[NAGDU] trip

Wed Jan 18 15:46:28 UTC 2017

I agree with the theory that you don't want to worry about what people
think. As for using the GL and other such equipment, it can harm, but people
have to learn to use it correctly. I know this from experience.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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Original She works well with the gentle leader on, for the most part minds
her own business.
She still will want to go sniff people who might be guiding me to a car.
The ice is bad, so I hang on to someone to keep steady on my feet.
Her pull is gentle where other wise she is unreal.
Even wearing the prong collar she listens to the gentle leader.
I just want to get threw security with out her having problems with
security.
message:
> Dar:

> That is one of my main objections to the gentle leader.  They look too
much
> like a muzzle.  That makes people think your dog is dangerous and
> aggressive.  Over the years during training when they show the class how
to
> use one of the head collars, I always firmly and respectfully say I
disagree
> with that piece of equipment and refuse to put one on my dog.
Fortunately
> my dogs have all been quiet gentle easy to control female golden
retrievers
> so the trainers let me get away without using it for those training
> sessions.  Not all schools insist on everyone using one but some schools
> insist that you do it for a couple of sessions while on class.  I think
they
> are cruel and too much like a muzzle.  Also I heard of cases where a dog
> wearing a head collar lunged or jumped and the handler pulled back on the
> leash seriously injuring the dogs neck.  I would never restrict my dog
like
> that.  If a dog cannot be controlled by the usual collar and leash, then
> maybe it is not the right dog for that handler or maybe that dog was not
> trained as well as it should have been.  This is just my own opinion and
we
> all have the right to use whatever we want to use on our dogs.  The big
> problem is that no matter what we or our dogs do, the public will always
> have something to say about it.  I have a problem when I have to fly
because
> Eva is nervous and will lye by my feet shaking the entire time.  The
flight
> attendants were very understanding but some of the passengers said I was
> cruel to travel with her if she is afraid to fly.  It did not do me any
good
> when I tried to explain that I did not know she was afraid until I got on
> that plane.  I think I agree with Julie, we just cannot worry about what
> other people will think.  Have a fun and safe trip.

> Sandra and Eva

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> My concern is when you go threw security with the gentle leader on is when
I
> would get the questions.
> I don't want the dog taken away from me. This has happened before.
> Truly scary.

> Dar
> Every Saint has a past,
> Every sinner has a future, Sent from my iPad

>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Julie J. via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>> The hands free leash would work in this situation, but a lot of other
>> leashes would as well.  It's really up to you, what you like, what works
>> for you in any particular situation.  If you have things to carry and are
>> concerned you might drop the leash, then the hands free is a good
>> failsafe. even if you let go, you are still connected.  Just to clarify,
>> you can certainly hold on to the hands free leash, to know what your dog
>> is doing or to give a correction.  It just gives you the added option of
>> not having to hold on to it.

>> As for the gentle leader and what people might think...people are going
to
>> think whatever they are going to think and I have found little rhyme or
>> reason to it.  I've gotten the tisk tisk when my dog stops at the top of
>> stairs, because obviously she is being stubborn. I've gotten the "oh
isn't
>> she adorable", when she doing a particularly enthusiastic and overly
>> friendly greeting, that has me dying of embarrassment.  I've pretty much
>> given up trying to guess what people will think.  I try to remind myself
>> that my job is to get where I'm going, safely, efficiently and while
>> keeping my dog functioning respectably.  So if the gentle leader works
for
>> you, if it keeps her on task, if it keeps your stress level down, if it
>> keeps you working more safely together, then use it.

>> As for airport assistance...if you want help ask when you arrive at the
>> first airport.  They will flag your name so on all connecting flights you
>> will continue to get help with connections or whatever you need.  Or at
>> least that is what is supposed to happen.  If you don't get the
assistance
>> you need, continue to ask, explaining gently but firmly what you want
>> until you get it.   You are a strong lady who advocates well for
yourself.
>> You'll be fine.

>> Have fun!
>> Julie
>> -----Original Message----- From: d m gina via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 5:49 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: [NAGDU] trip

>> Hello
>> I am excited to take a trip in February.
>> I will be going by united landing in Denver and moving on to Arizona.
>> My question is this,
>> I am concerned if I use the gentle leader that would help me someone
>> would think the dog bites and I won't be able to take the dog.
>> Second if I am walking her in a heal I don't want her to keep sniffing
>> folks that is one of the reasons why I like to control her head.
>> She doesn't bite, where this will be her first flight with me after
>> coming home from the school a year ago.
>> I didn't have these problems with other dogs, so this is why I ask.
>> Julie would this be where I would or could use the hands free leash?

>> We have a three hour waight in Denver, how do I go about getting help
>> to take her out.
>> Would you have to go threw security again? Or has this changed?
>> I am flying alone that day so have many questions.
>> My other dogs could hold well, but don't know about her.
>> Just some thoughts.
>> Thanks, I just hate a big deal over everything. It is crazy I know.
>> Thanks,

>> --
>> --Dar
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