[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 138, Issue 23
Peter Wolf
pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Fri Sep 30 23:13:33 UTC 2016
Thanks for the heads up about unopened peroxide, didnt’ know that.
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> 1. Changes to the definition of Service Animal under the ACAA
> (Jenine Stanley)
> 2. Re: Update on my pup (Tracy Carcione)
> 3. Re: Making a dog vomit (Tracy Carcione)
> 4. #HowISeeIt (Jimmy)
> 5. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
> (Marianne Denning)
> 6. Re: #HowISeeIt (Raul A. Gallegos)
> 7. Re: Changes to the definition of Service Animal under the
> ACAA (Marianne Denning)
> 8. Re: #HowISeeIt (Jimmy)
> 9. Training request, and (Jewel) Why a Silken Windhound? (Peter Wolf)
> 10. Re: Training request, and (Jewel) Why a Silken Windhound?
> (Tracy Carcione)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:05:34 -0400
> From: Jenine Stanley <jeninems at icloud.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Changes to the definition of Service Animal under the
> ACAA
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> Thank you for posting these minutes.
>
> I serve on the ACCESS Committee along with Mr. Diggs. I am representing GDF and other guide and service dog schools.
>
> I would be happy to give anyone information about what is being proposed and why.
>
> Let me start by explaining the current ACAA definition of service animal. This definition includes animals that simply provide assistance through their presence with no disability training requirements. these are called Emotional Support Animals (ESAs). Technically all animals under the ACAA must have some level of ability to behave in public but the reality is that it?s hard to police and to avoid people like the woman with the chicken, described on this list, who was very forceful about her *rights*, airline staff tend to ignore things.
>
> Under the current ACAA definition of service animal , there are 3 sets of animals that can fly, free of charge, as accommodations to someone?s disability. Traditional service animals, guide, hearing, mobility and other types of animals trained specifically to mitigate an aspect of a disability, as well as having public access/exposure training, are allowed to accompany passengers with no requirement of documentation or prior notice.
>
> People who work with Psychiatric Service Animals, (PSAs) animals with specific disability mitigation training to address mental health related disabilities and with public access/exposure training, must provide a letter including a diagnosis from the DSM4/5, on the stationary of a qualified mental health professional no less than 48 hours prior to flight. There are more specifics about this letter in the ACAA.
>
> ESA owners must also provide such a letter with the same information, stating that the animal is necessary.
>
> Unfortunately, people trying to avoid the pet fees or just not understanding the rules, and yes, not wanting to disclose their mental health-related disabilities to their existing health care providers, can go on line and find any number of doctors or organizations that will write the requisite letters on their behalf. There are also people who will buy vests and ID cards on line to avoid any of this and just call their animal a ?service animal? meaning that it has some disability mitigation other than for a mental health related disability.
>
> The system is broken. This negotiated regulation process was convened to try to fix it, or at least come up with some new definition that wouldn?t break it even further. In another post I will detail what is being proposed and why.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:18:31 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Update on my pup
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> Hi Marsha. So glad your girl is OK. Those crosses can be so piggy!
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:34 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Marsha Drenth
> Subject: [NAGDU] Update on my pup
>
> Hi List,
>
> Thank you to all those that prayed, sent good thoughts, or get well bives on
> the list, emails or in text messages. I am so ready for this week to be
> over. But I am very happy to report that pup is now home with me. She did
> not have any complications like seizures, tremours, or fast heart rate. She
> has had diarrhea and is on a very bland diet. But my girl is home. So to
> explain more as my message was very short. My dog is a 6 year old black lab
> cross from GDF. My husband I had left my puppy with a family who has watched
> her before, of course they love dogs. We were going to the beach, and
> thought it would be a good idea for my pup to have her own little vacation.
> I travel alot for work, so she works long days. Now this is what I do, not
> what others have to do. Please don't judge. my puppy had snagged a bag of
> items that were purchased at the store off the counter. No one was looking
> so she decided to eat the whole bag. The bag contained 12 ounces of dark
> semi sweet baking choc olate, a bag of carmel pieces, and a bag of
> pretzels. Pup ate the whole bag, plastic and all. The mom in the family saw
> right away what had happened, called my vet, which recommended that she be
> taken to the nearest clinic. They were able to make her throw up, gave her
> the charcoal, and observe her. This all happened on Monday, the day that my
> husband I were to come home. Pup stayed in the hospital for a few days and
> is now home. Pup is very happy to be home, but is definately not acting her
> self. I was in contact with the folks over at the GDF, so they are aware of
> everything that went on. It was very scarey. Of course this couuld happened
> anywhere at any time. My pup was being very sneaky, which she can be
> sometimes.
>
> Also, if my pup had done this with me present, I would of course have given
> her the peroxide. We have some in a kit for emergencies on all levels of our
> home. But this did not happen with me around. I also didn't know that the
> subject of the thread had been changed, so didn't see all the messages on
> list.
>
> As I mentioned above, I am ready for the week to be over. I am now sick
> myself too. My normal bronchitis in the fall. My poor hubby, now taking care
> of both of us.
>
> Thanks again for the support.
>
>
> Marsha drenth
> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:21:30 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Making a dog vomit
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> Hi Jean.
> Thanks for the info on charcoal; I didn't know that.
> When the vet had to make Krokus vomit, he did the thing with the drug in the
> eye, too. He said it is the same thing they use to save people who have had
> a heroine overdose, which I thought was interesting. Whatever it is, it
> worked within a couple minutes, and out came all the bad stuff.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:13 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Jean Menzies
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Making a dog vomit
>
> Activated charcoal can be obtained at drugstores I think. It absorbs and
> binds to poisons. It is often suggested that people with small children keep
>
> it on hand as well.
>
> One of my dogs once ate a huge amount of chopped onion, which is toxic. He
> ate more than the safe limit, and that's when the hydrogen peroxide didn't
> work, so we ended up at the emergency vet clinic. They gave him activated
> charcoal, and also put a tiny patch of some kind in his eye that induced
> vomiting. Not sure how that works, but it did.
>
> Jean
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:01 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Making a dog vomit
>
> What does the charcoal do?
> Tracy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Jean Menzies
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Making a dog vomit
>
> It only works if the hydrogen peroxide is new and freshly opened. When it
> didn't work for me, my vet explained that it deteriorates after it is open
> and left sitting. When I had occasion to try it some years ago, all I got
> was a lot of frothing at my dog's mouth and no vomiting. I've never had to
> try it since, so can't say if that advice is accurate.
>
> But , as an emergency preparedness supply kit, perhaps you might want to
> keep an unopened bottle on hand and some activated charcoal as well.
>
> Jean and Bode
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:34 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: [NAGDU] Making a dog vomit
>
> I tried the peroxide method twice, back when the mad Krokus puppy was eating
> everything he saw. It worked once, but not the next time, so we had to
> scurry off to the emergency vet.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 6:15 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Peter Wolf
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 138, Issue 19
>
> Marsha, what is your puppy's name and breed? It helps aim prayers to "see"
> you. Prayers to you both.
>
> For all of us, the following carries a mixed opinion, what to do if we catch
> something bad swallowed in time. We should all know about this. I'm not a
> vet and and this is not advice. It is vet advice that (I) took successfully
> to help my own dog once. Please go read up on it or check out u-tubes from
> vets that are out there, and make your own decisions because there is also
> risk.
>
> My dog once ate nuts toxic to a dog. The vet recommended a teaspoon of
> normal 3% peroxide, right down the throat to induce vomiting. She began a
> series of vomiting, up to several times starting within 15 to 40 seconds.
> It lasted a couple of minutes, and then was clear. This empties things out
> of the stomach immediately, if, it is soon enough and so the target
> substance is still in the stomach.
>
> Warning, vomiting can't be done with caustics; that's even worse. And note
> the general risk. The dog can aspirate vomit, which is inhaling vomit -
> essentially pneumonia. That is bad. Real bad. We can't control
> everything, but reasonably, I felt that if I could control her body
> position, it would keep things right. I alternated kneeling and holding her
> up, or stradled her, and held her upright, standing, head forward and down
> in a natural vomiting position, until I knew she was through. It worked
> well, we watched her for a while, and we ended up not even going to the vet.
>
>
> Take care,
> Peter
>
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>> 1. prayers needed please (Marsha Drenth)
>> 2. Re: prayers needed please (Donna St. John)
>> 3. Re: prayers needed please (Becky Frankeberger)
>> 4. Distractions (Rachel Grider)
>> 5. Re: Distractions (lkeeler at comcast.net)
>> 6. Re: Distractions (Daryl Marie)
>> 7. Re: Distractions (lkeeler at comcast.net)
>> 8. Re: prayers needed please (Lisie Foster)
>> 9. Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life (Peter Wolf)
>> 10. Re: Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life (Andy B.)
>> 11. Re: Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life (Julie J.)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 12:53:08 -0400
>> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
>> Message-ID: <7497B7E2-53DF-4C54-AA8D-3F4E57B9DC04 at gmail.com>
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>> Please pray, send positive thoughts and love to my puppy. we are on
> vacation and had left puppy with a family who also loves dogs. This morning
> my puppy got into a bag of dark semi sweet chocolate and a bag of pretzels.
> It was a large amount of chocolate about 12oz. The family watching her saw
> it right away, and took her to the nearest animal hospital. Puppy is not
> doing well. but its now a wait and see thing. I am so nervous that this will
> end her working career. Please pray for my puppy.
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>> Sent with my IPhone
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:34:08 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: "Donna St. John" <furkids4me at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
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>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Marsha
>>
>> My thoughts and prayers are with you and your puppy girl.I hoe she makes a
> speedy recovery.? Please keep us allposted.
>> Donna and Elsa
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:10:31 -0700
>> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
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>> Marsha, praying. Warm hugs to you,
>>
>> Becky and Jake
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
> via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:53 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
>>
>> Please pray, send positive thoughts and love to my puppy. we are on
> vacation
>> and had left puppy with a family who also loves dogs. This morning my
> puppy
>> got into a bag of dark semi sweet chocolate and a bag of pretzels. It was
> a
>> large amount of chocolate about 12oz. The family watching her saw it right
>> away, and took her to the nearest animal hospital. Puppy is not doing
> well.
>> but its now a wait and see thing. I am so nervous that this will end her
>> working career. Please pray for my puppy.
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>> Sent with my IPhone
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> As
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:45:35 -0700
>> From: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Hi, Guys:
>>
>> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
>> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>>
>> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
>> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
>> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
>> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
>> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
>> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
>> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
>> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
>> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
>> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
>> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
>> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
>> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
>> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
>> well.
>>
>> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
>> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
>> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
>> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
>> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
>> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
>> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
>> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
>> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
>> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
>> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
>> improving.
>>
>> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
>> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:41:04 -0400
>> From: <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
>> Message-ID: <380E332F630A408F838B3DFDF1789DB2 at LarryPC>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Have fun! Holly thinks tis the season! She starts sniffing just about
>> everything! After a couple of weeks, she'll slow down the sniffing but, in
>
>> the meantime, lots of corrections!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 7:45 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rachel Grider
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>>
>> Hi, Guys:
>>
>> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
>> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>>
>> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
>> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
>> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
>> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
>> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
>> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
>> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
>> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
>> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
>> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
>> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
>> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
>> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
>> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
>> well.
>>
>> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
>> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
>> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
>> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
>> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
>> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
>> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
>> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
>> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
>> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
>> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
>> improving.
>>
>> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
>> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Rachel
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:11:07 -0600 (MDT)
>> From: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
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>> Great work! that's awesome! :)
>> I am sure there is something to the season change, though my guide has
> seasonal allergies that make her a little edgier than she otherwise would
> be... so I don't discount the season change = distraction. But keep up the
> great work!
>>
>> We had another service dog get on the bus today. They were both a little
> excited to see each other (Jenny let out a little happy whimper, and his
> tail started wagging like crazy), but above all they both listened and left
> each other alone. :)
>>
>> WINNER!
>>
>> Daryl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:45:35 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>>
>> Hi, Guys:
>>
>> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
>> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>>
>> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
>> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
>> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
>> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
>> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
>> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
>> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
>> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
>> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
>> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
>> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
>> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
>> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
>> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
>> well.
>>
>> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
>> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
>> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
>> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
>> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
>> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
>> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
>> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
>> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
>> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
>> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
>> improving.
>>
>> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
>> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Rachel
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:09:33 -0400
>> From: <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
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>> Holly routinely runs into other service dogs. She often wags the body but
>> usually behaves herself.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daryl Marie via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:11 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Daryl Marie
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Distractions
>>
>> Great work! that's awesome! :)
>> I am sure there is something to the season change, though my guide has
>> seasonal allergies that make her a little edgier than she otherwise would
>> be... so I don't discount the season change = distraction. But keep up the
>
>> great work!
>>
>> We had another service dog get on the bus today. They were both a little
>> excited to see each other (Jenny let out a little happy whimper, and his
>> tail started wagging like crazy), but above all they both listened and
> left
>> each other alone. :)
>>
>> WINNER!
>>
>> Daryl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:45:35 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Distractions
>>
>> Hi, Guys:
>>
>> My computer is being annoying and not letting me reply to a thread
>> right now, so I am starting a new one...
>>
>> Thank you for all your advice. Things have been going much better over
>> the last couple days. I have been more proactive about catching Demi
>> right as she is starting to sniff something, and she seems to be much
>> more focused as a result. I tried something a little different today:
>> I think that it was Julie who suggested backing up with your dog when
>> you are faced with a distraction and then reworking that spot-I did a
>> sort of modified version of that. When Demi stopped to sniff a pole in
>> the middle of the sidewalk today, I gave her a leash correction, and
>> because she still seemed to want to check out that pole, I backed up
>> and had her come and sit, then I praised her (a mini obedience
>> session), then I had her go forward again and we passed that pole with
>> no problems. What's more, she did not show any desire to sniff any
>> other poles for the rest of the route. I performed this same exercise
>> for a bush distraction later in the route, and it worked equally as
>> well.
>>
>> Also, on Saturday, Demi and I attended an event about which I had been
>> more than a little anxious because I knew that there would be other
>> guide dogs at the event, and Demi has lately been more prone to dog
>> distractions while in harness. We happened to be sitting at a table
>> with another guide dog handler right next to me, and, though the other
>> dog was literally hip-to-hip with Demi and often shifted around, Demi
>> stayed totally focused, even when another dog and handler walked past
>> us so closely that the other dog was practically touching Demi. When I
>> was working her at this event, she behaved just as well, even when we
>> passed a guide dog that was trying to sniff her. I was (and still am)
>> very proud of her and glad that our work together seems to be
>> improving.
>>
>> Maybe this destraction phase is merely a result of the season change,
>> but either way, I think that we are working it out. :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Rachel
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 01:04:23 -0400
>> From: Lisie Foster <lisiefoster at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] prayers needed please
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>>
>> Sending many prayers to your dog and to you, Marsha. How hard that would
> be to be away and find out something like that had happened. I'm glad the
> family she was staying with saw right away what happened. I hope so much
> that your pup will be OK! Much love to you both.
>>
>>
>> Lisie and Sundance
>> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Please excuse the mess I may have made of this email. I am learning to use
> VoiceOver and we are NOT friends.
>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Marsha Drenth via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please pray, send positive thoughts and love to my puppy.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 23:47:03 -0700
>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
>> Message-ID: <68BE7403-88B6-4F90-8E38-0EDE4C90B4F8 at wolfskills.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> I can?t weigh in about rabbit or gas. But this brings up a general food
> inquiry. We?ve done a lot of research. It might be nice to share
> generally what we?ve learned and done for good long healthy lives with dog
> food.
>>
>> Between my wife and me in our lifetimes, we?ve lost animals earlier than
> we might think is really normal for them. Or, not being as healthy as they
> perhaps could have been, and also, dying early of things like diabetes -
> which just shouldn?t be. In that case, it was the vet who suggested that
> carbohydrate laden food weakened and ultimately killed her. That was
> directed by a vet. But if you look at junky commercial food and treats sold
> through vet offices, it puts us back to inquiry.
>>
>> We?ve been feeding the girls good balanced organic food, that seems
> sensible for their animal type and metabolism. This, in (money) terms,
> might be the same we would have spent on medical/health issues in our dogs,
> possibly for premature death and high vet bills for managing breaking down
> dogs, becase feeding them this way is expensive. But this isn?t about
> money, even if what we feed them costs a lot. Most importantly, it?s that
> we want them to live and feel their best, and live the longest healthiest
> possible lives in the most wonderful shape they can.
>>
>> So we?ve done a big amount of research, to find that only some dog foods
> are really clean and organic. And even if so, it?s necessary to check the
> food labels. Companies come and go, and get bought and sold. Only the
> brand label on the front of the package appears the same. For example, we
> finally found something that was fantastic food. We used Castor and Pollux
> ?Organics", which was outstanding and very well balanced food?until we found
> out that they got bought by Purina. We switched. And recently, we read an
> ?Organix? ingredients label. We won?t use it again. It?s necessary to stay
> on top of ingredients.
>>
>> Another thing is the use of canola oil. Canola is essentially a waste
> oil, which would be great for machinery. But go consult Dr. Google and you
> may be as convinced as we have been that it doesn?t belong in food, for
> anybody. Canola (from the
>> ?rapeseed" plant) grows in Canada and now elsewhere. Nonetheless, unless
> organic it still gets the chemical treatment of other plants you wouldn?t
> want to eat. At one point the found that the plant blasts out of the ground
> like a weed so successfully in Canada, that when they found that they could
> press the seeds and get an abundant source of oil, they had a potential
> goldmine. And so they had to invent a marketing strategy. They probably
> figured out that they wouldn?t have much success with ?rape?, so they named
> it "Can-ola".
>>
>> Canola gets put into dog food, even really premium expensive ones,
> cyclically. That?s the same reason you?ll buy potato chips one month and it
> will say ?Sunflower oil?, and then later the same brand might say
> ?Sunflower, Canola and/or other oils??whichever supplies and costs less at
> that time and I?d understand as ?not sunflower?. In dog food, for one
> couple of months, it might be chicken fat or something else that?s ok to
> metabolize. Then the next time you buy a big bag of the same flavor, it
> might have canola. That?s why to stay on top of the labels. Did you guys
> know that? It?s what we've found out once we got it home.
>>
>> But this is ok, because it?s good to cycle a dog?s food. Different meats,
> cycled on and off every few months gives dogs? immune systems variety and
> adaptation. Corn, soy and wheat aren?t things dogs metabolize well, and can
> lead to systemic inflamation and allergies, which are a result of it.
> That?s in a lot of the low grade commercial foods, as is ?fish or meat meal?
> instead of real meat or fish. I won?t gross you out on what can be in
> ?meal?. Unless you want to look up the five or more definitions of
> ?condemned animal?.
>>
>> So many names that harken ?the wild? or such terms are great marketing.
> But most dog food products are all made by a few companies. And we got
> curious after periodic food recalls of them to begin researching. In the
> past couple of years, we?ve arrived at using dry food from Acana. They are
> made by Orijen. Same little company, two products. Orijen is super high
> protein. If we buy it, we mix it with Acana, because protein alone isn?t
> great for kidneys. That?s why we like Acana. It?s a good mix. We?ll spend
> a bunch of money on it, but again, we won?t be surprised if not stressing
> our dogs systems on junky food costs the same or less than tearfully
> financing chronic or acute vet bills for broken down dogs in the long term.
>
>>
>> Then there?s raw. We give them a little raw morning and night. It might
> be Primal nuggets, but more lately we?ve given them chicken or other
> meats/organs. Just a little is great, like one or two tablespoons worth.
> In one day, ?dog breath? was cured, and their breath has been sweet ever
> since. And their teeth and gums began looking better over a longer term of
> it. We think it?s about the natural enzymes in raw food.
>>
>> On cycles: We?ll do chicken when it?s in the dry food chicken cycle.
> That?s a couple of big bags worth. Then we?ll get them off chicken when we
> switch to another flavor, etc. We?ll buy packages of organic boneless
> chicken breast for example.
>>
>> For possible concerns about chicken bacteria from processing plants,
> here?s what I do for preparing a bunch at once: I?d be content just to
> rinse well and freeze raw chicken, but my wife likes to be sure it?s clean.
> Not a big deal really, so I?ll clean the sink, cut open a bunch of packages
> in it, rinse all well, and then ziplock and throw in the freezer. Quick
> follow up scrub of sink again, wash hands, and we?re back in business.
> Bacteria attacks are rare. But my wife is more concerned. So to prepare a
> few days worth, I?ll just throw a frying pan with a quarter to half an inch
> of water on the stove, bring up to a quick boil, and drop two breasts in,
> either defrosted or frozen solid. It?s only the surface that would carry
> bacteria. Hot water, or the steam from it in a covered pan kills everything
> in seconds. Turn over with a fork, leave a few moments, and out they go.
> A few minutes of cooling, and ? Seared clean raw chicken?just like the high
> dollar tuna item in a restaurant! The girls go NUTS!
>>
>> I hope this contributes to your pups? well being. It really seems to show
> in our girls health.
>> -Peter
>>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Gas attack! (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 2. More distractable when the seasons change (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 3. Re: More distractable when the seasons change (Tami Jarvis)
>>> 4. Re: Gas attack! (Raven Tolliver)
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:20:42 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
>>> Message-ID: <00ac01d21737$ff758e20$fe60aa60$@access.net>
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>>>
>>> I've been trying Krokus on a new food, Nature's Variety Instinct Rabbit.
> It
>>> doesn't seem to be agreeing with him; he has gas that could clear the
> room.
>>> For some reason, it seems to get worse as the day goes on-OK in the
> morning,
>>> deadly in the evening. I'm thinking of giving up the rabbit experiment.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if it's a temporary thing that will pass as he adapts to
> the
>>> new food, or if rabbit is just not the thing for him. My feeble old
> brain
>>> can't recall previous experiences of this nature. Anyone have any
> thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you hear on the news that a building near the UN was evacuated because
> of
>>> fears of poison gas, that will be us.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:50:21 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
> couple
>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
> and
>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
> in
>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0700
>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
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>>>
>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> I notice that, too. Definitely, the cooler weather of fall is a real
>>> pepper upper, and who knows what scents are hiding in all those leaves?
>>> A good rain really brings out the aromas, requiring further
>>> investigation. Then in spring when the snow melts away, it lets out all
>>> sorts of new odors that have been hiding under there. That definitely
>>> calls for a sniff fest! Some of the things that start to thaw out beside
>>> the sidewalk are things I do *not* want to pull out of my dog's mouth,
>>> but I seem to need to at least once a year. Ewww! Convincing the dog to
>>> pass those things by is not easy, either.
>>>
>>> The funny thing is that I know this is going to happen, but it still
>>> takes me by surprise. Hey! What's wrong with my dog? Oh, right. It's
>>> just the season. /lol/ We work on it, and things get back to normal.
>>> Until next time.
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2016 07:50 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
> couple
>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
> and
>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
> in
>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:12:18 -0400
>>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
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>>> I'm not sure if you've fed him this brand of food, but it could either
>>> be the rabbit protein or some other ingredient in that formula that's
>>> causing tummy upset.
>>> There's too many options to make him tough it out, and suffer the
>>> smelly results.
>>> Next food.
>>> --
>>> Raven
>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>
>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>> have or what you do.
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 03:15:12 -0400
>> From: "Andy B." <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
>> Message-ID: <9C8563CD-AD80-46D3-B42C-FC378836D59E at gmail.com>
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>>
>> What do you recommend in general for on the shelf food? I.E. Blue Buffalo?
> Science Diet? When you give them real meat, how do you keep them from
> begging at dinner or sneaking when your not looking?
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Peter Wolf via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can?t weigh in about rabbit or gas. But this brings up a general food
> inquiry. We?ve done a lot of research. It might be nice to share
> generally what we?ve learned and done for good long healthy lives with dog
> food.
>>>
>>> Between my wife and me in our lifetimes, we?ve lost animals earlier than
> we might think is really normal for them. Or, not being as healthy as they
> perhaps could have been, and also, dying early of things like diabetes -
> which just shouldn?t be. In that case, it was the vet who suggested that
> carbohydrate laden food weakened and ultimately killed her. That was
> directed by a vet. But if you look at junky commercial food and treats sold
> through vet offices, it puts us back to inquiry.
>>>
>>> We?ve been feeding the girls good balanced organic food, that seems
> sensible for their animal type and metabolism. This, in (money) terms,
> might be the same we would have spent on medical/health issues in our dogs,
> possibly for premature death and high vet bills for managing breaking down
> dogs, becase feeding them this way is expensive. But this isn?t about
> money, even if what we feed them costs a lot. Most importantly, it?s that
> we want them to live and feel their best, and live the longest healthiest
> possible lives in the most wonderful shape they can.
>>>
>>> So we?ve done a big amount of research, to find that only some dog foods
> are really clean and organic. And even if so, it?s necessary to check the
> food labels. Companies come and go, and get bought and sold. Only the
> brand label on the front of the package appears the same. For example, we
> finally found something that was fantastic food. We used Castor and Pollux
> ?Organics", which was outstanding and very well balanced food?until we found
> out that they got bought by Purina. We switched. And recently, we read an
> ?Organix? ingredients label. We won?t use it again. It?s necessary to stay
> on top of ingredients.
>>>
>>> Another thing is the use of canola oil. Canola is essentially a waste
> oil, which would be great for machinery. But go consult Dr. Google and you
> may be as convinced as we have been that it doesn?t belong in food, for
> anybody. Canola (from the
>>> ?rapeseed" plant) grows in Canada and now elsewhere. Nonetheless, unless
> organic it still gets the chemical treatment of other plants you wouldn?t
> want to eat. At one point the found that the plant blasts out of the ground
> like a weed so successfully in Canada, that when they found that they could
> press the seeds and get an abundant source of oil, they had a potential
> goldmine. And so they had to invent a marketing strategy. They probably
> figured out that they wouldn?t have much success with ?rape?, so they named
> it "Can-ola".
>>>
>>> Canola gets put into dog food, even really premium expensive ones,
> cyclically. That?s the same reason you?ll buy potato chips one month and it
> will say ?Sunflower oil?, and then later the same brand might say
> ?Sunflower, Canola and/or other oils??whichever supplies and costs less at
> that time and I?d understand as ?not sunflower?. In dog food, for one
> couple of months, it might be chicken fat or something else that?s ok to
> metabolize. Then the next time you buy a big bag of the same flavor, it
> might have canola. That?s why to stay on top of the labels. Did you guys
> know that? It?s what we've found out once we got it home.
>>>
>>> But this is ok, because it?s good to cycle a dog?s food. Different
> meats, cycled on and off every few months gives dogs? immune systems variety
> and adaptation. Corn, soy and wheat aren?t things dogs metabolize well, and
> can lead to systemic inflamation and allergies, which are a result of it.
> That?s in a lot of the low grade commercial foods, as is ?fish or meat meal?
> instead of real meat or fish. I won?t gross you out on what can be in
> ?meal?. Unless you want to look up the five or more definitions of
> ?condemned animal?.
>>>
>>> So many names that harken ?the wild? or such terms are great marketing.
> But most dog food products are all made by a few companies. And we got
> curious after periodic food recalls of them to begin researching. In the
> past couple of years, we?ve arrived at using dry food from Acana. They are
> made by Orijen. Same little company, two products. Orijen is super high
> protein. If we buy it, we mix it with Acana, because protein alone isn?t
> great for kidneys. That?s why we like Acana. It?s a good mix. We?ll spend
> a bunch of money on it, but again, we won?t be surprised if not stressing
> our dogs systems on junky food costs the same or less than tearfully
> financing chronic or acute vet bills for broken down dogs in the long term.
>
>>>
>>> Then there?s raw. We give them a little raw morning and night. It might
> be Primal nuggets, but more lately we?ve given them chicken or other
> meats/organs. Just a little is great, like one or two tablespoons worth.
> In one day, ?dog breath? was cured, and their breath has been sweet ever
> since. And their teeth and gums began looking better over a longer term of
> it. We think it?s about the natural enzymes in raw food.
>>>
>>> On cycles: We?ll do chicken when it?s in the dry food chicken cycle.
> That?s a couple of big bags worth. Then we?ll get them off chicken when we
> switch to another flavor, etc. We?ll buy packages of organic boneless
> chicken breast for example.
>>>
>>> For possible concerns about chicken bacteria from processing plants,
> here?s what I do for preparing a bunch at once: I?d be content just to
> rinse well and freeze raw chicken, but my wife likes to be sure it?s clean.
> Not a big deal really, so I?ll clean the sink, cut open a bunch of packages
> in it, rinse all well, and then ziplock and throw in the freezer. Quick
> follow up scrub of sink again, wash hands, and we?re back in business.
> Bacteria attacks are rare. But my wife is more concerned. So to prepare a
> few days worth, I?ll just throw a frying pan with a quarter to half an inch
> of water on the stove, bring up to a quick boil, and drop two breasts in,
> either defrosted or frozen solid. It?s only the surface that would carry
> bacteria. Hot water, or the steam from it in a covered pan kills everything
> in seconds. Turn over with a fork, leave a few moments, and out they go.
> A few minutes of cooling, and ? Seared clean raw chicken?just like the high
> dollar tuna item in a restaurant! The girls go NUTS!
>>>
>>> I hope this contributes to your pups? well being. It really seems to
> show in our girls health.
>>> -Peter
>>>
>>>
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>>>> 1. Gas attack! (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 2. More distractable when the seasons change (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 3. Re: More distractable when the seasons change (Tami Jarvis)
>>>> 4. Re: Gas attack! (Raven Tolliver)
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:20:42 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
>>>> Message-ID: <00ac01d21737$ff758e20$fe60aa60$@access.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying Krokus on a new food, Nature's Variety Instinct Rabbit.
> It
>>>> doesn't seem to be agreeing with him; he has gas that could clear the
> room.
>>>> For some reason, it seems to get worse as the day goes on-OK in the
> morning,
>>>> deadly in the evening. I'm thinking of giving up the rabbit experiment.
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if it's a temporary thing that will pass as he adapts to
> the
>>>> new food, or if rabbit is just not the thing for him. My feeble old
> brain
>>>> can't recall previous experiences of this nature. Anyone have any
> thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you hear on the news that a building near the UN was evacuated
> because of
>>>> fears of poison gas, that will be us.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:50:21 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>>> Message-ID: <00b901d2173c$24074ae0$6c15e0a0$@access.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
> couple
>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
> and
>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
> in
>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0700
>>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>>> Message-ID: <1e19e1a6-c496-bd33-f7ce-8119cc2fb570 at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> I notice that, too. Definitely, the cooler weather of fall is a real
>>>> pepper upper, and who knows what scents are hiding in all those leaves?
>>>> A good rain really brings out the aromas, requiring further
>>>> investigation. Then in spring when the snow melts away, it lets out all
>>>> sorts of new odors that have been hiding under there. That definitely
>>>> calls for a sniff fest! Some of the things that start to thaw out beside
>
>>>> the sidewalk are things I do *not* want to pull out of my dog's mouth,
>>>> but I seem to need to at least once a year. Ewww! Convincing the dog to
>>>> pass those things by is not easy, either.
>>>>
>>>> The funny thing is that I know this is going to happen, but it still
>>>> takes me by surprise. Hey! What's wrong with my dog? Oh, right. It's
>>>> just the season. /lol/ We work on it, and things get back to normal.
>>>> Until next time.
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On 09/25/2016 07:50 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
> couple
>>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
> and
>>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice
> versa in
>>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
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>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:12:18 -0400
>>>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
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>>>> I'm not sure if you've fed him this brand of food, but it could either
>>>> be the rabbit protein or some other ingredient in that formula that's
>>>> causing tummy upset.
>>>> There's too many options to make him tough it out, and suffer the
>>>> smelly results.
>>>> Next food.
>>>> --
>>>> Raven
>>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>>
>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>>> have or what you do.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 05:57:13 -0500
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
>> Message-ID: <108100582C204A6D9654BAED89A2050C at JuliePC>
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>>
>> On real food vs. dog food, sneaking, begging and stealing...
>>
>> Dogs do not distinguish between dog food and real food. Their food is
> real.
>> The invention of "dog" food is pretty recent in history, around the 1950's
>
>> if I am remembering correctly. Before then dogs ate whatever leftovers
>> there were, scraps from the butcher etc. Dog food was invented for people
>
>> not dogs. People wanted a more convenient way to feed their dogs, so dog
>> food was introduced.
>>
>> Begging, stealing and other nuisance behaviors are just that behaviors.
>> They are learned either by active teaching, inadvertent teaching or trial
>> and error with what gets results. If you are mindful of what you are
>> communicating about food to your dog and only reinforce the behavior you
>> want, there will be no begging or other bad behavior.
>>
>> Begging only occurs because it gets results. If you never reward begging,
>
>> it simply won't happen. However food is a very significant reinforcer.
> It
>> won't take many slip ups on your part before you have a dog who begs, so
>> don't start.
>>
>> Create rules around food that reinforce the behavior you want. Put the
> raw
>> food in the dog dish, or in their kennel, or on a particular
> mat...whatever
>> works for you and stick with it. The type of food you feed doesn't create
>
>> bad behavior. It is not reinforcing your expectations that leads to
>> problems.
>>
>> Julie
>> New lowered price on my book:
>> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy B. via NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 2:15 AM
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>> Cc: Andy B.
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas, Dog Food quality, and Long life
>>
>> What do you recommend in general for on the shelf food? I.E. Blue Buffalo?
>
>> Science Diet? When you give them real meat, how do you keep them from
>> begging at dinner or sneaking when your not looking?
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Peter Wolf via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can?t weigh in about rabbit or gas. But this brings up a general food
>>> inquiry. We?ve done a lot of research. It might be nice to share
>>> generally what we?ve learned and done for good long healthy lives with
> dog
>>> food.
>>>
>>> Between my wife and me in our lifetimes, we?ve lost animals earlier than
>>> we might think is really normal for them. Or, not being as healthy as
>>> they perhaps could have been, and also, dying early of things like
>>> diabetes - which just shouldn?t be. In that case, it was the vet who
>>> suggested that carbohydrate laden food weakened and ultimately killed
> her.
>>> That was directed by a vet. But if you look at junky commercial food and
>
>>> treats sold through vet offices, it puts us back to inquiry.
>>>
>>> We?ve been feeding the girls good balanced organic food, that seems
>>> sensible for their animal type and metabolism. This, in (money) terms,
>>> might be the same we would have spent on medical/health issues in our
>>> dogs, possibly for premature death and high vet bills for managing
>>> breaking down dogs, becase feeding them this way is expensive. But this
>>> isn?t about money, even if what we feed them costs a lot. Most
>>> importantly, it?s that we want them to live and feel their best, and live
>
>>> the longest healthiest possible lives in the most wonderful shape they
>>> can.
>>>
>>> So we?ve done a big amount of research, to find that only some dog foods
>>> are really clean and organic. And even if so, it?s necessary to check
> the
>>> food labels. Companies come and go, and get bought and sold. Only the
>>> brand label on the front of the package appears the same. For example,
> we
>>> finally found something that was fantastic food. We used Castor and
>>> Pollux ?Organics", which was outstanding and very well balanced
> food?until
>>> we found out that they got bought by Purina. We switched. And
> recently,
>>> we read an ?Organix? ingredients label. We won?t use it again. It?s
>>> necessary to stay on top of ingredients.
>>>
>>> Another thing is the use of canola oil. Canola is essentially a waste
>>> oil, which would be great for machinery. But go consult Dr. Google and
>>> you may be as convinced as we have been that it doesn?t belong in food,
>>> for anybody. Canola (from the
>>> ?rapeseed" plant) grows in Canada and now elsewhere. Nonetheless, unless
>
>>> organic it still gets the chemical treatment of other plants you wouldn?t
>
>>> want to eat. At one point the found that the plant blasts out of the
>>> ground like a weed so successfully in Canada, that when they found that
>>> they could press the seeds and get an abundant source of oil, they had a
>>> potential goldmine. And so they had to invent a marketing strategy.
> They
>>> probably figured out that they wouldn?t have much success with ?rape?, so
>
>>> they named it "Can-ola".
>>>
>>> Canola gets put into dog food, even really premium expensive ones,
>>> cyclically. That?s the same reason you?ll buy potato chips one month and
>
>>> it will say ?Sunflower oil?, and then later the same brand might say
>>> ?Sunflower, Canola and/or other oils??whichever supplies and costs less
> at
>>> that time and I?d understand as ?not sunflower?. In dog food, for one
>>> couple of months, it might be chicken fat or something else that?s ok to
>>> metabolize. Then the next time you buy a big bag of the same flavor, it
>>> might have canola. That?s why to stay on top of the labels. Did you
> guys
>>> know that? It?s what we've found out once we got it home.
>>>
>>> But this is ok, because it?s good to cycle a dog?s food. Different
> meats,
>>> cycled on and off every few months gives dogs? immune systems variety and
>
>>> adaptation. Corn, soy and wheat aren?t things dogs metabolize well, and
>>> can lead to systemic inflamation and allergies, which are a result of it.
>
>>> That?s in a lot of the low grade commercial foods, as is ?fish or meat
>>> meal? instead of real meat or fish. I won?t gross you out on what can be
>
>>> in ?meal?. Unless you want to look up the five or more definitions of
>>> ?condemned animal?.
>>>
>>> So many names that harken ?the wild? or such terms are great marketing.
>>> But most dog food products are all made by a few companies. And we got
>>> curious after periodic food recalls of them to begin researching. In
> the
>>> past couple of years, we?ve arrived at using dry food from Acana. They
>>> are made by Orijen. Same little company, two products. Orijen is super
>>> high protein. If we buy it, we mix it with Acana, because protein alone
>>> isn?t great for kidneys. That?s why we like Acana. It?s a good mix.
> We?ll
>>> spend a bunch of money on it, but again, we won?t be surprised if not
>>> stressing our dogs systems on junky food costs the same or less than
>>> tearfully financing chronic or acute vet bills for broken down dogs in
> the
>>> long term.
>>>
>>> Then there?s raw. We give them a little raw morning and night. It might
>
>>> be Primal nuggets, but more lately we?ve given them chicken or other
>>> meats/organs. Just a little is great, like one or two tablespoons worth.
>
>>> In one day, ?dog breath? was cured, and their breath has been sweet ever
>>> since. And their teeth and gums began looking better over a longer term
>>> of it. We think it?s about the natural enzymes in raw food.
>>>
>>> On cycles: We?ll do chicken when it?s in the dry food chicken cycle.
>>> That?s a couple of big bags worth. Then we?ll get them off chicken when
>>> we switch to another flavor, etc. We?ll buy packages of organic boneless
>
>>> chicken breast for example.
>>>
>>> For possible concerns about chicken bacteria from processing plants,
> here?s
>>> what I do for preparing a bunch at once: I?d be content just to rinse
>>> well and freeze raw chicken, but my wife likes to be sure it?s clean.
> Not
>>> a big deal really, so I?ll clean the sink, cut open a bunch of packages
> in
>>> it, rinse all well, and then ziplock and throw in the freezer. Quick
>>> follow up scrub of sink again, wash hands, and we?re back in business.
>>> Bacteria attacks are rare. But my wife is more concerned. So to prepare
>
>>> a few days worth, I?ll just throw a frying pan with a quarter to half an
>>> inch of water on the stove, bring up to a quick boil, and drop two
> breasts
>>> in, either defrosted or frozen solid. It?s only the surface that would
>>> carry bacteria. Hot water, or the steam from it in a covered pan kills
>>> everything in seconds. Turn over with a fork, leave a few moments, and
> out
>>> they go. A few minutes of cooling, and ? Seared clean raw
>>> chicken?just like the high dollar tuna item in a restaurant! The girls
> go
>>> NUTS!
>>>
>>> I hope this contributes to your pups? well being. It really seems to
> show
>>> in our girls health.
>>> -Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>>>> 1. Gas attack! (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 2. More distractable when the seasons change (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 3. Re: More distractable when the seasons change (Tami Jarvis)
>>>> 4. Re: Gas attack! (Raven Tolliver)
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:20:42 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
>>>> Message-ID: <00ac01d21737$ff758e20$fe60aa60$@access.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying Krokus on a new food, Nature's Variety Instinct Rabbit.
>
>>>> It
>>>> doesn't seem to be agreeing with him; he has gas that could clear the
>>>> room.
>>>> For some reason, it seems to get worse as the day goes on-OK in the
>>>> morning,
>>>> deadly in the evening. I'm thinking of giving up the rabbit experiment.
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if it's a temporary thing that will pass as he adapts to
>>>> the
>>>> new food, or if rabbit is just not the thing for him. My feeble old
>>>> brain
>>>> can't recall previous experiences of this nature. Anyone have any
>>>> thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you hear on the news that a building near the UN was evacuated
> because
>>>> of
>>>> fears of poison gas, that will be us.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:50:21 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>>> Message-ID: <00b901d2173c$24074ae0$6c15e0a0$@access.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
>>>> couple
>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
>>>> and
>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice versa
>
>>>> in
>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0700
>>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] More distractable when the seasons change
>>>> Message-ID: <1e19e1a6-c496-bd33-f7ce-8119cc2fb570 at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> I notice that, too. Definitely, the cooler weather of fall is a real
>>>> pepper upper, and who knows what scents are hiding in all those leaves?
>>>> A good rain really brings out the aromas, requiring further
>>>> investigation. Then in spring when the snow melts away, it lets out all
>>>> sorts of new odors that have been hiding under there. That definitely
>>>> calls for a sniff fest! Some of the things that start to thaw out beside
>>>> the sidewalk are things I do *not* want to pull out of my dog's mouth,
>>>> but I seem to need to at least once a year. Ewww! Convincing the dog to
>>>> pass those things by is not easy, either.
>>>>
>>>> The funny thing is that I know this is going to happen, but it still
>>>> takes me by surprise. Hey! What's wrong with my dog? Oh, right. It's
>>>> just the season. /lol/ We work on it, and things get back to normal.
>>>> Until next time.
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On 09/25/2016 07:50 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Rachel commented that her new dog seems more distractable these last
>>>>> couple
>>>>> weeks, and she's taking steps to get her back on track. Krokus is more
>>>>> distractable now, too. In my experience, something about the change in
>>>>> seasons makes dogs more sniffy, or so it seems to me, especially Spring
>
>>>>> and
>>>>> Fall. Maybe it's that it's getting cool, after being hot, or vice
> versa
>>>>> in
>>>>> Spring, and it peps them up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:12:18 -0400
>>>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Gas attack!
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>>>> I'm not sure if you've fed him this brand of food, but it could either
>>>> be the rabbit protein or some other ingredient in that formula that's
>>>> causing tummy upset.
>>>> There's too many options to make him tough it out, and suffer the
>>>> smelly results.
>>>> Next food.
>>>> --
>>>> Raven
>>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>>
>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>>> have or what you do.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:41:55 -0500
> From: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] #HowISeeIt
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> https://www.facebook.com/james.alan.984/posts/10211381951931462
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> James Alan Boehm
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> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
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>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 6:40 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>> 1. Re: Making a dog vomit (Jean Menzies)
>> 2. Update on my pup (Marsha Drenth)
>> 3. Re: Making a dog vomit (The Pawpower Pack)
>> 4. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>> (Steven Johnson)
>> 5. Re: Update on my pup (S L Johnson)
>> 6. Re: Update on my pup (Marilyn tucci)
>> 7. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>> (NAGDU President)
>> 8. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>> (Marianne Denning)
>> 9. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>> (Steven Johnson)
>> 10. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>> (Marianne Denning)
>> 11. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>> (NAGDU President)
>> 12. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>> (NAGDU President)
>> 13. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016 (Sonja O)
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:33:38 -0400
> From: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
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> I think comfort animals are handled differently than service animals under
> the Air Carriers Act. It is sad that people are abusing a situation so they
> can take their pets on the planes instead of paying the transport fees.
> Maybe that isn't why they are considering changes either.
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Sonja O via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I think one of the issues is that people bring their comfort/"service"
>> turkeys, pigs, or turtles and what have you animals..
>> I have witnessed a situation where a lady insisted her chicken HAD to be
>> allowed on the plane, cause it was a "service chicken".
>> I was stunned by how helpless and clueless the employees of the airline
>> were and how forceful and assertive this lady. She kept threatening them to
>> sue them.
>> She ended up taking her chicken on the plane.
>>
>> Besides that, of course, the issue of untrained dogs, which are too
>> stressed and show aggressive behavior, release themselves on the plane,
>> bark or bother people, and and and.
>>
>> I'm attaching a link here - hope it's readable.
>>
>> http://qz.com/788461/new-rules-for-emotional-support-animals-on-flights/
>>
>> Hope we'll all find a good solution so everyone can be safe, especially
>> our dogs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Sonja and Chief :)
>>
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:03 AM, NAGDU President via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Marianne,
>>
>> The Americans with Disabilities Act does not apply to air carriers,
>> though it does apply to the terminals. Once one leaves the terminal and
>> boards the airplane, the law that governs the aircraft is the Air Carrier
>> Access Act (ACAA). The regulations are a little different under the ACAA,
>> as
>> it allows a broader range of animals and does not require training, as does
>> the ADA. We believe this is problematic, as there have been a number of
>> incidents in which an untrained comfort animal has become out of control on
>> an airplane, causing problems for other passengers and service animals. We
>> believe the regulations need to be amended so that a definition more
>> congruent with the ADA's implementing regulations are created. It is very
>> challenging, to say the least, to have an out-of-control animal in the
>> cabin
>> of a plane at 30,000feet!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
>> Denning
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:37 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>
>> I just read through these minutes. They are great minutes. I read the part
>> about proposed changes to the air carriers act. Would this be a violation
>> of
>> ADA? What type of documents are they talking about?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Sherrill O'Brien via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello to all,
>>
>>
>>
>> As NAGDU's secretary, starting this month, Marion has asked me to pass
>> along the monthly Board meeting minutes to both the NAGDU Leaders and
>> NAGDU mailing lists. You'll note that these are August minutes. No,
>> they're not hot off the press, since they first need to be approved by
>> the Board. But from now on, you'll receive the minutes following the
>> meeting at which they are approved. We hope that reading these will
>> help you stay informed about what's going on with our organization,
>> and nudge you to participate in our monthly teleconference Board
>> meetings. Who knows, maybe they'll inspire you to become a member of
>> NAGDU, get more active in your division, or even start the process of
>> forming a NAGDU division in your state!
>>
>>
>>
>> The minutes are pasted below my signature, and also attached.
>>
>>
>>
>> Warm regards
>>
>> Sherrill O'
>> Brien, Secretary
>>
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>
>> Board Meeting Minutes
>>
>> August 28, 2016
>>
>>
>>
>> Those Present:
>>
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>
>> Michael Hingson, Vice President
>>
>> Sherrill O'Brien, Secretary
>>
>> Toni Whaley, Treasurer
>>
>> Jimmy Boehm, Boared Member
>>
>> Aleeha Dudley, Board Member
>>
>> Jessica Snyder, Board Member
>>
>>
>>
>> The meeting was held via teleconference, and was called to order by
>> President Marion Gwizdala at 8:00pmEDT. As usual, this was an open
>> meeting, and we welcomed the following guests: Liz Campbell, Texas;
>> Lucy Marr, New York; Holly McKnight, Texas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Secretary and Treasurer's Reports
>>
>> A motion was made by Aleeha, seconded by Mike to approve the August
>> meeting minutes as emailed. The motion passed.
>>
>> Toni did not yet have a treasurer's report. She said there had been no
>> activity during August. We have fully paid all those to whom we owed
>> money for fundraising products.
>>
>>
>>
>> Committee Reports
>>
>>
>>
>> Social Media
>>
>> We currently have 112 followers on Twitter. Marion wants to have 150
>> by October. Jessica reported that we have 404 Facebook members.
>>
>> NAGDU Website
>>
>> Mike said that, in order to keep our website updated, we are now
>> paying our web developer Dave Schroeder the monthly $100 fee which the
>> Board approved.
>> Mike will make sure Dave sends an invoice to Toni, and that he copies
>> Marion and Mike. Marion said we need to send Dave a PDF copy of our
>> new brochure to download on our website. It will need to come from our
>> national office.
>> Marion is taking an online course from CAVI involving up-to-date
>> technical knowledge geared to blind people. This includes web
>> development, and audio essentials such as creating podcasts.
>>
>>
>>
>> NAGDU Information and Advocacy Hotline and Mobile App
>>
>> Sherrill volunteered to help Aleeha update the state access laws which
>> will eventually be downloaded on our NAGDU app. Marion said most of
>> our hotline calls are now being connected through the app.
>>
>>
>>
>> Old Business
>>
>> NAGDU SEMINAR
>>
>> James is the chair of the committee which is making plans for a
>> national seminar. Serving on the committee are Board members Mike and
>> Aleeha, as well as NYAGDU president Lucy Marr. James will resend the
>> minutes from their meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Convention Relief Area
>>
>> Aleeha said that Seeing Eye trainer Doug Bohl did not have any
>> suggestions for us regarding improvement of the relief area at our
>> national conventions.
>> We discussed having a variety of surfaces. There is a material which
>> can be put down which is permeable, thus preventing water from
>> accumulating. James suggested we consider a voluntary button on the
>> convention registration form, giving attendees the opportunity to
>> contribute to relief area supplies and cleanup.
>>
>>
>>
>> New Business
>>
>> Marion said our new Texas affiliate will hold a seminar just prior to
>> the NFB of Texas convention. TEXAGDU president liz Campbell then spoke
>> about their plans for the seminar, which will focus on rights and
>> responsibilities of guide dog handlers as well as education of local
>> business owners. She commended Norma Crosby, president of NFB's Texas
>> affiliate, for championing this seminar. It is hoped that it can serve
>> as a model for other NAGDU affiliates.
>>
>>
>>
>> New NAGDU Division
>>
>> Marion announced that Virginia will be chartering a NAGDU division at
>> their upcoming convention in November. Marion has been invited to
>> attend.
>> Michigan
>> also has a formal charter in place and will meet in November.
>>
>>
>>
>> D O T Proposing Changes to the Air Carrier Access Act
>>
>> Marion informed us that the Department of Transportation has formed an
>> accessibility committee to study several proposed changes which would
>> affect
>> those with disabilities who are traveling by air. One change would
>> impact
>> those with service animals. The proposal involves the necessity for
>> the presenting of documentation and/or answering a series of questions
>> when booking a flight. NFB's representative on this committee, and
>> thus NAGDU's as well, is NFB Board member Parnell Diggs. Parnell would
>> initially like to hear from NAGDU leaders, so a teleconference
>> dealing with this subject has been scheduled for Thursday, September 1
>> at 7pmEDT. Sherrill will send out an announcement about this meeting to
>> the leadership list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marion encouraged everyone to order a supply of our new brochures from
>> the Independence Market, especially with Meet the Blind month coming
>> up in October.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our next meeting will be held on Sept. 25.
>>
>> The meeting was adjourned at 9:18pm.
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully submitted
>>
>> Sherrill O'Brien, Secretary
>>
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> --
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>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> (513) 607-6053
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:10:48 -0500
> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul at raulgallegos.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] #HowISeeIt
> Message-ID: <D898511E-ECFB-41B3-A4EB-E8E347024842 at raulgallegos.com>
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> Hello. I am assuming that this is a link to your Facebook page about either a video or a post regarding this hot topic. I confess that I didn't go to it because generally it has been my experience that if an email is sent out with only a link and no text, it is a prime candidate for spam. Yes I know, I am paranoid.
>
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> ?Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.? ? David Thornburg
>
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>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Jimmy via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/james.alan.984/posts/10211381951931462
>>
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
>> Refer NFB correspondences to:
>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>>
>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 6:40 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>
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>>> 1. Re: Making a dog vomit (Jean Menzies)
>>> 2. Update on my pup (Marsha Drenth)
>>> 3. Re: Making a dog vomit (The Pawpower Pack)
>>> 4. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>> (Steven Johnson)
>>> 5. Re: Update on my pup (S L Johnson)
>>> 6. Re: Update on my pup (Marilyn tucci)
>>> 7. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>> (NAGDU President)
>>> 8. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>> (Marianne Denning)
>>> 9. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>> (Steven Johnson)
>>> 10. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>> (Marianne Denning)
>>> 11. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>> (NAGDU President)
>>> 12. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>> (NAGDU President)
>>> 13. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016 (Sonja O)
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:24:03 -0400
> From: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Changes to the definition of Service Animal under
> the ACAA
> Message-ID:
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> Thanks for this description. I will stand by what I said earlier that we
> will pay the price because the general public wants to avoid paying the fee
> to transport their pets.
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Jenine Stanley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for posting these minutes.
>>
>> I serve on the ACCESS Committee along with Mr. Diggs. I am representing
>> GDF and other guide and service dog schools.
>>
>> I would be happy to give anyone information about what is being proposed
>> and why.
>>
>> Let me start by explaining the current ACAA definition of service animal.
>> This definition includes animals that simply provide assistance through
>> their presence with no disability training requirements. these are called
>> Emotional Support Animals (ESAs). Technically all animals under the ACAA
>> must have some level of ability to behave in public but the reality is that
>> it?s hard to police and to avoid people like the woman with the chicken,
>> described on this list, who was very forceful about her *rights*, airline
>> staff tend to ignore things.
>>
>> Under the current ACAA definition of service animal , there are 3 sets of
>> animals that can fly, free of charge, as accommodations to someone?s
>> disability. Traditional service animals, guide, hearing, mobility and other
>> types of animals trained specifically to mitigate an aspect of a
>> disability, as well as having public access/exposure training, are allowed
>> to accompany passengers with no requirement of documentation or prior
>> notice.
>>
>> People who work with Psychiatric Service Animals, (PSAs) animals with
>> specific disability mitigation training to address mental health related
>> disabilities and with public access/exposure training, must provide a
>> letter including a diagnosis from the DSM4/5, on the stationary of a
>> qualified mental health professional no less than 48 hours prior to flight.
>> There are more specifics about this letter in the ACAA.
>>
>> ESA owners must also provide such a letter with the same information,
>> stating that the animal is necessary.
>>
>> Unfortunately, people trying to avoid the pet fees or just not
>> understanding the rules, and yes, not wanting to disclose their mental
>> health-related disabilities to their existing health care providers, can go
>> on line and find any number of doctors or organizations that will write the
>> requisite letters on their behalf. There are also people who will buy vests
>> and ID cards on line to avoid any of this and just call their animal a
>> ?service animal? meaning that it has some disability mitigation other than
>> for a mental health related disability.
>>
>> The system is broken. This negotiated regulation process was convened to
>> try to fix it, or at least come up with some new definition that wouldn?t
>> break it even further. In another post I will detail what is being proposed
>> and why.
>>
>>
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> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:55:00 -0500
> From: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> To: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul at raulgallegos.com>
> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] #HowISeeIt
> Message-ID: <5D1BC3F1-3E7B-4D40-8F63-3F98D9A07E9F at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Yes it is a link to my Facebook page. That message out to contain my personal contact information so it was not just a link. But I will be sure to put a little message before the link next time. Thank you for pointing that out to me you can never be too careful
>
> James Alan Boehm
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> Refer NFB correspondences to:
> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>
> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Raul A. Gallegos <raul at raulgallegos.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello. I am assuming that this is a link to your Facebook page about either a video or a post regarding this hot topic. I confess that I didn't go to it because generally it has been my experience that if an email is sent out with only a link and no text, it is a prime candidate for spam. Yes I know, I am paranoid.
>>
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> ?Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.? ? David Thornburg
>>
>> Voice/Text: 832.554.7285
>> Office: 832.639.4477
>> Personal Email: raul at raulgallegos.com
>> Work Email: training at raulgallegos.com
>> Twitter: @rau47 and @AT_Trainer
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Jimmy via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/james.alan.984/posts/10211381951931462
>>>
>>> James Alan Boehm
>>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
>>> Refer NFB correspondences to:
>>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>>>
>>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>>>
>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 6:40 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Send NAGDU mailing list submissions to
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>
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>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>> nagdu-request at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>> nagdu-owner at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of NAGDU digest..."
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: Making a dog vomit (Jean Menzies)
>>>> 2. Update on my pup (Marsha Drenth)
>>>> 3. Re: Making a dog vomit (The Pawpower Pack)
>>>> 4. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>>> (Steven Johnson)
>>>> 5. Re: Update on my pup (S L Johnson)
>>>> 6. Re: Update on my pup (Marilyn tucci)
>>>> 7. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>>> (NAGDU President)
>>>> 8. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>>> (Marianne Denning)
>>>> 9. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>>> (Steven Johnson)
>>>> 10. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>>> (Marianne Denning)
>>>> 11. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>>> (NAGDU President)
>>>> 12. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016
>>>> (NAGDU President)
>>>> 13. Re: NAGDU Board Meeting Minutes for August 28, 2016 (Sonja O)
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> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:31:49 -0700
> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> To: Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>, nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Training request, and (Jewel) Why a Silken Windhound?
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> Jewel!
>
> Great writing! You had me totally cracking up at the afghan story, and also how stupid the guy was, not realizing he was an inferior life form.
>
> We can write or talk on or offline about training, and perhaps I might benefit hearing about yours. Everyone, I still would like to hear about your successes, please share on or offline- specifically in harness-handle training when your dog had a curious nose. We?ve been on leash, and it?s time to harness. Metukah is going to have a challenge, because with my equilibrium, I catch myself stepping on her feet at least once or twice a day. So she keeps a little distance, which will have to close with a handle. I at least am learning to sense it and back off my foot and not crunch her. That?s progress. Handle will be good also because I?ll always know exactly where she is and won?t step on her anymore. Once we convince her she won?t get stepped on?Gotta get past that catch 22. Comments anyone? Time to get started. I need help.
>
> The breed: Because my dog is so slender and bony, it?s a process getting to the actual harness order with Julie but we are close, figuring out how to fit those narrow spaces. One photo below for anyone who can make it out is a shot on the beach, where we can tell how lanky this girl is. I know that having her only barely pull will solve a lot of my concern for ?dog breakdown? in harness, and it will be a softer harness. At that, the way I hold her in the photo significantly spreads her front legs at the chest, like double of actual width. These people are airblades. The whole front of dog is only 5.5 inches wide!
>
> Now, onto your message Jewel. For the rest of you, indulge if you want, from here on, but it?s me, talking about Silkens, and some photos if you can make them out. Yes Jewel, as we hear it, there was some distant sheltie influence way back in forming Silkens. As we understand it, however, how Silkens arrived was from Russian Borzoi breeders starting in the 80?s, combining long haired whippet with Russian Borzoi. The woman credited for it is a horse rancher/borzoi breeder from Texas named Francie Stull. We met her at a SilkenFest, which is an annual event. I asked her what on earth she was thinking, that a human could actually create angels. Francie, with perfect, crusty rancher voice: "Well, I wanted to shrink down the borzoi and take the bitch out of her, make a dog so gentle a child could force it into the corner, and the dawg would just lick-er?. A bit harsh, but hey, Texas.
>
> When we got the girls, a condition was that we had to show, and possibly let them run some races. We held to integrity, and did show at first, the first year as promised. Even did private training to show elegantly. We both seriously dragged our heels at that, but then I found it to be a fantastic puppy socializing and task forming discipline. For one thing, as you know there are huge amounts of dogs, hanging out between events in their standing X-pens, and also milling all around. Then, the silent line of dogs all together in a row on leash, before and soon into the ring. Then, to show, as you know there is a lot of training and focus required, and head up walking fast on that little slip know shoelace of a what is more a string than a leash. It turned out to be a perfect puppy socialization to stay on task and focus amidst a LOT of activity, noise and other dogs. That?s in any population. And some aren?t as nice as ours, even barkers and snarlers. Our girls bark once or twice a month. It?s been said, if you want a watchdog?don?t get a silken!
>
> But we only let the girls run once, and at no racing, and just solo, after a lure on the lure course, and just a straight line to the end of the football field, because we did not want to develop prey drive. We had the fun, then said ?ok, thanks? and never went back to that. Holy smokes, here's at what a flying silken looks like. It?s Kira. Her back feet have just left the ground:
>
>
> I loved your pillowcase story. What we tell people they are, depends on the situation, or their possible sense of humor. In this case, I?d say, Comfort Hound! Young Kira (my wife?s dog) and Metukah? his and hers dogs!! They are cousins, three months apart - their mothers are sisters.
>
> That?s me, under the puppy pile?I?ll never get up?
>
> Here?s my dad in L.A., napping. Hey, nice blanket...
>
>
> Heres?s 1 year old Metukah, tolerating being snatched up in my arms for a moment during a beach run with a bunch of other silkens in San Diego. She?s running like she?s on crack, and about to launch back into action. We have a joke around here (a few actually, because these people are Humor Hounds)! It goes like this?someone asks, ?Hey, wanna grab a drink after work?? We reply, ?No thanks, we have a couple of Long Necks waiting for us back home!?
>
> Ok, enough fun for now. Thanks for celebrating. Cheers!
> Peter
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:37 AM, Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Peter! According to Wikipedia, the Shetland Sheepdog [Sheltie] played a part in the creation of the
>> Silken Windhound. What a picturesque breed name!
>> I will be very interested in your training as, for many years, I owned, bred and showed Afghan
>> Hounds, another of the sight hound fraternity, both in conformation and in competitive Obedience.
>> The noted dog behaviorist, Stanley what was/is his last name? I have, temporarily, forgotten it:
>> Warren? fell off the radar as far as I was concerned when he rated Afghan hounds as being stupid
>> beyond belief when they refused to take part in the idiotic games that he set for them!
>> "You want me to do what?" get that piece of cheese from under that can?" It is no skin off my nose
>> if it stays just where it is, but if you want it, you get it as it was you who put it there in the
>> first place!"
>>
>> "You want me to get out of this pillowcase that you have stuffed me into? I admit that I did put up
>> a battle when being stuffed in, but now that I am here, I really find it quite comfortable, so I
>> will stay where I am if it is all the same to you, and if it isn't all the same to you, I really
>> don't give a rat's arse!"
>>
>> Jewel
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:10:41 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Training request, and (Jewel) Why a Silken
> Windhound?
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Peter.
> Would it be possible to acquire an offset harness handle? I found it
> helpful with one of my dogs, when I kept stepping on her. If you haven't
> seen an offset handle, it comes straight out a bit, takes a turn at a fairly
> sharp angle for a bit, then straightens out again. The upshot is that you
> can follow your dog, but she's a bit farther out to your side than she is
> with a plain, straight handle.
>
> Very interesting about your chosen breed, which I'd never heard of before.
> Tracy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:32 PM
> To: Jewel; nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Peter Wolf
> Subject: [NAGDU] Training request, and (Jewel) Why a Silken Windhound?
>
> Jewel!
>
> Great writing! You had me totally cracking up at the afghan story, and also
> how stupid the guy was, not realizing he was an inferior life form.
>
> We can write or talk on or offline about training, and perhaps I might
> benefit hearing about yours. Everyone, I still would like to hear about
> your successes, please share on or offline- specifically in harness-handle
> training when your dog had a curious nose. We've been on leash, and it's
> time to harness. Metukah is going to have a challenge, because with my
> equilibrium, I catch myself stepping on her feet at least once or twice a
> day. So she keeps a little distance, which will have to close with a
> handle. I at least am learning to sense it and back off my foot and not
> crunch her. That's progress. Handle will be good also because I'll always
> know exactly where she is and won't step on her anymore. Once we convince
> her she won't get stepped on.Gotta get past that catch 22. Comments anyone?
> Time to get started. I need help.
>
> The breed: Because my dog is so slender and bony, it's a process getting to
> the actual harness order with Julie but we are close, figuring out how to
> fit those narrow spaces. One photo below for anyone who can make it out is
> a shot on the beach, where we can tell how lanky this girl is. I know that
> having her only barely pull will solve a lot of my concern for "dog
> breakdown" in harness, and it will be a softer harness. At that, the way I
> hold her in the photo significantly spreads her front legs at the chest,
> like double of actual width. These people are airblades. The whole front
> of dog is only 5.5 inches wide!
>
> Now, onto your message Jewel. For the rest of you, indulge if you want,
> from here on, but it's me, talking about Silkens, and some photos if you can
> make them out. Yes Jewel, as we hear it, there was some distant sheltie
> influence way back in forming Silkens. As we understand it, however, how
> Silkens arrived was from Russian Borzoi breeders starting in the 80's,
> combining long haired whippet with Russian Borzoi. The woman credited for
> it is a horse rancher/borzoi breeder from Texas named Francie Stull. We met
> her at a SilkenFest, which is an annual event. I asked her what on earth
> she was thinking, that a human could actually create angels. Francie, with
> perfect, crusty rancher voice: "Well, I wanted to shrink down the borzoi
> and take the bitch out of her, make a dog so gentle a child could force it
> into the corner, and the dawg would just lick-er". A bit harsh, but hey,
> Texas.
>
> When we got the girls, a condition was that we had to show, and possibly let
> them run some races. We held to integrity, and did show at first, the first
> year as promised. Even did private training to show elegantly. We both
> seriously dragged our heels at that, but then I found it to be a fantastic
> puppy socializing and task forming discipline. For one thing, as you know
> there are huge amounts of dogs, hanging out between events in their standing
> X-pens, and also milling all around. Then, the silent line of dogs all
> together in a row on leash, before and soon into the ring. Then, to show, as
> you know there is a lot of training and focus required, and head up walking
> fast on that little slip know shoelace of a what is more a string than a
> leash. It turned out to be a perfect puppy socialization to stay on task
> and focus amidst a LOT of activity, noise and other dogs. That's in any
> population. And some aren't as nice as ours, even barkers and snarlers.
> Our girls bark once or twice a month. It's been said, if you want a
> watchdog.don't get a silken!
>
> But we only let the girls run once, and at no racing, and just solo, after a
> lure on the lure course, and just a straight line to the end of the football
> field, because we did not want to develop prey drive. We had the fun, then
> said "ok, thanks" and never went back to that. Holy smokes, here's at what
> a flying silken looks like. It's Kira. Her back feet have just left the
> ground:
>
>
> I loved your pillowcase story. What we tell people they are, depends on the
> situation, or their possible sense of humor. In this case, I'd say, Comfort
> Hound! Young Kira (my wife's dog) and Metukah. his and hers dogs!! They
> are cousins, three months apart - their mothers are sisters.
>
> That's me, under the puppy pile.I'll never get up.
>
> Here's my dad in L.A., napping. Hey, nice blanket...
>
>
> Heres's 1 year old Metukah, tolerating being snatched up in my arms for a
> moment during a beach run with a bunch of other silkens in San Diego. She's
> running like she's on crack, and about to launch back into action. We have
> a joke around here (a few actually, because these people are Humor Hounds)!
> It goes like this.someone asks, "Hey, wanna grab a drink after work?" We
> reply, "No thanks, we have a couple of Long Necks waiting for us back home!"
>
>
> Ok, enough fun for now. Thanks for celebrating. Cheers!
> Peter
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:37 AM, Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Peter! According to Wikipedia, the Shetland Sheepdog [Sheltie] played
>> a part in the creation of the Silken Windhound. What a picturesque breed
> name!
>> I will be very interested in your training as, for many years, I
>> owned, bred and showed Afghan Hounds, another of the sight hound
> fraternity, both in conformation and in competitive Obedience.
>> The noted dog behaviorist, Stanley what was/is his last name? I have,
> temporarily, forgotten it:
>> Warren? fell off the radar as far as I was concerned when he rated
> Afghan hounds as being stupid
>> beyond belief when they refused to take part in the idiotic games that he
> set for them!
>> "You want me to do what?" get that piece of cheese from under that
>> can?" It is no skin off my nose if it stays just where it is, but if
>> you want it, you get it as it was you who put it there in the first
> place!"
>>
>> "You want me to get out of this pillowcase that you have stuffed me
>> into? I admit that I did put up a battle when being stuffed in, but
>> now that I am here, I really find it quite comfortable, so I will
>> stay where I am if it is all the same to you, and if it isn't all the same
> to you, I really don't give a rat's arse!"
>>
>> Jewel
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
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