[NAGDU] Ethics, Law, & Your Public Comments: Was Retired Dogs & Rent

Thu Jun 22 01:29:02 UTC 2017

Semi retired means only working part time due to old age or helth.  So, I
don't think there is any problem in doing what I said.  
Jordan
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I would have to agree with President Gwizdala on this semi-retired business.
I had a dog who was retired once in about 2006. I retired him during my
first semester at the seminary. I missed him terribly. The school gave me
permission to bring him back to stay at the school with me because he had
been my companion. I kept him there the rest of the semester, but I learned
some interesting and eye-opening things. 
1) Since he was retired or even semi-retired, he wouldn't be going to class
with me but, rather, would stay in my room. He was not destructive, but this
fact alone had totally changed the relationship between him, me, and the
school for that matter.

2) If I went to someone's room/apartment because they had a get-together or
a party, they could ask me not to bring him, and I would need to comply. It
would have been wrong for me to argue this point. 

3) There was a pet policy at my seminary. There was a weight limit, and all
of the pets had to live in a certain building. I did not live in that
building, and my dog was larger than the pet limit by spades no matter where
we stayed. 

4) People were staying there at the school during the week; then many went
home for the weekend. They missed their pets that couldn't come along, and
there was a little sense of unfairness about it. It occurred to me just how
unfair it was that my dog was there. He wasn't a guide anymore, he was a
pet. So I made the decision to leave him at home after about six weeks. It
had helped me through a difficult time, but I had risked my relationships
with many I think. 

My current dog is actually retired. One day I had him work me to the
dentist, but I didn't hide the fact that he was actually retired. He was in
harness doing what he was supposed to do. I used him because with large tree
equipment outside I couldn't hear if there was traffic or not. I'm not sure
it was ethical for me to do this; I did not lie about who he was, and the
dentist regarded him as a guide. This is not something I would make a
practice of because I think he either is retired or he isn't. If I were in a
situation where pet deposits were required,  I would pay it because Fisher
is now a pet. Carrying that further, I suppose I would have to find a new
place to live if there was a size limit on the pet or the pet wasn't allowed
at all, though if I were in a lease situation I might negotiate a
satisfactory way to deal with the remainder of the lease, depending on the
terms of it.

Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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	In graduate school I was required to take a course in ethics. The
professor defined ethics as "compliance with the unenforceable". I believe
this is as much a matter of ethics as it is a matter of law. In my opinion,
taking advantage of the law by calling a retired service dog "semi retired"
is unethical, as well as illegal.  How is this different than those who take
advantage of the law that provides us access to places of public
accommodation with our service dog by misrepresenting their pet as a service
dog? It is no different when we call our retired service dog semi retired in
order to avoid paying a pet deposit. Folks, we can't have it both ways! We
cannot ask for those who misrepresent their pets as service dogs to not do
so if we are willing to act the same way. 

	I also want to remind everyone that this list is publicly archived
on the internet. What you say and how you represent yourself is here for the
entire world to read. If you are willing to compromise your integrity by
suggesting someone act in a manner contrary to ethics and law, you are
telling the world a lot about yourself. Is this the way you want others to
think of you? 
Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of
the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG

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characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
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Here is what my instructor said about that.  Semi retire the dog since you
can have two service animals with no problems.  That is what I would do.
Jordan

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Hey folks,
So a question was asked on a group i follow and wondered what you guys knew.

So, if you're renting either a house or apartment with your current guide.
I'm going to assume you're not paying a pet fee.

Folks that have done this before, after you retire your guide; do you have
to pay a pet fee if you keep your guide, do you have to then pay a pet fee?

Just curious to know what you've experienced.

Thanks,
Nancy

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
voice dictation Nancy Irwin

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