[NAGDU] Apprentice Instructor

Buddy Brannan buddy at brannan.name
Tue Aug 8 14:09:47 UTC 2017


Sorry Wayne, have to disagree with you re: an instructor on class has to see what's going on. See other comments on how this was handled by people who are smarter than I am. 

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> On Aug 8, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Wayne & Harley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> *Hi Cindy,
> It is, most probably a health and safety issue that the school's insurance company would balk at.
> Yes, the blind can train their own Guide Dog, but when training a team, being able to see what's going on with the team would be vitally important. I've Owner Trained three Guide Dogs. Two of which went on to work for friends of mine. Both of my friends were experienced Guide Dog Owners and while we worked tandem a time or two. They were pretty much on their own out on route. We would be talking constantly, but I couldn't see everything that was going on with the other team, I was busy working a green as grass dog myself.
> Besides, once the initial harness training was done, my friends took on the responsibility of final polishing of that dog's training, akin to what every school grad does when they get home. Polishing and customizing how they and the dog work together.
> Would I do something like that again? Maybe...
> 
> Your Mileage May Vary
> 
> Wayne And Harley D
> *On 8/6/2017 3:05 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
>> I have to wonder why an instructor could not be blind. After all, we have
>> blind people training their own dogs who are blind. What would the real
>> difference be? I used to feel as you do, Sandra, but I'm not so sure I do
>> now.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:00 PM
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>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apprentice Instructor
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>> Hello:
>> 
>> I do think the schools should consider hiring blind people as training
>> assistants.  However, a blind person could not be a full instructor.  The
>> instructors have to be able to see what is happening with the students and
>> dogs.  It would be a question of safety.
>> 
>> Sandra
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 3:32 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Buddy Brannan
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apprentice Instructor
>> 
>> GDB had a pilot program that they set up to fail once. Otherwise, none of
>> the schools would even think about hiring a blind apprentice...they might
>> then have to think about graduating one to a full instructor,
>> and...well...we just can't have that.
>> 
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>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Haylie Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone know if any of the guide dog schools have ever hired a a blind
>>> apprentice instructor?  If so, which ones?  I am thinking about being a
>>> guide dog instructor is why I am asking.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Haylieof
>>> 
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