[NAGDU] update on me

Tue Feb 21 18:31:41 UTC 2017

ok excuse me! I don't know why the words fell off but!....
It should read: they eventually closed 2 of my favorite
landmarks/stops. THANK YOU!!!

On 2/21/17, Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cindy, I agree with you here. I boohooed for about 8 months about the
> new mall and how massive it was and hard to navigate since the spaces
> are wide open and the acoustics bounce off of everything and it seemed
> even the smells were masked when I moved the South part of town. I was
> so used to the old mall. So my mate gave a listening ear and that was
> it. Well, Christmas came around and it was time to go shopping so one
> day I packed up the toddlers and we just got in the cab and went to
> the mall. I found what I needed by asking lots of questions and
> entering a few wrong stores but I got my shopping done and after that
> day it was no longer a fear factor! Only disappointment was they
> eventually closed rite landmarks/stops; the Disney Store and KB Toys!
>
> On 2/21/17, Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 			So ask them. You need to know specifically what they want you to do
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:34 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>
>> That's the thing. They didn't mention anything specifically.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So when they said that your mobility skills weren't good enough, what
>>> did
>>> they cite as examples. It really makes me wonder.
>>> Cindy
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
>>> Markham via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:04 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>>
>>> I'm definetly not afraid. I've been walking up to my local Wallgreens
>>> which is two blocks from my house and includes one lighted intersection.
>>> I've done this 3 times in one week. I went with my fiancé Jeff who's
>>> also
>>> a cane user. I did the walk once with him because my hearing was a bit
>>> off
>>> from the cold I had. Since then, I've done this rout twice by myself
>>> with
>>> no issue. Next, I plan to expand walking to a plaza a mile away. Will
>>> start this next week. Would like to cover the Wallgreens rout a few more
>>> times with Jeff walking a little distance behind so he can see how I'm
>>> doing.
>>>
>>>> On 2/20/17, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Andrew, Amanda, and all,
>>>> I want to chime in here and would like to make a few general
>>>> comments, meant as encouragement for anyone struggling with their
>>>> travel
>>>> skills or others.
>>>> You do not necessarily need a sighted person to teach you everything.
>>>> If you know the basics of cane travel, you can start by just walking
>>>> around the block, or even up and down your driveway. Take note of
>>>> what you consistently come across, and slowly expand the area you
>>>> know. As Cindy said, it’s generally safe to cross a street when the
>>>> traffic is moving that is going in a parallel line to your direction.
>>>>     Sighted people don’t need a manual to know how to teach you. All
>>>> they need to tell you is what’s around you: coffee shops, stores,
>>>> other businesses, you get the idea. Slowly, you can ask them to stay
>>>> behind you and only intervene if you are in danger or have gotten
>>>> really
>>>> lost.
>>>> I know that training isn’t an option for everyone, it can be
>>>> expensive and funding can be hard to come by, but that is also an
>>>> option if you can get it. Training was the best thing that has ever
>>>> happened to me, and I am so grateful that I took the time to do it.
>>>> Andrew, regarding the iPhone and other devices, there are a ton of
>>>> resources online, including videos on YouTube, podcasts, etc, that
>>>> can teach you how to use a smartphone. And, best of all, many are free!
>>>> I hope that some of what I have said helps you in some way. Keep
>>>> trying, and don’t forget that blind friends can also be a fantastic
>>>> resource. One does not need to see to help.
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So until you can get into the program, when the woman can work with
>>>>> you, work on a route and then try it by yourself in the interim. It
>>>>> is scary at first, but the pride that comes from having done it is
>>>>> just immense. I remember when Jet, my black lab, could no longer
>>>>> work. I needed to walk to the bank, or go there somehow. I began
>>>>> coming up with all kinds of excuses why I couldn't do it, and pretty
>>>>> soon I didn't. I began to realize that they were borne of fear. So I
>>>>> decided one day I was just going to do it. I did, and I was a little
>>>>> afraid, but I got there and back, and I really felt like dancing.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:37 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:markham73 at gmail.com>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>>>>
>>>>> I use a cane. Worked at a training center for the blind for 9 months
>>>>> in 2009. Up until then, I lived in a strictly residential area and
>>>>> wasn't tought lighted intersections. I cross them now, but it needs
>>>>> work. After I left the center, I had an instructor that only could
>>>>> work with me once a week and I started only working  small routs.
>>>>> Recently we've been working on city bus travel. But she says that
>>>>> it'll be a couple weeks before she can work with me again. So this
>>>>> is why I'd like to do the O and M training at leader dogs. Jump
>>>>> starts early work and I can work everyday instead of once a week. I
>>>>> do live with my mother who is sighted but she  cannot stand for long
>>>>> periods or walk long distances because of her knees. Last May she
>>>>> had knee replacement surgery.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>>>>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:48 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i am not amanda but i will answer same questions for myself I don't
>>>>>> have much in way of sited friends myself how can some body who is
>>>>>> sited tell you what todo iActually, I think Gary had good
>>>>>> suggestions.
>>>>>> They are probably way better than the ones I gave.
>>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>>> cinddyray at gmail.com
>>>>>> f they have not delt with blind  people in orientation. Is there
>>>>>> any kind of book or tips we can give those e helping us learn roots
>>>>>> to things? also like what is the trick to learning things to
>>>>>> crossing streets can this be done without an o and m instructor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any
>>>>>>> mobility and do you use a white cane? You don't need a
>>>>>>> professional to help you with it really. I hope you will really
>>>>>>> benefit from that Leader course, but it is too bad you can't do
>>>>>>> that because you need constant
>>>>>> practice to get better.
>>>>>>> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from
>>>>>>> a little bit of experience.
>>>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
>>>>>>> Markham via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
>>>>>>> why I have to get help this way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
>>>>>>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
>>>>>>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
>>>>>>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
>>>>>>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
>>>>>>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
>>>>>>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
>>>>>>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
>>>>>>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
>>>>>>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
>>>>>>>> you across your
>>>>>> preferred street are.
>>>>>>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
>>>>>>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
>>>>>>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
>>>>>>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
>>>>>>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a
>>>>>>>> couple or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them
>>>>>>>> trail you so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
>>>>>>>> Eventually, you
>>>>>>> would o how to get there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>>>>>>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know
>>>>>>>> the streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool
>>>>>>>> or anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me.
>>>>>>>> The cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
>>>>>>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
>>>>>>>>> helpful to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
>>>>>>>>>> actually it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
>>>>>>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
>>>>>>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
>>>>>>>>>> come.  I am from
>>>>>>>> ontario canada.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
>>>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
>>>>>>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
>>>>>>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
>>>>>>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
>>>>>>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
>>>>>>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
>>>>>>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is
>>>>>>>>>>> an option available to me because this will be a week long
>>>>>>>>>>> training with work
>>>>>> every day.
>>>>>>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work
>>>>>>>>>>> with the instructors here, they can only work with a client once
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
>>>>>>>>>>> Amanda Markham
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Thank you and warmest regards,
>>>>> Amanda markham
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