[NAGDU] Tracy/Ireland
Peter Wolf
pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Sun Jul 9 20:36:51 UTC 2017
Tracy,
Just being back from EU, yes, do contact at least for your first stay. Since they don’t have ADA over there in Europe, conversation is everything, and you have to do there what you don’t have to do here - explain yourself. So hey, just do it. By explaining how our dogs work, we received permission in advance to hotels that do not accept dogs. I don’t know about Ireland, but we found France, Belgium and Amsterdam to be extremely dog friendly. I mean, no one even flinched when we walked into places where folks would balk here. It’s all about communicating. They don’t have the kind of “uh-oh, health department alert” crap in their heads that businesses do here. They love dogs.
And, all around, an astonishing number of hotels were “pet friendly” establishments. That’s weird for us here, with most US hotels not accepting “pets”, but admitting working dogs. Andrea and I in fact try to avoid hotels here in the US that are “pet friendly”, because of the smells that poorly trained pets leave in carpets… which can be an unwelcome temptation for an impeccably trained working dog, who might wonder why this particular hotel carpet seems to smell like a dog relief area. But in the case of traveling in Europe, you’ll be surprised how many places simply admit animals. So check it out, and by all means talk first, at least for the times when you are in transition like getting off of a long flight for the first day or two. It will be easier to wing it after that.
Bon Voyage!
Peter
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 10:48:52 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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> I will be travelling to Ireland in a few weeks, and bringing my dog. I'm
> wondering if people who travel internationally contact the hotels they will
> be staying at to tell them about the dog beforehand. Ireland has its own
> guide dog school, and the Irish people I've met are familiar with guide
> dogs. So I'm not sure if I need to tell them, or not.
>
> I never do here, because I've found it just starts people imagining I'll
> need a lot of help I don't need or want. I never have, even before the ADA.
> But I'm not sure what's done internationally.
>
> Tracy
>
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 10:56:06 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] indoor relief areas
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> Krokus and Ben both did well with indoor relief areas, even the bare bones
> type. There were enough pee smells around to get their juices going, and
> with a bit of verbal encouragement, they got 'er done. Much to their, and
> my, relief.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 2:54 PM
> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] indoor relief areas
>
> No, our time in Atlanta is just an hour. Both flights plus layover is about
> 6 hours. So if he doesn't get to go in Atlanta, he's going to have to hold
> it for 6 hours, at least. Plus add in the time to get in and out of the
> airports, luggage and all those details, it could be closer to 7 hours.
>
> He can certainly go that long, but I really think the old boy would be way
> more comfortable with a chance to go in Atlanta.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> On 7/7/2017 1:47 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
>> WOW! Six hours in Atlanta? How is your fly such a bad connection. The
>> indoor relief areas are very similar to the convention areas insofar
>> as what is on their floors, at least the one I was in. My dog never had a
> problem with it.
>> If you have that much time and Monty won't relieve, you could then
>> take him outside. The rest of the flight is only about an hour, but
>> I'm pretty sure the dog would be in a hurry by the time he got to
>> Orlando. I have been guilty of waiting it out. I didn't find the
>> indoor area to be a problem. The one I used was beyond a closed door and
> quite nice.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 1:38 PM
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>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] indoor relief areas
>>
>> I'm just looking at the relief area options, now called SARA's how
>> fancy! I switch planes in Atlanta and it looks like most of the relief
>> areas are indoors. The outdoor area looks to be out of the secure area
>> and a fair bit away. Although I haven't been to Atlanta in years and
>> years and then had no dog. We only have a one hour layover. I'm
>> thinking it will be the indoor relief area or bust.
>>
>>
>> I've never been in a situation where I've relieved a dog indoors. Not
>> sure if he's going to be agreeable. Tips? Suggestions? Experiences?
>>
>> Both flights plus layover is about 6 hours, plus a bit on either side
>> of that to get in and out of the building. He could likely make it
>> that long, but he's an older dog and I think he'd appreciate the
>> opportunity to go at the halfway point.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
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> From: Lisa <dreamymarmot93 at yahoo.de>
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> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
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> Hi Tracy,
>
>
> I'm in Germany and I'd recommend contacting European hotels beforehand.
> I know in the US it is handled differently and I see why. But
> unfortunately, in Europe most hotels aren't prepared to welcome a
> service dog at all. Of course there are exceptions, too, but it's very
> likely you arrive with your dog and have to lead endless discussions
> with uncertain outcome. Also, be prepared a hotel will try to charge you
> an extra fee for the dog. In Germany, I always argue this by explaining
> they wouldn't charge a wheelchair, either but not sure if there are
> guidelines for this in Ireland.
>
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
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> Am 08.07.2017 um 16:48 schrieb Tracy Carcione via NAGDU:
>> I will be travelling to Ireland in a few weeks, and bringing my dog. I'm
>> wondering if people who travel internationally contact the hotels they will
>> be staying at to tell them about the dog beforehand. Ireland has its own
>> guide dog school, and the Irish people I've met are familiar with guide
>> dogs. So I'm not sure if I need to tell them, or not.
>>
>> I never do here, because I've found it just starts people imagining I'll
>> need a lot of help I don't need or want. I never have, even before the ADA.
>> But I'm not sure what's done internationally.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
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> Tracy, many handlers have been to Ireland from the Seeing Eye. They should
> know whether hotels need to be contacted or not. Linda was just there like
> last year or the year before with her black labby, if you want I can get you
> two together to chat.
>
> b.butterfly at comcast.net
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> Becky and Jake
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> -----Original Message-----
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> via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 7:49 AM
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> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: [NAGDU] International travel - hotels
>
> I will be travelling to Ireland in a few weeks, and bringing my dog. I'm
> wondering if people who travel internationally contact the hotels they will
> be staying at to tell them about the dog beforehand. Ireland has its own
> guide dog school, and the Irish people I've met are familiar with guide
> dogs. So I'm not sure if I need to tell them, or not.
>
> I never do here, because I've found it just starts people imagining I'll
> need a lot of help I don't need or want. I never have, even before the ADA.
> But I'm not sure what's done internationally.
>
> Tracy
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 10:22:16 -0500
> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
> To: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] indoor relief areas
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> Thanks to everyone for the replies!
>
> When looking over the itinerary again, I realized I didn't take into
> account the time zone difference. So our entire trip is an hour
> shorter. Hopefully he'll be game for the indoor relief area, but even
> if he isn't, I think he'll be okay.
>
> Hopefully I'll see some of you in a few days. I'll be at the NAGDU
> meeting on Monday and in the exhibit hall, table C23, the rest of the
> week. Lots of cool stuff. Stop by and check it out.
>
> Julie
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:41:07 -0600
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
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> When I was training with Petunia in 2014, after the first couple days we
> could relieve our dogs, on leash, on the patios outside our rooms. Petunia
> would not go out there. It was open, with a metal fence, but it was covered,
> and I guess she thought it was part of the house, or dorm I mean. I ended up
> relieving her in the normal relieving circle for the whole two weeks. So, I
> doubt that she would willingly use an internal relieving area.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 8:56 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] indoor relief areas
>
> Krokus and Ben both did well with indoor relief areas, even the bare bones
> type. There were enough pee smells around to get their juices going, and
> with a bit of verbal encouragement, they got 'er done. Much to their, and
> my, relief.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 2:54 PM
> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] indoor relief areas
>
> No, our time in Atlanta is just an hour. Both flights plus layover is about
> 6 hours. So if he doesn't get to go in Atlanta, he's going to have to hold
> it for 6 hours, at least. Plus add in the time to get in and out of the
> airports, luggage and all those details, it could be closer to 7 hours.
>
> He can certainly go that long, but I really think the old boy would be way
> more comfortable with a chance to go in Atlanta.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> On 7/7/2017 1:47 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
>> WOW! Six hours in Atlanta? How is your fly such a bad connection. The
>> indoor relief areas are very similar to the convention areas insofar
>> as what is on their floors, at least the one I was in. My dog never had a
> problem with it.
>> If you have that much time and Monty won't relieve, you could then
>> take him outside. The rest of the flight is only about an hour, but
>> I'm pretty sure the dog would be in a hurry by the time he got to
>> Orlando. I have been guilty of waiting it out. I didn't find the
>> indoor area to be a problem. The one I used was beyond a closed door and
> quite nice.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 1:38 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] indoor relief areas
>>
>> I'm just looking at the relief area options, now called SARA's how
>> fancy! I switch planes in Atlanta and it looks like most of the relief
>> areas are indoors. The outdoor area looks to be out of the secure area
>> and a fair bit away. Although I haven't been to Atlanta in years and
>> years and then had no dog. We only have a one hour layover. I'm
>> thinking it will be the indoor relief area or bust.
>>
>>
>> I've never been in a situation where I've relieved a dog indoors. Not
>> sure if he's going to be agreeable. Tips? Suggestions? Experiences?
>>
>> Both flights plus layover is about 6 hours, plus a bit on either side
>> of that to get in and out of the building. He could likely make it
>> that long, but he's an older dog and I think he'd appreciate the
>> opportunity to go at the halfway point.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 11:55:21 -0400
> From: Lee Pupo <leepupo at ptd.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Travel to Europe
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> Thanks Peter for that excellent and fine saving review??I'm saving it for future refernce??
> Lee and JP
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> LEE ?
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:55:53 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel
> to the E.U.
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> Thanks Peter, that's very helpful.
> The USDA guidance, and the official vet, say that overnight, tracked
> delivery, to the USDA office is fine, no physical visit required. Which is
> good, since it's about a 5-hour train trip each way.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel to the E.U.
>
> Hey Tracy.here's my cue.
>
> For any of you traveling to E.U., we've just returned from a 3 week trip.
> We're fresh on the procedure.
>
> Here is what you need.
>
> Step one: A vet health checkup. Check with the vet whether the exam for
> health cert has to currently be within 30 days or 10 days of departure. It
> is usually likely 10 days before leaving.
>
> This can't be just any vet. It has to be with a vet who is certified by
> USDA to do the checkup according to their standards and fill out their
> specific paperwork. They are called a "USDA certified vet". So check with
> your clinic to make sure of the vet you see has this certification, or
> you'll have to be referred to a clinic who has one on staff.
>
> Step two: This vet should provide all of the necessary forms. The
> paperwork is called "3rd party USDA International Health Certificate". You
> will also hear the term "EU Pet Passport". That's something else, not for
> us as citizens or people originating travel from the U.S. It is for EU
> citizens, and can only be produced by a vet in the EU. If you travel
> frequently, yes, you too can get an EU Pet Passport - but you have to get it
> there in the EU from an EU vet. The only advantage is that the Pet Passport
> is good for three months of travel in both directions. But only if you
> travel often to warrant it, because you have to get it over there, and it
> costs more too. By the way, even though you have to have your USDA
> departure paperwork certified by USDA within ten days of leaving, it is good
> for three months for returning to the U.S.
>
> Ok, back to us. If you still want your vet to do the certificate, and they
> won't provide it, then, call your local USDA / APHIS office to see if they
> can get you the forms. You should question it however, if your vet cannot
> provide the paperwork, because it is about ten pages long, and involved. If
> this vet isn't familiar enough to generate a set of paperwork, I would
> suggest seeing a different vet. They should know how to generate the
> paperwork, because they would have done it often enough to know what they
> are doing. You don't want clerical mistakes by not getting the right thing,
> or losing a part of it, or something missing: Or when you get to step
> three, which is taking the papers to USDA for "validation", they won't do
> it.
>
> Also, you should know that different vets charge different fees as they
> wish. We happen to use a very big vet that is a whole emergency hospital
> with about 15 vets on staff. They cost more than other vets in the area,
> but we use them because we think they are the best. They actually told us
> that while they would be happy to do the exam and paperwork, that smaller
> vets could do the exam, and we'd pay less. But then there's the above, and
> they had all our records on file. You could keep yours in a folder and
> manage them yourself if you want to save the 40 bucks or whatever the
> difference is.
>
> Step three: You go online to find a USDA / APHIS office at city near you,
> and book an appointment in advance. You have to physically go there and
> hand them the paperwork. They don't take walk ins. Your paperwork has to
> be certified within ten days of departure. It's kind of a joke. You just
> paid a bunch of extra money for a USDA exam with a certified vet.and now you
> are going to burn a day taking the certificate to USDA. A desk vet will be
> there, who will look at your papers, then stamp them as real and valid.
> They don't want you to bring the animal, unless of course you need to work
> with it that day.
>
> Ok. What to bring to USDA:
>
> a) The USDA paperwork above.
> b) At least two copies of a current rabies certificate.
>
> Now, what else to bring - for the trip overseas itself:
> a) All of the things above.
> b) Also bring a copy of your dog's training certification, or certificate of
> graduation, or whatever they provided. They don't have ADA over there.
> About half of the time, you will be asked for any or all of these documents,
> as well as to see the USDA health certificate and/or your your dog's
> training program cert. Always remember, you keep your documents. They are
> to show for proof and validation by anyone who asks, but you keep the
> documents! Sometimes, you won't be asked. But count on this. Depending on
> which country you enter first from the U.S., they will examine your dog's
> documents thoroughly on entry, or not. Of course, just like if you put up a
> tarp it won't rain. remember if you don't come prepared, you will be
> asked.And when you get back into U.S. Customs, they will definitely look at
> them, probably by a special person in a special room too. We had this.
> Actually they were quite sweet and we were out of there in minutes.
>
> Exceptions to the rules:
> First, there are no exceptions. You have to do these steps.
>
> Second, there are some additional steps for Sweden, Norway, and any U.K.
> country like England, Scotland, or Ireland. For them, you must add two
> things.
> 1. You have to check what they consider to be their definition of "current"
> for rabies vaccination. This is not the same as our "current" definition.
> Many of us know the danger of over-vaccinating. We personally spend the
> money and do blood immunity titer tests. Rabies is legally an exception:
> you have to boost every few years even if not actually necessary, even with
> good blood titre antibody counts. For all of the other shots, we do not
> vaccinate for the anything else unless the blood titer test shows it is
> necessary. Usually for us, in 7 years, it has been rare since original
> shots that they have needed much. Ok. Back to rabies. Unless you don't
> care how many rabies booster shots your dog gets, you may want to consider
> waiting to travel to one of those specific countries until you are pretty
> freshly due for the normal booster, because they may require a fresh one
> even if you are in the middle of a perfectly good period of time since your
> last regular shot. Check with USDA to make sure you are within the date for
> the country. They are actually very good about communicating, and they are
> the one place I found where I could get some straight information after
> chasing around the globe trying to reach consulates and bouncing forever.
>
> 2. For at least the UK countries, you will also have to have proof of vet
> administering tapeworm treatment within 5 days of entry to the country. So
> this means you'd time your vet visit.and push your schedule on following it
> up with the USDA visit too.
>
> 3. Heartworm, Flea and tick treatment. There is some discretion here.
> Your vet will either have what you use on record from their having
> prescribed and/or sold it to you, or having actually administered it to the
> animal. Or like in our case, it may be acceptable since you can buy these
> things anywhere, that you simply tell them that you have been doing it, and
> perhaps, just tell them the last time you treated. We are both very
> sensitive to chemicals. And we have read credible things about dog sickness
> and deaths, as well as human reactions to "pharma" flea treatments. So we
> do not let vets or anyone do administering of flea treatments - we manage
> the dogs' cleanliness, and treatment of fleas ourselves, not only for our
> dogs but also thoroughly on the property as well. Our vet was happy to hear
> that, yes, we had already treated them, and he checked the box. Don't be
> afraid to be proactive. For us, that would have also meant not letting the
> vet do an administration of flea treatment during the visit to effectively
> double what we had going. Read this intelligently.
>
> As an aside, even though vets don't make money on this and don't think it
> credible, we have measurable success adding nutritional yeast and fresh
> squeezed garlic to our dogs' dry food. I'm not a vet and am not offering
> advice. This is what we do at my house. We don't have fleas. We use
> tablespoons of yeast to a big tupperware container, and only one clove of
> squeezed garlic at most, to not upset stomachs. That's our house. And we
> love dusting diatomaceous earth on occasion when needed, with a respirator,
> and vacuuming the next day.don't breathe it!
>
> Ok what else? A little bit of what we discovered here.
>
> In the E.U., please expect, to have to explain that your dog is a vision or
> medical working dog, who assists you. It is not as well known as you might
> think. We could not figure out if it was law, or not, or that it's just an
> older culture with more people who have had more experience being a
> civilization and have better listening ability and common sense.But with a
> quick, polite, clear and effective explanation what the dog is for, almost
> everyone turned on a dime and accepted the dogs and it was ok.
>
> OK let's talk about hotels and places. Many, many are billed as pet
> friendly. There were situation where we stayed in places that weren't pet
> friendly. But we called or emailed in advance, and discussed with the owner
> exactly how what the dogs were trained for, what they do for us, and how
> professionally they behave and handle cleanliness. And they said ok, come,
> then were welcoming. Regardless, you will almost always be charged a
> cleaning fee per dog, per whole stay in a hotel. Not per day, but per stay.
> It's just their way there. Hey, five to twenty bucks or so, a one-timer, on
> top of your hotel fees. That's dog cleaning fee, not deposit. Just how it
> is.
>
> Note for hotels, but also other places, that if you get along, and
> especially try to be a good friendly guest and especially try to speak their
> language even a little, it is extremely helpful. In other words, don't be
> defensive or forceful, but human and informational. Or.don't be entitled as
> if you can depend on an ADA assurance, like some do in the U.S. because they
> know they are backed by law, or be the "Ugly American". You may discover in
> the end that you feel more welcome, and also that sometimes your cleaning
> charge didn't happen. In my case, I learned, and even had someone write out
> for me in a pocket note, that I was severely vision impaired, and that my
> dog was specially professionally trained to help me walk in ways that I
> cannot see well. Only when I couldn't speak French well enough with someone
> who had the particular personality of a "rules boy" or "rules girl", did I
> ever have to pull it out. It was almost always graceful. The only time I
> had trouble, it was late, I arrived in a super hot village. The woman
> running the hotel was kind of nazi, and said, NO! After three rounds of
> communication, I finally went next door and got a shop keeper who spoke a
> little English to help translate. Then she got it, and said ok. But the
> room was an oven.she gladly didn't charge the reservation, and I found a
> four star camping place for no money, with a restaurant, pool, showers, and
> made friends with a fantastic couple over dinner. Slept on a few blankets
> and roughed it, Metukah on leash beside me for the night, a first time
> adventure for both! Those places are everywhere in the country, five
> minutes out of town everywhere. Stay open to adventure folks!
>
> I hope this writing helps you guys, who are trying to research how to get to
> the E.U. I went through hell trying to find out. So it's a presentation of
> what I learned, a statement that it worked, and passing on the experience of
> success over there. We're just back a couple of weeks. It was, by the way,
> to France, Amsterdam and Belgium. I understand they are really cool in
> Germany. Wherever we went, they were a serious dog loving culture, and not
> nearly uptight like in the U.S., generally.
>
> Oh, and sorry, but everyone is going to just coo, and stop to look and or
> talk to you, and reach right out and love your dog. It's just their
> culture.deal with it! I handled this as I do at home when I have an
> uncontrollable "incoming" - the thing to do is make a command called
> "visit!", or "greet!" Then, you don't have to worry about people stripping
> your dog's gears. I caught someone reaching in and did this at LAX just
> this afternoon! It's a lot quicker than waiting for someone to register
> "oh, wait, no, don't, working dog, please ignore her". In fact, you might
> be surprised not there, but in the U.S., that commanding your dog to greet
> someone as they reach actually gets their attention, and they pause in their
> reach!
>
> Feel free to write if you have questions.
>
> Cheers, and bon voyage!
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>> 5. Re: Field Reps (Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU)
>> 6. Re: Field Reps (Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU)
>> 7. Re: Field Reps (Julie Johnson)
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>> 9. Re: Field Reps (Jordan Gallacher) 10. Re: Field Reps (Cindy Ray)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:59:26 +0000
>> From: "Yingling, Valerie" <Vyingling at nfb.org>
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>> Planning to travel this summer? If you have a service animal and use Uber
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:51:43 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] EU health certificate
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>> Were do I get the actual form to fill out for the EU health
>> certificate? I asked my vet, and they expect me to bring the form
>> with me. I see tons of guidance on the USDA site, but can't find a link
> to the actual form.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:42:29 -0500
>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <5AEE991D-20B0-4310-82D3-EBF0458D4674 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:48:13 +0000
>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID:
>> <CANCNGQLeMMiMQRMmYmf4Ed1U9AsvwOmSuk3XmZs5QfDRhRrcuA at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Hey Jordan.
>> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you
>> may want to consider switching schools.
>> Just my thoughts.
>> Chantel.
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:53:50 -0500
>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190
>> or (832) 779-7477
>>
>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>> "Live the life you want!"
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> hello there, I can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from where
> I've gotten my dogs are top notch. I suppose you could always try contacting
> your school and possibly seeing if another field rep could make a visit.
> Maybe that is the possible solution. Good luck.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:01:56 -0500
>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <1628cbf0-9cbe-e858-3ada-8e152c6ad61f at nfbtx.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Apparently today is the day for my technology to be failing me; as my
>> earlier message to the list was blank. What that message said, was I
>> can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from my school are
>> top notch. You might contact your school to see if another rep could come
>> out. Hope this helps. Happy 4 to everyone.
>>
>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190
>> or (832) 779-7477
>>
>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>> "Live the life you want!"
>>
>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:45:56 -0500
>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <e38e6868-47fa-9efd-0ef2-e8959488b0f0 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>>
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>> ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know the
>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:52:20 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <02f501d2f470$8e9d1760$abd74620$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone. I am definitely going
>> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure. The problem with
>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>> stuck. I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
> back from my last trip.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>
>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>>
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>> ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know the
>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:57:02 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <02f701d2f471$36cb9880$a462c980$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Trust me, I have already considered that since he would not take me
>> seriously about Belto's behavior around other dogs including ones we
>> encountered during class. I have to give a big thanks to people on
>> this list who suggested the pinch collar because it put an end to that
>> issue which makes me happy because last thing I wanted to do was send
>> the dog back especially Belto who works really well especially today
>> when it was quite hot, and he kept right on going.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
>> Cuddemi via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 4:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Chantel Cuddemi
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>
>> Hey Jordan.
>> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you
>> may want to consider switching schools.
>> Just my thoughts.
>> Chantel.
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
>> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 22:20:22 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch
>> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command
>> rather quickly.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>
>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone. I am definitely going
>> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure. The problem with
>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>> stuck. I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
> back from my last trip.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>
>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>>
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>> ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know the
>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 23:57:41 -0500
>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <BB44C638-AE77-450D-9195-46F711A5A184 at gmail.com>
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>>
>> I wish I had that kind of time to do that to be honest. I am quite busy
> between now and leaving for convention.
>> Jordan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch
>>> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command
>>> rather quickly.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>
>>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone. I am definitely
>>> going to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure. The problem with
>>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>>> stuck. I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
> back from my last trip.
>>> Jordan
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>
>>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>>>
>>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some
>>> more ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know
>>> the first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>>
>>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>>
>>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>>
>>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:00:43 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
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> Hi Jordan.
>
> I'm curious about Belto's name. It was my understanding that Leader leaves
> the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular dog names
> like Max or Shadow. So did Belto's family choose his name? And did they
> tell you why? Or does Leader make up names now? Just sounds like a name
> with a story.
>
>
>
> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
> training at TSE for years a while back. Everyone on the TSE staff who'd
> known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he has a
> special name. I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a mischievous
> sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:21:09 -0500
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
> Message-ID: <01ce01d2f684$a4a97290$edfc57b0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be Balto,
> but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his name came to be.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>
> Hi Jordan.
>
> I'm curious about Belto's name. It was my understanding that Leader leaves
> the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular dog names
> like Max or Shadow. So did Belto's family choose his name? And did they
> tell you why? Or does Leader make up names now? Just sounds like a name
> with a story.
>
>
>
> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
> training at TSE for years a while back. Everyone on the TSE staff who'd
> known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he has a
> special name. I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a mischievous
> sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 10:28:27 -0800
> From: Bryan Gearry <bgearry at alaskafrontier.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
> Message-ID: <33bd00d6-ff5e-f624-cf92-646cad4e7fcc at alaskafrontier.net>
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> Belto is a very interesting name as the Anchorage Downtown Rotary had
> named a dog they had sponsored as Balto. That was the name to the lead
> dog in the race to Nome during the early 1900's to get diphtheria
> vaccines to Nome from Fairbanks. Later, that became the basis for the
> Iditarod which now is a sled dog race form Anchorage to Nome.
>
> The Anchorage Rotary however named this dog for the Guide Dog Foundation.
>
>
>> On 7/6/2017 10:21 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be Balto,
>> but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his name came to be.
>> Jordan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>>
>> Hi Jordan.
>>
>> I'm curious about Belto's name. It was my understanding that Leader leaves
>> the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular dog names
>> like Max or Shadow. So did Belto's family choose his name? And did they
>> tell you why? Or does Leader make up names now? Just sounds like a name
>> with a story.
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
>> training at TSE for years a while back. Everyone on the TSE staff who'd
>> known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he has a
>> special name. I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a mischievous
>> sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:30:45 +0000
> From: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names
> Message-ID:
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> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs' names.
> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs. His puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him, but name him too!
> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm not sure.
>
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
> Nancy Irwin
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:40:23 -0500
> From: "Charlene Ota" <caota4 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog Names
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> My boy's name is Irish and I've always thought that was an interesting name
> for him since he was born, raised and trained at Guide Dogs Victoria i
> Australia. At the school, they thought thtat was such a great name, too. As
> a fundraiser kind of thing, people buy opportunities to name litters of
> puppies and are put in a drawing. Somebody got Irish's litter, and he was a
> single puppy, had no siblings. For some reason, he was kind of a special dog
> to a lot of his trainer and the kennel staff and he got many hugs when we
> were ready to return to Hawaii.
>
> Charlene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy VanderBrink
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:31 PM
> To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names
>
> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs'
> names.
> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor
> of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs. His
> puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him,
> but name him too!
> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow
> lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm
> not sure.
>
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> voice dictation
> Nancy Irwin
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:57:03 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog Names
> Message-ID: <007901d2f689$a8571f00$f9055d00$@access.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Interesting stories!
>
> One of my GDB dogs was named Amba. She was donated, and her breeders got to
> pick her name. Their name was Anderson, so the name had to start with A.
> They chose the name Amba, which is a Hindu name for the Great Mother
> Goddess. It suited her absolutely. She was a queen, and a mother-type,
> strong and loving. I've always felt she came to me from the Goddess to help
> me when I needed her most.
> Tracy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Ota via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:40 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Charlene Ota
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog Names
>
> My boy's name is Irish and I've always thought that was an interesting name
> for him since he was born, raised and trained at Guide Dogs Victoria i
> Australia. At the school, they thought thtat was such a great name, too. As
> a fundraiser kind of thing, people buy opportunities to name litters of
> puppies and are put in a drawing. Somebody got Irish's litter, and he was a
> single puppy, had no siblings. For some reason, he was kind of a special dog
> to a lot of his trainer and the kennel staff and he got many hugs when we
> were ready to return to Hawaii.
>
> Charlene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy VanderBrink
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:31 PM
> To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names
>
> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs'
> names.
> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor
> of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs. His
> puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him,
> but name him too!
> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow
> lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm
> not sure.
>
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> voice dictation Nancy Irwin
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 12:16:48 -0700
> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> To: Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog Names
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> Nancy,
>
> Oh. I was laughing at a yellow lab named Coal (like the black stuff)
> then checked the spelling. Still, ironic, huh?
>
> So Mitzi came with the name, only it was spelled M i t s y. I was
> horrified by the notion of going around with a poodle with such a name
> and planned to change it just as soon as I got to know her enough to see
> which of the alternates I was thinking of fit her. Only... She was a
> Mitsy. So I changed the spelling, which was silly but seemed somehow to
> fit better with the z i ending. She is definitely a Mitzi. No, I don't
> know what a Mitzi is, just that it is what Mitzi is. /lol/
>
> When it was time to get a new puppy, the name Loki was on my list for a
> male. Thinking of Mitzi's puppyhood, I couldn't imagine a more apt name
> than that of a mischief deity. It would have fit her to a T for sure!
> The puppies in Loki's litter were all nicknamed for characters from one
> of the family's favorite films, so he was Bumper. I considered going
> with that, but the thought of having a guide dog named Bumper made me
> break out in a cold sweat. And I was sort of hooked on the name Loki by
> then, so I went with that. It has been pointed out to me that since Loki
> got to be kinda evil in later myths and shows up as an evil character in
> a number of modern iterations, that's a scarier name than Bumper. /lol/
> My Loki is more like the early hearth deity who outwitted the other gods
> to bring fire to man and used his cleverness to get the rest of them out
> of trouble. Okay, so sometimes he was the cause of the trouble, but he
> did get them out of the trouble he caused them. Also, he's tall, dark
> and handsome, just like my Loki. /grin/ I hadn't realized how much the
> name had worked it's way into modern literature and movies, or I might
> have gone with something else. There's nothing like going down the
> sidewalk, saying "Loki, left," and having someone gasp, "Oooh! He's evil!"
>
> Tami
>
>> On 07/06/2017 11:30 AM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU wrote:
>> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs' names.
>> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs. His puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him, but name him too!
>> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm not sure.
>>
>> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
>> Nancy Irwin
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 21:23:55 +0000
> From: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog Names
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> It's funny, when I got him I actually asked the trainer how to spell his name because I thought the same thing!
>
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
> Nancy Irwin
>
>
>> On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:18 PM, Tami Jarvis via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Nancy,
>>
>> Oh. I was laughing at a yellow lab named Coal (like the black stuff) then checked the spelling. Still, ironic, huh?
>>
>> So Mitzi came with the name, only it was spelled M i t s y. I was horrified by the notion of going around with a poodle with such a name and planned to change it just as soon as I got to know her enough to see which of the alternates I was thinking of fit her. Only... She was a Mitsy. So I changed the spelling, which was silly but seemed somehow to fit better with the z i ending. She is definitely a Mitzi. No, I don't know what a Mitzi is, just that it is what Mitzi is. /lol/
>>
>> When it was time to get a new puppy, the name Loki was on my list for a male. Thinking of Mitzi's puppyhood, I couldn't imagine a more apt name than that of a mischief deity. It would have fit her to a T for sure! The puppies in Loki's litter were all nicknamed for characters from one of the family's favorite films, so he was Bumper. I considered going with that, but the thought of having a guide dog named Bumper made me break out in a cold sweat. And I was sort of hooked on the name Loki by then, so I went with that. It has been pointed out to me that since Loki got to be kinda evil in later myths and shows up as an evil character in a number of modern iterations, that's a scarier name than Bumper. /lol/ My Loki is more like the early hearth deity who outwitted the other gods to bring fire to man and used his cleverness to get the rest of them out of trouble. Okay, so sometimes he was the cause of the trouble, but he did get them out of the trouble he caused them. Also, he's tall,
> dark and handsome, just like my Loki. /grin/ I hadn't realized how much the name had worked it's way into modern literature and movies, or I might have gone with something else. There's nothing like going down the sidewalk, saying "Loki, left," and having someone gasp, "Oooh! He's evil!"
>>
>> Tami
>>
>>> On 07/06/2017 11:30 AM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU wrote:
>>> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs' names.
>>> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs. His puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him, but name him too!
>>> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm not sure.
>>> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
>>> Nancy Irwin
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 17:03:24 -0600
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog Names
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> I had a black lab named Bianca. Bianca means white in Italian. I used to
> sing to her a lot and one of the songs I sang was my own words to the old
> Three dog night song, black and white. I'd sing something like, the dog is
> black, her name means white, she guides by day and sleeps at night. Now I
> have a golden named Petunia. I've been a Harry Potter fan for nearly twenty
> years, and though Petunia in the series isn't a very nice character, still,
> it is to me a perfect name for a golden and a perfect name for me. I'm glad
> to have an HP named dog. lol.
>
> Sherry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy VanderBrink
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 12:31 PM
> To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names
>
> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs'
> names.
> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor
> of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs. His
> puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him,
> but name him too!
> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow
> lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm
> not sure.
>
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> voice dictation
> Nancy Irwin
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:04:24 -0500
> From: "Ann Edie" <Annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
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> Hi, Bryan, Tracy, Jordan, and All,
>
> There is a book about the dog Bryan described whose run carrying medicine to
> the people of Nome inspired the Iditarod sled dog race. I can't remember the
> exact title of the book, but it is a small book for kids and it is available
> in Braille from Seedlings Braille Books for Children. (I haven't checked to
> see if it is available anywhere else in other formats.) The name of the dog
> used in the book is "Belto", so I guess there must be some ambiguity about
> whether "Belto" or "Balto" is the correct spelling of the name. Anyway, it's
> a good strong name for a guide dog, implying that he is trusty and
> dependable, and a great lead dog.
>
> Best,
> Ann & Panda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 1:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Bryan Gearry
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>
> Belto is a very interesting name as the Anchorage Downtown Rotary had named
> a dog they had sponsored as Balto. That was the name to the lead dog in the
> race to Nome during the early 1900's to get diphtheria vaccines to Nome from
> Fairbanks. Later, that became the basis for the Iditarod which now is a sled
> dog race form Anchorage to Nome.
>
> The Anchorage Rotary however named this dog for the Guide Dog Foundation.
>
>
>> On 7/6/2017 10:21 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be
>> Balto, but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his name
> came to be.
>> Jordan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>> Carcione via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>>
>> Hi Jordan.
>>
>> I'm curious about Belto's name. It was my understanding that Leader
>> leaves the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular
>> dog names like Max or Shadow. So did Belto's family choose his name?
>> And did they tell you why? Or does Leader make up names now? Just
>> sounds like a name with a story.
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
>> training at TSE for years a while back. Everyone on the TSE staff
>> who'd known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he
>> has a special name. I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a
>> mischievous sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:08:32 -0500
> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
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> Aww Tracy, that's such a beautiful story!
> When I got Soleil she was a little over 2. She was the mom dog in a backyard breeding situation and was rescued by my vet when the owner went to prison. Her name was Solo. I thought that was so sad because she was solo alone in the yard except for when she had pups. So when I adopted her I would call her name and Laveau would come running? I guess Laveau sounds like Solo? That o sound... So I changed her name to Soleil, which is french for Sunshine because she's so so sun-shiney. She's like the happiest and most loving dog I have ever met. And the last l is silent so it's said like so lay. .
>
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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>> On Jul 6, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting stories!
>>
>> One of my GDB dogs was named Amba. She was donated, and her breeders got to
>> pick her name. Their name was Anderson, so the name had to start with A.
>> They chose the name Amba, which is a Hindu name for the Great Mother
>> Goddess. It suited her absolutely. She was a queen, and a mother-type,
>> strong and loving. I've always felt she came to me from the Goddess to help
>> me when I needed her most.
>> Tracy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Ota via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:40 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Charlene Ota
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog Names
>>
>> My boy's name is Irish and I've always thought that was an interesting name
>> for him since he was born, raised and trained at Guide Dogs Victoria i
>> Australia. At the school, they thought thtat was such a great name, too. As
>> a fundraiser kind of thing, people buy opportunities to name litters of
>> puppies and are put in a drawing. Somebody got Irish's litter, and he was a
>> single puppy, had no siblings. For some reason, he was kind of a special dog
>> to a lot of his trainer and the kennel staff and he got many hugs when we
>> were ready to return to Hawaii.
>>
>> Charlene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy VanderBrink
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:31 PM
>> To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names
>>
>> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs'
>> names.
>> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor
>> of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs. His
>> puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him,
>> but name him too!
>> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow
>> lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm
>> not sure.
>>
>> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
>> voice dictation Nancy Irwin
>>
>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:25:58 -0800
> From: Bryan Gearry <bgearry at alaskafrontier.net>
> To: Ann Edie <Annedie at nycap.rr.com>, "'NAGDU Mailing List, the
> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
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>
> wonderful! Keep that thought about your guide!
>
>
>> On 7/6/2017 3:04 PM, Ann Edie wrote:
>> Hi, Bryan, Tracy, Jordan, and All,
>>
>> There is a book about the dog Bryan described whose run carrying medicine to
>> the people of Nome inspired the Iditarod sled dog race. I can't remember the
>> exact title of the book, but it is a small book for kids and it is available
>> in Braille from Seedlings Braille Books for Children. (I haven't checked to
>> see if it is available anywhere else in other formats.) The name of the dog
>> used in the book is "Belto", so I guess there must be some ambiguity about
>> whether "Belto" or "Balto" is the correct spelling of the name. Anyway, it's
>> a good strong name for a guide dog, implying that he is trusty and
>> dependable, and a great lead dog.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ann & Panda
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 1:28 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Bryan Gearry
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>>
>> Belto is a very interesting name as the Anchorage Downtown Rotary had named
>> a dog they had sponsored as Balto. That was the name to the lead dog in the
>> race to Nome during the early 1900's to get diphtheria vaccines to Nome from
>> Fairbanks. Later, that became the basis for the Iditarod which now is a sled
>> dog race form Anchorage to Nome.
>>
>> The Anchorage Rotary however named this dog for the Guide Dog Foundation.
>>
>>
>>> On 7/6/2017 10:21 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be
>>> Balto, but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his name
>> came to be.
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>> Carcione via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>>>
>>> Hi Jordan.
>>>
>>> I'm curious about Belto's name. It was my understanding that Leader
>>> leaves the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular
>>> dog names like Max or Shadow. So did Belto's family choose his name?
>>> And did they tell you why? Or does Leader make up names now? Just
>>> sounds like a name with a story.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
>>> training at TSE for years a while back. Everyone on the TSE staff
>>> who'd known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he
>>> has a special name. I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a
>>> mischievous sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:53:10 -0500
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
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> Quite interesting, and well, the name certainly does fit because he
> definitely gets the job done no matter what.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:26 PM
> To: Ann Edie; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Cc: Bryan Gearry
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>
> wonderful! Keep that thought about your guide!
>
>
>> On 7/6/2017 3:04 PM, Ann Edie wrote:
>> Hi, Bryan, Tracy, Jordan, and All,
>>
>> There is a book about the dog Bryan described whose run carrying
>> medicine to the people of Nome inspired the Iditarod sled dog race. I
>> can't remember the exact title of the book, but it is a small book for
>> kids and it is available in Braille from Seedlings Braille Books for
>> Children. (I haven't checked to see if it is available anywhere else
>> in other formats.) The name of the dog used in the book is "Belto", so
>> I guess there must be some ambiguity about whether "Belto" or "Balto"
>> is the correct spelling of the name. Anyway, it's a good strong name
>> for a guide dog, implying that he is trusty and dependable, and a great
> lead dog.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ann & Panda
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
>> Gearry via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 1:28 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Bryan Gearry
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>>
>> Belto is a very interesting name as the Anchorage Downtown Rotary had
>> named a dog they had sponsored as Balto. That was the name to the lead
>> dog in the race to Nome during the early 1900's to get diphtheria
>> vaccines to Nome from Fairbanks. Later, that became the basis for the
>> Iditarod which now is a sled dog race form Anchorage to Nome.
>>
>> The Anchorage Rotary however named this dog for the Guide Dog Foundation.
>>
>>
>>> On 7/6/2017 10:21 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be
>>> Balto, but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his
>>> name
>> came to be.
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Carcione via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>>>
>>> Hi Jordan.
>>>
>>> I'm curious about Belto's name. It was my understanding that Leader
>>> leaves the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have
>>> regular dog names like Max or Shadow. So did Belto's family choose his
> name?
>>> And did they tell you why? Or does Leader make up names now? Just
>>> sounds like a name with a story.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
>>> training at TSE for years a while back. Everyone on the TSE staff
>>> who'd known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he
>>> has a special name. I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a
>>> mischievous sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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> From: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel
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> Hi Peter,
>
> Thanks for posting this. I just returned from two EU trips where I
> chose not to bring my dog, mainly because I didn't really investigate
> the paperwork that was needed and was concerned about access issues.
> It would have been really helpful to have her, so it's good to know
> this is doable for next time. How did you manage parking your dog
> while traveling? I noticed that a lot of the airports in the EU
> (Amsterdam, Paris, Rome etc.) are pretty large. I suppose I would just
> need to ensure enough time during layovers, as I could see it taking a
> while to find a place, then go back through security again for my next
> flight.
>
> Mike
>
>> On 7/6/17, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thanks Peter, that's very helpful.
>> The USDA guidance, and the official vet, say that overnight, tracked
>> delivery, to the USDA office is fine, no physical visit required. Which
>> is
>> good, since it's about a 5-hour train trip each way.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 11:30 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Peter Wolf
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel to the
>> E.U.
>>
>> Hey Tracy.here's my cue.
>>
>> For any of you traveling to E.U., we've just returned from a 3 week trip.
>> We're fresh on the procedure.
>>
>> Here is what you need.
>>
>> Step one: A vet health checkup. Check with the vet whether the exam for
>> health cert has to currently be within 30 days or 10 days of departure. It
>> is usually likely 10 days before leaving.
>>
>> This can't be just any vet. It has to be with a vet who is certified by
>> USDA to do the checkup according to their standards and fill out their
>> specific paperwork. They are called a "USDA certified vet". So check with
>> your clinic to make sure of the vet you see has this certification, or
>> you'll have to be referred to a clinic who has one on staff.
>>
>> Step two: This vet should provide all of the necessary forms. The
>> paperwork is called "3rd party USDA International Health Certificate". You
>> will also hear the term "EU Pet Passport". That's something else, not for
>> us as citizens or people originating travel from the U.S. It is for EU
>> citizens, and can only be produced by a vet in the EU. If you travel
>> frequently, yes, you too can get an EU Pet Passport - but you have to get
>> it
>> there in the EU from an EU vet. The only advantage is that the Pet
>> Passport
>> is good for three months of travel in both directions. But only if you
>> travel often to warrant it, because you have to get it over there, and it
>> costs more too. By the way, even though you have to have your USDA
>> departure paperwork certified by USDA within ten days of leaving, it is
>> good
>> for three months for returning to the U.S.
>>
>> Ok, back to us. If you still want your vet to do the certificate, and
>> they
>> won't provide it, then, call your local USDA / APHIS office to see if they
>> can get you the forms. You should question it however, if your vet cannot
>> provide the paperwork, because it is about ten pages long, and involved.
>> If
>> this vet isn't familiar enough to generate a set of paperwork, I would
>> suggest seeing a different vet. They should know how to generate the
>> paperwork, because they would have done it often enough to know what they
>> are doing. You don't want clerical mistakes by not getting the right
>> thing,
>> or losing a part of it, or something missing: Or when you get to step
>> three, which is taking the papers to USDA for "validation", they won't do
>> it.
>>
>> Also, you should know that different vets charge different fees as they
>> wish. We happen to use a very big vet that is a whole emergency hospital
>> with about 15 vets on staff. They cost more than other vets in the area,
>> but we use them because we think they are the best. They actually told us
>> that while they would be happy to do the exam and paperwork, that smaller
>> vets could do the exam, and we'd pay less. But then there's the above, and
>> they had all our records on file. You could keep yours in a folder and
>> manage them yourself if you want to save the 40 bucks or whatever the
>> difference is.
>>
>> Step three: You go online to find a USDA / APHIS office at city near you,
>> and book an appointment in advance. You have to physically go there and
>> hand them the paperwork. They don't take walk ins. Your paperwork has to
>> be certified within ten days of departure. It's kind of a joke. You just
>> paid a bunch of extra money for a USDA exam with a certified vet.and now
>> you
>> are going to burn a day taking the certificate to USDA. A desk vet will be
>> there, who will look at your papers, then stamp them as real and valid.
>> They don't want you to bring the animal, unless of course you need to work
>> with it that day.
>>
>> Ok. What to bring to USDA:
>>
>> a) The USDA paperwork above.
>> b) At least two copies of a current rabies certificate.
>>
>> Now, what else to bring - for the trip overseas itself:
>> a) All of the things above.
>> b) Also bring a copy of your dog's training certification, or certificate
>> of
>> graduation, or whatever they provided. They don't have ADA over there.
>> About half of the time, you will be asked for any or all of these
>> documents,
>> as well as to see the USDA health certificate and/or your your dog's
>> training program cert. Always remember, you keep your documents. They are
>> to show for proof and validation by anyone who asks, but you keep the
>> documents! Sometimes, you won't be asked. But count on this. Depending
>> on
>> which country you enter first from the U.S., they will examine your dog's
>> documents thoroughly on entry, or not. Of course, just like if you put up
>> a
>> tarp it won't rain. remember if you don't come prepared, you will be
>> asked.And when you get back into U.S. Customs, they will definitely look at
>> them, probably by a special person in a special room too. We had this.
>> Actually they were quite sweet and we were out of there in minutes.
>>
>> Exceptions to the rules:
>> First, there are no exceptions. You have to do these steps.
>>
>> Second, there are some additional steps for Sweden, Norway, and any U.K.
>> country like England, Scotland, or Ireland. For them, you must add two
>> things.
>> 1. You have to check what they consider to be their definition of
>> "current"
>> for rabies vaccination. This is not the same as our "current" definition.
>> Many of us know the danger of over-vaccinating. We personally spend the
>> money and do blood immunity titer tests. Rabies is legally an exception:
>> you have to boost every few years even if not actually necessary, even with
>> good blood titre antibody counts. For all of the other shots, we do not
>> vaccinate for the anything else unless the blood titer test shows it is
>> necessary. Usually for us, in 7 years, it has been rare since original
>> shots that they have needed much. Ok. Back to rabies. Unless you don't
>> care how many rabies booster shots your dog gets, you may want to consider
>> waiting to travel to one of those specific countries until you are pretty
>> freshly due for the normal booster, because they may require a fresh one
>> even if you are in the middle of a perfectly good period of time since your
>> last regular shot. Check with USDA to make sure you are within the date
>> for
>> the country. They are actually very good about communicating, and they are
>> the one place I found where I could get some straight information after
>> chasing around the globe trying to reach consulates and bouncing forever.
>>
>> 2. For at least the UK countries, you will also have to have proof of vet
>> administering tapeworm treatment within 5 days of entry to the country. So
>> this means you'd time your vet visit.and push your schedule on following it
>> up with the USDA visit too.
>>
>> 3. Heartworm, Flea and tick treatment. There is some discretion here.
>> Your vet will either have what you use on record from their having
>> prescribed and/or sold it to you, or having actually administered it to the
>> animal. Or like in our case, it may be acceptable since you can buy these
>> things anywhere, that you simply tell them that you have been doing it, and
>> perhaps, just tell them the last time you treated. We are both very
>> sensitive to chemicals. And we have read credible things about dog
>> sickness
>> and deaths, as well as human reactions to "pharma" flea treatments. So we
>> do not let vets or anyone do administering of flea treatments - we manage
>> the dogs' cleanliness, and treatment of fleas ourselves, not only for our
>> dogs but also thoroughly on the property as well. Our vet was happy to
>> hear
>> that, yes, we had already treated them, and he checked the box. Don't be
>> afraid to be proactive. For us, that would have also meant not letting the
>> vet do an administration of flea treatment during the visit to effectively
>> double what we had going. Read this intelligently.
>>
>> As an aside, even though vets don't make money on this and don't think it
>> credible, we have measurable success adding nutritional yeast and fresh
>> squeezed garlic to our dogs' dry food. I'm not a vet and am not offering
>> advice. This is what we do at my house. We don't have fleas. We use
>> tablespoons of yeast to a big tupperware container, and only one clove of
>> squeezed garlic at most, to not upset stomachs. That's our house. And we
>> love dusting diatomaceous earth on occasion when needed, with a respirator,
>> and vacuuming the next day.don't breathe it!
>>
>> Ok what else? A little bit of what we discovered here.
>>
>> In the E.U., please expect, to have to explain that your dog is a vision or
>> medical working dog, who assists you. It is not as well known as you might
>> think. We could not figure out if it was law, or not, or that it's just an
>> older culture with more people who have had more experience being a
>> civilization and have better listening ability and common sense.But with a
>> quick, polite, clear and effective explanation what the dog is for, almost
>> everyone turned on a dime and accepted the dogs and it was ok.
>>
>> OK let's talk about hotels and places. Many, many are billed as pet
>> friendly. There were situation where we stayed in places that weren't pet
>> friendly. But we called or emailed in advance, and discussed with the
>> owner
>> exactly how what the dogs were trained for, what they do for us, and how
>> professionally they behave and handle cleanliness. And they said ok, come,
>> then were welcoming. Regardless, you will almost always be charged a
>> cleaning fee per dog, per whole stay in a hotel. Not per day, but per
>> stay.
>> It's just their way there. Hey, five to twenty bucks or so, a one-timer,
>> on
>> top of your hotel fees. That's dog cleaning fee, not deposit. Just how it
>> is.
>>
>> Note for hotels, but also other places, that if you get along, and
>> especially try to be a good friendly guest and especially try to speak
>> their
>> language even a little, it is extremely helpful. In other words, don't be
>> defensive or forceful, but human and informational. Or.don't be entitled
>> as
>> if you can depend on an ADA assurance, like some do in the U.S. because
>> they
>> know they are backed by law, or be the "Ugly American". You may discover
>> in
>> the end that you feel more welcome, and also that sometimes your cleaning
>> charge didn't happen. In my case, I learned, and even had someone write
>> out
>> for me in a pocket note, that I was severely vision impaired, and that my
>> dog was specially professionally trained to help me walk in ways that I
>> cannot see well. Only when I couldn't speak French well enough with
>> someone
>> who had the particular personality of a "rules boy" or "rules girl", did I
>> ever have to pull it out. It was almost always graceful. The only time I
>> had trouble, it was late, I arrived in a super hot village. The woman
>> running the hotel was kind of nazi, and said, NO! After three rounds of
>> communication, I finally went next door and got a shop keeper who spoke a
>> little English to help translate. Then she got it, and said ok. But the
>> room was an oven.she gladly didn't charge the reservation, and I found a
>> four star camping place for no money, with a restaurant, pool, showers, and
>> made friends with a fantastic couple over dinner. Slept on a few blankets
>> and roughed it, Metukah on leash beside me for the night, a first time
>> adventure for both! Those places are everywhere in the country, five
>> minutes out of town everywhere. Stay open to adventure folks!
>>
>> I hope this writing helps you guys, who are trying to research how to get
>> to
>> the E.U. I went through hell trying to find out. So it's a presentation
>> of
>> what I learned, a statement that it worked, and passing on the experience
>> of
>> success over there. We're just back a couple of weeks. It was, by the
>> way,
>> to France, Amsterdam and Belgium. I understand they are really cool in
>> Germany. Wherever we went, they were a serious dog loving culture, and not
>> nearly uptight like in the U.S., generally.
>>
>> Oh, and sorry, but everyone is going to just coo, and stop to look and or
>> talk to you, and reach right out and love your dog. It's just their
>> culture.deal with it! I handled this as I do at home when I have an
>> uncontrollable "incoming" - the thing to do is make a command called
>> "visit!", or "greet!" Then, you don't have to worry about people stripping
>> your dog's gears. I caught someone reaching in and did this at LAX just
>> this afternoon! It's a lot quicker than waiting for someone to register
>> "oh, wait, no, don't, working dog, please ignore her". In fact, you might
>> be surprised not there, but in the U.S., that commanding your dog to greet
>> someone as they reach actually gets their attention, and they pause in
>> their
>> reach!
>>
>> Feel free to write if you have questions.
>>
>> Cheers, and bon voyage!
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> or Lyft to get around on vacation or during the NFB Convention, be sure to
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:51:43 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] EU health certificate
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>>> Were do I get the actual form to fill out for the EU health
>>> certificate? I asked my vet, and they expect me to bring the form
>>> with me. I see tons of guidance on the USDA site, but can't find a link
>> to the actual form.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:42:29 -0500
>>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
>> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
>> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
>> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
>> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
>> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
>> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
>> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
>> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:48:13 +0000
>>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>>> Hey Jordan.
>>> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you
>>> may want to consider switching schools.
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>> Chantel.
>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
>> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:53:50 -0500
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>>>
>>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
>> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
>> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
>> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
>> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
>> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
>> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
>> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
>> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> NAGDU:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/shardy%40nfbtx.org
>> hello there, I can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from where
>> I've gotten my dogs are top notch. I suppose you could always try
>> contacting
>> your school and possibly seeing if another field rep could make a visit.
>> Maybe that is the possible solution. Good luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:01:56 -0500
>>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>> Message-ID: <1628cbf0-9cbe-e858-3ada-8e152c6ad61f at nfbtx.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Apparently today is the day for my technology to be failing me; as my
>>> earlier message to the list was blank. What that message said, was I
>>> can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from my school are
>>> top notch. You might contact your school to see if another rep could come
>>> out. Hope this helps. Happy 4 to everyone.
>>>
>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190
>>> or (832) 779-7477
>>>
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
>> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
>> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
>> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
>> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
>> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
>> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
>> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
>> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:45:56 -0500
>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>> Message-ID: <e38e6868-47fa-9efd-0ef2-e8959488b0f0 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
>> Earth?
>>>
>>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>>> ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know the
>>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>>
>>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>>
>>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>>
>>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only advice my
>> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
>> plain don't do them since they can be difficult. Slidell is one of those
>> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
>> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
>> them just fine most of the time. Any advice on what I should do besides
>> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
>> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What should I do
>> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> .com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:52:20 -0500
>>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>> Message-ID: <02f501d2f470$8e9d1760$abd74620$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone. I am definitely going
>>> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure. The problem with
>>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>>> stuck. I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
>> back from my last trip.
>>> Jordan
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>
>>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
>> Earth?
>>>
>>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>>> ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know the
>>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>>
>>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>>
>>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>>
>>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
>> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> ail.co
>>> m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:57:02 -0500
>>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>> Message-ID: <02f701d2f471$36cb9880$a462c980$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> Trust me, I have already considered that since he would not take me
>>> seriously about Belto's behavior around other dogs including ones we
>>> encountered during class. I have to give a big thanks to people on
>>> this list who suggested the pinch collar because it put an end to that
>>> issue which makes me happy because last thing I wanted to do was send
>>> the dog back especially Belto who works really well especially today
>>> when it was quite hot, and he kept right on going.
>>> Jordan
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
>>> Cuddemi via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 4:48 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Chantel Cuddemi
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>
>>> Hey Jordan.
>>> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you
>>> may want to consider switching schools.
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>> Chantel.
>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
>>> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> com
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>> NAGDU:
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>>> ail.co
>>> m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 22:20:22 -0500
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>> Message-ID: <014101d2f474$796e9680$6c4bc380$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch
>>> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command
>>> rather quickly.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>
>>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone. I am definitely going
>>> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure. The problem with
>>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>>> stuck. I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
>> back from my last trip.
>>> Jordan
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>
>>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
>> Earth?
>>>
>>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>>> ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know the
>>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>>
>>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>>
>>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>>
>>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
>> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NAGDU:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj402%40gmail.
>>>> com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> ail.co
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 23:57:41 -0500
>>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>> Message-ID: <BB44C638-AE77-450D-9195-46F711A5A184 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> I wish I had that kind of time to do that to be honest. I am quite busy
>> between now and leaving for convention.
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch
>>>> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command
>>>> rather quickly.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>>>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>>
>>>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone. I am definitely
>>>> going to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>>>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure. The problem with
>>>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>>>> stuck. I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>>>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
>> back from my last trip.
>>>> Jordan
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>>>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>>>
>>>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person? I'm
>>>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>>>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using
>>>> Google
>> Earth?
>>>>
>>>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>>>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some
>>>> more ideas. Or help you with other ideas. But if they don't know
>>>> the first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>>>
>>>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor? If you
>>>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>>>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>>>
>>>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>>>> this a new thing? Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>>>> definitely influence the feel. Other than that I can't think of
>>>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>>>
>>>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>>> crossings for which they have never seen? For example, the only
>>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>>> time. Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
>> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing. What
>>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> for
>>>> NAGDU:
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>>>>> com
>>>>
>>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 21:14:05 -0700
> From: Yohei Iwasaki <visionary.robot at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
> Message-ID:
> <CAFFMSGTPVSw985PfZnEBbc3DWPZ7aXF4Fh3H=aaavmg86xbw=g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am considering starting up a company to provide robots that function as
> guide dog for in-door situations.
>
> I would greatly appreciate a chance to speak with you to understand your
> perspectives and needs so that the robots could address some of the highest
> needs. Could you write back to me if you are willing to speak with me via
> call for twenty minutes? I promise that I will not try to sell anything to
> you. I just wish to truly understand what are some of the highest needs you
> have in your daily life.
>
> To introduce myself, I am an entrepreneur passionate about making social
> impact. I founded and worked on multiple startups including one that
> addresses global water and food shortage issues. All my startups have
> raised at least multiple million dollars from institutional investors, made
> social impact, and are alive and active today.
>
> I was introduced to this list from a blind student at Stanford University.
> I recently signed up to this list and have greatly appreciated all
> conversations as it helps me to understand the need and perspectives.
>
> Because of my private situations and nature of any mailing list, I wish to
> explain the current concept and identify my full name and contact details
> in response to your email. I apologize if this is viewed as inappropriate
> by any of you.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:37:57 -0400
> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
> Message-ID: <047a01d2f70d$1964aef0$4c2e0cd0$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> My name is Howard and I have a guide dog, please send me your phone number
> so we can talk, I have
> bsee would like to talk. wb2hww at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Yohei Iwasaki via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 12:14 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Yohei Iwasaki
> Subject: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am considering starting up a company to provide robots that function as
> guide dog for in-door situations.
>
> I would greatly appreciate a chance to speak with you to understand your
> perspectives and needs so that the robots could address some of the highest
> needs. Could you write back to me if you are willing to speak with me via
> call for twenty minutes? I promise that I will not try to sell anything to
> you. I just wish to truly understand what are some of the highest needs you
> have in your daily life.
>
> To introduce myself, I am an entrepreneur passionate about making social
> impact. I founded and worked on multiple startups including one that
> addresses global water and food shortage issues. All my startups have raised
> at least multiple million dollars from institutional investors, made social
> impact, and are alive and active today.
>
> I was introduced to this list from a blind student at Stanford University.
> I recently signed up to this list and have greatly appreciated all
> conversations as it helps me to understand the need and perspectives.
>
> Because of my private situations and nature of any mailing list, I wish to
> explain the current concept and identify my full name and contact details in
> response to your email. I apologize if this is viewed as inappropriate by
> any of you.
>
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> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:52:42 -0400
> From: "Andy B." <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
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> Since you are talking about robots, this subject might be best for the NFB
> CS list. I don't see a need for 'guiding robots' for inside a building and a
> guide dog that works both inside and outside. Call me skeptical, but the
> brain of humans and most animals such as dogs can do much better at
> processing information, formulas, complex logic structures, and the like. I
> understand that technology and Big Data is more reliable than before.
> However, robots seem to have a problem integrating into the human lifestyle.
> There will always be some distrust and social distance between a living
> creature and a robot.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard J. Levine
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 6:38 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
>
> My name is Howard and I have a guide dog, please send me your phone number
> so we can talk, I have bsee would like to talk. wb2hww at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Yohei Iwasaki via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 12:14 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Yohei Iwasaki
> Subject: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am considering starting up a company to provide robots that function as
> guide dog for in-door situations.
>
> I would greatly appreciate a chance to speak with you to understand your
> perspectives and needs so that the robots could address some of the highest
> needs. Could you write back to me if you are willing to speak with me via
> call for twenty minutes? I promise that I will not try to sell anything to
> you. I just wish to truly understand what are some of the highest needs you
> have in your daily life.
>
> To introduce myself, I am an entrepreneur passionate about making social
> impact. I founded and worked on multiple startups including one that
> addresses global water and food shortage issues. All my startups have raised
> at least multiple million dollars from institutional investors, made social
> impact, and are alive and active today.
>
> I was introduced to this list from a blind student at Stanford University.
> I recently signed up to this list and have greatly appreciated all
> conversations as it helps me to understand the need and perspectives.
>
> Because of my private situations and nature of any mailing list, I wish to
> explain the current concept and identify my full name and contact details in
> response to your email. I apologize if this is viewed as inappropriate by
> any of you.
>
> Best regards,
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 12:22:26 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Robot guide dog?
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> I don't expect to see a machine with the intelligence and versatility of a
> good guide dog in my lifetime, but I agree with Alicia's points about the
> up-side of such a thing.
>
> The older I get, the less I enjoy breaking in a new dog, especially since
> the last 2 have taken literally years to get into a smooth working
> relationship, and have retained some behaviors I would be happy to do
> without.
>
> I suppose some people are thinking "well then, use a cane", but, for me, a
> cane is nowhere near as good as a guide dog, especially with my hearing
> getting worse and cars getting quieter. And there are things a dog can do a
> cane just can't.
>
> I don't think companionship is a good reason to have a guide dog. To me,
> that smacks of the "companion in our lonely darkness" crap sometimes peddled
> by guide dog schools that makes me crazy. I firmly believe blind people
> don't need canine companionship any more or less than anyone else. I can't
> imagine my life without a dog in it, but, if I didn't have a guide dog, I'd
> have a pet. There are days when I've gotten up off my butt to go for a
> walk, because I know my dog and I can use the work, even on days I don't
> have a particular place to go. But I frequently meet my neighbors
> exercising their dogs, and I could do the same. I would miss the constant
> presence of a dog, but there would be things I wouldn't miss, too.
>
> So, while I don't expect to actually ever have one, I can see the
> possibilities of a robot guide.
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 10:56:16 -0700
> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> To: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot guide dog?
> Message-ID: <10a6a24b-6dc2-8e3f-d6a9-4147cff59461 at poodlemutt.com>
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> Tracy,
>
> Yeah. As I've been sort of idly pondering the general robot idea and
> what people are saying about it, it has occurred to me that I would
> probably be quite happy with a high-tech approximation of a guide dog,
> and a nice pet dog to play and take long walks with. I get the
> impression my dog likes his job, especially the part where we're going
> out adventuring. He needs to forego a lot of simple doggy pleasures on
> working adventures, but I really get the impression he gets something
> out of being the lead dog with important responsibilities that keep his
> active brain nicely occupied. Or maybe after all the training and gushy
> praise every time he did the right thing, he's just happy to be a good
> boy. Who knows? I did wonder briefly if I would be depriving him of
> something just doing pet things with him and using a machine to do his
> work, but that was silly. He would be just fine sniffing and veering off
> the sidewalk to check out what's under the bushes at the end of the
> leash and watching squirrels instead of pedestrians and traffic. I could
> go along with my nice, dependable robot without having to constantly
> remind it to Leave It and get back to work. I must also be more
> intrigued by the notion than I realize, since I've expanded and upgraded
> the indoor robot under consideration. /lol/
>
> I feel the same way as you about the companionship aspect. Yes, I enjoy
> my dog's company and just like having him with me on the go and around
> the house. I even enjoy some of the silliness his youthful self injects
> into his important, serious work. There are a couple of besetting sins
> we're still working on and will probably be working on to some extent
> throughout his career, but that seems to be part of using a guide dog.
> They're supposed to be perfect, but they're not. Anyway, I enjoy him and
> feel a sense of companionship that I appreciate, but that is most
> definitely not the point and certainly not worth the hassles that seem
> to be part of guide dog use. It's his careful, clever guiding that
> makes it worth brushing the hassles off as just part of the package. One
> of the hassles that crops up and by now sends me into an instant fury is
> the syrupy sweet out of nowhere comment, "Oh, I think it's just so nice
> that you have such a good friend to make you feel better." I've given up
> trying to find a way to get across that he's doing some pretty complex
> work just so I can walk around safely and that they're sort of
> interrupting him in it while they're gushing that incredibly offensive
> nonsense. Now I just take a deep breath, ignore the whistling sound as
> steam bursts out of my ears and move on. At least I've never burst into
> a rant about how I have friends -- people friends! -- so I don't need to
> get a dog just to have a friend. That would be just too pathetic. /lol/
>
> Some of the serious ideas people have discussed about how a guide robot
> could function to be a good mobility aid are really great, along with
> the pros and cons and future projections. I've thought of a few of them,
> but many never crossed my mind. I, too, think it will be a good long
> while before a lot of it happens, and there will be a number of
> intermediate versions along the way, some good and some not. My kiddo is
> just three, and I'm already dreading having to start considering my next
> in another 6 or 7 years. I'll be into my 60's by then, so he's my last
> poodle for sure. Possibly my last owner-trained guide. Sad for me, but
> sadder for whichever school trainer has to deal with me along about
> then. /lol/ Then I'll be back to all the new young dog nonsense, only
> I'll be older and crabbier. Yay! Robot, please! /lol/
>
> Tami
>
> On 07/08/2017 09:22 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>> I don't expect to see a machine with the intelligence and versatility of a
>> good guide dog in my lifetime, but I agree with Alicia's points about the
>> up-side of such a thing.
>>
>> The older I get, the less I enjoy breaking in a new dog, especially since
>> the last 2 have taken literally years to get into a smooth working
>> relationship, and have retained some behaviors I would be happy to do
>> without.
>>
>> I suppose some people are thinking "well then, use a cane", but, for me, a
>> cane is nowhere near as good as a guide dog, especially with my hearing
>> getting worse and cars getting quieter. And there are things a dog can do a
>> cane just can't.
>>
>> I don't think companionship is a good reason to have a guide dog. To me,
>> that smacks of the "companion in our lonely darkness" crap sometimes peddled
>> by guide dog schools that makes me crazy. I firmly believe blind people
>> don't need canine companionship any more or less than anyone else. I can't
>> imagine my life without a dog in it, but, if I didn't have a guide dog, I'd
>> have a pet. There are days when I've gotten up off my butt to go for a
>> walk, because I know my dog and I can use the work, even on days I don't
>> have a particular place to go. But I frequently meet my neighbors
>> exercising their dogs, and I could do the same. I would miss the constant
>> presence of a dog, but there would be things I wouldn't miss, too.
>>
>> So, while I don't expect to actually ever have one, I can see the
>> possibilities of a robot guide.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 12:59:01 -0600
> From: "Melissa R Green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
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>
> very very well said. No thank you to a robot. I would try a guide cat
> before a guide robot.
>
>
>
>
> Best,
> Melissa R. Green And Pj
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sherry Gomes via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 7:48 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Sherry Gomes
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
>
> I have had guide dogs for over 40 years. I was a fine cane handler before
> I
> got my first dog. But the companionship and affection of a dog is a huge
> reason I wanted to get a guide dog. A robot would not be of interest to
> me.
> If I didn't want the affection and bond with a dog, a warm, funny living
> being, I'd never have gotten the first dog.
>
> Sherry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 6:56 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
>
> I don't see much purpose in having a guide that only works indoors. I'd
> still need my dog to get to wherever. I can see that it could be handy in
> a
> mall, if it would tell me the stores we were passing by, or I could
> program
> it to take me to Macy's, but that's not a thing I'd need all that often.
> And, if all it does is take me around obstacles, stop for stairs, etc,
> well,
> my dog does that, and he can work anywhere.
> (Would a robot guide be like a Darlek, unable to handle stairs? Old
> cartoon: Darlek at the bottom of a flight of stairs, "Our plans for world
> domination will have to wait.")
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Yohei Iwasaki
> via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 12:14 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Yohei Iwasaki
> Subject: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am considering starting up a company to provide robots that function as
> guide dog for in-door situations.
>
> I would greatly appreciate a chance to speak with you to understand your
> perspectives and needs so that the robots could address some of the
> highest
> needs. Could you write back to me if you are willing to speak with me via
> call for twenty minutes? I promise that I will not try to sell anything to
> you. I just wish to truly understand what are some of the highest needs
> you
> have in your daily life.
>
> To introduce myself, I am an entrepreneur passionate about making social
> impact. I founded and worked on multiple startups including one that
> addresses global water and food shortage issues. All my startups have
> raised
> at least multiple million dollars from institutional investors, made
> social
> impact, and are alive and active today.
>
> I was introduced to this list from a blind student at Stanford University.
> I recently signed up to this list and have greatly appreciated all
> conversations as it helps me to understand the need and perspectives.
>
> Because of my private situations and nature of any mailing list, I wish to
> explain the current concept and identify my full name and contact details
> in
> response to your email. I apologize if this is viewed as inappropriate by
> any of you.
>
> Best regards,
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 21:12:36 +0000
> From: Lisa Ison <lison1273 at live.com>
> To: Discussions Of The Seeing Eye <seeingeye-l at list.web.net>
> Cc: "Darla J. Rogers" <Common-lounge at lists.screenreview.org>,
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
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> Hi all, my name is Lisa Ison. I have a guide dog and her name is Nori. I had her guide me to my apartment complexes pool today. I tied her down under a table with an umbrella so she could have some shade. I thought she might enjoy being out of the apartment and being with me while I swim and had other people swimming as well. I thought she would like this since she would not be stuck in the apartment all day. However when I jumped in she whined like someone was killing her. How do I get her used to being at the pool and being quiet. I tried jumping in twice and she whined both times. HELP!!! I want to be able to enjoy my weekends at the pool with my dog by my side. What can I do? What would you suggest? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated and much valued.
>
>
>
>
> Lisa Ison
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 14:28:12 -0700
> From: <rickyjoecook at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
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>
> Hi lisa, I am in the same boat with my black lab Darcy. I want to take her
> to the pool with me and put her on tie down under an umbrella.
>
> I would say maybe not jumping into the pool but just walk into the pool and
> as you do it reassure her that its alright. If she starts to wine give her
> the command your school has for her to be quiet. Just a suggestion.
>
> Ricky Joe Cook & Pilot Dog Darcy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lisa Ison via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:12 PM
> To: Discussions Of The Seeing Eye
> Cc: Lisa Ison ; Darla J. Rogers ; GDUI-Friends Moderator ; nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>
>
> Hi all, my name is Lisa Ison. I have a guide dog and her name is Nori. I
> had her guide me to my apartment complexes pool today. I tied her down under
> a table with an umbrella so she could have some shade. I thought she might
> enjoy being out of the apartment and being with me while I swim and had
> other people swimming as well. I thought she would like this since she would
> not be stuck in the apartment all day. However when I jumped in she whined
> like someone was killing her. How do I get her used to being at the pool and
> being quiet. I tried jumping in twice and she whined both times. HELP!!! I
> want to be able to enjoy my weekends at the pool with my dog by my side.
> What can I do? What would you suggest? Any help or advice would be greatly
> appreciated and much valued.
>
>
>
>
> Lisa Ison
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 16:40:37 -0500
> From: "Janell" <nellie at culodge.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
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> First I would just go to the pool several times but not swim. Just sit with
> her while there are others swimming and making noise... just a thought
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 4:28 PM
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: rickyjoecook at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>
> Hi lisa, I am in the same boat with my black lab Darcy. I want to take her
> to the pool with me and put her on tie down under an umbrella.
>
> I would say maybe not jumping into the pool but just walk into the pool and
> as you do it reassure her that its alright. If she starts to wine give her
> the command your school has for her to be quiet. Just a suggestion.
>
> Ricky Joe Cook & Pilot Dog Darcy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lisa Ison via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:12 PM
> To: Discussions Of The Seeing Eye
> Cc: Lisa Ison ; Darla J. Rogers ; GDUI-Friends Moderator ; nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>
>
> Hi all, my name is Lisa Ison. I have a guide dog and her name is Nori. I
> had her guide me to my apartment complexes pool today. I tied her down under
>
> a table with an umbrella so she could have some shade. I thought she might
> enjoy being out of the apartment and being with me while I swim and had
> other people swimming as well. I thought she would like this since she would
>
> not be stuck in the apartment all day. However when I jumped in she whined
> like someone was killing her. How do I get her used to being at the pool and
>
> being quiet. I tried jumping in twice and she whined both times. HELP!!! I
> want to be able to enjoy my weekends at the pool with my dog by my side.
> What can I do? What would you suggest? Any help or advice would be greatly
> appreciated and much valued.
>
>
>
>
> Lisa Ison
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 15:17:00 -0700
> From: <rickyjoecook at comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
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> Hi all, while we are on the topic of pools and guide dogs. I wanted to ask
> is a public pool a place that you legally can take your guide dog and be
> covered by the ADA? Actually the pool is a community pool for the 55 +
> community I live in and our guests.
>
> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janell via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:40 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Janell
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>
> First I would just go to the pool several times but not swim. Just sit with
> her while there are others swimming and making noise... just a thought
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 4:28 PM
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: rickyjoecook at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>
> Hi lisa, I am in the same boat with my black lab Darcy. I want to take her
> to the pool with me and put her on tie down under an umbrella.
>
> I would say maybe not jumping into the pool but just walk into the pool and
> as you do it reassure her that its alright. If she starts to wine give her
> the command your school has for her to be quiet. Just a suggestion.
>
> Ricky Joe Cook & Pilot Dog Darcy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lisa Ison via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:12 PM
> To: Discussions Of The Seeing Eye
> Cc: Lisa Ison ; Darla J. Rogers ; GDUI-Friends Moderator ; nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>
>
> Hi all, my name is Lisa Ison. I have a guide dog and her name is Nori. I
> had her guide me to my apartment complexes pool today. I tied her down under
>
> a table with an umbrella so she could have some shade. I thought she might
> enjoy being out of the apartment and being with me while I swim and had
> other people swimming as well. I thought she would like this since she would
>
> not be stuck in the apartment all day. However when I jumped in she whined
> like someone was killing her. How do I get her used to being at the pool and
>
> being quiet. I tried jumping in twice and she whined both times. HELP!!! I
> want to be able to enjoy my weekends at the pool with my dog by my side.
> What can I do? What would you suggest? Any help or advice would be greatly
> appreciated and much valued.
>
>
>
>
> Lisa Ison
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:04:58 -0400
> From: luannbowers4 at gmail.com
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> Hi there. You're a little of her little ideas. To help you. When you go to the pool. Maybe. You would like to take one of her favorite blankets. For her to lay on. That might help her feel secure. And another thing. You might want to take one of her favorite bones. Or one of her favorite toys. I know. When I take these things to the gym. For my dog cadence. That helps her feel very secure. Hope this helps
>
>> On Jul 8, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, while we are on the topic of pools and guide dogs. I wanted to ask is a public pool a place that you legally can take your guide dog and be covered by the ADA? Actually the pool is a community pool for the 55 + community I live in and our guests.
>>
>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Janell via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:40 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Janell
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>
>> First I would just go to the pool several times but not swim. Just sit with
>> her while there are others swimming and making noise... just a thought
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 4:28 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: rickyjoecook at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>
>> Hi lisa, I am in the same boat with my black lab Darcy. I want to take her
>> to the pool with me and put her on tie down under an umbrella.
>>
>> I would say maybe not jumping into the pool but just walk into the pool and
>> as you do it reassure her that its alright. If she starts to wine give her
>> the command your school has for her to be quiet. Just a suggestion.
>>
>> Ricky Joe Cook & Pilot Dog Darcy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lisa Ison via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:12 PM
>> To: Discussions Of The Seeing Eye
>> Cc: Lisa Ison ; Darla J. Rogers ; GDUI-Friends Moderator ; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>
>>
>> Hi all, my name is Lisa Ison. I have a guide dog and her name is Nori. I
>> had her guide me to my apartment complexes pool today. I tied her down under
>>
>> a table with an umbrella so she could have some shade. I thought she might
>> enjoy being out of the apartment and being with me while I swim and had
>> other people swimming as well. I thought she would like this since she would
>>
>> not be stuck in the apartment all day. However when I jumped in she whined
>> like someone was killing her. How do I get her used to being at the pool and
>>
>> being quiet. I tried jumping in twice and she whined both times. HELP!!! I
>> want to be able to enjoy my weekends at the pool with my dog by my side.
>> What can I do? What would you suggest? Any help or advice would be greatly
>> appreciated and much valued.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lisa Ison
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 16:10:42 -0700
> From: <rickyjoecook at comcast.net>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
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>
> Hi when you go to the gym can you tell me what you do with her? Do you put
> her on tie down some where or do you just have her on a down and stay
> command?
>
> I am asking because I am trying to decide what is the best thing to do with
> Darcy when I go to the pool or to say line dancing at our club house.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ricky Joe & Darcy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: luannbowers4--- via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 4:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: luannbowers4 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>
> Hi there. You're a little of her little ideas. To help you. When you go to
> the pool. Maybe. You would like to take one of her favorite blankets. For
> her to lay on. That might help her feel secure. And another thing. You might
> want to take one of her favorite bones. Or one of her favorite toys. I know.
> When I take these things to the gym. For my dog cadence. That helps her feel
> very secure. Hope this helps
>
>> On Jul 8, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, while we are on the topic of pools and guide dogs. I wanted to ask
>> is a public pool a place that you legally can take your guide dog and be
>> covered by the ADA? Actually the pool is a community pool for the 55 +
>> community I live in and our guests.
>>
>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Janell via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:40 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Janell
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>
>> First I would just go to the pool several times but not swim. Just sit
>> with
>> her while there are others swimming and making noise... just a thought
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 4:28 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: rickyjoecook at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>
>> Hi lisa, I am in the same boat with my black lab Darcy. I want to take her
>> to the pool with me and put her on tie down under an umbrella.
>>
>> I would say maybe not jumping into the pool but just walk into the pool
>> and
>> as you do it reassure her that its alright. If she starts to wine give her
>> the command your school has for her to be quiet. Just a suggestion.
>>
>> Ricky Joe Cook & Pilot Dog Darcy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lisa Ison via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:12 PM
>> To: Discussions Of The Seeing Eye
>> Cc: Lisa Ison ; Darla J. Rogers ; GDUI-Friends Moderator ;
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>
>>
>> Hi all, my name is Lisa Ison. I have a guide dog and her name is Nori. I
>> had her guide me to my apartment complexes pool today. I tied her down
>> under
>>
>> a table with an umbrella so she could have some shade. I thought she might
>> enjoy being out of the apartment and being with me while I swim and had
>> other people swimming as well. I thought she would like this since she
>> would
>>
>> not be stuck in the apartment all day. However when I jumped in she whined
>> like someone was killing her. How do I get her used to being at the pool
>> and
>>
>> being quiet. I tried jumping in twice and she whined both times. HELP!!!
>> I
>> want to be able to enjoy my weekends at the pool with my dog by my side.
>> What can I do? What would you suggest? Any help or advice would be greatly
>> appreciated and much valued.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lisa Ison
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 21:57:31 -0400
> From: luannbowers4 at gmail.com
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>> On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:10 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi when you go to the gym can you tell me what you do with her? Do you put her on tie down some where or do you just have her on a down and stay command?
>>
>> I am asking because I am trying to decide what is the best thing to do with Darcy when I go to the pool or to say line dancing at our club house.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ricky Joe & Darcy
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: luannbowers4--- via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 4:04 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: luannbowers4 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>
>> Hi there. You're a little of her little ideas. To help you. When you go to the pool. Maybe. You would like to take one of her favorite blankets. For her to lay on. That might help her feel secure. And another thing. You might want to take one of her favorite bones. Or one of her favorite toys. I know. When I take these things to the gym. For my dog cadence. That helps her feel very secure. Hope this helps
>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, while we are on the topic of pools and guide dogs. I wanted to ask is a public pool a place that you legally can take your guide dog and be covered by the ADA? Actually the pool is a community pool for the 55 + community I live in and our guests.
>>>
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Janell via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:40 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Janell
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>>
>>> First I would just go to the pool several times but not swim. Just sit with
>>> her while there are others swimming and making noise... just a thought
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 4:28 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: rickyjoecook at comcast.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>>
>>> Hi lisa, I am in the same boat with my black lab Darcy. I want to take her
>>> to the pool with me and put her on tie down under an umbrella.
>>>
>>> I would say maybe not jumping into the pool but just walk into the pool and
>>> as you do it reassure her that its alright. If she starts to wine give her
>>> the command your school has for her to be quiet. Just a suggestion.
>>>
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Pilot Dog Darcy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lisa Ison via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:12 PM
>>> To: Discussions Of The Seeing Eye
>>> Cc: Lisa Ison ; Darla J. Rogers ; GDUI-Friends Moderator ; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Acclimating a dog to being at the side of a pool
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all, my name is Lisa Ison. I have a guide dog and her name is Nori. I
>>> had her guide me to my apartment complexes pool today. I tied her down under
>>>
>>> a table with an umbrella so she could have some shade. I thought she might
>>> enjoy being out of the apartment and being with me while I swim and had
>>> other people swimming as well. I thought she would like this since she would
>>>
>>> not be stuck in the apartment all day. However when I jumped in she whined
>>> like someone was killing her. How do I get her used to being at the pool and
>>>
>>> being quiet. I tried jumping in twice and she whined both times. HELP!!! I
>>> want to be able to enjoy my weekends at the pool with my dog by my side.
>>> What can I do? What would you suggest? Any help or advice would be greatly
>>> appreciated and much valued.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lisa Ison
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
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