[NAGDU] Religious Issue

Thu Feb 16 19:18:38 UTC 2017

Another option would be to attach a bag dispenser to your dog's
harness or leash. I'm not sure if this would be acceptable or not...
but just a thought. Then at least you could pick up, even if you had
to leave the bag there, or come back and get it later.

Danielle and Thai

On 2/16/17, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Moshe.
> Thanks for the explanation.  Very interesting.
>
> Could you leave a baggy dispenser out on the porch, say?  Then the bag
> would
> already be outside.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Moshe Segal via
> NAGDU
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> Cc: Moshe Segal
> Subject: [NAGDU] Religious Issue
>
> To clarify the rules and clear misunderstandings:
>
>
> Whoever says it is not permitted to feed one's dog on the Sabbath is wrong.
> A person is allowed, and even required to feed any animal that belongs to
> him/her or whom he/she is responsible for its support.  It is only not
> allowed to feed wild animals who do not have owners, but even there an
> exception exists in the case of dogs.  In general, whether on the Sabbath
> or
> weekdays, one is always required to feed one's animals before feeding
> oneself.  Of course one is not allowed to cook, kill animals, pick fruits
> or
> vegetables or grass, or do any of the activities that are already forbidden
> to feed humans or animals, but there is nothing wrong with filling a bowl
> with dog food from a container.
>
>
> In the case of relieving, the problem is not taking them out, but picking
> up
> after them, which involves carrying a pickup bag and carrying it outside,
> used or unused.  When I talk of controlling it, I mean that I try to
> accustom the dog to go in a place that it is least offensive to leave the
> waste.
>
>
> As far as the prohibition of carrying things from point A to Point B, that
> only applies outside.  You can carry things around in your home or in a
> building the whole day.  Even outside, it is possible to have a structure
> called an Eruv, to permit carrying within its boundaries.
> Orthodox Jews generally have many children, and tend to their needs within
> the parameter of the rules of what activities are permitted.  In the
> absence
> of an Eruv, however, those that cannot walk cannot be carried, and a parent
> has to stay home or get a babysitter.  Flushing is not a problem, probably
> because is causing the water and what is in it to exit the house in an
> indirect way, and the pipes may be considered an enclosed area.
>
>
> With regard to eyeglasses, they are worn, not carried.  A person is
> expected
> to wear clothing, and even in some cases jewlry, and most things are
> permitted.  The dog, who we are not allowed to make violate the Sabbath, is
> not carrying the harness because he is wearing it, and the leash is
> attached, and I am holding at at one end.
>
>
> In conclusion, I would address certain comments.  Personally, with regard
> to
> others, my attitude is live and let live, provided that each is respectful
> of the other's position.  As far as religion being at fault for the evils
> of
> the world, in my mind it is often the practitioners and sometimes the
> teachers who give interpretations that were not intended.  Most religious
> laws, whatever the creed may be, are intended to promote harmony with the
> world, and good relations between human beings.  With regard to Orthodox
> Judaism, we believe that the laws, whether scriptural in origin, or
> legislated by the legal system that scriptures establish, are commanded or
> sanctioned by God, and following His orders super cedes any human laws that
> may contradict them, though there is a Talmudic  injunction to follow the
> law of the land, provided it is not in direct opposition to Jewish law.  It
> would be similar to following the orders of a CEO over a contradicting
> instruction of a supervisor.  Although most of the laws may and should be
> broken in life-threatening situations, there are three cardinal
> prohibitions
> that we are required to give our lives rather than violate, and any of the
> others likewise if the motive of the person threatening is to divert us
> from
> the faith.
>
>
> That said, I hope I am ready to discuss matters regarding guide dog use and
> ownership that are not connected with religion. Regards.
>
>      Moshe
>
>
>
>
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