[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 144, Issue 6
Mardi Hadfield
wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com
Mon Mar 6 08:15:09 UTC 2017
Hi Aleeah, Mardi here. If it were me having the problem you are having, I
would call the police and explain that these children are left out there
unattended and are non English speaking. That they are distracting your dog
and you are afraid that you could get hurt. Tell them also that you called
your landlord to no avail and could they please come and help you.It may
take a while for them to get there but they should come. They will be able
to find out who the parents are. These children should never be left
unattended as what would happen if they left the area and disappeared or
some one abducted them. The parents are at the very least,neglectful. I
hope this is helpful. Mardi
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> 1. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Julie Johnson)
> 2. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Danielle Ledet)
> 3. Re: email address (Danielle Ledet)
> 4. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Aleeha Dudley)
> 5. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Cindy Ray)
> 6. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Becky Frankeberger)
> 7. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Rachel Grider)
> 8. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Nancy VanderBrink)
> 9. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Aleeha Dudley)
> 10. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Aleeha Dudley)
> 11. New TSA screening (Becky Frankeberger)
> 12. Re: school (d m gina)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 06:09:19 -0600
> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
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> I agree with obedience exercises and other practice around the kids.
> I'd be easy with the corrections though. I'm remembering Whitley is a
> soft dog, who needs a lot of encouragement.
>
> I'd also work with the kids and kids parents if available. If the kids
> are at least 4 or 5, they should be able to understand how to interact
> with dogs. It sounds like these kids are excited to see the dog, but
> unsure of what to do or how to appropriately interact. I'd try to show
> them as much as the language barrier allowed. Do you know anyone who
> could translate for you?
>
> With most kids, I've found addressing the initial excitement and giving
> specific rules about when and how it's okay to interact, helps the kids
> be calm and appropriate around my dogs.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 08:23:20 -0600
> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
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> Ahahaha! I'd employ the same tactic used to deter animals. Get you a
> spray bottle of water and after you've tried all else, douse them! You
> did say they don't speak English and your other means of head shaking
> and other commonly recognized signs did not work. Neither has
> contacting the landlord, and how can you find out who the parents are?
> That's bound to get some wanted response!
>
> On 3/4/17, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > I agree with obedience exercises and other practice around the kids.
> > I'd be easy with the corrections though. I'm remembering Whitley is a
> > soft dog, who needs a lot of encouragement.
> >
> > I'd also work with the kids and kids parents if available. If the kids
> > are at least 4 or 5, they should be able to understand how to interact
> > with dogs. It sounds like these kids are excited to see the dog, but
> > unsure of what to do or how to appropriately interact. I'd try to show
> > them as much as the language barrier allowed. Do you know anyone who
> > could translate for you?
> >
> > With most kids, I've found addressing the initial excitement and giving
> > specific rules about when and how it's okay to interact, helps the kids
> > be calm and appropriate around my dogs.
> >
> > Julie
> >
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> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
> have been all of these.
> George Washington Carver
> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:45:17 -0600
> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] email address
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> You have to click on the link at thre bottom of the messages where it
> takes you to mailman. You need your password to enter your personal
> page and there you will find options to change your email address.
> Optionally, you can write privately to Cindy and she should be able to
> do that for you.
>
> On 3/2/17, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hello
> > I am trying to change my email address where I am told I am not a member,
> > Can you help?
> > My new email address is
> >
> > dmgina at mysero.net
> >
> > Thanks
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> How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
> have been all of these.
> George Washington Carver
> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:55:25 -0600
> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
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> Cindy,
> I cannot take her somewhere else, as my apartment door faces the courtyard
> these kids play in. They come racing over to bother her every time they see
> us, and there is no other way for me to get into my apartment.
> Woodley is a very soft dog, and too many harsh corrections would break her.
> Since the parents are not outside, there is no real way for me to find out
> who they are.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 4, 2017, at 8:23 AM, Danielle Ledet via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ahahaha! I'd employ the same tactic used to deter animals. Get you a
> > spray bottle of water and after you've tried all else, douse them! You
> > did say they don't speak English and your other means of head shaking
> > and other commonly recognized signs did not work. Neither has
> > contacting the landlord, and how can you find out who the parents are?
> > That's bound to get some wanted response!
> >
> >> On 3/4/17, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> I agree with obedience exercises and other practice around the kids.
> >> I'd be easy with the corrections though. I'm remembering Whitley is a
> >> soft dog, who needs a lot of encouragement.
> >>
> >> I'd also work with the kids and kids parents if available. If the kids
> >> are at least 4 or 5, they should be able to understand how to interact
> >> with dogs. It sounds like these kids are excited to see the dog, but
> >> unsure of what to do or how to appropriately interact. I'd try to show
> >> them as much as the language barrier allowed. Do you know anyone who
> >> could translate for you?
> >>
> >> With most kids, I've found addressing the initial excitement and giving
> >> specific rules about when and how it's okay to interact, helps the kids
> >> be calm and appropriate around my dogs.
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
> > compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
> > tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
> > have been all of these.
> > George Washington Carver
> > Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:59:44 -0600
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
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> Ah, I only asked that question because I don't know what the lay o ut of
> your building is, such as if you could go out a different door, etc.
>
> Cindy
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
> via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 9:55 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex
>
> Cindy,
> I cannot take her somewhere else, as my apartment door faces the courtyard
> these kids play in. They come racing over to bother her every time they see
> us, and there is no other way for me to get into my apartment.
> Woodley is a very soft dog, and too many harsh corrections would break her.
> Since the parents are not outside, there is no real way for me to find out
> who they are.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 4, 2017, at 8:23 AM, Danielle Ledet via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ahahaha! I'd employ the same tactic used to deter animals. Get you a
> > spray bottle of water and after you've tried all else, douse them! You
> > did say they don't speak English and your other means of head shaking
> > and other commonly recognized signs did not work. Neither has
> > contacting the landlord, and how can you find out who the parents are?
> > That's bound to get some wanted response!
> >
> >> On 3/4/17, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> I agree with obedience exercises and other practice around the kids.
> >> I'd be easy with the corrections though. I'm remembering Whitley is
> >> a soft dog, who needs a lot of encouragement.
> >>
> >> I'd also work with the kids and kids parents if available. If the
> >> kids are at least 4 or 5, they should be able to understand how to
> >> interact with dogs. It sounds like these kids are excited to see the
> dog, but
> >> unsure of what to do or how to appropriately interact. I'd try to show
> >> them as much as the language barrier allowed. Do you know anyone who
> >> could translate for you?
> >>
> >> With most kids, I've found addressing the initial excitement and
> >> giving specific rules about when and how it's okay to interact, helps
> >> the kids be calm and appropriate around my dogs.
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> mail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
> > compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
> > tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
> > have been all of these.
> > George Washington Carver
> > Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 08:33:31 -0800
> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
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> I agree with Julie, educate the kids. Give them candy and ask them to sit
> down and you teach them with coloring books that are out there about guide
> dogs. Tell them to sit and wait giving them candy or cookies while you take
> the dog. Hand out to them to wait while Whitley parks, or you go down the
> steps, then another candy or cookie reward for being so good, the kids that
> is. But really Julie had the best idea. Get used to it if you are going to
> be a vet. Sometimes they listen and sometimes not. But the book should help
> the parents teach the kids, well I hope anyway.
>
> Treats of crackers, pretzels, cookies, candy, life savers, nothing with a
> stick they might get hurt.
>
> Becky and Jake still pawing around
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 3:58 PM
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> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex
>
> Hey all,
> I have an interesting situation in my apartment complex that I would like
> your thoughts about.
> All the apartments in this building face a central grass courtyard. Every
> day, someone allows their two very small, non-English speaking children to
> run and play in that yard without direct supervision. If I am outside with
> my dog, these kids come racing over, and start distracting my dog. They
> stare at her, squeal, run around us, stick their hands out and then run
> away, and otherwise taunt her. I have tried on various occasions to ask
> them to stop, shake my head, etc, but nothing has worked. It?s been bad
> enough at times that I literally can?t do anything without these kids
> following us and distracting Whitley. Unfortunately, i cannot easily unlock
> my door with them around, because Whitley is always trying to watch them to
> see what they are doing. I know that I could and should do some more work
> with Whitley on child distractions, but I feel like some of this is not her
> fault. Staring is competitive and playful body language to a dog, and, in
> that situation, she can?t help but react. Also, I feel like these kids are
> interfering with her work and could well get us hurt, especially since
> there are big, wrought iron staircases on the outside of the building that
> just out over the edge of the sidewalk and could do some serious damage to
> my head if Whitley was not paying attention. Do any of you have any
> thoughts? I have called my landlord once, but the had no success.
> Thanks,
> Aleeha
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 10:03:42 -0800
> From: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
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> Aleeha: What a frustrating situation! Trying to educate the children
> in the ways suggested is a great idea, but is there anyone in the
> building that you can talk to to find out who the parents are? It
> seems like that should be your next step--go through all channels to
> learn who the parents are, and try to communicate with them. You
> didn't mention what language they speak, but perhaps The Seeing Eye
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> On 3/4/17, Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > I agree with Julie, educate the kids. Give them candy and ask them to sit
> > down and you teach them with coloring books that are out there about
> guide
> > dogs. Tell them to sit and wait giving them candy or cookies while you
> take
> > the dog. Hand out to them to wait while Whitley parks, or you go down the
> > steps, then another candy or cookie reward for being so good, the kids
> that
> > is. But really Julie had the best idea. Get used to it if you are going
> to
> > be a vet. Sometimes they listen and sometimes not. But the book should
> help
> > the parents teach the kids, well I hope anyway.
> >
> > Treats of crackers, pretzels, cookies, candy, life savers, nothing with a
> > stick they might get hurt.
> >
> > Becky and Jake still pawing around
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha
> Dudley via
> > NAGDU
> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 3:58 PM
> > To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> > apartment complex
> >
> > Hey all,
> > I have an interesting situation in my apartment complex that I would like
> > your thoughts about.
> > All the apartments in this building face a central grass courtyard. Every
> > day, someone allows their two very small, non-English speaking children
> to
> > run and play in that yard without direct supervision. If I am outside
> with
> > my dog, these kids come racing over, and start distracting my dog. They
> > stare at her, squeal, run around us, stick their hands out and then run
> > away, and otherwise taunt her. I have tried on various occasions to ask
> them
> > to stop, shake my head, etc, but nothing has worked. It?s been bad
> enough at
> > times that I literally can?t do anything without these kids following us
> and
> > distracting Whitley. Unfortunately, i cannot easily unlock my door with
> them
> > around, because Whitley is always trying to watch them to see what they
> are
> > doing. I know that I could and should do some more work with Whitley on
> > child distractions, but I feel like some of this is not her fault.
> Staring
> > is competitive and playful body language to a dog, and, in that
> situation,
> > she can?t help but react. Also, I feel like these kids are interfering
> with
> > her work and could well get us hurt, especially since there are big,
> wrought
> > iron staircases on the outside of the building that just out over the
> edge
> > of the sidewalk and could do some serious damage to my head if Whitley
> was
> > not paying attention. Do any of you have any thoughts? I have called my
> > landlord once, but the had no success.
> > Thanks,
> > Aleeha
> > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 18:19:02 +0000
> From: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
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>
> Aleeha
> I wouldn't recommend snacks or candy simply due to concerns with allergies
> but i have a feeling you've thought of this already.
> I like the coloring book idea. I'm in schools all the time and would love
> to check out a coloring book.
>
> I do hope your school has info in different languages. Could you also
> ponder a sign
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I have an interesting situation in my apartment complex that I would like
> your thoughts about.
> All the apartments in this building face a central grass courtyard. Every
> day, someone allows their two very small, non-English speaking children to
> run and play in that yard without direct supervision. If I am outside with
> my dog, these kids come racing over, and start distracting my dog. They
> stare at her, squeal, run around us, stick their hands out and then run
> away, and otherwise taunt her. I have tried on various occasions to ask
> them to stop, shake my head, etc, but nothing has worked. It?s been bad
> enough at times that I literally can?t do anything without these kids
> following us and distracting Whitley. Unfortunately, i cannot easily unlock
> my door with them around, because Whitley is always trying to watch them to
> see what they are doing. I know that I could and should do some more work
> with Whitley on child distractions, but I feel like some of this is not her
> fault. Staring is competitive and playful body language to a dog, and, in
> that situation, she can?t help but react. Also, I feel like these kids are
> interfering with her work and could well get us hurt, especially since
> there are big, wrought iron staircases on the outside of the building that
> just out over the edge of the sidewalk and could do some serious damage to
> my head if Whitley was not paying attention. Do any of you have any
> thoughts? I have called my landlord once, but the had no success.
> Thanks,
> Aleeha
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> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 13:50:41 -0600
> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
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> I?m sorry, but these kids don?t speak English, so explaining it to them is
> not an option. And, I don?t see how my career choices have much to do with
> it, as I am not in a building at all, but rather outside of my apartment
> with real consequences if this dog is too distracted.
>
> > On Mar 4, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Julie, educate the kids. Give them candy and ask them to
> sit down and you teach them with coloring books that are out there about
> guide dogs. Tell them to sit and wait giving them candy or cookies while
> you take the dog. Hand out to them to wait while Whitley parks, or you go
> down the steps, then another candy or cookie reward for being so good, the
> kids that is. But really Julie had the best idea. Get used to it if you are
> going to be a vet. Sometimes they listen and sometimes not. But the book
> should help the parents teach the kids, well I hope anyway.
> >
> > Treats of crackers, pretzels, cookies, candy, life savers, nothing with
> a stick they might get hurt.
> >
> > Becky and Jake still pawing around
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha
> Dudley via NAGDU
> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 3:58 PM
> > To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex
> >
> > Hey all,
> > I have an interesting situation in my apartment complex that I would
> like your thoughts about.
> > All the apartments in this building face a central grass courtyard.
> Every day, someone allows their two very small, non-English speaking
> children to run and play in that yard without direct supervision. If I am
> outside with my dog, these kids come racing over, and start distracting my
> dog. They stare at her, squeal, run around us, stick their hands out and
> then run away, and otherwise taunt her. I have tried on various occasions
> to ask them to stop, shake my head, etc, but nothing has worked. It?s been
> bad enough at times that I literally can?t do anything without these kids
> following us and distracting Whitley. Unfortunately, i cannot easily unlock
> my door with them around, because Whitley is always trying to watch them to
> see what they are doing. I know that I could and should do some more work
> with Whitley on child distractions, but I feel like some of this is not her
> fault. Staring is competitive and playful body language to a dog, and, in
> that situation, she can?t help but react. Also, I feel like these kids are
> interfering with her work and could well get us hurt, especially since
> there are big, wrought iron staircases on the outside of the building that
> just out over the edge of the sidewalk and could do some serious damage to
> my head if Whitley was not paying attention. Do any of you have any
> thoughts? I have called my landlord once, but the had no success.
> > Thanks,
> > Aleeha
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 13:51:40 -0600
> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
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> I?m not exactly sure what language they are speaking. It isn?t Spanish, as
> I know a bit of that and could speak it if necessary.
>
> > On Mar 4, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Aleeha: What a frustrating situation! Trying to educate the children
> > in the ways suggested is a great idea, but is there anyone in the
> > building that you can talk to to find out who the parents are? It
> > seems like that should be your next step--go through all channels to
> > learn who the parents are, and try to communicate with them. You
> > didn't mention what language they speak, but perhaps The Seeing Eye
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> > On 3/4/17, Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> I agree with Julie, educate the kids. Give them candy and ask them to
> sit
> >> down and you teach them with coloring books that are out there about
> guide
> >> dogs. Tell them to sit and wait giving them candy or cookies while you
> take
> >> the dog. Hand out to them to wait while Whitley parks, or you go down
> the
> >> steps, then another candy or cookie reward for being so good, the kids
> that
> >> is. But really Julie had the best idea. Get used to it if you are going
> to
> >> be a vet. Sometimes they listen and sometimes not. But the book should
> help
> >> the parents teach the kids, well I hope anyway.
> >>
> >> Treats of crackers, pretzels, cookies, candy, life savers, nothing with
> a
> >> stick they might get hurt.
> >>
> >> Becky and Jake still pawing around
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha
> Dudley via
> >> NAGDU
> >> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 3:58 PM
> >> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> >> apartment complex
> >>
> >> Hey all,
> >> I have an interesting situation in my apartment complex that I would
> like
> >> your thoughts about.
> >> All the apartments in this building face a central grass courtyard.
> Every
> >> day, someone allows their two very small, non-English speaking children
> to
> >> run and play in that yard without direct supervision. If I am outside
> with
> >> my dog, these kids come racing over, and start distracting my dog. They
> >> stare at her, squeal, run around us, stick their hands out and then run
> >> away, and otherwise taunt her. I have tried on various occasions to ask
> them
> >> to stop, shake my head, etc, but nothing has worked. It?s been bad
> enough at
> >> times that I literally can?t do anything without these kids following
> us and
> >> distracting Whitley. Unfortunately, i cannot easily unlock my door with
> them
> >> around, because Whitley is always trying to watch them to see what they
> are
> >> doing. I know that I could and should do some more work with Whitley on
> >> child distractions, but I feel like some of this is not her fault.
> Staring
> >> is competitive and playful body language to a dog, and, in that
> situation,
> >> she can?t help but react. Also, I feel like these kids are interfering
> with
> >> her work and could well get us hurt, especially since there are big,
> wrought
> >> iron staircases on the outside of the building that just out over the
> edge
> >> of the sidewalk and could do some serious damage to my head if Whitley
> was
> >> not paying attention. Do any of you have any thoughts? I have called my
> >> landlord once, but the had no success.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Aleeha
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 12:37:45 -0800
> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
> Message-ID: <00d901d29527$2ed85b80$8c891280$@comcast.net>
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>
> Bloomberg article published in today's online version of the "Seattle
> Times."
>
> While few have noticed, U.S. airport security workers long had the option
> of
> using five different types of physical pat-downs for the screening line.
> Those have been eliminated, replaced instead with one universal approach.
> This time, you will notice.
>
> The new touching - for those selected to have a pat-down - will be more
> invasive in what the federal agency describes as a more "comprehensive"
> physical screening, according to a Transportation Security Administration
> (TSA) spokesman.
>
>
>
> Denver International Airport, for example, notified employees and flight
> crews Thursday that the "more rigorous" searches "will be more thorough and
> may involve an officer making more intimate contact than before."
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "I would say people who in the past would have gotten a pat-down that
> wasn't involved will notice that the [new] pat-down is more involved," TSA
> spokesman Bruce Anderson said Friday. The shift from the previous,
> risk-based assessment about which pat-down procedure an officer should use
> was phased in over the past two weeks after tests at smaller airports, he
> said.
>
>
>
>
> The TSA screens about 2 million people daily at U.S. airports. The agency
> doesn't track how many passengers are subject to pat-down searches after
> they pass through an imaging scanner. People who decline to use this
> screening technology are automatically subject to physical searches.
>
> While passengers may find the process more intrusive than before, the new
> procedure isn't expected to increase overall airport-security delays.
> However, "for the person who gets the pat-down, it will slow them down,"
> Anderson said.
>
> The change is partly the result of the agency's study of a 2015 report
> that
> criticized aspects of TSA screening procedures. That audit, by the
> Department of Homeland Security's Inspector General, drew headlines because
> airport officers had failed to detect handguns and other weapons. Another
> change prompted by the report was the TSA decision to end its "managed
> inclusion" program by which some everyday travelers were allowed to use
> PreCheck lanes to speed things up at peak times.
>
>
> Physical screening has long been one of the traveling public's strongest
> dislikes related to airport-security protocols. The TSA conducts all
> pat-downs with an officer of the same sex, and allows for a passenger to
> request a private area for the screening and to have a witness. Likewise,
> the traveler can request that the pat-down occur in public view.
>
> The new policy also applies to airline pilots and flight attendants,
> classified as "known crew members," who generally receive less scrutiny at
> checkpoints. The TSA conducts random searches of these employees, and
> airlines this week had inquired about whether their employees would be
> subject to more frequent pat-downs. The number of random searches for
> airline crews isn't changing, Anderson said, although airport employees may
> face more random checks.
>
> "Sometimes it's random, sometimes they're consistent based on the door you
> enter," he said of the searches of workers with airport ID badges.
> "Sometimes those measures call for a pat-down."
>
>
>
>
> In their notice, Denver airport officials said employees are subject to
> search at random locations. "If a pat down is required as part of the
> operation, badged employees will be required to comply with a TSA officer's
> request to conduct a full body pat down."
>
>
> In December, a CNN political commentator, Angela Rye, posted an article
> online describing her "humiliation" during a TSA agent's search. Rye wrote
> in graphic detail about the pat-down of her genitals during a search at the
> Detroit Metro Airport before a flight to New York.
>
> TSA officials didn't immediately address whether the new universal
> pat-down
> protocol will mandate touching of passenger genitals.
>
>
> Becky Frankeberger
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>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 22:36:37 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] school
> Message-ID: <35a59db3.6d80.4306.a7f8.352cb0011646 at samobile.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Hi there,
> You see this is hard, when she is working like she should, I hate to
> give her up and am willing to learn all of the new tricks of the trade
> they think they can help with.
> One of the things she doesn't like to do is go into enterences.
> If you ask her to find the door inside, she will look at you as though
> you asked her the silly question.
> This is in a crowd.
> When she and I are on a one to one, she finds everything I request her to
> do.
> Then after falling off curbs I am afraid to walk up to one.
> Even dragging my feet or sliding my feet.
> I need her to really concentrate on her work, not what she thinks we want.
> I have heard people say she is really mean to her dog.
> Trust me if you don't let her know you mean business she just wants to
> go for the walk.
> We did our first mile this year today.
> It is harder now that parks all parks are allowed to have animals in
> the park, yes even cats.
> Oh me I had so many dog distractions even hearing folks calling their
> dog to them.
> What happened to the leash did it run away?
> With out the dog?
> I hope I can go early enough this summer before all the action happens.
> I hope animal control is in the area.
>
> Original message:
> > Hi Dar.
> > I'm glad Pilot is going to help you, but sorry to hear it has come to
> that.
> > I hope it all works out. Great they could get you in so quickly.
> > Tracy
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
> > NAGDU
> > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 8:31 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: d m gina
> > Subject: [NAGDU] school
>
> > I did get a call from the school, in two weeks we will go back staying
> for
> > 11 days to come home.
> > We will work on different ways of trying to catch the problem before it
> gets
> > started, if I don't feel that all is going well, they will give me a
> > different dog.
>
> > --
> > --Dar
> > skype: dmgina23
> > FB: dmgina
> > www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > every saint has a past
> > every sinner has a future
>
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> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
> FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
>
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