[NAGDU] Escalators, and how different schools handle them?

Tue Jul 18 19:42:09 UTC 2017

I'm from Pilot. Just remind me if possible I don't use the escalators that 
often. Where do you have the dog when stepping out onto the escalator? 
Beside you or slightly behind you? I think its slightly behind so that you 
step off slightly ahead of the dog and the dog makes that little hop off?

Ricky Joe Cook & Pilot Dog Darcy

-----Original Message----- 
From: lkeeler--- via NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:52 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: lkeeler at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Escalators, and how different schools handle them?

Pilot doesn't. They teach us to put our foot out front and then to just go
forward.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:12 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Buddy Brannan
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Escalators, and how different schools handle them?

Hi,

My understanding is that GDF doesn't teach the picking your dog up by the
backstrap thing anymore. (I think that an instructor may have had an
uncomfortable reminder of wy that's maybe not the best idea ever, but I'm
not sure. ...)

--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Mobile (preferred): (814) 431-0962
Phone: (814) 860-3194
Email: buddy at brannan.name

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Heather Bird via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> David, you mentioned picking up your dog by the chest strap. I have heard
> that some schools teach you to pick the dog up at the end, but I have 
> never
> seen it done. None of the schools I have attended teaches it that way, or 
> at
> least they did not at the time I attended their training programs. Could 
> you
> refresh my memory as to which school Clair Rose is from? Also, what 
> exactly
> is the procedure that you were taught? I've been taught to work the dog up
> to the escalator, where they will stop at the near side of the plate. Then
> you touch the hand rail and verify that the escalator is running away from
> and not towards you, and to confirm the slope, up or down of the steps.
> Then, you drop the harness handle and make a very short leash, pulling 
> your
> dog up pretty close to you. Then you heal your dog across the metal plate,
> stopping right at the far edge. Then you give your dog the command to heal
> or to come with you. I use "let's go." Then you step quickly and 
> decisively
> onto the moving steps, bringing your dog along with you to make sure that
> they move briskly and smoothly over the gap from where the stairs issue.
> Then you stand beside your dog, and very slightly ahead of them, with 
> their
> leash wrapped around your arm to keep them from moving ahead of you or
> dropping back behind you. You ride with your right arm extended out far in
> front of you and your hand on the right hand rail so that you will know
> right away when the slope starts to level out, indicating that you are
> approaching the end of the escalator. When you are getting close you 
> remind
> your dog to stay, in my case, "rest" then when you judge that you are 
> about
> one or two steps from the gap, you tell your dog "break" and give them the
> full length, all the slack, of the short configuration of the working 
> leash.
> Your dog will leap off the end, with a small jump over the gap, but not 
> one
> so big as to pull the handler off balance. You pick up your toes and step
> across the gap at about the same time that your dog is jumping off. You 
> move
> along with your dog forward and off of the metal plate, then pick up the
> harness handle and continue on. This was pretty much the same procedure I
> was taught at GEB, Fidelco and the Seeing Eye. I do not know if GEB or
> Fidelco have changed since I was working with them, but I just did
> escalators last summer at TSE and what I currently do is in line with what
> they are teaching most or all of their students at this time. I have heard
> that some schools absolutely refuse to teach their teams to do escalators,
> and I understand that some schools teach it, but use different methods. 
> So,
> I am interested in the methods that are being used by other programs. I
> believe that extremes are foolish in most cases. Absolutely outright
> forbidding grads to use escalators, ever, under any circumstances and 
> never
> exposing the dogs to them, seems to me very negligent. On the complete
> opposite end of the continuum would be the completely lax attitude of a
> program that would give little or no guidance for handling escalators,
> assuming them to be safe and having no dedicated commands or specialized
> procedures for teams to negotiate escalators. So, a school teaching them,
> but doing so with prudent caution seems to be the most sensible and also
> seems to be how the majority of schools are doing it these days. I've 
> always
> taken my dogs on escalators and I will always continue to do so, but I 
> will
> also always maintain a healthy respect for them and treat them with 
> caution.
> For instance, at convention, I used the escalators rather than the stairs
> for almost every single instance of floor changes that we did, because 
> Ilsa
> absolutely adores escalators and loves finding them for me, and asking her
> to locate them was a great way to quickly get from the main hotel to the
> main convention area or from the far flung meeting rooms to the transition
> from the convention space to the entertainment and sleeping room portion 
> of
> the hotel. However, when I was helping a wheelchair user who could stand 
> and
> walk a little bit, I put Ilsa's leash around a railing, far from the
> escalator, so that she could not try to follow me, and I helped the friend
> to stand on the escalator and ride down. Then I folded the wheelchair and
> carried it down as I rode the escalator. Then I ran up the stairs, 
> collected
> Ilsa and then road down with her. I could have physically carried the 
> chair
> down while riding with Ilsa, but I would not have had appropriate control
> over her to help to ensure her safety, so I worked her and carried the 
> chair
> separately and it worked just fine. Last comment, it is not generally
> advisable to work your dogs on the moving sidewalks, but I think it is
> important to know how they work just in case of emergencies. I was once
> working through an airport with an individual who knew very little 
> English.
> We were in a hurry to catch our plane and they wanted to take me to an
> elevator at one point, which was about ten minutes of walking out of our
> way. I told them that my dog could do escalators and that I did not have
> time to go and take an elevator. We did the escalator fine, then we
> encountered what the man referred to as an escalator. It sounded like an
> escalator. I didn't feel a hand rail, but I thought that perhaps it was 
> very
> wide to accommodate people with suitcases, so I stepped on. I realized 
> right
> away that it was a moving sidewalk. I immediately asked English speaking
> passengers along with me on the sidewalk questions about how long it was 
> and
> how close we were to the end. I made Frieda stand and stay using the rest
> command and I moved quite a ways ahead of her. I pointed my toes slightly 
> up
> so that they would clear the gap and warn me so that I could step off. The
> audible warning that the walkway was ending was a good ten seconds before
> you actually reached the end so it was not a good marker of the end of the
> moving belt we were standing on. I timed it such that as I was exiting I
> gave Frieda the command to jump off, and she did so, and it worked just
> fine. I would not recommend intentionally taking these moving sidewalks 
> with
> a guide dog, but my knowledge of how they worked from riding them with a
> cane and my school's training regarding escalators helped me to make a
> potentially dangerous situation a heck of a lot safer, for which I am very
> grateful.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name

_______________________________________________
NAGDU mailing list
NAGDU at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/lkeeler%40comcast.net

_______________________________________________
NAGDU mailing list
NAGDU at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rickyjoecook%40comcast.net 