[NAGDU] service animals

Mon Apr 24 13:22:58 UTC 2017

Each state has its own legislation. Some states may have legislation that
is more liberal than the ADA but I would be very careful travelling with
any animal other than a dog or horse.

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> That animal is not a service animal really in the manner in w hich service
> animals is defined. It is an emotional support animal. I shouldn't think
> that it would be according to code if any dog was running around the
> restaurant.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hicks via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:16 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Bob Hicks <bob at seeinghandassociation.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] service animals
>
> Hi. Our favorite restaurant has a couple with a small pet which they refer
> to asn a service animal helping the lady to cope with anxiety.  I told the
> owner, who frequently makes over my black lab from Pilot dogs that it is
> not
> a service animal in the same sense as my Susie.  Is a small dog in a
> sweater, no leash nor harness, allows to run all over the restaurant
> actually a "service animal"?  thanks
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Bob Hicks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:21 AM
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> Subject: [NAGDU] service animals
>
> a question of curiosity...I know of service dogs and guide horses, are
> there
> any other service animals, that is to say animals that would fit the
> definition of service animal, individually trained for a task or tasks that
> mitigate a disability?
>
> I used to hear of Capuchin monkeys (sorry for spelling) trained as service
> animals though that seems not to  be talked about much any more.
>
> Take care and enjoy the day.
>
> Dan and service dog, Parker--smile
>
>
>
>
> On 4/22/2017 11:28 PM, Wayne & Harley via NAGDU wrote:
> > *Hello Mr. Gwizdala,
> > Respectfully, I must disagree with regards to using Service Animal.
> > It's too misleading.
> > I believe, and think that we should be more plain spoken and use
> > Service Dog. That, however, is merely my own opinion.
> >
> > Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
> >
> >
> > Wayne M. Scace
> >
> > *On 4/14/2017 10:30 AM, NAGDU President via NAGDU wrote:
> >> I am in agreement with Cindy. I missed this part when reading the
> >> measure. I believe it is a good practice for us to make sure
> >> legislation uses consistent terminology and that terminology should
> >> be "service animal" in all access legislation.
> >>
> >> Fraternally yours,
> >> Marion
> >>
> >>
> >> Marion Gwizdala, President
> >> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
> >> Federation of the Blind
> >> (813) 626-2789
> >> President at NAGDU.ORG
> >>
> >>
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> >> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
> >> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is
> >> not what holds you back.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> >> via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:44 AM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> Cc: Cindy Ray
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] HB2992
> >>
> >> I suppose leaving it alone is a good method, but one concern I have
> >> about it is that it says "assistance" or "service" animal. So what is
> >> the difference?
> >> Does assistance mean as an emotional support dog? If it does, then
> >> what's to say the lady could say the dog was such a dog and take it
> >> on Amtrack?
> >> Cindy Lou Ray
> >> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU
> >> President via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:40 AM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: NAGDU President <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] HB2992
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >>     When the Florida bill was first introduced, we neither opposed
> >> nor supported it. I did express my opinion that the law was
> >> unenforceable; however, I do believe it could have a deterrent
> >> effect. I know of at least one instance in which a woman at my church
> >> told me she would be traveling on Amtrak and taking her dachshund,
> >> telling Amtrak it was a service dog.
> >> I told
> >> her about the state law and she said she would rethink her decision.
> >> She ended up leaving her dog at home with her daughter.
> >>
> >>     I would leave this up to each affiliate to decide; however, I
> >> don't think there is any harm in such a law and we should follow the
> >> Florida affiliate's lead and neither oppose nor support it. Even as a
> >> deterrent, it could be helpful but, at least, is not harmful like
> >> some other bills we have seen introduced.
> >>
> >> Fraternally yours,
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >>
> >> Marion Gwizdala, President
> >> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
> >> Federation of the Blind
> >> (813) 626-2789
> >> President at NAGDU.ORG
> >>
> >>
> >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> >> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> >> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
> >> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is
> >> not what holds you back.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
> >> Johnson via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:32 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Cc: Julie Johnson
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] HB2992
> >>
> >> Well, it's a nice idea, but the big problems I see with it are:
> >> 1.  who decides if a person has a disability?  remember we are
> >> talking about every conceivable disability, not just blindness.
> >> 2. who decides if the dog is task trained?  Again, we are talking
> >> about all disabilities and all types of service dogs.  People with
> >> seizures don't have them on cue to demonstrate the dog's skills.
> >>
> >> A law like this, while well intention, is for all practical purposes
> >> unenforceable as written.  It further has the potential to
> >> significantly violate any privacy disabled people have regarding their
> disability.
> >> I know
> >> blind people don't have an issue with the privacy part, but other
> >> groups of disabled folks absolutely do.  How about a veteran with
> >> post traumatic stress disorder having to explain the death and mayhem
> >> he witnessed and the effects on his life to a clerk at the grocery
> >> store.
> >>
> >> Maybe this was covered in the law in some way that protects disabled
> >> folks from being questioned everywhere we go and maybe there are
> >> provisions to address the privacy concerns.   I didn't go read the
> >> proposed law in it's entirety.
> >>
> >> Julie
> >> On 4/14/2017 7:12 AM, Howard J. Levine via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>              By: Neave H.B. No. 2992
> >>>
> >>>              A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
> >>>         AN ACT
> >>>         relating to assistance animals used by persons with
> >>> disabilities
> >>>      and to the prosecution of the offense of misrepresenting an animal
> >>>      as an assistance animal.
> >>>             BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
> >>>             SECTION 1.  Section 121.002(1), Human Resources Code, is
> >>>      amended to read as follows:
> >>>                   (1)  "Assistance animal" and "service animal" mean a
> >>>      canine that is specially trained or equipped to do work or perform
> >>>      tasks to help a person with a disability and that is used by a
> >>> person
> >>>      with a disability.
> >>>             SECTION 2.  Section 121.006, Human Resources Code, is
> >>>      amended by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (a-1) to
> >>>      read as follows:
> >>>             (a)  A person commits an offense if the person fits an [who
> >>>      uses a service] animal with a harness, collar, vest, sign, tag, or
> >>>      leash of the type commonly used by persons with disabilities
> >>> who use
> >>>      trained animals so that the person can gain access, permission, or
> >>>      benefits provided to persons with disabilities who use assistance
> >>>      animals by representing[, in order to represent] that the [his or
> >>>      her] animal is a specially trained service animal or assistance
> >>>      animal when training has not in fact been provided or is not being
> >>>      provided
> >>>      .
> >>>             (a-1)  An offense under Subsection (a)[,] is [guilty of] a
> >>>      misdemeanor punishable [and on conviction shall be punished] by:
> >>>                   (1)  a fine of not more than $300; and
> >>>                   (2)  30 hours of community service to be performed
> >>> for a
> >>>      governmental entity or nonprofit organization that primarily
> >>>      serves persons with visual impairments or other disabilities, or
> >>>      for another entity or organization at the discretion of the court,
> >>>      to be completed in not more than one year.
> >>>             SECTION 3.  The changes in law made by this Act to Section
> >>>      121.006, Human Resources Code, apply only to an offense committed
> >>>      on or after the effective date of this Act. An offense committed
> >>>      before the effective date of this Act is governed by the law in
> >>>      effect when the offense was committed, and the former law is
> >>>      continued in effect for that purpose. For purposes of this
> >>> section,
> >>>      an offense was committed before the effective date of this Act if
> >>>      any element of the offense occurred before that date.
> >>>             SECTION 4.  This Act takes effect September 1,
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
> >>> Brannan
> >> via
> >>> NAGDU
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:13 AM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> Cc: Buddy Brannan
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] HB2992
> >>>
> >>> <broken_record>
> >>> I think this bill, well intentioned as it is, and as most of this
> >>> sort do, is coming at the issue from the wrong angle, judging only
> >>> by your summary
> >> of
> >>> it.
> >>> </broken_record>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 14, 2017, at 1:55 AM, Jessica N. Naert via NAGDU
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Some of us have discussed this a little bit before. On Monday in
> >>>> Texas,
> >> HB
> >>> 2992 is going to committee to be discussed. Victoria Neave's office
> >> authored
> >>> this bill. Here is what it hopes to accomplish:
> >>>> Would provide that a person commits a misdemeanor offense when they
> >>> falsely represent their animal as a service animal in order to gain
> >> access,
> >>> permission, or benefits reserved for people with disabilities who
> >>> use service animals. False representation would occur when a person
> >>> fits an animal with a harness, collar, vest, sign, tag, or leash of
> >>> the type commonly used by service animals when the animal has not in
> >>> fact been specially trained.
> >>>> For the actual language of the bill:
> >>>> http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/85R/billtext/html/HB02992I.h
> >>>> tm
> >>>>
> >>>> What do you all think?
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