[NAGDU] Ownership and why people chose a particular school

[S L Johnson]

Wayne:

Now that has changed.  I got a dog from Leader in January 2000  and we were 
given ownership upon graduation.  I wonder why they changed it.  If they 
wait for a year then they could take a dog for any reason and the graduate 
would not have any rights to fight that decision.

Sandra

-----Original Message----- 
From: Wayne And Harley via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:09 PM
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Hello Sandra, A Leader Allumnus here...The last I heard was, that Leader 
granted ownership automatically after one year.
Caveat: Your Mileage May VaryÂ


Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,

Wayne M. ScaceÂ

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Date: 1/19/2017  09:36  (GMT-06:00)
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Ownership and why people chose a particular school

Tara:

When I got my first dog in 1976 I really did not know anything about guide
dog schools.  I assumed they were all the same.  A couple of months after
returning home with Hogan, a male golden, I had some health issues.  Hogan
was a really fast walker and hard puller.  The diagnosis of multiple
sclerosis meant that my left arm was weak and I would occasionally drag my
left foot causing me to trip.  I fell a few times with him.  I was 
observed
by a few other nosey blind people and one very rude O&M instructor.  They
reported me to the guide dog school and suddenly without notice a trainer
showed up at my door and took my dog.  It took an attorney and my doctors
and physical therapists quite a fight to get the dog returned to me.  This
should never happen to any graduate of a guide dog school.  Once Hogan
retired I made sure to only attend schools that granted me ownership.  As
far as I know GDF and Seeing Eye grant ownership.  Leader used to but I do
not know if that is still the case or not.  My current dog Eva is a golden
from Pilot and I was granted ownership upon graduation.

Sandra and Eva

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tara Wiseman via NAGDU
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:20 PM
To: Bryan Gearry via Nagdu
Cc: Tara Wiseman
Subject: [NAGDU] Ownership and why people chose a particular school

Hi all! I have been enjoying this discussion about owner ship. I have always
been passionate about wanting to own my own dog. However, after high school
I wanted to get my guy dog before I started college. Although I want to go
to the Seeing Eye, I could not go there before my first semester of college.
Therefore, I went to guide dogs for the blind even though I was not given
ownership of my dog. For me, that was a good decision. I work with my first
guide until 2009. Upon her retirement, I went to the Seeing Eye and I know
on my dog. I was curious why those of you on this list chose your particular
schools. Was the ownership question important to you? If you chose a 
school

That did not grant you ownership, even though you felt you should be given
it, what was your reason? I am interested in the idea that if the consumer
wants ownership we should let that be known and only go to schools that give
ownership. How do you guys think that consumers without opinion should go
about making the change? My understanding is, please correct me if I'm
wrong, that's the majority of schools maintain some sort of ownership of the
dog. So it seems to me that the simple with just sticks of supply and demand
mean that some of us who feel strongly about on your own dogs are going to
have to go to schools that don't let us on our own dogs if we want to have a
guy dog. I'm interested in everybody's thoughts! My husband, at the age of
13, got his service dogs from canine companions for Independence. They did
not give him ownership of his dog until he retired it. That attitude makes
me so angry! However, for Tyler he simply doesn't find it a big deal. I also
appreciated the person who talked about the reason for not granting
ownership is to maintain control over what is an expensive investment.
Although I don't agree with that, I thought that was probably the primary
reason that the schools do not grant ownership. I look forward to everyone's
thoughts!
TaraCheck out my podcast found at:abilitystories.podbean.com and on iTunes
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