[NAGDU] update on me

andrew edgcumbe rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 20 22:53:25 UTC 2017 

well first off I don't really have really any blind friends there is no
blind clubs or anything there is just not much in way of blind people but
anyway back to o andm. I have trouble finding people even who will even
take me out and things and when i get discourraged then i loose modivation
in fact i been really sad lately and things. i been frusterated i just want
to get o ut instead of being trapped and want to be able to go for walks
soon and things like that.  I really shouldn't be in my appartment all the
time. I really don't know what to do and it is hard for myself to think
through these things. I don't really have any connections with blind people
i don't really have any real blind friends stuff like that. i wish i did
but unfortinately i don't. It really doesn't work for me to learn eyephone
on my own i am not a self learner just is not the way i function or
opperate. I would learn things better if somebody was to sit down with me
and stuff like that. I really not a self learner and not the type to learn
on my own i would rather sit down with somebody else andthings. that is
just way i am.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi Andrew, Amanda, and all,
> I want to chime in here and would like to make a few general comments,
> meant as encouragement for anyone struggling with their travel skills or
> others.
> You do not necessarily need a sighted person to teach you everything. If
> you know the basics of cane travel, you can start by just walking around
> the block, or even up and down your driveway. Take note of what you
> consistently come across, and slowly expand the area you know. As Cindy
> said, it’s generally safe to cross a street when the traffic is moving that
> is going in a parallel line to your direction.
>      Sighted people don’t need a manual to know how to teach you. All they
> need to tell you is what’s around you: coffee shops, stores, other
> businesses, you get the idea. Slowly, you can ask them to stay behind you
> and only intervene if you are in danger or have gotten really lost.
> I know that training isn’t an option for everyone, it can be expensive and
> funding can be hard to come by, but that is also an option if you can get
> it. Training was the best thing that has ever happened to me, and I am so
> grateful that I took the time to do it.
> Andrew, regarding the iPhone and other devices, there are a ton of
> resources online, including videos on YouTube, podcasts, etc, that can
> teach you how to use a smartphone. And, best of all, many are free!
> I hope that some of what I have said helps you in some way. Keep trying,
> and don’t forget that blind friends can also be a fantastic resource. One
> does not need to see to help.
>
> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > So until you can get into the program, when the woman can work with you,
> > work on a route and then try it by yourself in the interim. It is scary
> at
> > first, but the pride that comes from having done it is just immense. I
> > remember when Jet, my black lab, could no longer work. I needed to walk
> to
> > the bank, or go there somehow. I began coming up with all kinds of
> excuses
> > why I couldn't do it, and pretty soon I didn't. I began to realize that
> they
> > were borne of fear. So I decided one day I was just going to do it. I
> did,
> > and I was a little afraid, but I got there and back, and I really felt
> like
> > dancing.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:
> nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham
> > via NAGDU
> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:37 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com <mailto:markham73 at gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >
> > I use a cane. Worked at a training center for the blind for 9 months in
> > 2009. Up until then, I lived in a strictly residential area and wasn't
> > tought lighted intersections. I cross them now, but it needs work. After
> I
> > left the center, I had an instructor that only could work with me once a
> > week and I started only working  small routs.
> > Recently we've been working on city bus travel. But she says that it'll
> be a
> > couple weeks before she can work with me again. So this is why I'd like
> to
> > do the O and M training at leader dogs. Jump starts early work and I can
> > work everyday instead of once a week. I do live with my mother who is
> > sighted but she  cannot stand for long periods or walk long distances
> > because of her knees. Last May she had knee replacement surgery.
> >
> > On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> >> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:48 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >>
> >> i am not amanda but i will answer same questions for myself I don't
> >> have much in way of sited friends myself how can some body who is
> >> sited tell you what todo iActually, I think Gary had good suggestions.
> >> They are probably way better than the ones I gave.
> >> Cindy Lou Ray
> >> cinddyray at gmail.com
> >> f they have not delt with blind  people in orientation. Is there any
> >> kind of book or tips we can give those e helping us learn roots to
> >> things? also like what is the trick to learning things to crossing
> >> streets can this be done without an o and m instructor.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any mobility
> >>> and do you use a white cane? You don't need a professional to help
> >>> you with it really. I hope you will really benefit from that Leader
> >>> course, but it is too bad you can't do that because you need constant
> >> practice to get better.
> >>> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from a
> >>> little bit of experience.
> >>> Cindy Lou Ray
> >>> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
> >>> Markham via NAGDU
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >>>
> >>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is why
> >>> I have to get help this way.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
> >>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
> >>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
> >>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call places
> >>>> to see where they are. You might want someone to go with you at
> >>>> first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal help. For
> >>>> instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the traffic is
> >>>> paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful about turning
> >>>> vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you self-actuate
> >>>> the light. You have to learn where the ones that get you across
> >>>> your
> >> preferred street are.
> >>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
> >>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
> >>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
> >>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
> >>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a couple
> >>>> or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them trail you
> >>>> so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
> >>>> Eventually, you
> >>> would o how to get there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >>>>
> >>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know the
> >>>> streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool or
> >>>> anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me. The
> >>>> cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it seems
> >>>> hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
> >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
> >>>>> helpful to you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
> >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
> >>>>>> actually it
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
> >>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
> >>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
> >>>>>> come.  I am from
> >>>> ontario canada.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
> >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
> >>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says there
> >>>>>>> schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before her or
> >>>>>>> one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She very
> >>>>>>> strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
> >>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
> >>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is an
> >>>>>>> option available to me because this will be a week long training
> >>>>>>> with work
> >> every day.
> >>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work with
> >>>>>>> the instructors here, they can only work with a client once a week.
> >>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
> >>>>>>> Amanda Markham
> >>>>>>>
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