[NAGDU] WAS: Service dog license, IS:All in the family....

Mon Feb 13 04:19:14 UTC 2017

I agree with all this. When we get the dog, first timers are learning the
technique of using their dog and they are learning about the dog. The dog is
having its finals. Then when we go home, we use what techniques we learned,
or the ones we refreshed while at the schools, to refine our dogs and mold
them into the dog we want. We have the raw materials that we are working
with--our dog, what we know about it, and our own ability. The training is
never done, and as owners, we sure are training our dog to be what we want
it to be.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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Wayne,

Right on! In fact, what do we really learn at guide dog schools? I believe
two things. First we learn how to become dog trainers. Second, we learn how
to build and lead affective teams. 

Best Regards,

Michael Hingson

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Time to throw a fox amongst the hens... AKA: Some food for thought....You do
all realize that ALL Service Animal Owners, even programme graduates, are
Owner Trainers to some degree, don't you? By virtue of the customizing of
how you and your dog work together after returning home from being on class.
The maintenance and extension of what your dog does while guiding you. Think
about it, do you call your programme for every little hiccup between you and
your guide? Do you have a trainer following you around 24/7? No, of course
you don't.  You rely on your experience,  and the tools taught to you by
your programme. Sure, not everyone wants to, or is capable of going whole
hawg and going the whole nine yards to train your own Guide from scratch,
but you're still part of the Owner Trainer family. ...The lines have blurred
a bit for you haven't they?  Muwahahaha!!!!

Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,

Wayne M. Scace 

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For the millionth time, it is not the service dog that has access it is the
disabled handler!

It is the person with a disability that has access with a service dog. When
someone has a so-called fake service dog it is not the dog that is the fake
it is the handler faking a disability.

Jody

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603 757-9933

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> On Feb 12, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> The ADA does not provide for any service dog user being required to 
> have a special license. This is right for many reasons. First, 
> licensing requirements would necessarily be varied depending on the 
> animal service requirements. What a dog does for us as blind people is 
> by definition not the same as what a seizure animal does. A dog that 
> helps someone with diabetes also is different in its service. How would
one create a "license"
> for all purposes?
> 
> Second, having a license to drive a car by definition is not at all 
> the same as what we encounter having service animals. Also, drivers 
> licenses vary from state to state. Do you get a license to go out into 
> the world when you graduate from high school or college? No. You get 
> an acknowledgement that you have received training through your diploma,
but that is not a license.
> 
> Third, as others have said, we are potential targets with so-called 
> licenses.
> 
> Finally, in the case of counterfeit service animals the burden should 
> be on non-service animal owners to prove that their animals should be 
> out in public.  All animals owned by humans, at least in most states, 
> are or are supposed to be licensed. Isn't that enough?
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> Michael Hingson
> 
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> VanderBrink via NAGDU
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> Cc: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Service dog license
> 
> I'm going to have to admit my ignorance on the subject, can you tell 
> me what the ADA  says about that?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 12:05 AM, William Vandervest via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> while i personally support the idea of having service animal i d's,
> federal law prohibits them being required
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> timelord09 at comcast.net
>> 
>> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See
>> 
>> William and Leader Dog Lynerd
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 23:46
>> To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu
>> Cc: Nancy VanderBrink
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Service dog license
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> So I'm going to make you mad at me but I don't understandsomething...
>> 
>> If you have to get a license to drive why not one for a guide dog.
>> I know that people who were glasses are supposed to have their 
>> picture
> taken with her glasses on and I guess I wonder why he could not be 
> something like that but for us with our dog?
>> 
>> I know figuring out how to come up with some sort of database of
> accredited schools and then how to figure out how to make sure these 
> places are accredited would be a process but I guess I kind of wonder 
> if having it on something that already exists and is already official 
> wouldn't that make it easier?
>> 
>> I mean, if I have to go get a new ID when I move wouldn't it make 
>> sense to
> just go get a new ID with your picture of you and your partner in it 
> that way?
>> 
>> I'm not trying to ignite a fire storm or anything I just don't really
> understand why this is such a big deal. I understand the need for 
> privacy but I'm not even really saying that you have to say on there 
> why you have the dog I guess I really just kind of would think that if 
> they could get accredited schools in a database and then the DMV could 
> choose the school you went to given on some sort  of letter or something,
why is that bad???
>> 
>> Just trying to understand.
>> 
>> vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com
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