[NAGDU] Relieving on route

Thu Mar 9 23:15:02 UTC 2017

For your peace of mind and lessening frustration, there is a new store
called On the Go Products at www.blindmicemegamall.com. Get a
relieving harness! No more stopping!

I had a dog like that and do not want another who stops en route! It
wasn't everyday nor at the same spot, but I still don't want a dog who
does that!

On 3/9/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> What do you mean "not completely." I realize it isn't going to make the dog
> stop deficating where it isn't preferred, but you can log such that you
> know
> what was going on immediately before and after. That can help you possibly
> learn things about the behavior, factors that would help you more easily
> end
> the behavior.
>
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 2:27 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving on route
>
> Yep a log does help but not completely.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 2:00 PM
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> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving on route
>
> A log may be a good idea anyway because it issn't on all trips, right? I
> found that if I allowed my dog to go wherever she wanted to, she would stop
> at the same place again, so it was sort of becoming a habit. I always
> pulled
> her past there and made her work until she wouldn't work anymore. Then if
> she did and we completed the trip, I took her outside as sort of a reward
> as
> well as a relief. I don't think it completely helped though.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 1:50 PM
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> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving on route
>
> I experimented for 2 months or so with feeding most of Krokus food in the
> morning, with a smaller portion in the evening.  I kept a log of poop
> times,
> which showed that the change in feeding did not make any real difference,
> so
> I went back to half-and-half, which is easier for me to measure.
> Feel free to try yourself, though.  I found the log very helpful in showing
> whether it was having the desired effect.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 2:44 PM
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> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving on route
>
> I am going to have to try playing around with how much food Belto gets and
> when I get I think.  I have not quite figured out how much to feed him in
> terms of that in the morning and at night since he gets one cup both times.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 11:26 AM
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> Cc: david at bakerinet.com; Tracy Carcione
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving on route
>
>
>
>
> I have the same issue.  Claire Rose is 41 moths old.  She urinates in a
> regular spot in the morning, but will not defecate until she is about 50
> yards into walking outside.  That's not much of a problem.  The two
> additional stops to defecate at about 500 and 1,000 to 3,000 yards,
> however,
> are a big problem, especially since they are interspersed with two more
> stops to urinate (briefly squirt).  I can't tell whether she is pulling
> over
> to defecate or to urinate, so if I think she just wants to squirt and I
> don't stop, I find that she has left a poop trail on the sidewalk.  If l
> wait to remove her harness while she is hunching up to defecate, then she
> stops and won't continue until we get another 20 yards down the street.
> I've worked with my trainer on schedules, diet and adding things to her
> food.  We switched to hydrolyzed protein, which decreased the volume and
> the
> odor dramatically, but has not altered the behavior.  We added Metamucil,
> but she vomited every meal that included it about 6 hours after feeding.
> We
> added green beans - a bit softer, but no change in behavior.  I'm now
> trying
> a couple of tablespoons of pumpkin puree, which has also softened the stool
> somewhat and added a little volume, but, again, no change in behavior.
> Since I have some residual vision on good days, I can usually handle this
> even though it is very frustrating.  I am more concerned about travel,
> Since
> she defecates in harness if I don't stop, I am wondering if this is going
> to
> be a problem with flying.  In the past, she handled 10 three hour flights
> with ease, but back then she didn't have this issue.
> Does anyone have any other ideas about changing this pattern of behavior?
> David
> & Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
> Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving on route
> From: "Tracy Carcione via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
> Date: Thu, March 9, 2017 9:17 am
>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Cc: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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>
>
>
>> I wrote a few weeks ago about getting Krokus to relieve himself in a
>> safe
>
>> place, if he must relieve himself on route.
>
>>
>
>> My last dog also needed to relieve on route, but he could go until we
>
>> reached a particular spot. This is better than what I've got now,
>> which is
>
>> that Krokus stops when he feels the urge, then I have to shoo him
>> along
>
>> until we come to a safe place.
>
>>
>
>> Right now, he slams on the brakes when he feels the need to stop, and
>> I give
>
>> him a sharp correction. Then he keeps slowing down at various places
>> he
>
>> thinks could be good, and I keep hopping him up until we get to a
>> place of
>
>> my choosing.
>
>>
>
>> Ideally, I want him to go before we set out, which sometimes happens,
>> and
>
>> sometimes not. If he does go right away, he gets lots of praise.
>
>>
>
>> Next best, I'd like to eliminate all the stopping. If he must stop,
>> I'd
>
>> like him to stop once at a place I've chosen.
>
>>
>
>> Is there some easier way to get to my goal, without all the correcting
>> and
>
>> shooing?
>
>>
>
>> Tracy
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
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