[NAGDU] Uber/Chaim

[Peter Wolf]

Chaim,

Uber’s number comes up as 800-353-8237

I switched to Lyft, love them.  And I once had this problem with one of their drivers.  They jumped all over it.  I use Lyft.  

On May 10, 2017, at 12:31 PM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:

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>   1. Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber Drier
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>   2. Re: Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber Drier
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>   3. Re: Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber Drier
>      (David)
>   4. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10 (Peter Wolf)
>   5. Re: Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber Drier
>      (Marianne Denning)
>   6. Re: How I got contact information was Please! I need
>      instructional Help Reporting An Uber Driver (Cindy Ray)
>   7. Service dog in Japan (Peter Wolf)
>   8. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10 (Cindy Ray)
>   9. Thanks! (chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com)
>  10. Re: Service dog in Japan (Cindy Ray)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 11:45:37 -0400
> From: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org,	oagdu at nfbnet.org,	seeing-eye at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber
> 	Drier
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> Hi All:
> 
> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a while.
> 
> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I still have a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, whose name was not familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said he was arriving. I tried to call him and first he did not answer and it seems next he turned off his phone. The app told me to call for another driver, which I did. Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of this, and really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I should nip this one in the bud and report it immediately. I just visited help.uber.com, and am having a hard time figuring out how to maneuver around there. I see a link for "Dayton", then one for "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There is a question of "How we can help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in my query, and I saw some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a "Next or "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It seems that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
> 
> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought up my past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. I dictated a report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button says "dimmed." I wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in question who canceled did so. 
> 
> Where do I go from here?
> 
> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and phone calls. My cell phone number is:
> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Happy Spring everybody!
> 
> Chaim 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 12:01:38 -0400
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An
> 	Uber Drier
> Message-ID: <F966B26A-BE40-45F4-BC98-BA884193C92F at brannan.name>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Umm. Kinda hard to reply to you when you don't give your email address anywhere in your email.
> 
> Be that as it may, I haven't filed a report from the web. However, you did it correctly on the app. 
> 
> There are two edit fields on the app. In the first one, give the driver's name and approximate time of the trip. On the second, put in your report.
> 
> Here's the problem. The app doesn't give you very much space, nor does it tell you how many characters you have or how many you're over. The reason the submit button was dimmed was because you typed too much. Make your report very brief, and then elaborate when they email you back. 
> 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194 
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Chaim B. Segal via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a while.
>> 
>> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I still have a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, whose name was not familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said he was arriving. I tried to call him and first he did not answer and it seems next he turned off his phone. The app told me to call for another driver, which I did. Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of this, and really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I should nip this one in the bud and report it immediately. I just visited help.uber.com, and am having a hard time figuring out how to maneuver around there. I see a link for "Dayton", then one for "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There is a question of "How we can help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in my query, and I saw some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a "Next or "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It seems that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
>> 
>> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought up my past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. I dictated a report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button says "dimmed." I wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in question who canceled did so. 
>> 
>> Where do I go from here?
>> 
>> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and phone calls. My cell phone number is:
>> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Happy Spring everybody!
>> 
>> Chaim 
>> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:37:47 -0400
> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> To: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,	"chaim B. Segal"
> 	<chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An
> 	Uber Drier
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> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
> 
> On 5/10/2017 12:01 PM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU wrote:
>> Umm. Kinda hard to reply to you when you don't give your email address anywhere in your email.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I haven't filed a report from the web. However, you did it correctly on the app.
>> 
>> There are two edit fields on the app. In the first one, give the driver's name and approximate time of the trip. On the second, put in your report.
>> 
>> Here's the problem. The app doesn't give you very much space, nor does it tell you how many characters you have or how many you're over. The reason the submit button was dimmed was because you typed too much. Make your report very brief, and then elaborate when they email you back.
>> 
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Chaim B. Segal via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All:
>>> 
>>> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a while.
>>> 
>>> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I still have a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, whose name was not familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said he was arriving. I tried to call him and first he did not answer and it seems next he turned off his phone. The app told me to call for another driver, which I did. Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of this, and really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I should nip this one in the bud and report it immediately. I just visited help.uber.com, and am having a hard time figuring out how to maneuver around there. I see a link for "Dayton", then one for "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There is a question of "How we can help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in my query, and I saw some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a "Next or "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It seems that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
>>> 
>>> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought up my past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. I dictated a report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button says "dimmed." I wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in question who canceled did so.
>>> 
>>> Where do I go from here?
>>> 
>>> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and phone calls. My cell phone number is:
>>> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Happy Spring everybody!
>>> 
>>> Chaim
>>> 
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> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 12:16:43 -0700
> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
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> A pool area is like any other terrain.  It?s about training.  Metuka settles in when I swim.  I just clip her leash to a chair or object, put a towel down for her, and down she goes.  Enjoy yourself!
> Peter
> On May 10, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>>  1. Re: Have a question (NAGDU President)
>>  2. Re: Have a question (Cindy Ray)
>>  3. Re: Have a question (Danielle Sykora)
>>  4. Re: Have a question (David)
>>  5. Re: Have a question (Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU)
>>  6. Re: Have a question (Gary Steeves)
>>  7. Re: Have a question (Jordan Gallacher)
>>  8. Re: Have a question (Aleeha Dudley)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:55:35 -0400
>> From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <000001d2c8c3$8d8b9a00$a8a2ce00$@verizon.net>
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>> 
>> Ricky,
>> 
>> 	You ask a very good question. According to the Americans with
>> Disabilities Act, the pool is a place of public accommodation. Covered
>> entities must modify their policies, practices, and procedures to allow
>> individuals accompanied by service animals the same access as others. This
>> means that, even though there may be a "No Petss" policy, they are required
>> by law to modify this policy so as to provide you the same access. Since the
>> modification of policies, practices, and procedures are required by law and
>> they cannot refuse or limit your access, there is no need to give any sort
>> of advance notice. You are not required to ask permission, or provide any
>> sort of documentation that your dog is a service dog. Your dog is not
>> allowed to go into the pool, though, as health department regulations
>> prohibit this and the implementing regulations of the ADA would likely
>> consider this a direct threat.
>> 
>> 	Individuals differ on whether or not it is wise to take your dog to
>> a pool area. Since it is your choice, I would say that, as long as your dog
>> is comfortable, has shade, if needed, go ahead and take it. I have taken my
>> dog to pools - both public and complex areas - and they have always been
>> okay. Please let us know how your pup fares!
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> (813) 626-2789
>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
>> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
>> you back.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:13 PM
>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: rickyjoecook at comcast.net
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> 
>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of
>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is
>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>> 
>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>> 
>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 07:59:17 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
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>> My biggest concern taking the dog to the pool was people feeding it, and one
>> dog I had took issue with me being in the pool. I think currently I wouldn't
>> do it anymore, though I might under certain circumstances.
>> 
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:41 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Raul A. Gallegos <raul at raulgallegos.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> 
>> Hello Ricky, you have every right to take your dog to the pool. So, I don't
>> believe you need to approach anyone about the laws unless it's brought up
>> first. That being said, I don't think I would take my dog to the pool area
>> even though I can legally do so. If I was constantly wondering if my dog is
>> doing okay, not being bothered, and not feeling uncomfortable, I wouldn't
>> enjoy myself I don't think.
>> 
>> 
>> I hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos
>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text:
>> 832.554.7285
>> Office: 832.639.4477
>> Personal Email: raul at raulgallegos.com
>> Work Email: training at rgats.com
>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>> 
>> "Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be." - David
>> Thornburg
>> 
>> On 5/8/2017 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of
>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is
>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 09:23:39 -0400
>> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAAdv8foGhbQ53+sabx0S+ohoaOq60JmnZivD8w4Y=o4x5HyyLQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>> If there is a serious concern of people petting/feeding the dog, you
>> could try putting the dog in a collapsible crate. Though it isn't
>> impossible for people to interact with the dog in a crate, there is a
>> physical barrier between them which makes it a lot more difficult.
>> 
>> Danielle and Thai
>> 
>> On 5/9/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> My biggest concern taking the dog to the pool was people feeding it, and
>>> one
>>> dog I had took issue with me being in the pool. I think currently I
>>> wouldn't
>>> do it anymore, though I might under certain circumstances.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:41 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Raul A. Gallegos <raul at raulgallegos.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hello Ricky, you have every right to take your dog to the pool. So, I don't
>>> believe you need to approach anyone about the laws unless it's brought up
>>> first. That being said, I don't think I would take my dog to the pool area
>>> even though I can legally do so. If I was constantly wondering if my dog is
>>> doing okay, not being bothered, and not feeling uncomfortable, I wouldn't
>>> enjoy myself I don't think.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text:
>>> 832.554.7285
>>> Office: 832.639.4477
>>> Personal Email: raul at raulgallegos.com
>>> Work Email: training at rgats.com
>>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>>> 
>>> "Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be." - David
>>> Thornburg
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/2017 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
>>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would
>>> of
>>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or
>>> is
>>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NAGDU:
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>>>> .com
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 09:24:03 -0400
>> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <7bd3009e-f2c5-3f12-a066-26cc6fad7815 at bakerinet.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> I would think you have the right to have your pup accompany you to the 
>> pool and you do not have to ask anyone.  To me, the issue would involve 
>> how my dog handles being on a tie-down.  The precociousness of children 
>> and the ability of adults to respect Darcy's status might be an issue, 
>> too, but a harness sign might help with that.  It might give you a 
>> chance to educate your neighbors.
>> 
>> I've never left Claire Rose in the 22 months we've been together, except 
>> when I've headed into a store with a cane, and then she is in the car 
>> with my wife.  (Swimming pool supply stores have too many chemicals for 
>> me to feel comfortable having her with me in them.)  I may have done 
>> that five or six times. Even in the hospital, she was with me as we 
>> wandered around on a gurney getting tests.  Since the doors in the 
>> hallways were so narrow, they just had her hop up on the gurney with 
>> me.  We did get a lot of funny looks and some cute comments from staff.  
>> I'm sure the image, her lying beside me with her head on my shoulder, 
>> must have startled a few folks.
>> 
>> While I could trust her alone in the house, I've just never done that.
>> 
>> In the event that you are challenged, you can show the ADA rules and/or 
>> state law.
>> 
>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>> 
>> On 5/8/2017 10:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 + community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
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>> 
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 22:32:55 -0500
>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <FA349A82-0551-44B4-94C5-F0B8FB593EC5 at nfbtx.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool once. I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where you live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have an umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These are just my thoughts. Good luck.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
>> Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>> 
>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>> "Live the life you want!"
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 + community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/shardy%40nfbtx.org
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 08:37:49 -0700
>> From: Gary Steeves <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>,	Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <6EC1FF28-649D-4484-9339-387C8B52B7C9 at shaw.ca>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> hi:
>> 
>> when I was taking some swimming lessons, or is that adult education :), I talked to the pool ahead of time to ask if they. could keep Bogart in their office.  usually I found. that the people. working there are dog overs.  Bogart didn't have problems being left with nice women.  if they had any issues they knew where I was.  I'd then use my came to navigate the change rooms and get out to the pool.  I don't think Bogart would have suffered being on a tie down by the pool while his master was obviously close to drowning. :)
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> 
>> On May 8, 2017 8:32:55 PM PDT, Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
>>> once. I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to
>>> leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where
>>> you live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have
>>> an umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These
>>> are just my thoughts. Good luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
>>> Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>> 
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55
>>> + community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I
>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I
>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle
>>> this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something
>>> for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her
>>> home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the
>>> community administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA
>>> law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NAGDU:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/shardy%40nfbtx.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NAGDU:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rainshadowmusic%40shaw.ca
>> 
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:06:26 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <021801d2c8ee$fa54f890$eefee9b0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Down here in Louisiana and when I visit my girlfriend in Florida, it is just
>> too hot to let Belto sit in the sun if I am at the pool.  
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stacie Hardy -
>> NFBHOU via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:33 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> 
>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool once.
>> I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to leave my
>> dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where you live, but in
>> Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have an umbrella or a towel
>> on the ground the dog will still be hot. These are just my thoughts. Good
>> luck.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
>> Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>> 
>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>> "Live the life you want!"
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of
>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is
>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NAGDU:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/shardy%40nfbtx.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> NAGDU mailing list
>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jordanandbelto%40gmail.co
>> m
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:22:59 -0500
>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <6A68201D-C34D-4C54-A475-2755AB4100A2 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> I agree with Jordan. It?s much too hot here in Louisiana for a dog to be on tie down at an outdoor pool. The only issue I have with taking a dog to a pool is that the law does say that the dog must be under the direct control of the handler at all times, which may not apply to a tie down or crate, since you cannot immediately reach your dog in a situation that might arise. That is one consideration I would make before taking my dog. Someone with enough knowledge of the law could argue that the dog is not under direct control.
>> Aleeha and Whitley 
>>> On May 9, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Down here in Louisiana and when I visit my girlfriend in Florida, it is just
>>> too hot to let Belto sit in the sun if I am at the pool.  
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stacie Hardy -
>>> NFBHOU via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:33 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool once.
>>> I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to leave my
>>> dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where you live, but in
>>> Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have an umbrella or a towel
>>> on the ground the dog will still be hot. These are just my thoughts. Good
>>> luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
>>> Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>> 
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
>>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of
>>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is
>>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NAGDU:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/shardy%40nfbtx.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jordanandbelto%40gmail.co
>>> m
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:17:33 -0400
> From: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An
> 	Uber Drier
> Message-ID:
> 	<CANZu-Jit14zKRFfpC=WM=0PyxmWM3oE8BmYY+=h+PeK1xBPnYQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Since he gave his phone number I contacted him that way and he has worked
> it out thanks to Cindy.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>> 
>> On 5/10/2017 12:01 PM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU wrote:
>> 
>>> Umm. Kinda hard to reply to you when you don't give your email address
>>> anywhere in your email.
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I haven't filed a report from the web. However, you
>>> did it correctly on the app.
>>> 
>>> There are two edit fields on the app. In the first one, give the driver's
>>> name and approximate time of the trip. On the second, put in your report.
>>> 
>>> Here's the problem. The app doesn't give you very much space, nor does it
>>> tell you how many characters you have or how many you're over. The reason
>>> the submit button was dimmed was because you typed too much. Make your
>>> report very brief, and then elaborate when they email you back.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Chaim B. Segal via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All:
>>>> 
>>>> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the
>>>> lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a while.
>>>> 
>>>> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's
>>>> office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I still have
>>>> a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, whose name was not
>>>> familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said he was arriving. I tried to
>>>> call him and first he did not answer and it seems next he turned off his
>>>> phone. The app told me to call for another driver, which I did.
>>>> Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of this, and
>>>> really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I should nip this one
>>>> in the bud and report it immediately. I just visited help.uber.com, and
>>>> am having a hard time figuring out how to maneuver around there. I see a
>>>> link for "Dayton", then one for "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There is a
>>>> question of "How we can help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in my
>>>> query, and I saw some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a "Next
>>>> or "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It seems
>>>> that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
>>>> 
>>>> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought up my
>>>> past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. I dictated a
>>>> report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button says "dimmed." I
>>>> wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in question who canceled did
>>>> so.
>>>> 
>>>> Where do I go from here?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and phone
>>>> calls. My cell phone number is:
>>>> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Happy Spring everybody!
>>>> 
>>>> Chaim
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NAGDU:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name
>>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> (513) 607-6053
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:21:45 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] How I got contact information was Please! I need
> 	instructional Help Reporting An Uber Driver
> Message-ID: <017f01d2c9c2$aa205610$fe610230$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Well, I'm glad he was able to figure it out. I am one of the contact folks
> for the program I guess, so I did what I thought would be the best thing. I
> was able to get his address by using the reply to all, go to the CC: field
> and find it. I could then copy and paste it into an address field by way of
> backing out of the reply message and starting a new message. This works
> almost every time, at least for me.
> 
> Cindy Lou Ray
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 2:18 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber
> Drier
> 
> Since he gave his phone number I contacted him that way and he has worked it
> out thanks to Cindy.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>> 
>> On 5/10/2017 12:01 PM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU wrote:
>> 
>>> Umm. Kinda hard to reply to you when you don't give your email 
>>> address anywhere in your email.
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I haven't filed a report from the web. However, 
>>> you did it correctly on the app.
>>> 
>>> There are two edit fields on the app. In the first one, give the 
>>> driver's name and approximate time of the trip. On the second, put in
> your report.
>>> 
>>> Here's the problem. The app doesn't give you very much space, nor 
>>> does it tell you how many characters you have or how many you're 
>>> over. The reason the submit button was dimmed was because you typed 
>>> too much. Make your report very brief, and then elaborate when they email
> you back.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Chaim B. Segal via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All:
>>>> 
>>>> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the 
>>>> lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a while.
>>>> 
>>>> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's 
>>>> office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I 
>>>> still have a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, 
>>>> whose name was not familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said 
>>>> he was arriving. I tried to call him and first he did not answer and 
>>>> it seems next he turned off his phone. The app told me to call for
> another driver, which I did.
>>>> Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of 
>>>> this, and really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I 
>>>> should nip this one in the bud and report it immediately. I just 
>>>> visited help.uber.com, and am having a hard time figuring out how to 
>>>> maneuver around there. I see a link for "Dayton", then one for 
>>>> "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There is a question of "How we can 
>>>> help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in my query, and I saw 
>>>> some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a "Next or 
>>>> "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It seems
> that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
>>>> 
>>>> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought 
>>>> up my past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. 
>>>> I dictated a report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button 
>>>> says "dimmed." I wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in 
>>>> question who canceled did so.
>>>> 
>>>> Where do I go from here?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and 
>>>> phone calls. My cell phone number is:
>>>> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Happy Spring everybody!
>>>> 
>>>> Chaim
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>> for
>>>> NAGDU:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.n
>>>> ame
>>>> 
>>> 
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>>> com
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> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> (513) 607-6053
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> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 12:22:42 -0700
> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Service dog in Japan
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> We have decided not to go to Japan with service dogs, because aside from their requirements, we read  that a traveler must also sign over power of attorney for the animal to the authorities upon entry.  My legal understand of this means if for any reason, someone whether for wholesome reasons or not, decides not to let you have your dog, it?s no longer your dog.  
> 
> I?d appreciate comments from someone who understands legality. 
> Thanks, 
> Peter
> 
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>  1. travelling to Japan revisited (Dan Weiner)
>>  2. Re: Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa (Danielle Ledet)
>>  3. Update On My Girl (Dani Pagador)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:07:00 -0400
>> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] travelling to Japan revisited
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>> Hello, beautiful people and dogs.
>> 
>> Dan here.
>> 
>> Well I think the subject of guide dogs in Japan and traveling their 
>> accompanied by a guide dog was dealt with recently.
>> 
>> By coincidence I've been in contact with a very energetic, resourceful 
>> and intelligent  young guy from NYC who wants to maybe study or visit 
>> there.  He has a guide dog and though I went from 2001 to 2003 my info 
>> is of course  not up to date. His vet actually seems very knowledgeable 
>> and had to apparently help another client with a service dog...but I 
>> thought he might find it useful to speak with someone who has traveled 
>> there more recently than I.  Anyone who has done this, I seem to 
>> remember there was one person who had, let me know if you're willing to 
>> be in touch with this fellow.
>> 
>> 
>> Apparently it would seem that one additional requirement since my days 
>> of stomping around there was that if you have a guide dog you must have 
>> info sent to the Japan guide Dog Association from your school so they 
>> issue you a temporary guide dog id, the JGDa is a guide dog school, I 
>> will refrain form making comments on this as I had to deal with the 
>> beginnings of that process when I wetn there. Suffice it to say that 
>> they want your school to be affiliated to the International Federation 
>> of Guide Dog Schools and if not they seem not interested in issuing this 
>> card.  So, though the Japan restrictions puzzle and annoy me, I do want 
>> to help this guy if he is determined to have this experience and want 
>> him to be successful.
>> 
>> So anyone wants to talk to him or to me, my email:
>> 
>> 
>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>> 
>> 
>> I'll give out his contact only on request.
>> 
>> 
>> Most sincerely,
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:19:53 -0600
>> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
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>> Welcome Heather. You will fit right in here. Now all we gotta do is
>> get Raven Tolliver back talking and we'll have a nice balance!
>> 
>> On 5/6/17, margo Downey via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Well, Heather and Ilsa, you all know by now that you can reply and it'll go
>>> everywhere Nagdu people are.  (smile).
>>> 
>>> Margo and Isis
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:34 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Heather Bird
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>> 
>>>    Oh, yay! Its a Margo and an Isis. You can be my ghinny pig. I am
>>> trying to figure out if reply goes to just the sender or to the whole list.
>>> If no one else on list replies to this, then I will know that it went to
>>> you only. I know some lists require you to hit reply all to get it to the
>>> list, and others have the default of reply going to the whole list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS, Ilsa says "Hey, Isis, tell your mommy not to go donating any more money
>>> to my crazy mom. She dragged me to this silly park and there was this nice
>>> walk we went on, but then she made me do the loop again, and then this even
>>> smaller loop around the pond. She wouldn't let me chew on the ducks or the
>>> geese and there were all of these other rude people running who wouldn't
>>> let me catch up with them and be first. Maybe if people stop giving my
>>> mommy money she'll not make me do that again."
>>> *wagging* "Nah, actually it was really fun, maybe you come walk with us
>>> next year, just don't try to retrieve the ducks. Rusti says ducks are for
>>> retrieving, but I think they look like more for chewing. You're a Labrador,
>>> well, you're a cross, so you be our tie breaker, are ducks for retrieving
>>> or for chewing? PSST, say chewing, or I'll chew on your ears a little when
>>> I see you at convention. Kidding, sort of." *more wagging*"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/5/2017 10:26 PM, margo Downey via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hey, Heather, welcome!
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The
>>>> Pawpower Pack via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 4:53 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: The Pawpower Pack
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Heather!
>>>> Welcome to the list.  I'm Rox, am Deafblind, and my current working
>>>> service dog is Soleil, a 6 year old yellow lab.  She is owner trained.
>>>> I also have Laveau, a 10 year old Doberman who still works from time
>>>> to time, so Soleil can practice staying home alone!  WE also share our
>>>> home with Mill'E, who is a almost 15 year old golden.  Sometimes
>>>> Mill'E makes me put the harness on her so she can stand around and
>>>> feel official but mostly her job is to keep my feet warm.
>>>> We live in New Orleans where I am an independent contractor doing any
>>>> number of different things.
>>>> Hope you enjoy the list!
>>>> 
>>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 5, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Jen via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Heather,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome! My name is Jen. Although I am not a guide dog user, I am
>>>>> interested in all things guide dog! I look forward to your posts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>>>> Bird via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 3:26 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello. My name is Heather and I have a Seeing Eye dog named Ilsa. She
>>>>> is a black and tan German Shepherd Dog. She just turned two around
>>>>> Thanks Giving of 2016. She is my second guide from the Seeing Eye, my
>>>>> fourth GSD. I have previously had shepherds from Fidelco Guide Dog
>>>> Foundation.
>>>>> I am a mother of two boys, who are both visually impaired. My mother
>>>>> is also blind and also a guide dog handler. My husband and my father
>>>>> are both sighted. I am a member of NYAGDU, as are my mother and my
>>>> husband.
>>>>> I am also the chapter president for our local NFB chapter in
>>>>> Rochester
>>>> NY.
>>>>> Ilsa is very bright, a bit softer than my first TSE shepherd, Frieda,
>>>>> but just as smart. My husband has an owner-trained psychiatric
>>>>> service dog, a seven-year-old smooth coat collie named Dante. He is a
>>>>> sable and he is a very soft, very intuitive sweet dog. My mother has
>>>>> a black lab named Octane from the Seeing Eye. I have her permission
>>>>> to disclose this fact and as many of my best guide dog stories
>>>>> involve both her and my dogs, you may see mention of Octane from time to
>>> time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am also a member of IAADP. I am an attachment parent, student of
>>>>> social work, stay-at-home mom and a member of API, and LLLI. I am
>>>>> supportive of owner trainers, handlers of small breed service dogs,
>>>>> handlers with invisible disabilities. I am a big advocate of informed
>>>>> choice in guide dog training program selection, and a big proponent
>>>>> of the rights and responsibilities of all service dog handlers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's the nuts and bolts of me as a handler. Please feel free to ask
>>>>> if you have any additional questions.
>>>>> 
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>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
>> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
>> have been all of these.
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 01:32:18 -1000
>> From: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Update On My Girl
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> Hi, Everyone.
>> Peg was on Deremaxx and her limp seemed more pronounced, she seemed
>> more anxious, and wasn't right digestively. I asked the doctor what
>> the other alternative was, and she said I could either go back to
>> Previcox or try Rimadyl. I opted for the Rimadyl, though she did well
>> on the Previcox.
>> 
>> She's been on the new meds for a week, but her appetite's been sketchy
>> at best. She threw up Sunday night and Monday morning, and doc put her
>> on a bland diet. She ate willingly, but I had to make homemade broth
>> and rice--she wouldn't touch the canned stuff.
>> 
>> Her loss of appetite started Thursday, though she drank water and
>> wanted to go out. She didn't seem dehydrated, but by Saturday I was
>> worked something was up. David took her to the vet and we found out
>> that her kidneys are functioning at 25 percent. She's being given
>> fluids at home, is drinking, and hardly eats.
>> 
>> We take her back to the vet tomorrow, but David and I talked about
>> needing to let her go. She's herself mentally, but not physically.
>> It's been hard to watch her not eat, and I can't see having to watch
>> her starve herself just so selfish Dani can keep her girl around.
>> 
>> I'm trying to write this without crying, but it hits hard at
>> unexpected moments. What did I not see? She's been on kidney diet food
>> since December, and doc says kidney failure comes in older dogs.
>> 
>> She's lived a good long life, has been, and still is faithful, and
>> will always be my girl. Tight-fisted Dani wants to squeeze every last
>> moment she can get with Peg. Am I being mean to keep her around? Will
>> I be a bad Mom to put her to sleep just because she won't be able to
>> eat and things will get harder for her, bah the no-pain-for-CRF-thing.
>> 
>> All of this to ask you guys to hold your babies close, love them long,
>> and love them hard.
>> 
>> More Later,
>> Dani, rambling, struggling with herself, grateful for your support
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:25:30 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10
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> No, a pool area is not like any other terrain in that it is hot; there is
> the possibility that folks have left food trash there. The dog might take
> exception to your going into the pool. But mainly, if it is an outdoor pool,
> I would say you would want to be very, very careful about the heat. There is
> paving along the pool which makes it hotter, and sun reflects off water.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 2:17 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10
> 
> A pool area is like any other terrain.  It's about training.  Metuka settles
> in when I swim.  I just clip her leash to a chair or object, put a towel
> down for her, and down she goes.  Enjoy yourself!
> Peter
> On May 10, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>  1. Re: Have a question (NAGDU President)
>>  2. Re: Have a question (Cindy Ray)
>>  3. Re: Have a question (Danielle Sykora)
>>  4. Re: Have a question (David)
>>  5. Re: Have a question (Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU)
>>  6. Re: Have a question (Gary Steeves)
>>  7. Re: Have a question (Jordan Gallacher)
>>  8. Re: Have a question (Aleeha Dudley)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:55:35 -0400
>> From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <000001d2c8c3$8d8b9a00$a8a2ce00$@verizon.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Ricky,
>> 
>> 	You ask a very good question. According to the Americans with 
>> Disabilities Act, the pool is a place of public accommodation. Covered 
>> entities must modify their policies, practices, and procedures to 
>> allow individuals accompanied by service animals the same access as 
>> others. This means that, even though there may be a "No Petss" policy, 
>> they are required by law to modify this policy so as to provide you 
>> the same access. Since the modification of policies, practices, and 
>> procedures are required by law and they cannot refuse or limit your 
>> access, there is no need to give any sort of advance notice. You are 
>> not required to ask permission, or provide any sort of documentation 
>> that your dog is a service dog. Your dog is not allowed to go into the 
>> pool, though, as health department regulations prohibit this and the 
>> implementing regulations of the ADA would likely consider this a direct
> threat.
>> 
>> 	Individuals differ on whether or not it is wise to take your dog to
> a 
>> pool area. Since it is your choice, I would say that, as long as your 
>> dog is comfortable, has shade, if needed, go ahead and take it. I have 
>> taken my dog to pools - both public and complex areas - and they have 
>> always been okay. Please let us know how your pup fares!
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National 
>> Federation of the Blind
>> (813) 626-2789
>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  
>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is 
>> not what holds you back.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe 
>> Cook via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:13 PM
>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: rickyjoecook at comcast.net
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> 
>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 
>> + community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if 
>> I can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle 
>> this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something 
>> for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her
> home.
>> 
>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>> 
>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>> community administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA
> law?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 07:59:17 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <002001d2c8c4$11a9eda0$34fdc8e0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> My biggest concern taking the dog to the pool was people feeding it, 
>> and one dog I had took issue with me being in the pool. I think 
>> currently I wouldn't do it anymore, though I might under certain
> circumstances.
>> 
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. 
>> Gallegos via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:41 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Raul A. Gallegos <raul at raulgallegos.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> 
>> Hello Ricky, you have every right to take your dog to the pool. So, I 
>> don't believe you need to approach anyone about the laws unless it's 
>> brought up first. That being said, I don't think I would take my dog 
>> to the pool area even though I can legally do so. If I was constantly 
>> wondering if my dog is doing okay, not being bothered, and not feeling 
>> uncomfortable, I wouldn't enjoy myself I don't think.
>> 
>> 
>> I hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos
>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text:
>> 832.554.7285
>> Office: 832.639.4477
>> Personal Email: raul at raulgallegos.com
>> Work Email: training at rgats.com
>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>> 
>> "Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be." - 
>> David Thornburg
>> 
>> On 5/8/2017 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 
>>> +
>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I 
>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle 
>> this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something 
>> for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her
> home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>>> community
>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 09:23:39 -0400
>> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
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>> 
>> If there is a serious concern of people petting/feeding the dog, you 
>> could try putting the dog in a collapsible crate. Though it isn't 
>> impossible for people to interact with the dog in a crate, there is a 
>> physical barrier between them which makes it a lot more difficult.
>> 
>> Danielle and Thai
>> 
>> On 5/9/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> My biggest concern taking the dog to the pool was people feeding it, 
>>> and one dog I had took issue with me being in the pool. I think 
>>> currently I wouldn't do it anymore, though I might under certain 
>>> circumstances.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. 
>>> Gallegos via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:41 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Raul A. Gallegos <raul at raulgallegos.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hello Ricky, you have every right to take your dog to the pool. So, I 
>>> don't believe you need to approach anyone about the laws unless it's 
>>> brought up first. That being said, I don't think I would take my dog 
>>> to the pool area even though I can legally do so. If I was constantly 
>>> wondering if my dog is doing okay, not being bothered, and not 
>>> feeling uncomfortable, I wouldn't enjoy myself I don't think.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos
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>>> 832.554.7285
>>> Office: 832.639.4477
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>>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>>> 
>>> "Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be." - 
>>> David Thornburg
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/2017 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 
>>>> 55 +
>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I 
>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should 
>>> handle this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have 
>>> something for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and 
>>> leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>>>> community
>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 09:24:03 -0400
>> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <7bd3009e-f2c5-3f12-a066-26cc6fad7815 at bakerinet.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> I would think you have the right to have your pup accompany you to the 
>> pool and you do not have to ask anyone.  To me, the issue would 
>> involve how my dog handles being on a tie-down.  The precociousness of 
>> children and the ability of adults to respect Darcy's status might be 
>> an issue, too, but a harness sign might help with that.  It might give 
>> you a chance to educate your neighbors.
>> 
>> I've never left Claire Rose in the 22 months we've been together, 
>> except when I've headed into a store with a cane, and then she is in 
>> the car with my wife.  (Swimming pool supply stores have too many 
>> chemicals for me to feel comfortable having her with me in them.)  I 
>> may have done that five or six times. Even in the hospital, she was 
>> with me as we wandered around on a gurney getting tests.  Since the 
>> doors in the hallways were so narrow, they just had her hop up on the 
>> gurney with me.  We did get a lot of funny looks and some cute comments
> from staff.
>> I'm sure the image, her lying beside me with her head on my shoulder, 
>> must have startled a few folks.
>> 
>> While I could trust her alone in the house, I've just never done that.
>> 
>> In the event that you are challenged, you can show the ADA rules 
>> and/or state law.
>> 
>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>> 
>> On 5/8/2017 10:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of
> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is
> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 22:32:55 -0500
>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <FA349A82-0551-44B4-94C5-F0B8FB593EC5 at nfbtx.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
> once. I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to
> leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where you
> live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have an
> umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These are just
> my thoughts. Good luck.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 
>> or (832) 779-7477
>> 
>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>> "Live the life you want!"
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of
> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is
> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 08:37:49 -0700
>> From: Gary Steeves <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>,	Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <6EC1FF28-649D-4484-9339-387C8B52B7C9 at shaw.ca>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> hi:
>> 
>> when I was taking some swimming lessons, or is that adult education 
>> :), I talked to the pool ahead of time to ask if they. could keep 
>> Bogart in their office.  usually I found. that the people. working 
>> there are dog overs.  Bogart didn't have problems being left with nice 
>> women.  if they had any issues they knew where I was.  I'd then use my 
>> came to navigate the change rooms and get out to the pool.  I don't 
>> think Bogart would have suffered being on a tie down by the pool while 
>> his master was obviously close to drowning. :)
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> 
>> On May 8, 2017 8:32:55 PM PDT, Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool 
>>> once. I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect 
>>> to leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure 
>>> where you live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether 
>>> you have an umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be 
>>> hot. These are just my thoughts. Good luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 
>>> 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>> 
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 
>>>> 55
>>> + community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if 
>>> + I
>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should 
>>> handle this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have 
>>> something for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and 
>>> leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the
>>> community administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any 
>>> ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>> 
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>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:06:26 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <021801d2c8ee$fa54f890$eefee9b0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Down here in Louisiana and when I visit my girlfriend in Florida, it 
>> is just too hot to let Belto sit in the sun if I am at the pool.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stacie 
>> Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:33 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> 
>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
> once.
>> I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to 
>> leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where 
>> you live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have 
>> an umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These 
>> are just my thoughts. Good luck.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 
>> or (832) 779-7477
>> 
>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>> "Live the life you want!"
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 
>>> +
>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I 
>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle 
>> this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something 
>> for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her
> home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>>> community
>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>> m
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:22:59 -0500
>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>> Message-ID: <6A68201D-C34D-4C54-A475-2755AB4100A2 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I agree with Jordan. It?s much too hot here in Louisiana for a dog to be
> on tie down at an outdoor pool. The only issue I have with taking a dog to a
> pool is that the law does say that the dog must be under the direct control
> of the handler at all times, which may not apply to a tie down or crate,
> since you cannot immediately reach your dog in a situation that might arise.
> That is one consideration I would make before taking my dog. Someone with
> enough knowledge of the law could argue that the dog is not under direct
> control.
>> Aleeha and Whitley
>>> On May 9, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Down here in Louisiana and when I visit my girlfriend in Florida, it 
>>> is just too hot to let Belto sit in the sun if I am at the pool.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stacie 
>>> Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:33 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
> once.
>>> I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to 
>>> leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where 
>>> you live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have 
>>> an umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These 
>>> are just my thoughts. Good luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 
>>> 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>> 
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 
>>>> 55 +
>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I 
>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should 
>>> handle this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have 
>>> something for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and
> leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>>>> community
>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:25:45 -0400
> From: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Thanks!
> Message-ID: <20170510192545.chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Hi Cyndi, Marianne, and All:
> 
> First of all, particularly to Cyndi, I apologize for not including my E-mail address itself in my previous message. I assumed it showed up in the E-mail itself when it was generated from the NFBNET server. Just for general reference, it is: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
> 
> Thanks for the helpful tips. Ironically, it turned out that I was better able to access help from the app itself. I  accessed my past trips and pressed the help button there.
> 
> I hope Uber follows through. Before I went nomail, I have heard that in some cases, they just suspend these drivers and don't actually remove them.
> 
> All The Best!
> 
> Chaim  
> 
> Chaim B. Segal
> Call Center Representative
> Sinclair Community College
> Dayton, Ohio
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:27:33 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Service dog in Japan
> Message-ID: <019901d2c9c3$79745b00$6c5d1100$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Wow! That is interesting. For me it means if something happened to you they
> would exercise power of attorney for your dogs, but I wouldn't like that
> either, and you may be closer to right than I am.
> 
> Cindy Lou Ray 
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 2:23 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Service dog in Japan
> 
> We have decided not to go to Japan with service dogs, because aside from
> their requirements, we read  that a traveler must also sign over power of
> attorney for the animal to the authorities upon entry.  My legal understand
> of this means if for any reason, someone whether for wholesome reasons or
> not, decides not to let you have your dog, it's no longer your dog.  
> 
> I'd appreciate comments from someone who understands legality. 
> Thanks, 
> Peter
> 
> 
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>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>  1. travelling to Japan revisited (Dan Weiner)
>>  2. Re: Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa (Danielle Ledet)
>>  3. Update On My Girl (Dani Pagador)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:07:00 -0400
>> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] travelling to Japan revisited
>> Message-ID: <b361c059-9950-4532-353f-073b7ae652d7 at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Hello, beautiful people and dogs.
>> 
>> Dan here.
>> 
>> Well I think the subject of guide dogs in Japan and traveling their 
>> accompanied by a guide dog was dealt with recently.
>> 
>> By coincidence I've been in contact with a very energetic, resourceful 
>> and intelligent  young guy from NYC who wants to maybe study or visit 
>> there.  He has a guide dog and though I went from 2001 to 2003 my info 
>> is of course  not up to date. His vet actually seems very knowledgeable 
>> and had to apparently help another client with a service dog...but I 
>> thought he might find it useful to speak with someone who has traveled 
>> there more recently than I.  Anyone who has done this, I seem to 
>> remember there was one person who had, let me know if you're willing to 
>> be in touch with this fellow.
>> 
>> 
>> Apparently it would seem that one additional requirement since my days 
>> of stomping around there was that if you have a guide dog you must have 
>> info sent to the Japan guide Dog Association from your school so they 
>> issue you a temporary guide dog id, the JGDa is a guide dog school, I 
>> will refrain form making comments on this as I had to deal with the 
>> beginnings of that process when I wetn there. Suffice it to say that 
>> they want your school to be affiliated to the International Federation 
>> of Guide Dog Schools and if not they seem not interested in issuing this 
>> card.  So, though the Japan restrictions puzzle and annoy me, I do want 
>> to help this guy if he is determined to have this experience and want 
>> him to be successful.
>> 
>> So anyone wants to talk to him or to me, my email:
>> 
>> 
>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>> 
>> 
>> I'll give out his contact only on request.
>> 
>> 
>> Most sincerely,
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:19:53 -0600
>> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAMxXqEQ_wJOAtOBs_LjZGGBe0m3G8oc9rkdiz1vt8-7wxMRvMg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>> Welcome Heather. You will fit right in here. Now all we gotta do is
>> get Raven Tolliver back talking and we'll have a nice balance!
>> 
>> On 5/6/17, margo Downey via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Well, Heather and Ilsa, you all know by now that you can reply and it'll
> go
>>> everywhere Nagdu people are.  (smile).
>>> 
>>> Margo and Isis
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird
> via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:34 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Heather Bird
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>> 
>>>    Oh, yay! Its a Margo and an Isis. You can be my ghinny pig. I am
>>> trying to figure out if reply goes to just the sender or to the whole
> list.
>>> If no one else on list replies to this, then I will know that it went to
>>> you only. I know some lists require you to hit reply all to get it to the
>>> list, and others have the default of reply going to the whole list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS, Ilsa says "Hey, Isis, tell your mommy not to go donating any more
> money
>>> to my crazy mom. She dragged me to this silly park and there was this
> nice
>>> walk we went on, but then she made me do the loop again, and then this
> even
>>> smaller loop around the pond. She wouldn't let me chew on the ducks or
> the
>>> geese and there were all of these other rude people running who wouldn't
>>> let me catch up with them and be first. Maybe if people stop giving my
>>> mommy money she'll not make me do that again."
>>> *wagging* "Nah, actually it was really fun, maybe you come walk with us
>>> next year, just don't try to retrieve the ducks. Rusti says ducks are for
>>> retrieving, but I think they look like more for chewing. You're a
> Labrador,
>>> well, you're a cross, so you be our tie breaker, are ducks for retrieving
>>> or for chewing? PSST, say chewing, or I'll chew on your ears a little
> when
>>> I see you at convention. Kidding, sort of." *more wagging*"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/5/2017 10:26 PM, margo Downey via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hey, Heather, welcome!
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The
>>>> Pawpower Pack via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 4:53 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: The Pawpower Pack
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Heather!
>>>> Welcome to the list.  I'm Rox, am Deafblind, and my current working
>>>> service dog is Soleil, a 6 year old yellow lab.  She is owner trained.
>>>> I also have Laveau, a 10 year old Doberman who still works from time
>>>> to time, so Soleil can practice staying home alone!  WE also share our
>>>> home with Mill'E, who is a almost 15 year old golden.  Sometimes
>>>> Mill'E makes me put the harness on her so she can stand around and
>>>> feel official but mostly her job is to keep my feet warm.
>>>> We live in New Orleans where I am an independent contractor doing any
>>>> number of different things.
>>>> Hope you enjoy the list!
>>>> 
>>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 5, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Jen via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Heather,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome! My name is Jen. Although I am not a guide dog user, I am
>>>>> interested in all things guide dog! I look forward to your posts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>>>> Bird via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 3:26 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello. My name is Heather and I have a Seeing Eye dog named Ilsa. She
>>>>> is a black and tan German Shepherd Dog. She just turned two around
>>>>> Thanks Giving of 2016. She is my second guide from the Seeing Eye, my
>>>>> fourth GSD. I have previously had shepherds from Fidelco Guide Dog
>>>> Foundation.
>>>>> I am a mother of two boys, who are both visually impaired. My mother
>>>>> is also blind and also a guide dog handler. My husband and my father
>>>>> are both sighted. I am a member of NYAGDU, as are my mother and my
>>>> husband.
>>>>> I am also the chapter president for our local NFB chapter in
>>>>> Rochester
>>>> NY.
>>>>> Ilsa is very bright, a bit softer than my first TSE shepherd, Frieda,
>>>>> but just as smart. My husband has an owner-trained psychiatric
>>>>> service dog, a seven-year-old smooth coat collie named Dante. He is a
>>>>> sable and he is a very soft, very intuitive sweet dog. My mother has
>>>>> a black lab named Octane from the Seeing Eye. I have her permission
>>>>> to disclose this fact and as many of my best guide dog stories
>>>>> involve both her and my dogs, you may see mention of Octane from time
> to
>>> time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am also a member of IAADP. I am an attachment parent, student of
>>>>> social work, stay-at-home mom and a member of API, and LLLI. I am
>>>>> supportive of owner trainers, handlers of small breed service dogs,
>>>>> handlers with invisible disabilities. I am a big advocate of informed
>>>>> choice in guide dog training program selection, and a big proponent
>>>>> of the rights and responsibilities of all service dog handlers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's the nuts and bolts of me as a handler. Please feel free to ask
>>>>> if you have any additional questions.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> t
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>> 
>> -- 
>> How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
>> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
>> have been all of these.
>> George Washington Carver
>> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 01:32:18 -1000
>> From: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Update On My Girl
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CA+Lzemt9AS5Wx8wJ4PSUe-A2L_C-0Gz6e2bu=AR5S5NQd_pj1g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>> Hi, Everyone.
>> Peg was on Deremaxx and her limp seemed more pronounced, she seemed
>> more anxious, and wasn't right digestively. I asked the doctor what
>> the other alternative was, and she said I could either go back to
>> Previcox or try Rimadyl. I opted for the Rimadyl, though she did well
>> on the Previcox.
>> 
>> She's been on the new meds for a week, but her appetite's been sketchy
>> at best. She threw up Sunday night and Monday morning, and doc put her
>> on a bland diet. She ate willingly, but I had to make homemade broth
>> and rice--she wouldn't touch the canned stuff.
>> 
>> Her loss of appetite started Thursday, though she drank water and
>> wanted to go out. She didn't seem dehydrated, but by Saturday I was
>> worked something was up. David took her to the vet and we found out
>> that her kidneys are functioning at 25 percent. She's being given
>> fluids at home, is drinking, and hardly eats.
>> 
>> We take her back to the vet tomorrow, but David and I talked about
>> needing to let her go. She's herself mentally, but not physically.
>> It's been hard to watch her not eat, and I can't see having to watch
>> her starve herself just so selfish Dani can keep her girl around.
>> 
>> I'm trying to write this without crying, but it hits hard at
>> unexpected moments. What did I not see? She's been on kidney diet food
>> since December, and doc says kidney failure comes in older dogs.
>> 
>> She's lived a good long life, has been, and still is faithful, and
>> will always be my girl. Tight-fisted Dani wants to squeeze every last
>> moment she can get with Peg. Am I being mean to keep her around? Will
>> I be a bad Mom to put her to sleep just because she won't be able to
>> eat and things will get harder for her, bah the no-pain-for-CRF-thing.
>> 
>> All of this to ask you guys to hold your babies close, love them long,
>> and love them hard.
>> 
>> More Later,
>> Dani, rambling, struggling with herself, grateful for your support
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:29:00 -0400
> From: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Service dog in Japan
> Message-ID: <62529e23-3fd1-e673-7575-ff96ff71f4ee at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Oh my god! That is horrifying! Over my dead body! Yes, please. Could 
> someone with legal qualifications please explain for us what that means? 
> I have no problem with the whole IGDF, contacting the Japanese guide dog 
> school thing. However, if that is true about assigning a power of a 
> tourney for your dog, then they can just stuff it and I'll not go, or 
> I'll go without my dog. I am really hoping that this is a 
> misunderstanding, because the implications are really disgusting, not 
> only for what could happen to the dog, but also for how that speaks to 
> how blind people are treated and thought of. Yikes!
> 
> 
> On 5/10/2017 3:22 PM, Peter Wolf via NAGDU wrote:
>> We have decided not to go to Japan with service dogs, because aside from their requirements, we read  that a traveler must also sign over power of attorney for the animal to the authorities upon entry.  My legal understand of this means if for any reason, someone whether for wholesome reasons or not, decides not to let you have your dog, it?s no longer your dog.
>> 
>> I?d appreciate comments from someone who understands legality.
>> Thanks,
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>> On May 8, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>>   1. travelling to Japan revisited (Dan Weiner)
>>>   2. Re: Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa (Danielle Ledet)
>>>   3. Update On My Girl (Dani Pagador)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:07:00 -0400
>>> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] travelling to Japan revisited
>>> Message-ID: <b361c059-9950-4532-353f-073b7ae652d7 at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> Hello, beautiful people and dogs.
>>> 
>>> Dan here.
>>> 
>>> Well I think the subject of guide dogs in Japan and traveling their
>>> accompanied by a guide dog was dealt with recently.
>>> 
>>> By coincidence I've been in contact with a very energetic, resourceful
>>> and intelligent  young guy from NYC who wants to maybe study or visit
>>> there.  He has a guide dog and though I went from 2001 to 2003 my info
>>> is of course  not up to date. His vet actually seems very knowledgeable
>>> and had to apparently help another client with a service dog...but I
>>> thought he might find it useful to speak with someone who has traveled
>>> there more recently than I.  Anyone who has done this, I seem to
>>> remember there was one person who had, let me know if you're willing to
>>> be in touch with this fellow.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apparently it would seem that one additional requirement since my days
>>> of stomping around there was that if you have a guide dog you must have
>>> info sent to the Japan guide Dog Association from your school so they
>>> issue you a temporary guide dog id, the JGDa is a guide dog school, I
>>> will refrain form making comments on this as I had to deal with the
>>> beginnings of that process when I wetn there. Suffice it to say that
>>> they want your school to be affiliated to the International Federation
>>> of Guide Dog Schools and if not they seem not interested in issuing this
>>> card.  So, though the Japan restrictions puzzle and annoy me, I do want
>>> to help this guy if he is determined to have this experience and want
>>> him to be successful.
>>> 
>>> So anyone wants to talk to him or to me, my email:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'll give out his contact only on request.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Most sincerely,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:19:53 -0600
>>> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 	<CAMxXqEQ_wJOAtOBs_LjZGGBe0m3G8oc9rkdiz1vt8-7wxMRvMg at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Welcome Heather. You will fit right in here. Now all we gotta do is
>>> get Raven Tolliver back talking and we'll have a nice balance!
>>> 
>>> On 5/6/17, margo Downey via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Well, Heather and Ilsa, you all know by now that you can reply and it'll go
>>>> everywhere Nagdu people are.  (smile).
>>>> 
>>>> Margo and Isis
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:34 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Heather Bird
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>> 
>>>>     Oh, yay! Its a Margo and an Isis. You can be my ghinny pig. I am
>>>> trying to figure out if reply goes to just the sender or to the whole list.
>>>> If no one else on list replies to this, then I will know that it went to
>>>> you only. I know some lists require you to hit reply all to get it to the
>>>> list, and others have the default of reply going to the whole list.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> PS, Ilsa says "Hey, Isis, tell your mommy not to go donating any more money
>>>> to my crazy mom. She dragged me to this silly park and there was this nice
>>>> walk we went on, but then she made me do the loop again, and then this even
>>>> smaller loop around the pond. She wouldn't let me chew on the ducks or the
>>>> geese and there were all of these other rude people running who wouldn't
>>>> let me catch up with them and be first. Maybe if people stop giving my
>>>> mommy money she'll not make me do that again."
>>>> *wagging* "Nah, actually it was really fun, maybe you come walk with us
>>>> next year, just don't try to retrieve the ducks. Rusti says ducks are for
>>>> retrieving, but I think they look like more for chewing. You're a Labrador,
>>>> well, you're a cross, so you be our tie breaker, are ducks for retrieving
>>>> or for chewing? PSST, say chewing, or I'll chew on your ears a little when
>>>> I see you at convention. Kidding, sort of." *more wagging*"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/5/2017 10:26 PM, margo Downey via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Hey, Heather, welcome!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The
>>>>> Pawpower Pack via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 4:53 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: The Pawpower Pack
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Heather!
>>>>> Welcome to the list.  I'm Rox, am Deafblind, and my current working
>>>>> service dog is Soleil, a 6 year old yellow lab.  She is owner trained.
>>>>> I also have Laveau, a 10 year old Doberman who still works from time
>>>>> to time, so Soleil can practice staying home alone!  WE also share our
>>>>> home with Mill'E, who is a almost 15 year old golden.  Sometimes
>>>>> Mill'E makes me put the harness on her so she can stand around and
>>>>> feel official but mostly her job is to keep my feet warm.
>>>>> We live in New Orleans where I am an independent contractor doing any
>>>>> number of different things.
>>>>> Hope you enjoy the list!
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 5, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Jen via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Heather,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Welcome! My name is Jen. Although I am not a guide dog user, I am
>>>>>> interested in all things guide dog! I look forward to your posts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>>>>> Bird via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 3:26 PM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello. My name is Heather and I have a Seeing Eye dog named Ilsa. She
>>>>>> is a black and tan German Shepherd Dog. She just turned two around
>>>>>> Thanks Giving of 2016. She is my second guide from the Seeing Eye, my
>>>>>> fourth GSD. I have previously had shepherds from Fidelco Guide Dog
>>>>> Foundation.
>>>>>> I am a mother of two boys, who are both visually impaired. My mother
>>>>>> is also blind and also a guide dog handler. My husband and my father
>>>>>> are both sighted. I am a member of NYAGDU, as are my mother and my
>>>>> husband.
>>>>>> I am also the chapter president for our local NFB chapter in
>>>>>> Rochester
>>>>> NY.
>>>>>> Ilsa is very bright, a bit softer than my first TSE shepherd, Frieda,
>>>>>> but just as smart. My husband has an owner-trained psychiatric
>>>>>> service dog, a seven-year-old smooth coat collie named Dante. He is a
>>>>>> sable and he is a very soft, very intuitive sweet dog. My mother has
>>>>>> a black lab named Octane from the Seeing Eye. I have her permission
>>>>>> to disclose this fact and as many of my best guide dog stories
>>>>>> involve both her and my dogs, you may see mention of Octane from time to
>>>> time.
>>>>>> I am also a member of IAADP. I am an attachment parent, student of
>>>>>> social work, stay-at-home mom and a member of API, and LLLI. I am
>>>>>> supportive of owner trainers, handlers of small breed service dogs,
>>>>>> handlers with invisible disabilities. I am a big advocate of informed
>>>>>> choice in guide dog training program selection, and a big proponent
>>>>>> of the rights and responsibilities of all service dog handlers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's the nuts and bolts of me as a handler. Please feel free to ask
>>>>>> if you have any additional questions.
>>>>>> 
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>>> -- 
>>> How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
>>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
>>> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
>>> have been all of these.
>>> George Washington Carver
>>> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 01:32:18 -1000
>>> From: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Update On My Girl
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>> Peg was on Deremaxx and her limp seemed more pronounced, she seemed
>>> more anxious, and wasn't right digestively. I asked the doctor what
>>> the other alternative was, and she said I could either go back to
>>> Previcox or try Rimadyl. I opted for the Rimadyl, though she did well
>>> on the Previcox.
>>> 
>>> She's been on the new meds for a week, but her appetite's been sketchy
>>> at best. She threw up Sunday night and Monday morning, and doc put her
>>> on a bland diet. She ate willingly, but I had to make homemade broth
>>> and rice--she wouldn't touch the canned stuff.
>>> 
>>> Her loss of appetite started Thursday, though she drank water and
>>> wanted to go out. She didn't seem dehydrated, but by Saturday I was
>>> worked something was up. David took her to the vet and we found out
>>> that her kidneys are functioning at 25 percent. She's being given
>>> fluids at home, is drinking, and hardly eats.
>>> 
>>> We take her back to the vet tomorrow, but David and I talked about
>>> needing to let her go. She's herself mentally, but not physically.
>>> It's been hard to watch her not eat, and I can't see having to watch
>>> her starve herself just so selfish Dani can keep her girl around.
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to write this without crying, but it hits hard at
>>> unexpected moments. What did I not see? She's been on kidney diet food
>>> since December, and doc says kidney failure comes in older dogs.
>>> 
>>> She's lived a good long life, has been, and still is faithful, and
>>> will always be my girl. Tight-fisted Dani wants to squeeze every last
>>> moment she can get with Peg. Am I being mean to keep her around? Will
>>> I be a bad Mom to put her to sleep just because she won't be able to
>>> eat and things will get harder for her, bah the no-pain-for-CRF-thing.
>>> 
>>> All of this to ask you guys to hold your babies close, love them long,
>>> and love them hard.
>>> 
>>> More Later,
>>> Dani, rambling, struggling with herself, grateful for your support
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:30:20 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Thanks!
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> I think I mentioned that the National Federation of the Blind has an
> agreement with them and Lyft, and for the next three to five years we will
> all be test cases. So far several drivers have been fired over this issue.
> The test just started May 8.
> 
> We request E-mails at the bottom of the messages because there is no such
> information given by the server, though no one follows through with the
> request. I hope all will read the May Braille Monitor information, plus that
> on the NFB site that tells about this testing. It will help us all to know
> what to do. We are to report positive experiences as well.
> 
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chaim B. Segal
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 2:26 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
> Subject: [NAGDU] Thanks!
> 
> Hi Cyndi, Marianne, and All:
> 
> First of all, particularly to Cyndi, I apologize for not including my E-mail
> address itself in my previous message. I assumed it showed up in the E-mail
> itself when it was generated from the NFBNET server. Just for general
> reference, it is: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
> 
> Thanks for the helpful tips. Ironically, it turned out that I was better
> able to access help from the app itself. I  accessed my past trips and
> pressed the help button there.
> 
> I hope Uber follows through. Before I went nomail, I have heard that in some
> cases, they just suspend these drivers and don't actually remove them.
> 
> All The Best!
> 
> Chaim  
> 
> Chaim B. Segal
> Call Center Representative
> Sinclair Community College
> Dayton, Ohio
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 12:30:16 -0700
> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 33
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> Ricky Joe,
> 
> We have had tremendous success honoring the ?den? inner nature of dogs.  We have two working dogs - mine for vision and the other in the family for head injury.  As much as a classic tie down is good, the easiest thing of all for us is to let the dog be in a place most comfortable.  We bring a towel and set it between, next to or - best of all -  under the table.  Frankly they love a ?den? situation so much that if an occasion comes when we have to do something without them, we set up an X-pen and throw their beds in.  We have to practically fight them for the door in.  And when we return, we have to ask them to come out.  Same in restaurants, which would be a lot like your cooking dynamic (like foot traffic and standing, food, activity around you).  We?ll put down a towel, and they?ll go right into down on it, without us asking.  If on leaving we'd not remember the dogs came in with us, you?d never even know we'd brought them!
> On Apr 29, 2017, at 8:42 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>>  1. Greetings from a new poster (rickyjoecook at comcast.net)
>>  2. Re: FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>>     Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation? (Star Gazer)
>>  3. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 28 (Peter Wolf)
>>  4. Re: FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>>     Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation? (Star Gazer)
>>  5. Re: FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>>     Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation? (Cindy Ray)
>>  6. Re: FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>>     Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation? (Star Gazer)
>>  7. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 22 (Peter Wolf)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 06:10:51 -0700
>> From: <rickyjoecook at comcast.net>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Greetings from a new poster
>> Message-ID: <E83E0110722A47C8B959DA1E40C881C1 at DESKTOPLMK8BJG>
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>> Hello, I am Ricky Joe Cook with my black labrador ?Darcy?. We are located in Tigard Oregon which is a suburb of Portland.
>> 
>> I am looking for some advice for me and Darcy. I am a chef and I do in-store wine tasting/cooking events in grocery stores. I will be starting my first series of new demos next Friday. I have a table that I use which is about four feet long and two feet wide. I will be standing behind the table for about three hours. I am trying to figure out how to handle positioning Darcy. should I take her bed and put it under the table? If so and I am using my hands how should I attacher on tie down. I was thinking to maybe my belt? I don?t really want to attach her to the table. I will have wine bottles and a cook stove on the table. II don?t know if there are any blind chefs with guide dogs or not but was wondering what they did while they were working.
>> 
>> I am glad to provide more info but this is the basic idea of what I am doing and need some advice for.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ricky Joe & Darcy
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:27:36 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> 	Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> Message-ID: <01ba01d2c0fd$21c2d040$654870c0$@gmail.com>
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>> 
>> 			I wonder if the language "bring your dog" is what is
>> confusing people. It's phrased like "bring your kid" as in "bring your kid
>> to work day" where the children will not be performing any job functions.
>> They are just there for decoration. 
>> In Tracey's example, she needed her dog to get to and from the interview and
>> presumably around the office. So she isn't "bringing her dog". 
>> Personally, I would and have just used whatever mobility aid you needed and
>> go do the interview. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:29 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> Hi Becky.
>> What Danielle says makes a lot of sense to me.
>> I'd say that whether or not you bring your dog to an interview is up to you.
>> Personally, I would, because I'd use him to get there in the first place.
>> I think the article is right about discussing the dog in relation to the
>> job, if and when you get it.  If you'd be working in food service, it would
>> be reasonable for the employer to talk about where the dog would be while
>> you're working with food.  But, if like me you're working in an office, I
>> don't see that it would really come up.  I might say that the dog will be
>> with me and under my control at all times.  And, of course, I'd be sure my
>> dog was clean and well-behaved during the interview, but I always do those
>> things anyway.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sabo via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:05 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Rebecca Sabo
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> Hi
>> I have a job interview on Tuesday should or should not bring my guy dog with
>> me. Also any suggestions would be great how to approach bringing my dog if I
>> get the position Becky
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:20 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Huh.  When I was interviewing for jobs, well before the ADA, I didn't even
>> think about whether or not I should bring my guide dog with me.  I just did
>> it.  We come as a set, pretty much.  I don't recall any interview that
>> didn't require considerable travel by bus or subway, plus walking through
>> the city, so of course I used my dog.  My first dog went on so many job
>> interviews that she learned to look for a reception desk as soon as we
>> walked into an office building.  Smart girl.
>> 
>> Sometimes I think the ADA just complicates things.
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: NJAGDU [mailto:njagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger Kutsch
>> via NJAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:41 PM
>> To: New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Ginger Kutsch
>> Subject: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access
>> or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access or Reasonable
>> Accommodation?
>> 
>> 
>> JAN e-news 2nd quarter 
>> 
>> URL: http://askjan.org/enews/2017/Enews-V15-I2.htm#1
>> 
>> Issues related to service animals in the workplace continue to confuse both
>> employers and the individuals with disabilities who use the service animals,
>> but one of the most confusing issues is whether a job applicant has a right
>> to take a service animal to a job interview. The answer depends on whether
>> the interview is part of a public event, such as a job fair, or a private,
>> one on one interview in the employer's place of business. Why does it matter
>> whether the job interview is public or private? It matters because there are
>> different rules under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) related to
>> service animals in public places versus places of employment. 
>> 
>> Public job fairs are typically covered by title II (state and local
>> government) or title III (public accommodations) of ADA depending on who
>> sponsors the fair.  They are usually open to anyone who wants to attend so
>> they are considered public. Under titles II and III of the ADA, individuals
>> with disabilities attending a public job fair have a right to take their
>> service animals with them according to Department of Justice guidelines
>> <https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html> .
>> 
>> For private, one on one job interviews, title I (employment) of the ADA
>> applies, assuming the employer has at least 15 employees. Under title I,
>> individuals with disabilities do not have an automatic right to bring a
>> service animal to a job interview; bringing an animal into an employer's
>> place of business is a form of reasonable accommodation, meaning the job
>> applicant must ask to bring the service animal to the interview and the
>> employer must consider the request. 
>> 
>> But what should an employer do if a job applicant shows up with a service
>> animal without prior approval? From a practical standpoint, the best thing
>> might be to go ahead and conduct the interview if possible and then discuss
>> the service animal if the applicant is offered the job. This way, the
>> employer focuses on the job applicant's qualifications and not on the
>> employee's disability. In some cases, the employer might need to ask about
>> the service animal as part of determining whether the applicant is
>> qualified. For example, if the applicant is applying for a food service job,
>> there will be work areas where the service animal is not allowed and the
>> employer may need to make sure the applicant can perform the job without the
>> service animal present at all times. For purposes of the job interview, this
>> discussion should be brief and focused on job performance. 
>> 
>> For job applicants with disabilities who use service animals, there are a
>> couple of different options for the job interview. First, the applicant can
>> notify the employer that he/she uses a service animal and ask whether the
>> service animal can be used during the job interview. Applicants should be
>> prepared to provide medical documentation if the employer requests it; under
>> the ADA, employers are allowed to require medical documentation when an
>> applicant or employee requests an accommodation. Some employers try to
>> minimize medical documentation related to accommodation requests for job
>> interviews, so hopefully applicants will not be required to provide any, but
>> it is good to be prepared. 
>> 
>> The other option is to not use the service animal during the job interview.
>> Some people need their service animal with them at all times, but others are
>> able to be without the service animal for brief periods and opt to wait to
>> talk with an employer about the use of the service animal until after a job
>> offer is secured. 
>> 
>> Also, there may be state laws related to service animal access that require
>> employers to automatically allow job applicants to bring a service animal to
>> the job interview. For information about state laws, see
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/51
>> 
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:29:14 -0700
>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 28
>> Message-ID: <FD5C4D9F-390C-4DC2-8C0E-599B236E48B4 at wolfskills.com>
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>> 
>> I have vision-meets-balance issues.  I don?t see peripherally, so when Metukah puts her head down or goes to sniff, it will be too late to correct - and I may not be balanced.  The solution when I discussed this was that although it wasn?t standard practice, to use a head halter.  We use Holt, or Halti.  She can open her mouth, pant, and even eat.  I mean just a training treat or something because she can open her mouth halfway, not all the way.   It also allows drinking.  It?s just a head steering aid, and it tells me instantly when she is about to move her head out of walking range.  
>> 
>> As an aside,, we up to now have worked on leash, not handle, for six years.  Julie has been helping me a lot to get her ready for harness handle, and will shortly be making one to fit her.   But in getting ready I have been using a training harness in the interim, and simply using the leash and halter as usual, clipped on my belt and holding it like always, independent of the training harness.  No problem.  But back to the issue.
>> 
>> The traininer and I recognized how awesome Metukah is, even though the curious nose wasn?t going away, and so develped this strategy to include and work around it.  It simply keeps her head up where it belongs when she gets tempted, and if she gets to the phase between thought and action, I can catch it and it is a one fingertip pad touch correction in a little sewn finger loop - the way we work - extremely light on leash.  It is relationship, and communication, not pulling. 
>> 
>> Here?s the other thing.  We both know each others? intelligence.  We respect each other a lot.  It is sometimes astonishing how affective it is to have a full sentence English conversation, with full intention and language, and subtlety, discussing desire, boundaries, feelings, and the importance of something.  She gets it.  We have never done discipline.  Well, correction.  I have raised my voice twice in seven years, but only because she was occupied and didn?t hear me at first and react.  Here?s the caveat.  If you are going to lay out your case to your dog, he or she will get it.  But *only* if you believe it is possible.  Hope this helps.
>> Peter
>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>> 1. Re: bad dogs (Tami Jarvis)
>>> 2. Re: bad dogs (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 3. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
>>> 4. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
>>> 5. Re: bad dogs (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 6. Re: bad dogs (S L Johnson)
>>> 7. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
>>> 8. Re: bad dogs (S L Johnson)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 09:35:32 -0700
>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Message-ID: <f026b274-0128-f723-3f72-9bbc0c91e5c9 at poodlemutt.com>
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>>> 
>>> Dar,
>>> 
>>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work 
>>> for you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss 
>>> it out anyway, just in case it might work.
>>> 
>>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If 
>>> you can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance 
>>> and thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the 
>>> ground, then block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it, 
>>> you might be able to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with 
>>> my husband's muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used 
>>> it on the poodles to convince them not to cut across me for a good 
>>> sniff. I'm not sure I'd try it with my guide in a crowd or in a place 
>>> I'm likely to lose orientation, but it does work. It's a direct form of 
>>> communication that mimics how dogs communicate boundaries and so on. I 
>>> keep my body turned slightly away from the dog and don't even look at 
>>> it. It also takes less strength than trying to pull a stubborn monster 
>>> away from a goodie, so you might get more victories.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of 
>>> the time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a 
>>> strong, stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get 
>>> your girl past this.
>>> 
>>> Tami
>>> 
>>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:03:36 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Message-ID: <00bf01d2bde5$e1118d30$a334a790$@access.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Hi Tami.
>>> That's interesting.  I could see how it could work, if the food is in front
>>> of or to the dog's right--well, my direction, which is to his right.  Krokus
>>> often seems to dive left-ish, where the food is closer to him.  I have
>>> sometimes managed to stick my foot between his nose and a tasty tidbit, but
>>> that's just dumb luck.  
>>> Still, I'll keep this idea in mind myself.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 12:36 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Tami Jarvis
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>> Dar,
>>> 
>>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work for
>>> you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss it out
>>> anyway, just in case it might work.
>>> 
>>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If you
>>> can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance and
>>> thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the ground, then
>>> block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it, you might be able
>>> to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with my husband's
>>> muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used it on the poodles
>>> to convince them not to cut across me for a good sniff. I'm not sure I'd try
>>> it with my guide in a crowd or in a place I'm likely to lose orientation,
>>> but it does work. It's a direct form of communication that mimics how dogs
>>> communicate boundaries and so on. I keep my body turned slightly away from
>>> the dog and don't even look at it. It also takes less strength than trying
>>> to pull a stubborn monster away from a goodie, so you might get more
>>> victories.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of the
>>> time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a strong,
>>> stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get your girl past
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Tami
>>> 
>>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down 
>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, 
>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her 
>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:28:07 -0400
>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Message-ID: <6b093d38.8952.44b7.9c9f.307385134f5e at samobile.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>> 
>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>> I did the short leash,
>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely helps.
>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse control.  I
>>>> don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on getting him to
>>>> resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this more, but even the
>>>> bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still tries to pick up stuff,
>>>> but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we can actually walk all the way
>>>> across town without grabbing anything.
>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, I am
>>>> sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her down
>>>> outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:55:13 -0400
>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Message-ID: <b8cbcb56.04e7.411e.94c0.24838b352056 at samobile.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>> 
>>> Yes I give her the knee when she is sniffing buts.
>>> Never tried it when nove is on ground.
>>> I can use my left knee to do this.
>>> I also have to do this when we sniff corners on buildings, as well as 
>>> when driver is walking up to us.
>>> She starts a tail wag, where for the most part would be fine, except if 
>>> there is a curb off I go because she is watching driver not feet and curb.
>>> She might get this thing after all.
>>> I just have to stay on her at all times.
>>> The short leash is wonderful.
>>> I even have the prong collar on.
>>> I slow her down in areas I don't know so I do have better balance.
>>> Going down ramps things like that.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Dar,
>>> 
>>>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work
>>>> for you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss
>>>> it out anyway, just in case it might work.
>>> 
>>>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If
>>>> you can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance
>>>> and thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the
>>>> ground, then block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it,
>>>> you might be able to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with
>>>> my husband's muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used
>>>> it on the poodles to convince them not to cut across me for a good
>>>> sniff. I'm not sure I'd try it with my guide in a crowd or in a place
>>>> I'm likely to lose orientation, but it does work. It's a direct form of
>>>> communication that mimics how dogs communicate boundaries and so on. I
>>>> keep my body turned slightly away from the dog and don't even look at
>>>> it. It also takes less strength than trying to pull a stubborn monster
>>>> away from a goodie, so you might get more victories.
>>> 
>>>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of
>>>> the time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a
>>>> strong, stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get
>>>> your girl past this.
>>> 
>>>> Tami
>>> 
>>>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:59:15 -0400
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Message-ID: <00ca01d2bdf6$091548c0$1b3fda40$@access.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Good job.  Sounds like you're making progress.  Maybe a few weeks of the old
>>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>> I did the short leash,
>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely
>>> helps.
>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse 
>>>> control.  I don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on 
>>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this 
>>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still 
>>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we 
>>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina 
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down 
>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, 
>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her 
>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NAGDU:
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>>>> et
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:10:56 -0400
>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Message-ID: <4ACD9981DB694F8A90C22FD01A1AF2EF at SLJohnson>
>>> 
>>> Dar:
>>> 
>>>> From my experience you will definitely have better control with a shorter 
>>> leach.  It seems that she is better when you are using the prong collar so 
>>> that might have to be part of your daily bag of tricks with her.  Good luck 
>>> with that very stubborn girl of yours.
>>> 
>>> Sandra
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: d m gina via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>> I did the short leash,
>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely 
>>>> helps.
>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse control.  I
>>>> don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on getting him to
>>>> resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this more, but even the
>>>> bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still tries to pick up stuff,
>>>> but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we can actually walk all the 
>>>> way
>>>> across town without grabbing anything.
>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, I 
>>>> am
>>>> sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her 
>>>> down
>>>> outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>> NAGDU:
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:24:19 -0400
>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Message-ID: <281ccc3d.6fbe.4b39.91d2.5ace5836d78b at samobile.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>> 
>>> To take a cane with you and work a dog that is a handful, is hard to do.
>>> I left cane home this morning to make sure she would do her job.
>>> She did pretty well with all of the reminders.
>>> Thanks Julie for working with me on small leashes.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Good job.  Sounds like you're making progress.  Maybe a few weeks of the old
>>>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>>> I did the short leash,
>>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely
>>>> helps.
>>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>>>>> control.  I don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on
>>>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this
>>>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still
>>>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we
>>>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NAGDU:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.n
>>>>> et
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:34:46 -0400
>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Message-ID: <3287E4B5BBF045E490B8000936508D06 at SLJohnson>
>>> 
>>> Dar:
>>> 
>>> It is fine if you decide not to use your support cane but I do not want you 
>>> to fall without using it.  When I hold my cane in the right hand, I can 
>>> still use the leash by holding it around my right wrist and then grabbing 
>>> the cane.  If the leash is short enough it will be just enough that the dog 
>>> will notice the slight pressure and know you will be ready if she does 
>>> something wrong.  I did this when I first brought Eva home because he wanted 
>>> to play with everyone.  Write me off list if you need a better explanation.
>>> 
>>> Sandra
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: d m gina via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:24 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>> To take a cane with you and work a dog that is a handful, is hard to do.
>>> I left cane home this morning to make sure she would do her job.
>>> She did pretty well with all of the reminders.
>>> Thanks Julie for working with me on small leashes.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Good job.  Sounds like you're making progress.  Maybe a few weeks of the 
>>>> old
>>>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>>> I did the short leash,
>>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely
>>>> helps.
>>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>>>>> control.  I don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on
>>>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this
>>>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still
>>>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we
>>>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> 
>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
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>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:29:43 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "'Tracy Carcione'" <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> 	Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> Message-ID: <01bc01d2c0fd$6d3f2780$47bd7680$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> 			I think I agree with you Tracey. It may work in
>> those rare times where all someone speaks is legal but I'm not so sure it
>> works well most of the time as people assume the government will take care
>> of it, or that magic will happen and a building or situation that wasn't
>> compliant, just becomes so. 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:20 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>> Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> Huh.  When I was interviewing for jobs, well before the ADA, I didn't even
>> think about whether or not I should bring my guide dog with me.  I just did
>> it.  We come as a set, pretty much.  I don't recall any interview that
>> didn't require considerable travel by bus or subway, plus walking through
>> the city, so of course I used my dog.  My first dog went on so many job
>> interviews that she learned to look for a reception desk as soon as we
>> walked into an office building.  Smart girl.
>> 
>> Sometimes I think the ADA just complicates things.
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: NJAGDU [mailto:njagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger Kutsch
>> via NJAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:41 PM
>> To: New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Ginger Kutsch
>> Subject: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access
>> or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access or Reasonable
>> Accommodation?
>> 
>> 
>> JAN e-news 2nd quarter 
>> 
>> URL: http://askjan.org/enews/2017/Enews-V15-I2.htm#1
>> 
>> Issues related to service animals in the workplace continue to confuse both
>> employers and the individuals with disabilities who use the service animals,
>> but one of the most confusing issues is whether a job applicant has a right
>> to take a service animal to a job interview. The answer depends on whether
>> the interview is part of a public event, such as a job fair, or a private,
>> one on one interview in the employer's place of business. Why does it matter
>> whether the job interview is public or private? It matters because there are
>> different rules under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) related to
>> service animals in public places versus places of employment. 
>> 
>> Public job fairs are typically covered by title II (state and local
>> government) or title III (public accommodations) of ADA depending on who
>> sponsors the fair.  They are usually open to anyone who wants to attend so
>> they are considered public. Under titles II and III of the ADA, individuals
>> with disabilities attending a public job fair have a right to take their
>> service animals with them according to Department of Justice guidelines
>> <https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html> .
>> 
>> For private, one on one job interviews, title I (employment) of the ADA
>> applies, assuming the employer has at least 15 employees. Under title I,
>> individuals with disabilities do not have an automatic right to bring a
>> service animal to a job interview; bringing an animal into an employer's
>> place of business is a form of reasonable accommodation, meaning the job
>> applicant must ask to bring the service animal to the interview and the
>> employer must consider the request. 
>> 
>> But what should an employer do if a job applicant shows up with a service
>> animal without prior approval? From a practical standpoint, the best thing
>> might be to go ahead and conduct the interview if possible and then discuss
>> the service animal if the applicant is offered the job. This way, the
>> employer focuses on the job applicant's qualifications and not on the
>> employee's disability. In some cases, the employer might need to ask about
>> the service animal as part of determining whether the applicant is
>> qualified. For example, if the applicant is applying for a food service job,
>> there will be work areas where the service animal is not allowed and the
>> employer may need to make sure the applicant can perform the job without the
>> service animal present at all times. For purposes of the job interview, this
>> discussion should be brief and focused on job performance. 
>> 
>> For job applicants with disabilities who use service animals, there are a
>> couple of different options for the job interview. First, the applicant can
>> notify the employer that he/she uses a service animal and ask whether the
>> service animal can be used during the job interview. Applicants should be
>> prepared to provide medical documentation if the employer requests it; under
>> the ADA, employers are allowed to require medical documentation when an
>> applicant or employee requests an accommodation. Some employers try to
>> minimize medical documentation related to accommodation requests for job
>> interviews, so hopefully applicants will not be required to provide any, but
>> it is good to be prepared. 
>> 
>> The other option is to not use the service animal during the job interview.
>> Some people need their service animal with them at all times, but others are
>> able to be without the service animal for brief periods and opt to wait to
>> talk with an employer about the use of the service animal until after a job
>> offer is secured. 
>> 
>> Also, there may be state laws related to service animal access that require
>> employers to automatically allow job applicants to bring a service animal to
>> the job interview. For information about state laws, see
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/51
>> 
>> - 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 10:39:11 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> 	Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> Message-ID: <005601d2c0fe$c0151900$403f4b00$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I think the whole concept of being able to use your dog in regular public
>> places but not in a one-on-one interview without disclosure/permission is
>> what causes the dilemma.
>> Cindy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:28 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> 			I wonder if the language "bring your dog" is what is
>> confusing people. It's phrased like "bring your kid" as in "bring your kid
>> to work day" where the children will not be performing any job functions.
>> They are just there for decoration. 
>> In Tracey's example, she needed her dog to get to and from the interview and
>> presumably around the office. So she isn't "bringing her dog". 
>> Personally, I would and have just used whatever mobility aid you needed and
>> go do the interview. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:29 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> Hi Becky.
>> What Danielle says makes a lot of sense to me.
>> I'd say that whether or not you bring your dog to an interview is up to you.
>> Personally, I would, because I'd use him to get there in the first place.
>> I think the article is right about discussing the dog in relation to the
>> job, if and when you get it.  If you'd be working in food service, it would
>> be reasonable for the employer to talk about where the dog would be while
>> you're working with food.  But, if like me you're working in an office, I
>> don't see that it would really come up.  I might say that the dog will be
>> with me and under my control at all times.  And, of course, I'd be sure my
>> dog was clean and well-behaved during the interview, but I always do those
>> things anyway.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sabo via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:05 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Rebecca Sabo
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> Hi
>> I have a job interview on Tuesday should or should not bring my guy dog with
>> me. Also any suggestions would be great how to approach bringing my dog if I
>> get the position Becky
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:20 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Huh.  When I was interviewing for jobs, well before the ADA, I didn't even
>> think about whether or not I should bring my guide dog with me.  I just did
>> it.  We come as a set, pretty much.  I don't recall any interview that
>> didn't require considerable travel by bus or subway, plus walking through
>> the city, so of course I used my dog.  My first dog went on so many job
>> interviews that she learned to look for a reception desk as soon as we
>> walked into an office building.  Smart girl.
>> 
>> Sometimes I think the ADA just complicates things.
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: NJAGDU [mailto:njagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger Kutsch
>> via NJAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:41 PM
>> To: New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Ginger Kutsch
>> Subject: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access
>> or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access or Reasonable
>> Accommodation?
>> 
>> 
>> JAN e-news 2nd quarter 
>> 
>> URL: http://askjan.org/enews/2017/Enews-V15-I2.htm#1
>> 
>> Issues related to service animals in the workplace continue to confuse both
>> employers and the individuals with disabilities who use the service animals,
>> but one of the most confusing issues is whether a job applicant has a right
>> to take a service animal to a job interview. The answer depends on whether
>> the interview is part of a public event, such as a job fair, or a private,
>> one on one interview in the employer's place of business. Why does it matter
>> whether the job interview is public or private? It matters because there are
>> different rules under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) related to
>> service animals in public places versus places of employment. 
>> 
>> Public job fairs are typically covered by title II (state and local
>> government) or title III (public accommodations) of ADA depending on who
>> sponsors the fair.  They are usually open to anyone who wants to attend so
>> they are considered public. Under titles II and III of the ADA, individuals
>> with disabilities attending a public job fair have a right to take their
>> service animals with them according to Department of Justice guidelines
>> <https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html> .
>> 
>> For private, one on one job interviews, title I (employment) of the ADA
>> applies, assuming the employer has at least 15 employees. Under title I,
>> individuals with disabilities do not have an automatic right to bring a
>> service animal to a job interview; bringing an animal into an employer's
>> place of business is a form of reasonable accommodation, meaning the job
>> applicant must ask to bring the service animal to the interview and the
>> employer must consider the request. 
>> 
>> But what should an employer do if a job applicant shows up with a service
>> animal without prior approval? From a practical standpoint, the best thing
>> might be to go ahead and conduct the interview if possible and then discuss
>> the service animal if the applicant is offered the job. This way, the
>> employer focuses on the job applicant's qualifications and not on the
>> employee's disability. In some cases, the employer might need to ask about
>> the service animal as part of determining whether the applicant is
>> qualified. For example, if the applicant is applying for a food service job,
>> there will be work areas where the service animal is not allowed and the
>> employer may need to make sure the applicant can perform the job without the
>> service animal present at all times. For purposes of the job interview, this
>> discussion should be brief and focused on job performance. 
>> 
>> For job applicants with disabilities who use service animals, there are a
>> couple of different options for the job interview. First, the applicant can
>> notify the employer that he/she uses a service animal and ask whether the
>> service animal can be used during the job interview. Applicants should be
>> prepared to provide medical documentation if the employer requests it; under
>> the ADA, employers are allowed to require medical documentation when an
>> applicant or employee requests an accommodation. Some employers try to
>> minimize medical documentation related to accommodation requests for job
>> interviews, so hopefully applicants will not be required to provide any, but
>> it is good to be prepared. 
>> 
>> The other option is to not use the service animal during the job interview.
>> Some people need their service animal with them at all times, but others are
>> able to be without the service animal for brief periods and opt to wait to
>> talk with an employer about the use of the service animal until after a job
>> offer is secured. 
>> 
>> Also, there may be state laws related to service animal access that require
>> employers to automatically allow job applicants to bring a service animal to
>> the job interview. For information about state laws, see
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/51
>> 
>> - 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:41:20 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> 	Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> Message-ID: <01ee01d2c0ff$0cae03d0$260a0b70$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> 				You may be onto something, Cindy, but the
>> language "bring your dog" sure doesn't help
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 11:39 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> I think the whole concept of being able to use your dog in regular public
>> places but not in a one-on-one interview without disclosure/permission is
>> what causes the dilemma.
>> Cindy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:28 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> 			I wonder if the language "bring your dog" is what is
>> confusing people. It's phrased like "bring your kid" as in "bring your kid
>> to work day" where the children will not be performing any job functions.
>> They are just there for decoration. 
>> In Tracey's example, she needed her dog to get to and from the interview and
>> presumably around the office. So she isn't "bringing her dog". 
>> Personally, I would and have just used whatever mobility aid you needed and
>> go do the interview. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:29 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> Hi Becky.
>> What Danielle says makes a lot of sense to me.
>> I'd say that whether or not you bring your dog to an interview is up to you.
>> Personally, I would, because I'd use him to get there in the first place.
>> I think the article is right about discussing the dog in relation to the
>> job, if and when you get it.  If you'd be working in food service, it would
>> be reasonable for the employer to talk about where the dog would be while
>> you're working with food.  But, if like me you're working in an office, I
>> don't see that it would really come up.  I might say that the dog will be
>> with me and under my control at all times.  And, of course, I'd be sure my
>> dog was clean and well-behaved during the interview, but I always do those
>> things anyway.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sabo via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:05 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Rebecca Sabo
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> Hi
>> I have a job interview on Tuesday should or should not bring my guy dog with
>> me. Also any suggestions would be great how to approach bringing my dog if I
>> get the position Becky
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:20 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Huh.  When I was interviewing for jobs, well before the ADA, I didn't even
>> think about whether or not I should bring my guide dog with me.  I just did
>> it.  We come as a set, pretty much.  I don't recall any interview that
>> didn't require considerable travel by bus or subway, plus walking through
>> the city, so of course I used my dog.  My first dog went on so many job
>> interviews that she learned to look for a reception desk as soon as we
>> walked into an office building.  Smart girl.
>> 
>> Sometimes I think the ADA just complicates things.
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: NJAGDU [mailto:njagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger Kutsch
>> via NJAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:41 PM
>> To: New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Ginger Kutsch
>> Subject: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access
>> or Reasonable Accommodation?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access or Reasonable
>> Accommodation?
>> 
>> 
>> JAN e-news 2nd quarter 
>> 
>> URL: http://askjan.org/enews/2017/Enews-V15-I2.htm#1
>> 
>> Issues related to service animals in the workplace continue to confuse both
>> employers and the individuals with disabilities who use the service animals,
>> but one of the most confusing issues is whether a job applicant has a right
>> to take a service animal to a job interview. The answer depends on whether
>> the interview is part of a public event, such as a job fair, or a private,
>> one on one interview in the employer's place of business. Why does it matter
>> whether the job interview is public or private? It matters because there are
>> different rules under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) related to
>> service animals in public places versus places of employment. 
>> 
>> Public job fairs are typically covered by title II (state and local
>> government) or title III (public accommodations) of ADA depending on who
>> sponsors the fair.  They are usually open to anyone who wants to attend so
>> they are considered public. Under titles II and III of the ADA, individuals
>> with disabilities attending a public job fair have a right to take their
>> service animals with them according to Department of Justice guidelines
>> <https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html> .
>> 
>> For private, one on one job interviews, title I (employment) of the ADA
>> applies, assuming the employer has at least 15 employees. Under title I,
>> individuals with disabilities do not have an automatic right to bring a
>> service animal to a job interview; bringing an animal into an employer's
>> place of business is a form of reasonable accommodation, meaning the job
>> applicant must ask to bring the service animal to the interview and the
>> employer must consider the request. 
>> 
>> But what should an employer do if a job applicant shows up with a service
>> animal without prior approval? From a practical standpoint, the best thing
>> might be to go ahead and conduct the interview if possible and then discuss
>> the service animal if the applicant is offered the job. This way, the
>> employer focuses on the job applicant's qualifications and not on the
>> employee's disability. In some cases, the employer might need to ask about
>> the service animal as part of determining whether the applicant is
>> qualified. For example, if the applicant is applying for a food service job,
>> there will be work areas where the service animal is not allowed and the
>> employer may need to make sure the applicant can perform the job without the
>> service animal present at all times. For purposes of the job interview, this
>> discussion should be brief and focused on job performance. 
>> 
>> For job applicants with disabilities who use service animals, there are a
>> couple of different options for the job interview. First, the applicant can
>> notify the employer that he/she uses a service animal and ask whether the
>> service animal can be used during the job interview. Applicants should be
>> prepared to provide medical documentation if the employer requests it; under
>> the ADA, employers are allowed to require medical documentation when an
>> applicant or employee requests an accommodation. Some employers try to
>> minimize medical documentation related to accommodation requests for job
>> interviews, so hopefully applicants will not be required to provide any, but
>> it is good to be prepared. 
>> 
>> The other option is to not use the service animal during the job interview.
>> Some people need their service animal with them at all times, but others are
>> able to be without the service animal for brief periods and opt to wait to
>> talk with an employer about the use of the service animal until after a job
>> offer is secured. 
>> 
>> Also, there may be state laws related to service animal access that require
>> employers to automatically allow job applicants to bring a service animal to
>> the job interview. For information about state laws, see
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/51
>> 
>> - 
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:41:49 -0700
>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 22
>> Message-ID: <AA6292A2-D55C-4F0C-893C-17C309615BDC at wolfskills.com>
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>> 
>> On Julie?s comment - I?ve written related comments recently.  Check out Dr. Becker.  You can subscribe to her newsletters.  She can be over the top like Dr. Mercola can be.  But deduct 30% from what they say and they are great.  These two are on a mission.  But always on health researchers and reading between the lines on common sense health and what can be done to promote or preserve it.  
>> 
>> Commercial dog food is frightening.  Most - almost all - of it - is crap.  We spend the same money now on species appropriate raw (just a little morning and night, raw meat), because it is what they are built to eat.  The enzyme and biochemical content, unaltered, makes cleaner teeth, and cleans up dog breath to sweet in only two days.  That?s the first thing.  The second, is by now we?ve found only one brand we trust.  Origen (and their other label, Acana).  They are species appropriate, and high protein.  No scud meal, condemned animal parts, or inappropriate carbs.  As we understand it, it isn?t high protein that kills kidneys, it is phosphorus.    Our dogs self regulate their eating, perfect weight, and are bright and healthy.  
>> 
>> About the raw - organic only.  Now back to the spending part:  After premature animal death from diabetes in the past, traced to food, we?re done with that.  We spend the money now, with love, and we figure it will return two things:  the same money we would have spent on horrible vet bills on a dog that broke down prematurely and sickened, retired early, or died?and a bright, vibrant dog for their whole lives.  Spend the money now!  
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>> 1. movie about dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>> 2. Re: Clipping dogs nails (Jean Menzies)
>>> 3. Re: OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit (Becky Frankeberger)
>>> 4. Re: The old goat (d m gina)
>>> 5. Re: Clipping dogs nails (Jean Menzies)
>>> 6. Re: Affordable dog food (S L Johnson)
>>> 7. Re: Affordable dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>> 8. Re: Grooming Spray (Jean Menzies)
>>> 9. :  Affordable dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>> 10. Re: :  Affordable dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>> 11. Re: OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit (Charlene Ota)
>>> 12. Re: Grooming Spray (Afton roy anne Harper)
>>> 13. Re: Grooming Spray (Afton roy anne Harper)
>>> 14. Re: Grooming Spray (Afton roy anne Harper)
>>> 15. Re: OK, i chose! (Shanna Stichler)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 14:04:40 -0500
>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] movie about dog food
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>>> 
>>> I found a new movie on Netflix called: "Pet Fooled".  I've watched a bit 
>>> of it, but had other things to do.  I'll finish it later today.  Anyway, 
>>> it's about the pet food industry, what ingredients really are, what 
>>> label terms actually mean, industry standards and species appropriate 
>>> diets.   There is some information about the history of pet foods and 
>>> they explain the large recalls that happened a few years ago.  So far 
>>> it's been very informative.   If anyone else has watched it, I'd be 
>>> interested in hearing your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:57:29 -0700
>>> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>> Message-ID: <F82B4E63AB204E59A85F068444219C16 at JeanLaptop>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>> 	reply-type=original
>>> 
>>> For years I used the PetiCure Elite pet nail grinder. Sadly, though, it just 
>>> gave up the ghost. I have just purchased a new corded nail grinder, but 
>>> haven't tried it yet. The PetiCure is no longer being manufactured. I think 
>>> any of the corded nail grinders would be fine. The one I just bought is from 
>>> Sunbeam.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I never liked the hand clippers, but then maybe I just never had 
>>> a good pair. lol.
>>> 
>>> I found the battery powered nail grinders were just too weak for labrador 
>>> nails. They would be strong enough for cats and smaller dogs.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 1:37 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the replies everyone.  I think I will look for a good pair of 
>>> clippers since that sounds like it will be the easiest for me to work with.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via 
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 11:37 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Vivianna
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>> 
>>> Hi Jordan,
>>> I grind my dog?s nails.  i use the dremmil tool for the task.  there are 
>>> some grinders that are easier to use but, this one is pretty powerful and i 
>>> get the job done quicker.
>>> i tend to have to grind about every 2 weeks.
>>> 
>>> Vivianna
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How do blind people go about clipping their dogs nails?  Belto's
>>>> dewclaws especially grow like weeds, and I would like to know how to
>>>> go about clipping his nails and what tools people are using to do so.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Jordan
>>>> 
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:03:41 -0700
>>> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
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>>> 
>>> Dani, I did the same thing here and asked transit to take my retired guide
>>> dog to the vet. They said fine as we have a long history of working with
>>> them on committees and such. I was talking to someone and boy did I get an
>>> ear full. I shall clean it up, lol. They said well did Baxter forget how to
>>> guide. I said no of course not. They said then it is none of their business
>>> why you are taking two guide dogs with you on the bus. 
>>> 
>>> Dani, I am not the brightest bulb, but that made more sense to me then I
>>> first grasped. There are certainly people who work two service dogs to
>>> mitigate different disabilities. Jake was young and frankly board to death
>>> when we shopped. Baxter who loves to shop would guide me fine in any store
>>> mall whatever, he just couldn't do the street work Jake was so incredible
>>> doing.
>>> 
>>> So anyway, I put harnesses on both of them and off to the vet we went on
>>> transit. 
>>> 
>>> Dani, I have several articles on aging dogs if you are interested.
>>> 
>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> Warmly,
>>> Becky and twelve year old Jake,  
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:01 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
>>> 
>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>> Because Peggy is retired, the Paratransit customer service says I have to
>>> put her in a kennel to transport her. I don't want to have her go through
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> I have a friend who I pay to help take us to the vet when she needs to go
>>> for vaccinations, or if something comes up that I can't take care of myself.
>>> 
>>> Especially now, with the anxiety thing going on, I don't want to add
>>> anything.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dani
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:07:26 -0400
>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
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>>> 
>>> Still want to know what a smart collar is, do I have it and not realize it?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Original message:
>>>> Dar:
>>> 
>>>> Oh the temptations of all the smells that come out in the spring.  Some dogs
>>>> just can't resist sniffing out everything.  It is a good idea to go back to
>>>> the prong collar if it gives you better control over your stubborn goat in a
>>>> dog suit.  Good luck with her.
>>> 
>>>> Sandra
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: d m gina via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:48 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>> 
>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>> Have fun.
>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
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>>>> every sinner has a future
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>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:09:11 -0700
>>> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
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>>> 
>>> Yes, take some time to get the dog used to it at first. Just one touch to a 
>>> nail and then move on. Maybe only one foot. Depends on the dog's response. 
>>> Make it a happy time with praise and treats if that's what works for you. My 
>>> guide and our pet are good with it now. When I get the grinder out, they 
>>> both come over. They don't like it, but they know it will happen. Plus they 
>>> always get treats at the end even now. My guide even looks away when I do 
>>> his front feet. lol. Kind of like people who look away when it's time to get 
>>> a nedle.
>>> 
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:41 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>> 
>>> No, I'm a rough old customer.  I just hand out kibble, praise, and scold him 
>>> when he wiggles.
>>> At first, I had to put my leg over him, while he was lying down, to hold him 
>>> still.  He still wiggles a bit when I do the front paws.  But he knows he 
>>> gets a kibble for each paw when it's done, and a jackpot at the end, so he's 
>>> good.
>>> I just touch the grinder to the nail for a short time, then take it off, 
>>> then touch again.  The vibration doesn't seem to be too bad.  And, since I 
>>> do nails faithfully every week, it's not a long job.
>>> I use escalators occasionally, and I really like having total control over 
>>> the length of my dog's nails.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville via 
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:02 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Lisa Belville
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>> 
>>> Tracy, how did you get your dogs used to the noise and vibration?  I'm 
>>> guessing you used a ton of praise and treats and didn't do any major 
>>> trimming for the first few times the dog was exposed.
>>> 
>>> Lisa
>>> 
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>> IF THE HOUSEWORK IS DONE - THEN THE COMPUTER IS Broken!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi Lisa.
>>>> I feel wimpy about nail clipping, too, which is why I chose the Dremmel
>>>> for grinding my dog's nails.  I've been using the grinder for 20 years
>>>> now, and haven't hurt a dog.  I just have to pay attention to the heat it
>>>> causes, as Julie explained.  It's not my dog's favorite thing, but a
>>>> little kibble goes a long way to making it OK by him.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:35 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Lisa Belville
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>> 
>>>> Jenine and all,
>>>> 
>>>> Any of you who can clip your dogs nails are awesome.  I'm too big of a
>>>> wuss to do it. Plus I've had two dogs get badly cut by sighted nail
>>>> trimmers, one was even a vet tech.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing I'd suggest for anyone is to get your dogs used to having their
>>>> feet handled. This should have already been done as it's part of basic
>>>> socialization, but most of us will need to do the work by touch, so
>>>> knowing what your dogs feet feel like and having them get accustomed to us
>>>> handling their feet and toes will help, too.
>>>> 
>>>> Lisa
>>>> 
>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>> IF THE HOUSEWORK IS DONE - THEN THE COMPUTER IS Broken!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jenine Stanley via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at icloud.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 2:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Jordan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have done the nails for both of our dogs for a while now, since the
>>>>> late
>>>>> ?90?s in fact.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right now I?m using a set of Miller?s Forge clippers with a guard but I
>>>>> don?t like the guard because I can?t feel how much nail is in the
>>>>> clipping
>>>>> area or in what position/angle that nail is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The key is to be confident about this. If you are anxious that you will
>>>>> trim too much and cut into the vein, you probably eventually will and
>>>>> your
>>>>> dog will sense it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like clippers with a scissor action rather than a guillotine action.
>>>>> this means that both blades move past each other slightly to cut the
>>>>> nail.
>>>>> It just gives you more flexibility in positioning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have used the Dremel and the PediPaws tools and if the PediPaws had a
>>>>> corded version, I?d buy it in a heartbeat. The larger grinding area and
>>>>> nicely designed guard really allow you to sculpt the nail. This is good
>>>>> for dewclaws that sometimes grow oddly. The PediPaws takes 2 C batteries
>>>>> I
>>>>> think and just doesn?t have enough power for really thick hard nails.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My current guy has not had his nails ground yet and despite clipping him
>>>>> once and drawing blood, we got past that and he now sits on my lap to
>>>>> have
>>>>> all 4 nails clipped. I wish my husband?s dog was that easy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you want to try this though, get a dowel rod and a pair of Miller?s
>>>>> Forge clippers, get 2 pairs, they?r not expensive, and practice on the
>>>>> dowel rod first.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do not try to clip nails when in a hurry or in a bad mood, she says from
>>>>> experience.
>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How do blind people go about clipping their dogs nails?  Belto's
>>>>>> dewclaws
>>>>>> especially grow like weeds, and I would like to know how to go about
>>>>>> clipping his nails and what tools people are using to do so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>> 
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:02:43 -0400
>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>> Message-ID: <20E5F03E401D404E91F07AC19E669FDF at SLJohnson>
>>> 
>>> Cindy:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for pointing out the fact that not all blind people can afford the 
>>> high end dog foods.  However we do want our dogs to be as healthy as 
>>> possible.  Sometimes on this list it feels like people are saying if we do 
>>> not feed these high quality foods we are not taking good care of our dogs. 
>>> It feels like some of you are saying that having a guide dog is only for 
>>> those who are lucky enough to have lots of money.  Well, that is not the 
>>> case for many of us.  We all know the unemployment and low wages for the 
>>> blind.  I am a retired senior with additional disabilities in addition to 
>>> blindness.  After rent and utilities there isn't much left so I have to do 
>>> my best to find affordable products for myself, my home and my guide dog.  I 
>>> suggest to anyone getting a new dog that they discuss their dog's diet with 
>>> the school and the vet once you have your dog home.  I did this and the 
>>> school and my vet said that Purina products are of good quality and suitable 
>>> for a working dog.  I always discuss the dog food choices with my vet at 
>>> every visit just in case we want to make a change.  It is possible to feed a 
>>> guide dog on a very low budget.  Of course the other concern for those of us 
>>> with limited income is the high cost of heartworm, flea prevention, 
>>> vaccinations and vet care.  It is too bad there is not any financial 
>>> assistance to help low income guide dog handlers with these expenses. 
>>> Please do not discourage anyone from applying for a guide dog just because 
>>> they are living on a very limited income
>>> 
>>> Sandra Johnson
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:17 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>> 
>>> Peter, sometimes people simply can't do what you are suggesting, so we are
>>> looking for inexpensive dogfoods here that people can afford. Dogs can
>>> thrive on these foods; some will become ill anyway, so I think we need to
>>> continue helping the person find the inexpensive dogfoods that she needs in
>>> order to have a dog right now. Maybe one day she can afford more.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:22 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> After losing a cat to diabetes years ago and tracing it to carb content in
>>> food, we learned about commercial food. - Now we bite the bullet and spend
>>> the money on super high end dog food.  Organic, clean and multi source
>>> protein.  A lot of money.  Raw chicken, raw other meats, and a bowl out of
>>> Origen or Acana.  A big bag is w-a-y more than commercial brands.  But we
>>> believe from our research In the long run, we may spend the same amount of
>>> money on food for life, as we might on horrific vet bills for a prematurely
>>> ill or dying dog.  Think about it.  We really think it is worth it.  Perhaps
>>> consider at least cutting commercial food with healthier stuff if it is all
>>> you can afford.  Check out Dr. Becker's online vet commentaries.  Hey she
>>> has too much to day like Dr. Mercola does for humans; both can be a little
>>> alarmist sometimes.  But they generally have excellent information with
>>> longevity as the main interest.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Peter
>>> 
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>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>> 1. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>> 2. Re: economical dog food (Aleeha Dudley)
>>>> 3. Re: economical dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>> 4. Re: economical dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 5. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>> 6. Re: economical dog food (Jody ianuzzi)
>>>> 7. The old goat (d m gina)
>>>> 8. Re: The old goat (Chantel Cuddemi)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:49:51 -0400
>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <6B85FF7E26434B0AA1F967B3F2C411B3 at SLJohnson>
>>>> 
>>>> Julie:
>>>> 
>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>> 
>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about the
>>>> nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other
>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and
>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I asked
>>>> my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.  The
>>>> lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly
>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found at
>>>> www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on some
>>>> of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free shipping if
>>>> you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your friend.  Having to
>>>> take care of a guide dog is a real concern for those of us on very low
>>> incomes.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> 
>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>> would be great!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the dog
>>> home.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:04:40 -0500
>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <49AAF162-EA19-44F6-A115-2613D6A7A9F9 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not have
>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. There
>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced differently.
>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, about
>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does extremely
>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good food,
>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about
>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other
>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and
>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I
>>>>> asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.
>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly
>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found
>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on
>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free
>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your
>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for those
>>> of us on very low incomes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>> would be great!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the dog
>>> home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:22:33 -0500
>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <c797dfbd-77c1-ad5e-1caa-0a4ab7947842 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>> 
>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog food
>>> than you
>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:33 -0500
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <02a801d2b926$7f87fcc0$7e97f640$@gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I'm buying Iams Senior on a monthly basis for about $60 for 52
>>>> pounds, but I guess that's pretty high. At The Seeing Eye once they
>>>> said that the difference between Purena 1 and one of the other premium
>>>> Purena dog foods was that the formula was more consistent. Anyway, it is a
>>> hard decision.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>> 
>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog food
>>> than you
>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:16:51 -0400
>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <29ED927D0AA74AFCB9CA0A72DA17F10C at SLJohnson>
>>>> 
>>>> Julie:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh my goodness, $70 for 20 pounds.  I am sure there are a lot of us
>>>> who cannot afford that kind of food.  I just checked the Rural King
>>>> website www.ruralking.com.  They have the Purina Dog Chow Complete 46
>>>> pound bag for $19.99.  I do not know what the shipping price would be
>>>> since I get mine from their store in my area.  They also offer a large
>>>> selection of other dry dog foods as well as bones and treats.  Believe
>>>> me without these low prices I could not afford to feed my guide dog
>>>> either.  Unfortunately rent and utilities keep going way up but the
>>>> income stays the same.  It is too bad that the guide dog schools do
>>>> not offer some kind of discount coupons or stipend to help graduates,
>>> especially retired seniors,  on very low incomes.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra  -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:22 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>> 
>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog food
>>> than you
>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:34:09 -0400
>>>> From: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <E86F74B0-EBE4-48E6-BA56-E1D7397A187F at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Truly is a great resource for food and their prices and shipping is great.
>>>> 
>>>> You can also get dog food from Amazon. Pierina pro plan is $39 and
>>>> Pierina one is $29. Shipping is free
>>>> 
>>>> Jody
>>>> 
>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 50 Years of Star Trek!
>>>> Live Long and Prosper!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not have
>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. There
>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced differently.
>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, about
>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does extremely
>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good food,
>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about
>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used
>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina
>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per
>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed
>>>>>> expensive foods.  The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog
>>>>>> Chow are perfectly suitable.  More information about the Purina dry
>>>>>> foods can be found at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry
>>>>>> dog foods search on some of the other dog food websites.  Some
>>>>>> companies offer free shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope
>>>>>> this helps your friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real
>>> concern for those of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the dog
>>> home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:48:58 -0400
>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>> Message-ID: <d29dc475.1d02.4102.b5ba.81d6494b85b5 at samobile.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>> 
>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>> Have fun.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 04:14:50 ?
>>>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CANCNGQJ2N3X_spiUTFAsGMHjH_8hciT????v?@mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>> 
>>>> Have you thought about using the smart collar instead? It's a plastic
>>>> collar that has points on it. It's a collar that goes higher up on the
>>>> dogs ears.
>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:15:20 -0500
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>> Message-ID: <004401d2badc$00c222a0$024667e0$@gmail.com>
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>>> 
>>> I am not sure the dog originally being discussed was going to be a guide
>>> dog, but the discussion could lead to discouragement. Check out companies
>>> where some of the products are manufactured. Sometimes they offer discounts
>>> to people with service animals. Also, if a person watches for sales it would
>>> be possible to get the food or whatever cheaper. Probably not so much the
>>> medicines.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:03 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>> 
>>> Cindy:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for pointing out the fact that not all blind people can afford the
>>> high end dog foods.  However we do want our dogs to be as healthy as
>>> possible.  Sometimes on this list it feels like people are saying if we do
>>> not feed these high quality foods we are not taking good care of our dogs. 
>>> It feels like some of you are saying that having a guide dog is only for
>>> those who are lucky enough to have lots of money.  Well, that is not the
>>> case for many of us.  We all know the unemployment and low wages for the
>>> blind.  I am a retired senior with additional disabilities in addition to
>>> blindness.  After rent and utilities there isn't much left so I have to do
>>> my best to find affordable products for myself, my home and my guide dog.  I
>>> suggest to anyone getting a new dog that they discuss their dog's diet with
>>> the school and the vet once you have your dog home.  I did this and the
>>> school and my vet said that Purina products are of good quality and suitable
>>> for a working dog.  I always discuss the dog food choices with my vet at
>>> every visit just in case we want to make a change.  It is possible to feed a
>>> guide dog on a very low budget.  Of course the other concern for those of us
>>> with limited income is the high cost of heartworm, flea prevention,
>>> vaccinations and vet care.  It is too bad there is not any financial
>>> assistance to help low income guide dog handlers with these expenses. 
>>> Please do not discourage anyone from applying for a guide dog just because
>>> they are living on a very limited income
>>> 
>>> Sandra Johnson
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:17 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>> 
>>> Peter, sometimes people simply can't do what you are suggesting, so we are
>>> looking for inexpensive dogfoods here that people can afford. Dogs can
>>> thrive on these foods; some will become ill anyway, so I think we need to
>>> continue helping the person find the inexpensive dogfoods that she needs in
>>> order to have a dog right now. Maybe one day she can afford more.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:22 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> After losing a cat to diabetes years ago and tracing it to carb content in
>>> food, we learned about commercial food. - Now we bite the bullet and spend
>>> the money on super high end dog food.  Organic, clean and multi source
>>> protein.  A lot of money.  Raw chicken, raw other meats, and a bowl out of
>>> Origen or Acana.  A big bag is w-a-y more than commercial brands.  But we
>>> believe from our research In the long run, we may spend the same amount of
>>> money on food for life, as we might on horrific vet bills for a prematurely
>>> ill or dying dog.  Think about it.  We really think it is worth it.  Perhaps
>>> consider at least cutting commercial food with healthier stuff if it is all
>>> you can afford.  Check out Dr. Becker's online vet commentaries.  Hey she
>>> has too much to day like Dr. Mercola does for humans; both can be a little
>>> alarmist sometimes.  But they generally have excellent information with
>>> longevity as the main interest.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Peter
>>> 
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>> 2. Re: economical dog food (Aleeha Dudley)
>>>> 3. Re: economical dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>> 4. Re: economical dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 5. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>> 6. Re: economical dog food (Jody ianuzzi)
>>>> 7. The old goat (d m gina)
>>>> 8. Re: The old goat (Chantel Cuddemi)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:49:51 -0400
>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <6B85FF7E26434B0AA1F967B3F2C411B3 at SLJohnson>
>>>> 
>>>> Julie:
>>>> 
>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>> 
>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about the 
>>>> nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other 
>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and 
>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I asked 
>>>> my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.  The 
>>>> lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found at 
>>>> www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on some 
>>>> of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free shipping if 
>>>> you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your friend.  Having to 
>>>> take care of a guide dog is a real concern for those of us on very low
>>> incomes.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> 
>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>> would be great!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>> dog
>>> home.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:04:40 -0500
>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <49AAF162-EA19-44F6-A115-2613D6A7A9F9 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
>>>> have
>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. There
>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced differently.
>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
>>>> about
>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does extremely
>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
>>>> food,
>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other 
>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and 
>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I 
>>>>> asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.
>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found 
>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on 
>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free 
>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your 
>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for 
>>>>> those
>>> of us on very low incomes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>> would be great!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>>> dog
>>> home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:22:33 -0500
>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <c797dfbd-77c1-ad5e-1caa-0a4ab7947842 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every 
>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>> 
>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>> food
>>> than you
>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:33 -0500
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <02a801d2b926$7f87fcc0$7e97f640$@gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I'm buying Iams Senior on a monthly basis for about $60 for 52 
>>>> pounds, but I guess that's pretty high. At The Seeing Eye once they 
>>>> said that the difference between Purena 1 and one of the other premium 
>>>> Purena dog foods was that the formula was more consistent. Anyway, it 
>>>> is a
>>> hard decision.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie 
>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every 
>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>> 
>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>> food
>>> than you
>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:16:51 -0400
>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <29ED927D0AA74AFCB9CA0A72DA17F10C at SLJohnson>
>>>> 
>>>> Julie:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh my goodness, $70 for 20 pounds.  I am sure there are a lot of us 
>>>> who cannot afford that kind of food.  I just checked the Rural King 
>>>> website www.ruralking.com.  They have the Purina Dog Chow Complete 46 
>>>> pound bag for $19.99.  I do not know what the shipping price would be 
>>>> since I get mine from their store in my area.  They also offer a large 
>>>> selection of other dry dog foods as well as bones and treats.  Believe 
>>>> me without these low prices I could not afford to feed my guide dog 
>>>> either.  Unfortunately rent and utilities keep going way up but the 
>>>> income stays the same.  It is too bad that the guide dog schools do 
>>>> not offer some kind of discount coupons or stipend to help graduates,
>>> especially retired seniors,  on very low incomes.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra  -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:22 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every 
>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>> 
>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>> food
>>> than you
>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:34:09 -0400
>>>> From: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <E86F74B0-EBE4-48E6-BA56-E1D7397A187F at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Truly is a great resource for food and their prices and shipping is great.
>>>> 
>>>> You can also get dog food from Amazon. Pierina pro plan is $39 and 
>>>> Pierina one is $29. Shipping is free
>>>> 
>>>> Jody
>>>> 
>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 50 Years of Star Trek!
>>>> Live Long and Prosper!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
>>>>> have
>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. There
>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced differently.
>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
>>>>> about
>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does extremely
>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
>>>>> food,
>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices 
>>>>>> on
>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used 
>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina 
>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per 
>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed 
>>>>>> expensive foods.  The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog 
>>>>>> Chow are perfectly suitable.  More information about the Purina dry 
>>>>>> foods can be found at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry 
>>>>>> dog foods search on some of the other dog food websites.  Some 
>>>>>> companies offer free shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope 
>>>>>> this helps your friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a 
>>>>>> real
>>> concern for those of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>>>> dog
>>> home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:48:58 -0400
>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>> Message-ID: <d29dc475.1d02.4102.b5ba.81d6494b85b5 at samobile.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
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>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>> Have fun.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
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>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
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>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 04:14:50 ?
>>>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CANCNGQJ2N3X_spiUTFAsGMHjH_8hciT????v?@mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>> 
>>>> Have you thought about using the smart collar instead? It's a plastic 
>>>> collar that has points on it. It's a collar that goes higher up on the 
>>>> dogs ears.
>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
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>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:29:52 -0700
>>> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>> Message-ID: <882C221C7063458C8999C6C3E955A348 at JeanLaptop>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>>> 
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>> 
>>> Long time no chat. Hope all is well with you and the pack of goldens.
>>> 
>>> I just looked up "the stuff", and there really is a grooming spray called 
>>> that. Hahahaha. Cool name. A question. Can you spray this on as a 
>>> pregrooming spray as well? Can it stay on the coat, or does it have to be 
>>> rinsd off.
>>> 
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Bryan Gearry via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:35 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry ; Elise Berkley
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>> 
>>> Use "The Stuff".
>>> 
>>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Elise Berkley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>> 
>>>> It has been so long since I posted to the list, and I am truly sorry. 
>>>> School has kept Becky and I very busy. I try to groom her everyday. But, 
>>>> when I do, she still has some of her coat that sticks up. It is the area 
>>>> right under her neck area, going towards her back and tail area. This 
>>>> might be vain, but is there any suggestion as to a grooming spray that 
>>>> will help her coat to lie flat and even? I know, she is a diva in so many 
>>>> ways, and I just want her to look well kept. Thanks, and I look forward to 
>>>> your suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> Elise and Becky, Long Beach, California
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>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:32:18 -0500
>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] :  Affordable dog food
>>> Message-ID: <7a7191cc-bbb2-c902-a6fe-8555a6d2f1c1 at gmail.com>
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>>> Yes, the original dog being discussed will be a guide dog, or at least 
>>> that is the plan.  She will be owner training with my help. So there is 
>>> no school to consult to suggest a food.
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> On 4/21/2017 3:15 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> I am not sure the dog originally being discussed was going to be a guide
>>>> dog, but the discussion could lead to discouragement. Check out companies
>>>> where some of the products are manufactured. Sometimes they offer discounts
>>>> to people with service animals. Also, if a person watches for sales it would
>>>> be possible to get the food or whatever cheaper. Probably not so much the
>>>> medicines.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:03 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for pointing out the fact that not all blind people can afford the
>>>> high end dog foods.  However we do want our dogs to be as healthy as
>>>> possible.  Sometimes on this list it feels like people are saying if we do
>>>> not feed these high quality foods we are not taking good care of our dogs.
>>>> It feels like some of you are saying that having a guide dog is only for
>>>> those who are lucky enough to have lots of money.  Well, that is not the
>>>> case for many of us.  We all know the unemployment and low wages for the
>>>> blind.  I am a retired senior with additional disabilities in addition to
>>>> blindness.  After rent and utilities there isn't much left so I have to do
>>>> my best to find affordable products for myself, my home and my guide dog.  I
>>>> suggest to anyone getting a new dog that they discuss their dog's diet with
>>>> the school and the vet once you have your dog home.  I did this and the
>>>> school and my vet said that Purina products are of good quality and suitable
>>>> for a working dog.  I always discuss the dog food choices with my vet at
>>>> every visit just in case we want to make a change.  It is possible to feed a
>>>> guide dog on a very low budget.  Of course the other concern for those of us
>>>> with limited income is the high cost of heartworm, flea prevention,
>>>> vaccinations and vet care.  It is too bad there is not any financial
>>>> assistance to help low income guide dog handlers with these expenses.
>>>> Please do not discourage anyone from applying for a guide dog just because
>>>> they are living on a very limited income
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:17 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Peter, sometimes people simply can't do what you are suggesting, so we are
>>>> looking for inexpensive dogfoods here that people can afford. Dogs can
>>>> thrive on these foods; some will become ill anyway, so I think we need to
>>>> continue helping the person find the inexpensive dogfoods that she needs in
>>>> order to have a dog right now. Maybe one day she can afford more.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:22 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> After losing a cat to diabetes years ago and tracing it to carb content in
>>>> food, we learned about commercial food. - Now we bite the bullet and spend
>>>> the money on super high end dog food.  Organic, clean and multi source
>>>> protein.  A lot of money.  Raw chicken, raw other meats, and a bowl out of
>>>> Origen or Acana.  A big bag is w-a-y more than commercial brands.  But we
>>>> believe from our research In the long run, we may spend the same amount of
>>>> money on food for life, as we might on horrific vet bills for a prematurely
>>>> ill or dying dog.  Think about it.  We really think it is worth it.  Perhaps
>>>> consider at least cutting commercial food with healthier stuff if it is all
>>>> you can afford.  Check out Dr. Becker's online vet commentaries.  Hey she
>>>> has too much to day like Dr. Mercola does for humans; both can be a little
>>>> alarmist sometimes.  But they generally have excellent information with
>>>> longevity as the main interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>> 2. Re: economical dog food (Aleeha Dudley)
>>>>> 3. Re: economical dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>>> 4. Re: economical dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 5. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>> 6. Re: economical dog food (Jody ianuzzi)
>>>>> 7. The old goat (d m gina)
>>>>> 8. Re: The old goat (Chantel Cuddemi)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:49:51 -0400
>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <6B85FF7E26434B0AA1F967B3F2C411B3 at SLJohnson>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about the
>>>>> nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other
>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and
>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I asked
>>>>> my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.  The
>>>>> lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly
>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found at
>>>>> www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on some
>>>>> of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free shipping if
>>>>> you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your friend.  Having to
>>>>> take care of a guide dog is a real concern for those of us on very low
>>>> incomes.
>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>> would be great!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the
>>>>> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:04:40 -0500
>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <49AAF162-EA19-44F6-A115-2613D6A7A9F9 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not
>>>>> have
>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. There
>>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced differently.
>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well,
>>>>> about
>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does extremely
>>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good
>>>>> food,
>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about
>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other
>>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and
>>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I
>>>>>> asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.
>>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly
>>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found
>>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on
>>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free
>>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your
>>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for
>>>>>> those
>>>> of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the
>>>>>> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:22:33 -0500
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <c797dfbd-77c1-ad5e-1caa-0a4ab7947842 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog
>>>>> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <02a801d2b926$7f87fcc0$7e97f640$@gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I'm buying Iams Senior on a monthly basis for about $60 for 52
>>>>> pounds, but I guess that's pretty high. At The Seeing Eye once they
>>>>> said that the difference between Purena 1 and one of the other premium
>>>>> Purena dog foods was that the formula was more consistent. Anyway, it
>>>>> is a
>>>> hard decision.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog
>>>>> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:16:51 -0400
>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <29ED927D0AA74AFCB9CA0A72DA17F10C at SLJohnson>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh my goodness, $70 for 20 pounds.  I am sure there are a lot of us
>>>>> who cannot afford that kind of food.  I just checked the Rural King
>>>>> website www.ruralking.com.  They have the Purina Dog Chow Complete 46
>>>>> pound bag for $19.99.  I do not know what the shipping price would be
>>>>> since I get mine from their store in my area.  They also offer a large
>>>>> selection of other dry dog foods as well as bones and treats.  Believe
>>>>> me without these low prices I could not afford to feed my guide dog
>>>>> either.  Unfortunately rent and utilities keep going way up but the
>>>>> income stays the same.  It is too bad that the guide dog schools do
>>>>> not offer some kind of discount coupons or stipend to help graduates,
>>>> especially retired seniors,  on very low incomes.
>>>>> Sandra  -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:22 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog
>>>>> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:34:09 -0400
>>>>> From: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <E86F74B0-EBE4-48E6-BA56-E1D7397A187F at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Truly is a great resource for food and their prices and shipping is great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can also get dog food from Amazon. Pierina pro plan is $39 and
>>>>> Pierina one is $29. Shipping is free
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jody
>>>>> 
>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 50 Years of Star Trek!
>>>>> Live Long and Prosper!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not
>>>>>> have
>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. There
>>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced differently.
>>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well,
>>>>>> about
>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does extremely
>>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good
>>>>>> food,
>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices
>>>>>>> on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about
>>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used
>>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina
>>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per
>>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed
>>>>>>> expensive foods.  The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog
>>>>>>> Chow are perfectly suitable.  More information about the Purina dry
>>>>>>> foods can be found at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry
>>>>>>> dog foods search on some of the other dog food websites.  Some
>>>>>>> companies offer free shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope
>>>>>>> this helps your friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a
>>>>>>> real
>>>> concern for those of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the
>>>>>>> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:48:58 -0400
>>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>> Message-ID: <d29dc475.1d02.4102.b5ba.81d6494b85b5 at samobile.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 04:14:50 ?
>>>>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CANCNGQJ2N3X_spiUTFAsGMHjH_8hciT????v?@mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you thought about using the smart collar instead? It's a plastic
>>>>> collar that has points on it. It's a collar that goes higher up on the
>>>>> dogs ears.
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>> 
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:39:30 -0500
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] :  Affordable dog food
>>> Message-ID: <005501d2badf$60a5fd10$21f1f730$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Oh, Julie, I am sorry. I had forgotten that you had said the dog will be a
>>> guide. My bad. Even so, I say we want to be careful about the possibility of
>>> discouraging someone from getting a guide dog or from training their own.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmaikl.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:32 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] : Affordable dog food
>>> 
>>> Yes, the original dog being discussed will be a guide dog, or at least that
>>> is the plan.  She will be owner training with my help. So there is no school
>>> to consult to suggest a food.
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> On 4/21/2017 3:15 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> I am not sure the dog originally being discussed was going to be a 
>>>> guide dog, but the discussion could lead to discouragement. Check out 
>>>> companies where some of the products are manufactured. Sometimes they 
>>>> offer discounts to people with service animals. Also, if a person 
>>>> watches for sales it would be possible to get the food or whatever 
>>>> cheaper. Probably not so much the medicines.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson 
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:03 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for pointing out the fact that not all blind people can afford 
>>>> the high end dog foods.  However we do want our dogs to be as healthy 
>>>> as possible.  Sometimes on this list it feels like people are saying 
>>>> if we do not feed these high quality foods we are not taking good care of
>>> our dogs.
>>>> It feels like some of you are saying that having a guide dog is only 
>>>> for those who are lucky enough to have lots of money.  Well, that is 
>>>> not the case for many of us.  We all know the unemployment and low 
>>>> wages for the blind.  I am a retired senior with additional 
>>>> disabilities in addition to blindness.  After rent and utilities there 
>>>> isn't much left so I have to do my best to find affordable products 
>>>> for myself, my home and my guide dog.  I suggest to anyone getting a 
>>>> new dog that they discuss their dog's diet with the school and the vet 
>>>> once you have your dog home.  I did this and the school and my vet 
>>>> said that Purina products are of good quality and suitable for a 
>>>> working dog.  I always discuss the dog food choices with my vet at 
>>>> every visit just in case we want to make a change.  It is possible to 
>>>> feed a guide dog on a very low budget.  Of course the other concern 
>>>> for those of us with limited income is the high cost of heartworm, 
>>>> flea prevention, vaccinations and vet care.  It is too bad there is not
>>> any financial assistance to help low income guide dog handlers with these
>>> expenses.
>>>> Please do not discourage anyone from applying for a guide dog just 
>>>> because they are living on a very limited income
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:17 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Peter, sometimes people simply can't do what you are suggesting, so we 
>>>> are looking for inexpensive dogfoods here that people can afford. Dogs 
>>>> can thrive on these foods; some will become ill anyway, so I think we 
>>>> need to continue helping the person find the inexpensive dogfoods that 
>>>> she needs in order to have a dog right now. Maybe one day she can afford
>>> more.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf 
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:22 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> After losing a cat to diabetes years ago and tracing it to carb 
>>>> content in food, we learned about commercial food. - Now we bite the 
>>>> bullet and spend the money on super high end dog food.  Organic, clean 
>>>> and multi source protein.  A lot of money.  Raw chicken, raw other 
>>>> meats, and a bowl out of Origen or Acana.  A big bag is w-a-y more 
>>>> than commercial brands.  But we believe from our research In the long 
>>>> run, we may spend the same amount of money on food for life, as we 
>>>> might on horrific vet bills for a prematurely ill or dying dog.  Think 
>>>> about it.  We really think it is worth it.  Perhaps consider at least 
>>>> cutting commercial food with healthier stuff if it is all you can 
>>>> afford.  Check out Dr. Becker's online vet commentaries.  Hey she has 
>>>> too much to day like Dr. Mercola does for humans; both can be a little 
>>>> alarmist sometimes.  But they generally have excellent information with
>>> longevity as the main interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>> 
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>> 2. Re: economical dog food (Aleeha Dudley)
>>>>> 3. Re: economical dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>>> 4. Re: economical dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 5. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>> 6. Re: economical dog food (Jody ianuzzi)
>>>>> 7. The old goat (d m gina)
>>>>> 8. Re: The old goat (Chantel Cuddemi)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> -
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:49:51 -0400
>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <6B85FF7E26434B0AA1F967B3F2C411B3 at SLJohnson>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other 
>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and 
>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I 
>>>>> asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.  
>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found 
>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on 
>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free 
>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your 
>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for 
>>>>> those of us on very low
>>>> incomes.
>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>> would be great!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>>> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:04:40 -0500
>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <49AAF162-EA19-44F6-A115-2613D6A7A9F9 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
>>>>> have
>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. 
>>>> There are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
>>> differently.
>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
>>>>> about
>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I 
>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does 
>>>> extremely well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
>>>>> food,
>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices 
>>>>>> on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used 
>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina 
>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per 
>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive
>>> foods.
>>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
>>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found 
>>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on 
>>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free 
>>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your 
>>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for 
>>>>>> those
>>>> of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>>>> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:22:33 -0500
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <c797dfbd-77c1-ad5e-1caa-0a4ab7947842 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at 
>>>>> every bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
>>> term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>>> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <02a801d2b926$7f87fcc0$7e97f640$@gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I'm buying Iams Senior on a monthly basis for about $60 for 52 
>>>>> pounds, but I guess that's pretty high. At The Seeing Eye once they 
>>>>> said that the difference between Purena 1 and one of the other 
>>>>> premium Purena dog foods was that the formula was more consistent. 
>>>>> Anyway, it is a
>>>> hard decision.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie 
>>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at 
>>>>> every bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
>>> term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>>> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
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>>>>> o
>>>>> m
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:16:51 -0400
>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <29ED927D0AA74AFCB9CA0A72DA17F10C at SLJohnson>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh my goodness, $70 for 20 pounds.  I am sure there are a lot of us 
>>>>> who cannot afford that kind of food.  I just checked the Rural King 
>>>>> website www.ruralking.com.  They have the Purina Dog Chow Complete 46 
>>>>> pound bag for $19.99.  I do not know what the shipping price would be 
>>>>> since I get mine from their store in my area.  They also offer a 
>>>>> large selection of other dry dog foods as well as bones and treats.  
>>>>> Believe me without these low prices I could not afford to feed my 
>>>>> guide dog either.  Unfortunately rent and utilities keep going way up 
>>>>> but the income stays the same.  It is too bad that the guide dog 
>>>>> schools do not offer some kind of discount coupons or stipend to help 
>>>>> graduates,
>>>> especially retired seniors,  on very low incomes.
>>>>> Sandra  -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:22 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at 
>>>>> every bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
>>> term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>>> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
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>>>>> st.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:34:09 -0400
>>>>> From: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <E86F74B0-EBE4-48E6-BA56-E1D7397A187F at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Truly is a great resource for food and their prices and shipping is
>>> great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can also get dog food from Amazon. Pierina pro plan is $39 and 
>>>>> Pierina one is $29. Shipping is free
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jody
>>>>> 
>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 50 Years of Star Trek!
>>>>> Live Long and Prosper!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
>>>>>> have
>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. 
>>>> There are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
>>> differently.
>>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
>>>>>> about
>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I 
>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does 
>>>> extremely well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
>>>>>> food,
>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU 
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In 
>>>>>>> grocery and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The 
>>>>>>> most economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices 
>>>>>>> on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used 
>>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina 
>>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per 
>>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed 
>>>>>>> expensive foods.  The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog 
>>>>>>> Chow are perfectly suitable.  More information about the Purina dry 
>>>>>>> foods can be found at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry 
>>>>>>> dog foods search on some of the other dog food websites.  Some 
>>>>>>> companies offer free shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope 
>>>>>>> this helps your friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a 
>>>>>>> real
>>>> concern for those of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is 
>>>>>>> a bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing 
>>>>>>> the dog
>>>> home.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:48:58 -0400
>>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>> Message-ID: <d29dc475.1d02.4102.b5ba.81d6494b85b5 at samobile.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 04:14:50 ?
>>>>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CANCNGQJ2N3X_spiUTFAsGMHjH_8hciT????v?@mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you thought about using the smart collar instead? It's a plastic 
>>>>> collar that has points on it. It's a collar that goes higher up on 
>>>>> the dogs ears.
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM d m gina via NAGDU 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>> 
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>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:51:20 -0500
>>> From: "Charlene Ota" <caota4 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
>>> Message-ID: <04c601d2bafa$2e064980$8a12dc80$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Great idea, Becky. I was thinking it, suggesting Dani just put Peg's harness
>>> on and go, but sometimes things just sound to simple. The paratransit people
>>> don't necessarily know that Peg is retired and if she's anything at all like
>>> my boy, when the day comes that he has to be retired, he'd probably be
>>> thrilled to have his harness back on for a little trip like that where he
>>> wouldn't really have to do a lot of guide work. You might give that a
>>> thought, Dani.
>>> 
>>> Charlene
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
>>> Frankeberger via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:04 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
>>> 
>>> Dani, I did the same thing here and asked transit to take my retired guide
>>> dog to the vet. They said fine as we have a long history of working with
>>> them on committees and such. I was talking to someone and boy did I get an
>>> ear full. I shall clean it up, lol. They said well did Baxter forget how to
>>> guide. I said no of course not. They said then it is none of their business
>>> why you are taking two guide dogs with you on the bus. 
>>> 
>>> Dani, I am not the brightest bulb, but that made more sense to me then I
>>> first grasped. There are certainly people who work two service dogs to
>>> mitigate different disabilities. Jake was young and frankly board to death
>>> when we shopped. Baxter who loves to shop would guide me fine in any store
>>> mall whatever, he just couldn't do the street work Jake was so incredible
>>> doing.
>>> 
>>> So anyway, I put harnesses on both of them and off to the vet we went on
>>> transit. 
>>> 
>>> Dani, I have several articles on aging dogs if you are interested.
>>> 
>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> Warmly,
>>> Becky and twelve year old Jake,  
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:01 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
>>> 
>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>> Because Peggy is retired, the Paratransit customer service says I have to
>>> put her in a kennel to transport her. I don't want to have her go through
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> I have a friend who I pay to help take us to the vet when she needs to go
>>> for vaccinations, or if something comes up that I can't take care of myself.
>>> 
>>> Especially now, with the anxiety thing going on, I don't want to add
>>> anything.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dani
>>> 
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>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 01:12:05 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Afton roy anne Harper <aftonroyanneharper at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>> Message-ID: <226864627.790860.1492823525596 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone. Afton here.?
>>> I like to use a couple drops of alpha keri oil mixed with water in a water bottle. I normally spray it on right before I brush him. That's what LeaderDogs had suggested and I am pretty satisfied,?
>>> I also have been using coconut oil to soften his fur. I hate coconuts so much, but it's so healthy. It's also great for your skin and hair and of course you can cook with it. (Don't do these things all at once! Haha).?
>>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>> -Afton Harper 
>>> 
>>>  On Friday, April 21, 2017 3:31 PM, Jean Menzies via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>> 
>>> Long time no chat. Hope all is well with you and the pack of goldens.
>>> 
>>> I just looked up "the stuff", and there really is a grooming spray called 
>>> that. Hahahaha. Cool name. A question. Can you spray this on as a 
>>> pregrooming spray as well? Can it stay on the coat, or does it have to be 
>>> rinsd off.
>>> 
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Bryan Gearry via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:35 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry ; Elise Berkley
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>> 
>>> Use "The Stuff".
>>> 
>>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Elise Berkley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>> 
>>>> It has been so long since I posted to the list, and I am truly sorry. 
>>>> School has kept Becky and I very busy. I try to groom her everyday. But, 
>>>> when I do, she still has some of her coat that sticks up. It is the area 
>>>> right under her neck area, going towards her back and tail area. This 
>>>> might be vain, but is there any suggestion as to a grooming spray that 
>>>> will help her coat to lie flat and even? I know, she is a diva in so many 
>>>> ways, and I just want her to look well kept. Thanks, and I look forward to 
>>>> your suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> Elise and Becky, Long Beach, California
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>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 01:12:05 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Afton roy anne Harper <aftonroyanneharper at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
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>>> 
>>> Hi everyone. Afton here.?
>>> I like to use a couple drops of alpha keri oil mixed with water in a water bottle. I normally spray it on right before I brush him. That's what LeaderDogs had suggested and I am pretty satisfied,?
>>> I also have been using coconut oil to soften his fur. I hate coconuts so much, but it's so healthy. It's also great for your skin and hair and of course you can cook with it. (Don't do these things all at once! Haha).?
>>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>> -Afton Harper 
>>> 
>>>  On Friday, April 21, 2017 3:31 PM, Jean Menzies via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>> 
>>> Long time no chat. Hope all is well with you and the pack of goldens.
>>> 
>>> I just looked up "the stuff", and there really is a grooming spray called 
>>> that. Hahahaha. Cool name. A question. Can you spray this on as a 
>>> pregrooming spray as well? Can it stay on the coat, or does it have to be 
>>> rinsd off.
>>> 
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Bryan Gearry via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:35 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry ; Elise Berkley
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>> 
>>> Use "The Stuff".
>>> 
>>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Elise Berkley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>> 
>>>> It has been so long since I posted to the list, and I am truly sorry. 
>>>> School has kept Becky and I very busy. I try to groom her everyday. But, 
>>>> when I do, she still has some of her coat that sticks up. It is the area 
>>>> right under her neck area, going towards her back and tail area. This 
>>>> might be vain, but is there any suggestion as to a grooming spray that 
>>>> will help her coat to lie flat and even? I know, she is a diva in so many 
>>>> ways, and I just want her to look well kept. Thanks, and I look forward to 
>>>> your suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> Elise and Becky, Long Beach, California
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>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 01:12:05 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Afton roy anne Harper <aftonroyanneharper at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>> Message-ID: <226864627.790860.1492823525596 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone. Afton here.?
>>> I like to use a couple drops of alpha keri oil mixed with water in a water bottle. I normally spray it on right before I brush him. That's what LeaderDogs had suggested and I am pretty satisfied,?
>>> I also have been using coconut oil to soften his fur. I hate coconuts so much, but it's so healthy. It's also great for your skin and hair and of course you can cook with it. (Don't do these things all at once! Haha).?
>>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>> -Afton Harper 
>>> 
>>>  On Friday, April 21, 2017 3:31 PM, Jean Menzies via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>> 
>>> Long time no chat. Hope all is well with you and the pack of goldens.
>>> 
>>> I just looked up "the stuff", and there really is a grooming spray called 
>>> that. Hahahaha. Cool name. A question. Can you spray this on as a 
>>> pregrooming spray as well? Can it stay on the coat, or does it have to be 
>>> rinsd off.
>>> 
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Bryan Gearry via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:35 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry ; Elise Berkley
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>> 
>>> Use "The Stuff".
>>> 
>>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Elise Berkley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>> 
>>>> It has been so long since I posted to the list, and I am truly sorry. 
>>>> School has kept Becky and I very busy. I try to groom her everyday. But, 
>>>> when I do, she still has some of her coat that sticks up. It is the area 
>>>> right under her neck area, going towards her back and tail area. This 
>>>> might be vain, but is there any suggestion as to a grooming spray that 
>>>> will help her coat to lie flat and even? I know, she is a diva in so many 
>>>> ways, and I just want her to look well kept. Thanks, and I look forward to 
>>>> your suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> Elise and Becky, Long Beach, California
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>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 21:48:41 -0500
>>> From: Shanna Stichler <slstich at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OK, i chose!
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>>> 
>>> I spayed my female GSD, who is now my working guide, at around 10 
>>> months. I waited as long as I could without risking that she'd go into 
>>> season. If I'd gotten a male, I'd have waited till at least 18 months.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also re conventions, an 8-month-old puppy will not be able to guide in 
>>> that setting. Probably, she won't be quite finished with public access 
>>> work, let alone task training. Please think carefully before bringing an 
>>> adolescent puppy into an environment which can be stressful for seasoned 
>>> guides. Dogs, especially breeds like Shepherds and Dobies, that tend to 
>>> have a bit of natural suspicion bred into them, tend to be very 
>>> impressionable at that age. If your pup had a negative experience at 
>>> convention, it may be difficult for her to recover from that. If you do 
>>> take her, bring a cane and do not expect her to guide you. I didn't 
>>> begin task training my dog, who is a total over-achiever, until 9 months 
>>> old, and she didn't work any conferences or unusually chaotic events 
>>> until 16 months of age.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Shanna Stichler, PHD, GDMI, IACP #7565
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/9/2017 11:17 AM, Vivianna via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> i am glad to know that the schools are waiting now.  back in the 90?s they were altering really early.  at least some of them.
>>>> i have been reading and i find everything from, over 3 months to 3 years.  but, no way do i want an intact girl working.  that would not be so good.  heh.  talk about dog distractions.
>>>> the contract does not state when i have to have her spayed.
>>>> hmmmm, she will be 8 months old in july, right during convention.  is it worth waiting and hoping she doesn?t go into heat?  i guess it can be very messy and i am certain it would be no fun in a hotel room.  and, just imagine,  with all those guide dogs there.  nope, not for me.
>>>> i guess, technically, i could wait until june.  do you folks think that would make that much of a difference?
>>>> The vet has no problems spaying her now.  but, i don?t want to end up with a dog that didn?t grow right or has urine leakage problems.  she is already around 40-45 pounds.
>>>> i?m thinking she will need to wear a cone for about 10 days right?
>>>> 
>>>> Vivianna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy, The thinking now is to wait until the growth plates are fully formed, so just about age two. But Vivianna might not have a choice as breeders are weird characters and may demand early spade as part of the contract.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Remember in the bad old days, schools were spade and neuter pups at three months. They learned this is not good practice, but should only be done in very extreme cases. I knew a puppy raiser who asked to have her little male labby neutered as he was making a mess in her home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I put that article about the growth plates on this list maybe last year. It should be in the archives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Becky and the snoozing prince Jake
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 6:23 AM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OK, i chose!
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, six months usually is when they can spay.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did Vivianna mean 25 inches?
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:09 AM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OK, i chose!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Congratulations, Vivianna.  What will you call her?  Are you sticking with the name NTG?
>>>>> I thought pups should be a year old before they're spayed?
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Vivianna
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] OK, i chose!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, i thought and thought.  I talked and talked.
>>>>> and, i decided to go with NTG.  no tail girl.
>>>>> I really liked the boy but, i am afraid he will just be to big.  his paws, at 5 months old, are twice the size of my 90 pound german shepherd and, the stance of those dogs is very wide.  i was afraid that he wouldn?t even be physically able to lay down on the back seat floor of an uber.  lol.
>>>>> she will be spayed next week and come home when she can be taken out of the cone.  poor girlie.
>>>>> the breeder thinks that she will be over 525 inches when she grows up and, that?s one big girl dog.
>>>>> so, now it?s time to buy puppy chew stuff and comfortable beds.  lol.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take care;
>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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