[NAGDU] service animals
d m gina
dmgina at mysero.net
Tue Apr 25 02:20:12 UTC 2017
Original I have a question, if this is the case for the lady, what
gives her the rite to let the dog run around.
A leash is for all rite?
Drives me crazy when this happens, hard to keep my own dog in control
as well as someone elses loll.
message:
> It might be. If the lady's anxiety is to the level to be considered a
> disability and if the dog has been individually trained to assist her,
> then yes, it's a service animal.
> Here's the thing though, it doesn't matter if it is a service dog or
> not. The dog is not within her control. It is interfering with the
> normal flow of business. It's behavior is clear grounds for asking her
> to remove the dog.
> We don't need to evaluate every person and dog team we meet and decide
> whether or not the person actually has a disability. We don't need to
> be intrusive about what the dog does. We don't need to see the dog
> performing disability related tasks. If the dog is acting a mess, then
> it goes. End of story.
> Julie
> On 4/24/2017 8:15 AM, Bob Hicks via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hi. Our favorite restaurant has a couple with a small pet which they refer
>> to asn a service animal helping the lady to cope with anxiety. I told the
>> owner, who frequently makes over my black lab from Pilot dogs that it is not
>> a service animal in the same sense as my Susie. Is a small dog in a
>> sweater, no leash nor harness, allows to run all over the restaurant
>> actually a "service animal"? thanks
>> Have a great day!
>> Bob Hicks
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:21 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] service animals
>> a question of curiosity...I know of service dogs and guide horses, are there
>> any other service animals, that is to say animals that would fit the
>> definition of service animal, individually trained for a task or tasks that
>> mitigate a disability?
>> I used to hear of Capuchin monkeys (sorry for spelling) trained as service
>> animals though that seems not to be talked about much any more.
>> Take care and enjoy the day.
>> Dan and service dog, Parker--smile
>> On 4/22/2017 11:28 PM, Wayne & Harley via NAGDU wrote:
>>> *Hello Mr. Gwizdala,
>>> Respectfully, I must disagree with regards to using Service Animal.
>>> It's too misleading.
>>> I believe, and think that we should be more plain spoken and use
>>> Service Dog. That, however, is merely my own opinion.
>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
>>> Wayne M. Scace
>>> *On 4/14/2017 10:30 AM, NAGDU President via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> I am in agreement with Cindy. I missed this part when reading the
>>>> measure. I believe it is a good practice for us to make sure
>>>> legislation uses consistent terminology and that terminology should
>>>> be "service animal" in all access legislation.
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion
>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
>>>> Federation of the Blind
>>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>>>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is
>>>> not what holds you back.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:44 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] HB2992
>>>> I suppose leaving it alone is a good method, but one concern I have
>>>> about it is that it says "assistance" or "service" animal. So what is
>>>> the difference?
>>>> Does assistance mean as an emotional support dog? If it does, then
>>>> what's to say the lady could say the dog was such a dog and take it
>>>> on Amtrack?
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU
>>>> President via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:40 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: NAGDU President <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] HB2992
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> When the Florida bill was first introduced, we neither opposed
>>>> nor supported it. I did express my opinion that the law was
>>>> unenforceable; however, I do believe it could have a deterrent
>>>> effect. I know of at least one instance in which a woman at my church
>>>> told me she would be traveling on Amtrak and taking her dachshund,
>>>> telling Amtrak it was a service dog.
>>>> I told
>>>> her about the state law and she said she would rethink her decision.
>>>> She ended up leaving her dog at home with her daughter.
>>>> I would leave this up to each affiliate to decide; however, I
>>>> don't think there is any harm in such a law and we should follow the
>>>> Florida affiliate's lead and neither oppose nor support it. Even as a
>>>> deterrent, it could be helpful but, at least, is not harmful like
>>>> some other bills we have seen introduced.
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
>>>> Federation of the Blind
>>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>>>> people
>>>> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what
>>>> holds
>>>> you back.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>>> Johnson via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:32 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] HB2992
>>>> Well, it's a nice idea, but the big problems I see with it are:
>>>> 1. who decides if a person has a disability? remember we are
>>>> talking about
>>>> every conceivable disability, not just blindness.
>>>> 2. who decides if the dog is task trained? Again, we are talking
>>>> about all
>>>> disabilities and all types of service dogs. People with seizures
>>>> don't have
>>>> them on cue to demonstrate the dog's skills.
>>>> A law like this, while well intention, is for all practical purposes
>>>> unenforceable as written. It further has the potential to significantly
>>>> violate any privacy disabled people have regarding their disability.
>>>> I know
>>>> blind people don't have an issue with the privacy part, but other
>>>> groups of
>>>> disabled folks absolutely do. How about a veteran with post traumatic
>>>> stress disorder having to explain the death and mayhem he witnessed
>>>> and the
>>>> effects on his life to a clerk at the grocery store.
>>>> Maybe this was covered in the law in some way that protects disabled
>>>> folks
>>>> from being questioned everywhere we go and maybe there are
>>>> provisions to address the privacy concerns. I didn't go read the
>>>> proposed law in it's entirety.
>>>> Julie
>>>> On 4/14/2017 7:12 AM, Howard J. Levine via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> By: Neave H.B. No. 2992
>>>>> A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
>>>>> AN ACT
>>>>> relating to assistance animals used by persons with
>>>>> disabilities
>>>>> and to the prosecution of the offense of misrepresenting an animal
>>>>> as an assistance animal.
>>>>> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
>>>>> SECTION 1. Section 121.002(1), Human Resources Code, is
>>>>> amended to read as follows:
>>>>> (1) "Assistance animal" and "service animal" mean a
>>>>> canine that is specially trained or equipped to do work or perform
>>>>> tasks to help a person with a disability and that is used by a
>>>>> person
>>>>> with a disability.
>>>>> SECTION 2. Section 121.006, Human Resources Code, is
>>>>> amended by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (a-1) to
>>>>> read as follows:
>>>>> (a) A person commits an offense if the person fits an [who
>>>>> uses a service] animal with a harness, collar, vest, sign, tag, or
>>>>> leash of the type commonly used by persons with disabilities
>>>>> who use
>>>>> trained animals so that the person can gain access, permission, or
>>>>> benefits provided to persons with disabilities who use assistance
>>>>> animals by representing[, in order to represent] that the [his or
>>>>> her] animal is a specially trained service animal or assistance
>>>>> animal when training has not in fact been provided or is not being
>>>>> provided
>>>>> .
>>>>> (a-1) An offense under Subsection (a)[,] is [guilty of] a
>>>>> misdemeanor punishable [and on conviction shall be punished] by:
>>>>> (1) a fine of not more than $300; and
>>>>> (2) 30 hours of community service to be performed
>>>>> for a
>>>>> governmental entity or nonprofit organization that primarily
>>>>> serves persons with visual impairments or other disabilities, or
>>>>> for another entity or organization at the discretion of the court,
>>>>> to be completed in not more than one year.
>>>>> SECTION 3. The changes in law made by this Act to Section
>>>>> 121.006, Human Resources Code, apply only to an offense committed
>>>>> on or after the effective date of this Act. An offense committed
>>>>> before the effective date of this Act is governed by the law in
>>>>> effect when the offense was committed, and the former law is
>>>>> continued in effect for that purpose. For purposes of this
>>>>> section,
>>>>> an offense was committed before the effective date of this Act if
>>>>> any element of the offense occurred before that date.
>>>>> SECTION 4. This Act takes effect September 1,
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>>>>> Brannan
>>>> via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:13 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Buddy Brannan
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] HB2992
>>>>> <broken_record>
>>>>> I think this bill, well intentioned as it is, and as most of this sort
>>>>> do, is coming at the issue from the wrong angle, judging only by your
>>>>> summary
>>>> of
>>>>> it.
>>>>> </broken_record>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2017, at 1:55 AM, Jessica N. Naert via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Some of us have discussed this a little bit before. On Monday in
>>>>>> Texas,
>>>> HB
>>>>> 2992 is going to committee to be discussed. Victoria Neave's office
>>>> authored
>>>>> this bill. Here is what it hopes to accomplish:
>>>>>> Would provide that a person commits a misdemeanor offense when they
>>>>> falsely represent their animal as a service animal in order to gain
>>>> access,
>>>>> permission, or benefits reserved for people with disabilities who use
>>>>> service animals. False representation would occur when a person fits
>>>>> an animal with a harness, collar, vest, sign, tag, or leash of the
>>>>> type commonly used by service animals when the animal has not in fact
>>>>> been specially trained.
>>>>>> For the actual language of the bill:
>>>>>> http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/85R/billtext/html/HB02992I.htm
>>>>>> What do you all think?
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