[NAGDU] training my own again

S L Johnson SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
Fri Apr 7 18:49:21 UTC 2017 

Rox:

You have me laughing at the description of Soleil as a coffee table with 
ears and a mouth.  You forgot to mention the tail which with a lab is always 
wagging.  I think it is great you were able to keep Laveau and Mill'e when 
they retired.

I really wanted to keep Tara when she retired.  Tara did live with me for 
six months but then I had reached the limit on my credit cards paying for 
her vet bills.  I could no longer afford to pay for her daily meds and her 
monthly shots and laser treatments.  I had no choice but to find her a 
loving home with someone who could afford to give her the cair she needs. 
Not a day goes by that I don't miss her terribly.  Eva misses Tara too. 
Instead of cuddling up with Tara she cuddles up as close to me as she can 
get.  Eva tries to get her life size golden puppy to play with her and is 
always leaving a few of her toys lying by the stuffed puppy's head.  I feel 
so bad for Eva when the stuffed puppy fails to play and Eva comes rubbing up 
to me with a pitiful whine.  Eva was so young at fourteen months when I 
brought her home  and I think she got a lot of comfort from Tara being with 
her.  Give Soleil, Laveau and Mill'e some extra hugs for me.

Sandra Johnson and Eva, the lonely golden

-----Original Message----- 
From: The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:05 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: The Pawpower Pack
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] training my own again

Yes, Laveau my Dobe mix and Origami dog is 25 inches and maybe 55 lbs on a 
fat day.  Most of it is leg and she honestly folds up better than my Lab 
Soleil who is 20 inches and the same weight, and who's build resembles 
nothing so much as a coffee table with ears... and a mouth because she's a 
lab.
They both fold up small, just differently. These dobes sound really neat 
though!


Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> My Doberman is about 26" tall and coming up on 60 pounds.  Yea!  she 
> finally filled out and gained some weight.  Anyway, it's pretty surprising 
> how small she can fold herself.
>
> I think it's important to consider your comfort level working a short or 
> tall dog.  Also are there other concerns that make a bigger, taller dog a 
> more practical solution?  And what type of transportation is being used. 
> For example, I rarely go anywhere by plan anymore, so a dog who can fit in 
> that cramped space isn't really important.  I do quite a bit of walking 
> though and a dog who can steady me on uneven terrain, ice and snow is a 
> serious help.  You gotta figure out what you need and want and then go for 
> it.
>
> Julie
>
>
>> On 4/5/2017 3:43 PM, Vivianna via NAGDU wrote:
>> Sandra,
>> yes, i think that the biggest boy would grow up to be to large for me. 
>> but, i currently am handling a 90 pound german shepherd with no problems 
>> so another 5 pounds wonâ?Tt make any difference.
>> i really prefer a dog that is 25 inches or taller myself no matter what 
>> the weight is.
>> and, yes, i do know of folks who have little tiny guides.  i know one 
>> woman who has an 18 inch tall 42 pound lab from seeing eye.  and, another 
>> who has a 18 inch 42 pound lab from GDB.
>> i wouldnâ?Tt even consider such a small dog myself.
>> luckily the dobies tend to like to curl up.
>> they did have a retired breeder there who is 30 inches at the shoulder 
>> and, he is one big guy.  no way would i want a dog that big.  lol.
>>
>> Vivianna
>>
>>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 3:05 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> My major concern would be the size and strength of these pups once they 
>>> are
>>> full grown.  Is it really practical for a woman to think of handling a
>>> hundred pound male Doberman?  There comes a point when dogs are just too 
>>> big
>>> and strong to be suitable as guide dogs.  You have to think of fitting 
>>> them
>>> into small cars, under seats on public transportation, under the table 
>>> in
>>> restaurants etc.  All this in addition to trying to train and control 
>>> such a
>>> large dog.  Some of you might think the size isn't an issue but we all 
>>> know
>>> how the transportation industry is constantly making our space smaller 
>>> and
>>> smaller all the time.  If you have noticed, the guide dog schools have 
>>> all
>>> begun to put out much smaller dogs in the past ten to fifteen years.  In 
>>> my
>>> forty years I have had a couple of large dogs and found them to be too
>>> difficult to handle and not easy to fit in small places.  All this being
>>> said, the decision is certainly up to you.  You would want to spend much
>>> more time with the pups before having to make your final decision.  It 
>>> is a
>>> good sign that they seemed to be able to remain calm when he shot the 
>>> gun
>>> and responded to your simple command to sit.  Is this the only breeder 
>>> or do
>>> you have other options?  Good luck with your decision.
>>>
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:12 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] training my own again
>>>
>>> I vote for the no tail girl. She sounds really sweet, and you said she 
>>> had a
>>> calm temperament. Of course you havenā?Tt been able to do a lot of 
>>> other
>>> testing on any of them. Still, I just really like the sound of her. This 
>>> is
>>> my uneducated, scientific opinion.
>>>
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>
>>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:05 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Vivianna <irishana at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] training my own again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, well, hereā?Ts the puppy story.
>>> So, i went to see the puppies yesterday.  These are european dobermans, 
>>> and,
>>> iā?Tll tell you guys, these are some big dogs.  they look very 
>>> different
>>> from the american doberman that i worked with for 10 years.  the bone on
>>> these guys is amazing, the muscle is heavy, the muzzle is shorter and 
>>> much
>>> wider, the head is broader, well, the entire dog is broader.
>>> the breeder pulled out a gun and shot it right there and the pups 
>>> didnā?Tt
>>> even look.  heh.  they were all running around in an open field and, 
>>> when
>>> they came to me they were very calm.  no licking, biting my hands, 
>>> jumping,
>>> barking etc.
>>> there were 2 boys but, i think that 1 will be to big.  he will prob 
>>> reach 29
>>> or 30 inches and be 100 pounds easy.  the other boy was tall but not as
>>> heavy.  he will prob reach 28 29 inches and 90 pounds or so.
>>>
>>> there was3 girls, 1 the breeder thought would have to much drive.  the 
>>> one
>>> that came to me right away, even before playing with the other pups was 
>>> very
>>> stout and heavily boned but will prob only be around 24 inches at the
>>> shoulder, but, the vet screwed up her tail and, she has no tail at all. 
>>> the
>>> 3rd girl did not come up to me until i was there a long time but, she 
>>> was
>>> calm when she did, she will prob be 24 26 inches and slightly longer 
>>> body
>>> than the no tail girl.
>>> they all have very solid temperaments, no quivering, barking, etc.  they
>>> have been kennel raised and not in the home.  the place was brand new, 
>>> clean
>>> and pretty fancy.
>>> i did get to meet the parents and they were some big dogs.  lol.
>>> every one of the pups would sit and stay sitting when i asked them to 
>>> with a
>>> push on their butts.
>>> but, iā?Tll tell you, the paws on those boy pups were twice the size of 
>>> my
>>> 88 pound GSD.  lol.
>>> itā?Ts super hard to choose but, i tentatively chose the smaller boy. 
>>> but,
>>> i do like the no tail girl too.  lol.  she kept coming up to me instead 
>>> of
>>> playing with the other puppies.  i know that they say not to let stuff 
>>> like
>>> that sway you and go by temperament but, itā?Ts so hard to tell.  lol.
>>> Well, there you go.  Any comments welcome.
>>>
>>> Take care;
>>> Vivianna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Mardi Hadfield via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Vivianna, When I house broke Sedona, I just took her out side to the 
>>> same
>>> place every time and waited until she went. I would then say good potty 
>>> and
>>> give her a treat. I gave her a chance to sniff the area but kept her in
>>> that area. It did not take long for her to get the idea. I now just open
>>> the door and let her out in my vast fenced yard and she heads to the 
>>> back
>>> yard to do her thing. I kept her crated when I could not watch her in 
>>> the
>>> house and she did occasionally pee in the crate if I did not get her out 
>>> in
>>> time. She will whine and bark to let me know she wants out. so it is  up 
>>> to
>>> me to get her out in time.    Hope this is helpful.    Mardi and
>>> Shaman,retired and Neechee,GD and Sedona,GDIT.    PS  Shaman was 10 
>>> months
>>> old when I rescued him from a shelter. He had no training whatsoever. I 
>>> did
>>> the same thing I did with Sedona when House breaking and he was house
>>> broken in 3 weeks with no accidents.  He learned every thing pretty 
>>> fast.
>>> He had not been socialized but he did learn that while he was being 
>>> trained
>>> as I worked in dog friendly places as well as people places, like 
>>> shopping
>>> malls.After he was attacked several times he became dog reactive and I 
>>> did
>>> work through it, but ended up using an electric collar to get him over 
>>> his
>>> reactivity. Nothing else had worked  so I chose to use that method and 
>>> It
>>> only took 2 zaps and he no longer had a problem. I don't think the age 
>>> that
>>> I started his training had anything to do with his reactive problem . I
>>> think it was just his personality, and the fact that he was socialized 
>>> at a
>>> later age ,and the E collar was the only thing that helped shape that 
>>> part
>>> of his personality.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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