato chips one month and
>
>>> it will say ?Sunflower oil?, and then later the same brand might say
>>> ?Sunflower, Canola and/or other oils??whichever supplies and costs less
> at
>>> that time and I?d understand as ?not sunflower?. In dog food, for one
>>> couple of months, it might be chicken fat or something else that?s ok to
>>> metabolize. Then the next time you buy a big bag of the same flavor, it
>>> might have canola. That?s why to stay on top of the labels. Did you
> guys
>>> know that? It?s what we've found out once we got it home.
>>>
>>> But this is ok, because it?s good to cycle a dog?s food. Different
> meats,
>>> cycled on and off every few months gives dogs? immune systems variety and
>
>>> adaptation. Corn, soy and wheat aren?t things dogs metabolize well, and
>>> can lead to systemic inflamation and allergies, which are a result of it.
>
>>> That?s in a lot of the low grade commercial foods, as is ?fish or meat
>>> meal? instead of real meat or fish. I won?t gross you out on what can be
>
>>> in ?meal?. Unless you want to look up the five or more definitions of
>>> ?condemned animal?.
>>>
>>> So many names that harken ?the wild? or such terms are great marketing.
>>> But most dog food products are all made by a few companies. And we got
>>> curious after periodic food recalls of them to begin researching. In
> the
>>> past couple of years, we?ve arrived at using dry food from Acana. They
>>> are made by Orijen. Same little company, two products. Orijen is super
>>> high protein. If we buy it, we mix it with Acana, because protein alone
>>> isn?t great for kidneys. That?s why we like Acana. It?s a good mix.
> We?ll
>>> spend a bunch of money on it, but again, we won?t be surprised if not
>>> stressing our dogs systems on junky food costs the same or less than
>>> tearfully financing chronic or acute vet bills for broken down dogs in
> the
>>> long term.
>>>
>>> Then there?s raw. We give them a little raw morning and night. It might
>
>>> be Primal nuggets, but more lately we?ve given them chicken or other
>>> meats/organs. Just a little is great, like one or two tablespoons worth.
>
>>> In one day, ?dog breath? was cured, and their breath has been sweet ever
>>> since. And their teeth and gums began looking better over a longer term
>>> of it. We think it?s about the natural enzymes in raw food.
>>>
>>> On cycles: We?ll do chicken when it?s in the dry food chicken cycle.
>>> That?s a couple of big bags worth. Then we?ll get them off chicken when
>>> we switch to another flavor, etc. We?ll buy packages of organic boneless
>
>>> chicken breast for example.
>>>
>>> For possible concerns about chicken bacteria from processing plants,
> here?s
>>> what I do for preparing a bunch at once: I?d be content just to rinse
>>> well and freeze raw chicken, but my wife likes to be sure it?s clean.
> Not
>>> a big deal really, so I?ll clean the sink, cut open a bunch of packages
> in
>>> it, rinse all well, and then ziplock and throw in the freezer. Quick
>>> follow up scrub of sink again, wash hands, and we?re back in business.
>>> Bacteria attacks are rare. But my wife is more concerned. So to prepare
>
>>> a few days worth, I?ll just throw a frying pan with a quarter to half an
>>> inch of water on the stove, bring up to a quick boil, and drop two
> breasts
>>> in, either defrosted or frozen solid. It?s only the surface that would
>>> carry bacteria. Hot water, or the steam from it in a covered pan kills
>>> everything in seconds. Turn over with a fork, leave a few moments, and
> out
>>> they go. A few minutes of cooling, and ? Seared clean raw
>>> chicken?just like the high dollar tuna item in a restaurant! The girls
> go
>>> NUTS!
>>>
>>> I hope this contributes to your pups? well being. It really seems to
> show
>>> in our girls health.
>>> -Peter
>>>
>>>
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>>>> 1. Gas attack! (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 2. More distractable when the seasons change (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 3. Re: More distractable when the seasons change (Tami Jarvis)
>>>> 4. Re: Gas attack! (Raven Tolliver)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:20:42 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
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>>>> I've been trying Krokus on a new food, Nature's Variety Instinct Rabbit.
>
>>>> It
>>>> doesn't seem to be agreeing with him; he has gas that could clear the
>>>> room.
>>>> For some reason, it seems to get worse as the day goes on-OK in the
>>>> morning,
>>>> deadly in the evening. I'm thinking of giving up the rabbit experiment.
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if it's a temporary thing that will pass as he adapts to
>>>> the
>>>> new food, or if rabbit is just not the thing for him. My feeble old
>>>> brain
>>>> can't recall previous experiences of this nature. Anyone have any
>>>> thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you hear on the news that a building near the UN was evacuated
> because
>>>> of
>>>> fears of poison gas, that will be us.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:50:21 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
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>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
>>>> couple
>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
>>>> and
>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
>
>>>> in
>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0700
>>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
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>>>> Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> I notice that, too. Definitely, the cooler weather of fall is a real
>>>> pepper upper, and who knows what scents are hiding in all those leaves?
>>>> A good rain really brings out the aromas, requiring further
>>>> investigation. Then in spring when the snow melts away, it lets out all
>>>> sorts of new odors that have been hiding under there. That definitely
>>>> calls for a sniff fest! Some of the things that start to thaw out beside
>>>> the sidewalk are things I do *not* want to pull out of my dog's mouth,
>>>> but I seem to need to at least once a year. Ewww! Convincing the dog to
>>>> pass those things by is not easy, either.
>>>>
>>>> The funny thing is that I know this is going to happen, but it still
>>>> takes me by surprise. Hey! What's wrong with my dog? Oh, right. It's
>>>> just the season. /lol/ We work on it, and things get back to normal.
>>>> Until next time.
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/25/2016 07:50 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
>>>>> couple
>>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
>
>>>>> and
>>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice
> versa
>>>>> in
>>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
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>>>> I'm not sure if you've fed him this brand of food, but it could either
>>>> be the rabbit protein or some other ingredient in that formula that's
>>>> causing tummy upset.
>>>> There's too many options to make him tough it out, and suffer the
>>>> smelly results.
>>>> Next food.
>>>> --
>>>> Raven
>>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>>
>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>>> have or what you do.
>>>>
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