[NAGDU] Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel to the E.U.
Michael Forzano
michaeldforzano at gmail.com
Fri Jul 7 00:20:49 UTC 2017
Hi Peter,
Thanks for posting this. I just returned from two EU trips where I
chose not to bring my dog, mainly because I didn't really investigate
the paperwork that was needed and was concerned about access issues.
It would have been really helpful to have her, so it's good to know
this is doable for next time. How did you manage parking your dog
while traveling? I noticed that a lot of the airports in the EU
(Amsterdam, Paris, Rome etc.) are pretty large. I suppose I would just
need to ensure enough time during layovers, as I could see it taking a
while to find a place, then go back through security again for my next
flight.
Mike
On 7/6/17, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thanks Peter, that's very helpful.
> The USDA guidance, and the official vet, say that overnight, tracked
> delivery, to the USDA office is fine, no physical visit required. Which
> is
> good, since it's about a 5-hour train trip each way.
> Tracy
>
>
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> E.U.
>
> Hey Tracy.here's my cue.
>
> For any of you traveling to E.U., we've just returned from a 3 week trip.
> We're fresh on the procedure.
>
> Here is what you need.
>
> Step one: A vet health checkup. Check with the vet whether the exam for
> health cert has to currently be within 30 days or 10 days of departure. It
> is usually likely 10 days before leaving.
>
> This can't be just any vet. It has to be with a vet who is certified by
> USDA to do the checkup according to their standards and fill out their
> specific paperwork. They are called a "USDA certified vet". So check with
> your clinic to make sure of the vet you see has this certification, or
> you'll have to be referred to a clinic who has one on staff.
>
> Step two: This vet should provide all of the necessary forms. The
> paperwork is called "3rd party USDA International Health Certificate". You
> will also hear the term "EU Pet Passport". That's something else, not for
> us as citizens or people originating travel from the U.S. It is for EU
> citizens, and can only be produced by a vet in the EU. If you travel
> frequently, yes, you too can get an EU Pet Passport - but you have to get
> it
> there in the EU from an EU vet. The only advantage is that the Pet
> Passport
> is good for three months of travel in both directions. But only if you
> travel often to warrant it, because you have to get it over there, and it
> costs more too. By the way, even though you have to have your USDA
> departure paperwork certified by USDA within ten days of leaving, it is
> good
> for three months for returning to the U.S.
>
> Ok, back to us. If you still want your vet to do the certificate, and
> they
> won't provide it, then, call your local USDA / APHIS office to see if they
> can get you the forms. You should question it however, if your vet cannot
> provide the paperwork, because it is about ten pages long, and involved.
> If
> this vet isn't familiar enough to generate a set of paperwork, I would
> suggest seeing a different vet. They should know how to generate the
> paperwork, because they would have done it often enough to know what they
> are doing. You don't want clerical mistakes by not getting the right
> thing,
> or losing a part of it, or something missing: Or when you get to step
> three, which is taking the papers to USDA for "validation", they won't do
> it.
>
> Also, you should know that different vets charge different fees as they
> wish. We happen to use a very big vet that is a whole emergency hospital
> with about 15 vets on staff. They cost more than other vets in the area,
> but we use them because we think they are the best. They actually told us
> that while they would be happy to do the exam and paperwork, that smaller
> vets could do the exam, and we'd pay less. But then there's the above, and
> they had all our records on file. You could keep yours in a folder and
> manage them yourself if you want to save the 40 bucks or whatever the
> difference is.
>
> Step three: You go online to find a USDA / APHIS office at city near you,
> and book an appointment in advance. You have to physically go there and
> hand them the paperwork. They don't take walk ins. Your paperwork has to
> be certified within ten days of departure. It's kind of a joke. You just
> paid a bunch of extra money for a USDA exam with a certified vet.and now
> you
> are going to burn a day taking the certificate to USDA. A desk vet will be
> there, who will look at your papers, then stamp them as real and valid.
> They don't want you to bring the animal, unless of course you need to work
> with it that day.
>
> Ok. What to bring to USDA:
>
> a) The USDA paperwork above.
> b) At least two copies of a current rabies certificate.
>
> Now, what else to bring - for the trip overseas itself:
> a) All of the things above.
> b) Also bring a copy of your dog's training certification, or certificate
> of
> graduation, or whatever they provided. They don't have ADA over there.
> About half of the time, you will be asked for any or all of these
> documents,
> as well as to see the USDA health certificate and/or your your dog's
> training program cert. Always remember, you keep your documents. They are
> to show for proof and validation by anyone who asks, but you keep the
> documents! Sometimes, you won't be asked. But count on this. Depending
> on
> which country you enter first from the U.S., they will examine your dog's
> documents thoroughly on entry, or not. Of course, just like if you put up
> a
> tarp it won't rain. remember if you don't come prepared, you will be
> asked.And when you get back into U.S. Customs, they will definitely look at
> them, probably by a special person in a special room too. We had this.
> Actually they were quite sweet and we were out of there in minutes.
>
> Exceptions to the rules:
> First, there are no exceptions. You have to do these steps.
>
> Second, there are some additional steps for Sweden, Norway, and any U.K.
> country like England, Scotland, or Ireland. For them, you must add two
> things.
> 1. You have to check what they consider to be their definition of
> "current"
> for rabies vaccination. This is not the same as our "current" definition.
> Many of us know the danger of over-vaccinating. We personally spend the
> money and do blood immunity titer tests. Rabies is legally an exception:
> you have to boost every few years even if not actually necessary, even with
> good blood titre antibody counts. For all of the other shots, we do not
> vaccinate for the anything else unless the blood titer test shows it is
> necessary. Usually for us, in 7 years, it has been rare since original
> shots that they have needed much. Ok. Back to rabies. Unless you don't
> care how many rabies booster shots your dog gets, you may want to consider
> waiting to travel to one of those specific countries until you are pretty
> freshly due for the normal booster, because they may require a fresh one
> even if you are in the middle of a perfectly good period of time since your
> last regular shot. Check with USDA to make sure you are within the date
> for
> the country. They are actually very good about communicating, and they are
> the one place I found where I could get some straight information after
> chasing around the globe trying to reach consulates and bouncing forever.
>
> 2. For at least the UK countries, you will also have to have proof of vet
> administering tapeworm treatment within 5 days of entry to the country. So
> this means you'd time your vet visit.and push your schedule on following it
> up with the USDA visit too.
>
> 3. Heartworm, Flea and tick treatment. There is some discretion here.
> Your vet will either have what you use on record from their having
> prescribed and/or sold it to you, or having actually administered it to the
> animal. Or like in our case, it may be acceptable since you can buy these
> things anywhere, that you simply tell them that you have been doing it, and
> perhaps, just tell them the last time you treated. We are both very
> sensitive to chemicals. And we have read credible things about dog
> sickness
> and deaths, as well as human reactions to "pharma" flea treatments. So we
> do not let vets or anyone do administering of flea treatments - we manage
> the dogs' cleanliness, and treatment of fleas ourselves, not only for our
> dogs but also thoroughly on the property as well. Our vet was happy to
> hear
> that, yes, we had already treated them, and he checked the box. Don't be
> afraid to be proactive. For us, that would have also meant not letting the
> vet do an administration of flea treatment during the visit to effectively
> double what we had going. Read this intelligently.
>
> As an aside, even though vets don't make money on this and don't think it
> credible, we have measurable success adding nutritional yeast and fresh
> squeezed garlic to our dogs' dry food. I'm not a vet and am not offering
> advice. This is what we do at my house. We don't have fleas. We use
> tablespoons of yeast to a big tupperware container, and only one clove of
> squeezed garlic at most, to not upset stomachs. That's our house. And we
> love dusting diatomaceous earth on occasion when needed, with a respirator,
> and vacuuming the next day.don't breathe it!
>
> Ok what else? A little bit of what we discovered here.
>
> In the E.U., please expect, to have to explain that your dog is a vision or
> medical working dog, who assists you. It is not as well known as you might
> think. We could not figure out if it was law, or not, or that it's just an
> older culture with more people who have had more experience being a
> civilization and have better listening ability and common sense.But with a
> quick, polite, clear and effective explanation what the dog is for, almost
> everyone turned on a dime and accepted the dogs and it was ok.
>
> OK let's talk about hotels and places. Many, many are billed as pet
> friendly. There were situation where we stayed in places that weren't pet
> friendly. But we called or emailed in advance, and discussed with the
> owner
> exactly how what the dogs were trained for, what they do for us, and how
> professionally they behave and handle cleanliness. And they said ok, come,
> then were welcoming. Regardless, you will almost always be charged a
> cleaning fee per dog, per whole stay in a hotel. Not per day, but per
> stay.
> It's just their way there. Hey, five to twenty bucks or so, a one-timer,
> on
> top of your hotel fees. That's dog cleaning fee, not deposit. Just how it
> is.
>
> Note for hotels, but also other places, that if you get along, and
> especially try to be a good friendly guest and especially try to speak
> their
> language even a little, it is extremely helpful. In other words, don't be
> defensive or forceful, but human and informational. Or.don't be entitled
> as
> if you can depend on an ADA assurance, like some do in the U.S. because
> they
> know they are backed by law, or be the "Ugly American". You may discover
> in
> the end that you feel more welcome, and also that sometimes your cleaning
> charge didn't happen. In my case, I learned, and even had someone write
> out
> for me in a pocket note, that I was severely vision impaired, and that my
> dog was specially professionally trained to help me walk in ways that I
> cannot see well. Only when I couldn't speak French well enough with
> someone
> who had the particular personality of a "rules boy" or "rules girl", did I
> ever have to pull it out. It was almost always graceful. The only time I
> had trouble, it was late, I arrived in a super hot village. The woman
> running the hotel was kind of nazi, and said, NO! After three rounds of
> communication, I finally went next door and got a shop keeper who spoke a
> little English to help translate. Then she got it, and said ok. But the
> room was an oven.she gladly didn't charge the reservation, and I found a
> four star camping place for no money, with a restaurant, pool, showers, and
> made friends with a fantastic couple over dinner. Slept on a few blankets
> and roughed it, Metukah on leash beside me for the night, a first time
> adventure for both! Those places are everywhere in the country, five
> minutes out of town everywhere. Stay open to adventure folks!
>
> I hope this writing helps you guys, who are trying to research how to get
> to
> the E.U. I went through hell trying to find out. So it's a presentation
> of
> what I learned, a statement that it worked, and passing on the experience
> of
> success over there. We're just back a couple of weeks. It was, by the
> way,
> to France, Amsterdam and Belgium. I understand they are really cool in
> Germany. Wherever we went, they were a serious dog loving culture, and not
> nearly uptight like in the U.S., generally.
>
> Oh, and sorry, but everyone is going to just coo, and stop to look and or
> talk to you, and reach right out and love your dog. It's just their
> culture.deal with it! I handled this as I do at home when I have an
> uncontrollable "incoming" - the thing to do is make a command called
> "visit!", or "greet!" Then, you don't have to worry about people stripping
> your dog's gears. I caught someone reaching in and did this at LAX just
> this afternoon! It's a lot quicker than waiting for someone to register
> "oh, wait, no, don't, working dog, please ignore her". In fact, you might
> be surprised not there, but in the U.S., that commanding your dog to greet
> someone as they reach actually gets their attention, and they pause in
> their
> reach!
>
> Feel free to write if you have questions.
>
> Cheers, and bon voyage!
> Peter
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>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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>> Subject: [NAGDU] EU health certificate
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>> Were do I get the actual form to fill out for the EU health
>> certificate? I asked my vet, and they expect me to bring the form
>> with me. I see tons of guidance on the USDA site, but can't find a link
> to the actual form.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tracy
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>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:42:29 -0500
>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:48:13 +0000
>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>> Hey Jordan.
>> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you
>> may want to consider switching schools.
>> Just my thoughts.
>> Chantel.
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
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>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
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>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> hello there, I can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from where
> I've gotten my dogs are top notch. I suppose you could always try
> contacting
> your school and possibly seeing if another field rep could make a visit.
> Maybe that is the possible solution. Good luck.
>>
>>
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>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:01:56 -0500
>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>> Hello all,
>>
>> Apparently today is the day for my technology to be failing me; as my
>> earlier message to the list was blank. What that message said, was I
>> can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from my school are
>> top notch. You might contact your school to see if another rep could come
>> out. Hope this helps. Happy 4 to everyone.
>>
>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190
>> or (832) 779-7477
>>
>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>> "Live the life you want!"
>>
>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:45:56 -0500
>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>>
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>> ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know the
>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:52:20 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone. I am definitely going
>> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure. The problem with
>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>> stuck. I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
> back from my last trip.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>
>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>>
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>> ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know the
>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:57:02 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <02f701d2f471$36cb9880$a462c980$@gmail.com>
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>>
>> Trust me, I have already considered that since he would not take me
>> seriously about Belto's behavior around other dogs including ones we
>> encountered during class. I have to give a big thanks to people on
>> this list who suggested the pinch collar because it put an end to that
>> issue which makes me happy because last thing I wanted to do was send
>> the dog back especially Belto who works really well especially today
>> when it was quite hot, and he kept right on going.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
>> Cuddemi via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 4:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Chantel Cuddemi
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>
>> Hey Jordan.
>> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you
>> may want to consider switching schools.
>> Just my thoughts.
>> Chantel.
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
>> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 22:20:22 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <014101d2f474$796e9680$6c4bc380$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch
>> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command
>> rather quickly.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>
>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone. I am definitely going
>> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure. The problem with
>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>> stuck. I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
> back from my last trip.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>
>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>>
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>> ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know the
>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 23:57:41 -0500
>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <BB44C638-AE77-450D-9195-46F711A5A184 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I wish I had that kind of time to do that to be honest. I am quite busy
> between now and leaving for convention.
>> Jordan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch
>>> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command
>>> rather quickly.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>
>>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone. I am definitely
>>> going to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure. The problem with
>>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>>> stuck. I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
> back from my last trip.
>>> Jordan
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>
>>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using
>>> Google
> Earth?
>>>
>>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some
>>> more ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know
>>> the first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>>
>>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>>
>>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>>
>>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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