[NAGDU] Service dog license

Daryl crazymusician at shaw.ca
Sun Feb 12 17:34:46 UTC 2017 

Buddy, I have not lived in British Columbia in over a decade. You can come to Alberta. :-) we have a service dog ID card here, but only accredited teams can get one, so honestly nobody bothers asking for it. :-) you and your pup are welcome here to hang out with me and Jenny anytime.

On February 12, 2017 9:56:04 AM MST, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>Sorry Daryl, guess I'm not taking my mere owner trained common dog to
>BC to visit you. :( 
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>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Daryl via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gary. British Columbia has passed the legislation. Nova Scotia has
>also started their legislation as well, but it is not currently in
>force. British Columbia is the only province that currently has an
>active and very well publicized ID card process. I visited there last
>year, and at one point was very rudely and publicly demanded for my
>dog's ID card. Because I had taken a last minute trip there and did not
>currently have the British Columbia ID card (they can issue temporary
>cards to visitors), and discovered to my horror that I didn't have the
>school's current ID card, I was denied access to a restaurant. I
>contacted the government about this experience, and was told that
>because I did not present current ID that the restaurant was within
>their rights to deny me service. They did not address the public
>embarrassment of being demanded across a bar for the paperwork. That
>bugged me more than the access refusal itself, but they didn't seem to
>care that I was publicly demanded for it.
>> 
>> On February 11, 2017 10:54:00 PM MST, Gary Steeves via NAGDU
><nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Daryl what province is it in
>>> 
>>> On February 11, 2017 9:09:40 PM PST, Daryl via NAGDU
><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I live in Canada, and one of our provinces has enacted such a law.
>>> It's
>>>> honestly been incredibly frustrating. People who live there have
>told
>>>> me that just by going about their business with their service dogs,
>>>> they are asked for identifying documents several times a day. One
>has
>>>> even told me that she is reluctant to leave her house with her
>service
>>>> dog because she gets asked for paperwork so frequently. They have
>not
>>>> addressed the issue of owner trainers, or visitors to the province.
>>> For
>>>> example, if I travel there on a family emergency, I can pre apply
>for
>>> a
>>>> temporary ID card. This greatly restrict the movement of Canadian
>>>> citizens, which is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. If
>you
>>>> are getting asked for ID when you buy alcohol or verify your ID
>when
>>>> writing checks, it's because everybody gets ask for that
>information.
>>>> You personally are not targeted.
>>>> 
>>>> On February 11, 2017 10:02:11 PM MST, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dar,
>>>>> Apologies, I forgot about those groups, didn't intend to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have to show ID when I go to get alcohol though...  and for
>things
>>>>> like writing checks and verifying my identity at the airport...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wouldn't something like this help with 'fakers'? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder if there could even be some sort of accreditation process
>>>> that
>>>>> you could go through if you owner  trained or had somebody help
>you
>>>>> train your dog to a group like IAADP?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 11:54 PM, Daryl via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can't speak for anybody else, but as for myself I have big
>>>> problems
>>>>> with such an idea. It makes people with disabilities who use
>service
>>>>> dogs targets for anybody who wants to see identifiable
>information.
>>>>> Yes, to drive a car you need a license. But you are only requested
>>> for
>>>>> that license if you are driving erratically. Also, if a person
>>> chooses
>>>>> to owner train their dog, or if they're disability makes owner
>>>> training
>>>>> the only viable option, they are at a distinct disadvantage.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On February 11, 2017 9:46:58 PM MST, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>> So I'm going to make you mad at me but I don't
>>>>> understandsomething...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you have to get a license to drive why not one for a guide
>dog.
>>>>>>> I know that people who were glasses are supposed to have their
>>>>> picture
>>>>>>> taken with her glasses on and I guess I wonder why he could not
>be
>>>>>>> something like that but for us with our dog?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know figuring out how to come up with some sort of database of
>>>>>>> accredited schools and then how to figure out how to make sure
>>>> these
>>>>>>> places are accredited would be a process but I guess I kind of
>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>> if having it on something that already exists and is already
>>>>> official
>>>>>>> wouldn't that make it easier?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I mean, if I have to go get a new ID when I move wouldn't it
>make
>>>>> sense
>>>>>>> to just go get a new ID with your picture of you and your
>partner
>>>> in
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> that way?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm not trying to ignite a fire storm or anything I just don't
>>>>> really
>>>>>>> understand why this is such a big deal. I understand the need
>for
>>>>>>> privacy but I'm not even really saying that you have to say on
>>>> there
>>>>>>> why you have the dog I guess I really just kind of would think
>>> that
>>>>> if
>>>>>>> they could get accredited schools in a database and then the DMV
>>>>> could
>>>>>>> choose the school you went to given on some sort  of letter or
>>>>>>> something, why is that bad???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just trying to understand.
>>>>>>> 
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