[NAGDU] Uber/Chaim

Thu May 11 00:17:59 UTC 2017

I nearly forgot.

If you have a refusal, be sure to let Tim Elder know as well as filing your report:
telder at trelegal.com

And fill out the NFB service animal survey.

--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: 814-860-3194 
Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: buddy at brannan.name

> On May 10, 2017, at 7:25 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Well, I personally have seen little difference, and people have had problems
> with both services. Here people drive for both, and that is probably true
> other places, too, and we have this agreement we are working on. I hope the
> driver does get his just reward.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:39 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Uber/Chaim
> 
> Chaim,
> 
> Uber's number comes up as 800-353-8237
> 
> I switched to Lyft, love them.  And I once had this problem with one of
> their drivers.  They jumped all over it.  I use Lyft.  
> 
> On May 10, 2017, at 12:31 PM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>>  1. Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber Drier
>>     (chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com)
>>  2. Re: Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber Drier
>>     (Buddy Brannan)
>>  3. Re: Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber Drier
>>     (David)
>>  4. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10 (Peter Wolf)
>>  5. Re: Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber Drier
>>     (Marianne Denning)
>>  6. Re: How I got contact information was Please! I need
>>     instructional Help Reporting An Uber Driver (Cindy Ray)
>>  7. Service dog in Japan (Peter Wolf)
>>  8. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10 (Cindy Ray)
>>  9. Thanks! (chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com)
>> 10. Re: Service dog in Japan (Cindy Ray)
>> 11. Re: Service dog in Japan (Heather Bird)
>> 12. Re: Thanks! (Cindy Ray)
>> 13. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 33 (Peter Wolf)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 11:45:37 -0400
>> From: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org,	oagdu at nfbnet.org,	seeing-eye at googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber
>> 	Drier
>> Message-ID: <20170510154537.chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>> 
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the
> lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a while.
>> 
>> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's
> office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I still have
> a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, whose name was not
> familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said he was arriving. I tried to
> call him and first he did not answer and it seems next he turned off his
> phone. The app told me to call for another driver, which I did.
> Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of this, and
> really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I should nip this one
> in the bud and report it immediately. I just visited help.uber.com, and am
> having a hard time figuring out how to maneuver around there. I see a link
> for "Dayton", then one for "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There is a
> question of "How we can help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in my
> query, and I saw some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a "Next
> or "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It seems
> that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
>> 
>> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought up my
> past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. I dictated a
> report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button says "dimmed." I
> wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in question who canceled did
> so. 
>> 
>> Where do I go from here?
>> 
>> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and phone
> calls. My cell phone number is:
>> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Happy Spring everybody!
>> 
>> Chaim 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 12:01:38 -0400
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An
>> 	Uber Drier
>> Message-ID: <F966B26A-BE40-45F4-BC98-BA884193C92F at brannan.name>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Umm. Kinda hard to reply to you when you don't give your email address
> anywhere in your email.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I haven't filed a report from the web. However, you did
> it correctly on the app. 
>> 
>> There are two edit fields on the app. In the first one, give the driver's
> name and approximate time of the trip. On the second, put in your report.
>> 
>> Here's the problem. The app doesn't give you very much space, nor does it
> tell you how many characters you have or how many you're over. The reason
> the submit button was dimmed was because you typed too much. Make your
> report very brief, and then elaborate when they email you back. 
>> 
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: 814-860-3194 
>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Chaim B. Segal via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All:
>>> 
>>> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the
> lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a while.
>>> 
>>> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's
> office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I still have
> a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, whose name was not
> familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said he was arriving. I tried to
> call him and first he did not answer and it seems next he turned off his
> phone. The app told me to call for another driver, which I did.
> Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of this, and
> really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I should nip this one
> in the bud and report it immediately. I just visited help.uber.com, and am
> having a hard time figuring out how to maneuver around there. I see a link
> for "Dayton", then one for "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There is a
> question of "How we can help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in my
> query, and I saw some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a "Next
> or "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It seems
> that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
>>> 
>>> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought up my
> past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. I dictated a
> report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button says "dimmed." I
> wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in question who canceled did
> so. 
>>> 
>>> Where do I go from here?
>>> 
>>> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and phone
> calls. My cell phone number is:
>>> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Happy Spring everybody!
>>> 
>>> Chaim 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:37:47 -0400
>> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
>> To: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,	"chaim B. Segal"
>> 	<chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An
>> 	Uber Drier
>> Message-ID: <8e6688b5-5d14-0418-3b40-20da380a4dcd at bakerinet.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> 
>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>> 
>> On 5/10/2017 12:01 PM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Umm. Kinda hard to reply to you when you don't give your email address
> anywhere in your email.
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I haven't filed a report from the web. However, you
> did it correctly on the app.
>>> 
>>> There are two edit fields on the app. In the first one, give the driver's
> name and approximate time of the trip. On the second, put in your report.
>>> 
>>> Here's the problem. The app doesn't give you very much space, nor does it
> tell you how many characters you have or how many you're over. The reason
> the submit button was dimmed was because you typed too much. Make your
> report very brief, and then elaborate when they email you back.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Chaim B. Segal via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All:
>>>> 
>>>> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the
> lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a while.
>>>> 
>>>> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's
> office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I still have
> a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, whose name was not
> familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said he was arriving. I tried to
> call him and first he did not answer and it seems next he turned off his
> phone. The app told me to call for another driver, which I did.
> Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of this, and
> really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I should nip this one
> in the bud and report it immediately. I just visited help.uber.com, and am
> having a hard time figuring out how to maneuver around there. I see a link
> for "Dayton", then one for "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There is a
> question of "How we can help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in my
> query, and I saw some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a "Next
> or "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It seems
> that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
>>>> 
>>>> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought up my
> past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. I dictated a
> report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button says "dimmed." I
> wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in question who canceled did
> so.
>>>> 
>>>> Where do I go from here?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and phone
> calls. My cell phone number is:
>>>> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Happy Spring everybody!
>>>> 
>>>> Chaim
>>>> 
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 12:16:43 -0700
>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10
>> Message-ID: <0E64E1D9-D9FC-4680-851B-D34DAF9BB4FE at wolfskills.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>> 
>> A pool area is like any other terrain.  It?s about training.  Metuka
> settles in when I swim.  I just clip her leash to a chair or object, put a
> towel down for her, and down she goes.  Enjoy yourself!
>> Peter
>> On May 10, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>> 1. Re: Have a question (NAGDU President)
>>> 2. Re: Have a question (Cindy Ray)
>>> 3. Re: Have a question (Danielle Sykora)
>>> 4. Re: Have a question (David)
>>> 5. Re: Have a question (Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU)
>>> 6. Re: Have a question (Gary Steeves)
>>> 7. Re: Have a question (Jordan Gallacher)
>>> 8. Re: Have a question (Aleeha Dudley)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:55:35 -0400
>>> From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <000001d2c8c3$8d8b9a00$a8a2ce00$@verizon.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Ricky,
>>> 
>>> 	You ask a very good question. According to the Americans with
>>> Disabilities Act, the pool is a place of public accommodation. Covered
>>> entities must modify their policies, practices, and procedures to allow
>>> individuals accompanied by service animals the same access as others.
> This
>>> means that, even though there may be a "No Petss" policy, they are
> required
>>> by law to modify this policy so as to provide you the same access. Since
> the
>>> modification of policies, practices, and procedures are required by law
> and
>>> they cannot refuse or limit your access, there is no need to give any
> sort
>>> of advance notice. You are not required to ask permission, or provide any
>>> sort of documentation that your dog is a service dog. Your dog is not
>>> allowed to go into the pool, though, as health department regulations
>>> prohibit this and the implementing regulations of the ADA would likely
>>> consider this a direct threat.
>>> 
>>> 	Individuals differ on whether or not it is wise to take your dog to
>>> a pool area. Since it is your choice, I would say that, as long as your
> dog
>>> is comfortable, has shade, if needed, go ahead and take it. I have taken
> my
>>> dog to pools - both public and complex areas - and they have always been
>>> okay. Please let us know how your pup fares!
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>> (813) 626-2789
>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
> people
>>> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what
> holds
>>> you back.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:13 PM
>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: rickyjoecook at comcast.net
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim?
> They
>>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would
> of
>>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or
> is
>>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 07:59:17 -0500
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <002001d2c8c4$11a9eda0$34fdc8e0$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> My biggest concern taking the dog to the pool was people feeding it, and
> one
>>> dog I had took issue with me being in the pool. I think currently I
> wouldn't
>>> do it anymore, though I might under certain circumstances.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raul A.
> Gallegos
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:41 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Raul A. Gallegos <raul at raulgallegos.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hello Ricky, you have every right to take your dog to the pool. So, I
> don't
>>> believe you need to approach anyone about the laws unless it's brought up
>>> first. That being said, I don't think I would take my dog to the pool
> area
>>> even though I can legally do so. If I was constantly wondering if my dog
> is
>>> doing okay, not being bothered, and not feeling uncomfortable, I wouldn't
>>> enjoy myself I don't think.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text:
>>> 832.554.7285
>>> Office: 832.639.4477
>>> Personal Email: raul at raulgallegos.com
>>> Work Email: training at rgats.com
>>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>>> 
>>> "Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be." -
> David
>>> Thornburg
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/2017 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim?
> They
>>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would
> of
>>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or
> is
>>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>> NAGDU:
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>>>> .com
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 09:23:39 -0400
>>> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 	<CAAdv8foGhbQ53+sabx0S+ohoaOq60JmnZivD8w4Y=o4x5HyyLQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> If there is a serious concern of people petting/feeding the dog, you
>>> could try putting the dog in a collapsible crate. Though it isn't
>>> impossible for people to interact with the dog in a crate, there is a
>>> physical barrier between them which makes it a lot more difficult.
>>> 
>>> Danielle and Thai
>>> 
>>> On 5/9/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> My biggest concern taking the dog to the pool was people feeding it, and
>>>> one
>>>> dog I had took issue with me being in the pool. I think currently I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> do it anymore, though I might under certain circumstances.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raul A.
> Gallegos
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:41 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Raul A. Gallegos <raul at raulgallegos.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Ricky, you have every right to take your dog to the pool. So, I
> don't
>>>> believe you need to approach anyone about the laws unless it's brought
> up
>>>> first. That being said, I don't think I would take my dog to the pool
> area
>>>> even though I can legally do so. If I was constantly wondering if my dog
> is
>>>> doing okay, not being bothered, and not feeling uncomfortable, I
> wouldn't
>>>> enjoy myself I don't think.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Raul A. Gallegos
>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text:
>>>> 832.554.7285
>>>> Office: 832.639.4477
>>>> Personal Email: raul at raulgallegos.com
>>>> Work Email: training at rgats.com
>>>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>>>> 
>>>> "Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be." -
> David
>>>> Thornburg
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/8/2017 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I
> can
>>>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim?
> They
>>>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I
> would
>>>> of
>>>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on.
> Or
>>>> is
>>>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the
> community
>>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>>> .com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 09:24:03 -0400
>>> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <7bd3009e-f2c5-3f12-a066-26cc6fad7815 at bakerinet.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> I would think you have the right to have your pup accompany you to the 
>>> pool and you do not have to ask anyone.  To me, the issue would involve 
>>> how my dog handles being on a tie-down.  The precociousness of children 
>>> and the ability of adults to respect Darcy's status might be an issue, 
>>> too, but a harness sign might help with that.  It might give you a 
>>> chance to educate your neighbors.
>>> 
>>> I've never left Claire Rose in the 22 months we've been together, except 
>>> when I've headed into a store with a cane, and then she is in the car 
>>> with my wife.  (Swimming pool supply stores have too many chemicals for 
>>> me to feel comfortable having her with me in them.)  I may have done 
>>> that five or six times. Even in the hospital, she was with me as we 
>>> wandered around on a gurney getting tests.  Since the doors in the 
>>> hallways were so narrow, they just had her hop up on the gurney with 
>>> me.  We did get a lot of funny looks and some cute comments from staff.  
>>> I'm sure the image, her lying beside me with her head on my shoulder, 
>>> must have startled a few folks.
>>> 
>>> While I could trust her alone in the house, I've just never done that.
>>> 
>>> In the event that you are challenged, you can show the ADA rules and/or 
>>> state law.
>>> 
>>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/2017 10:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of
> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is
> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 22:32:55 -0500
>>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <FA349A82-0551-44B4-94C5-F0B8FB593EC5 at nfbtx.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>>> 
>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
> once. I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to
> leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where you
> live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have an
> umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These are just
> my thoughts. Good luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
>>> Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>> 
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would of
> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or is
> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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> NAGDU:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 08:37:49 -0700
>>> From: Gary Steeves <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>,	Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <6EC1FF28-649D-4484-9339-387C8B52B7C9 at shaw.ca>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> 
>>> hi:
>>> 
>>> when I was taking some swimming lessons, or is that adult education :), I
> talked to the pool ahead of time to ask if they. could keep Bogart in their
> office.  usually I found. that the people. working there are dog overs.
> Bogart didn't have problems being left with nice women.  if they had any
> issues they knew where I was.  I'd then use my came to navigate the change
> rooms and get out to the pool.  I don't think Bogart would have suffered
> being on a tie down by the pool while his master was obviously close to
> drowning. :)
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017 8:32:55 PM PDT, Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
>>>> once. I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to
>>>> leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where
>>>> you live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have
>>>> an umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These
>>>> are just my thoughts. Good luck.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
>>>> Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>>> 
>>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55
>>>> + community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I
>>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I
>>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle
>>>> this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something
>>>> for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her
>>>> home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the
>>>> community administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA
>>>> law?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:06:26 -0500
>>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <021801d2c8ee$fa54f890$eefee9b0$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Down here in Louisiana and when I visit my girlfriend in Florida, it is
> just
>>> too hot to let Belto sit in the sun if I am at the pool.  
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stacie Hardy -
>>> NFBHOU via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:33 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
> once.
>>> I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to leave
> my
>>> dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where you live, but
> in
>>> Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have an umbrella or a
> towel
>>> on the ground the dog will still be hot. These are just my thoughts. Good
>>> luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
>>> Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>> 
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim?
> They
>>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would
> of
>>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or
> is
>>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NAGDU:
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>>> m
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:22:59 -0500
>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <6A68201D-C34D-4C54-A475-2755AB4100A2 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> 
>>> Hi all, 
>>> I agree with Jordan. It?s much too hot here in Louisiana for a dog to be
> on tie down at an outdoor pool. The only issue I have with taking a dog to a
> pool is that the law does say that the dog must be under the direct control
> of the handler at all times, which may not apply to a tie down or crate,
> since you cannot immediately reach your dog in a situation that might arise.
> That is one consideration I would make before taking my dog. Someone with
> enough knowledge of the law could argue that the dog is not under direct
> control.
>>> Aleeha and Whitley 
>>>> On May 9, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Down here in Louisiana and when I visit my girlfriend in Florida, it is
> just
>>>> too hot to let Belto sit in the sun if I am at the pool.  
>>>> Jordan
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stacie Hardy
> -
>>>> NFBHOU via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>>> 
>>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
> once.
>>>> I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to leave
> my
>>>> dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where you live,
> but in
>>>> Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have an umbrella or a
> towel
>>>> on the ground the dog will still be hot. These are just my thoughts.
> Good
>>>> luck.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
>>>> Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>>> 
>>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I
> can
>>>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim?
> They
>>>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I
> would of
>>>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on.
> Or is
>>>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the
> community
>>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NAGDU:
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>>>> m
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> com
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> **************************************
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:17:33 -0400
>> From: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An
>> 	Uber Drier
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CANZu-Jit14zKRFfpC=WM=0PyxmWM3oE8BmYY+=h+PeK1xBPnYQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>> Since he gave his phone number I contacted him that way and he has worked
>> it out thanks to Cindy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>>> 
>>> On 5/10/2017 12:01 PM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Umm. Kinda hard to reply to you when you don't give your email address
>>>> anywhere in your email.
>>>> 
>>>> Be that as it may, I haven't filed a report from the web. However, you
>>>> did it correctly on the app.
>>>> 
>>>> There are two edit fields on the app. In the first one, give the
> driver's
>>>> name and approximate time of the trip. On the second, put in your
> report.
>>>> 
>>>> Here's the problem. The app doesn't give you very much space, nor does
> it
>>>> tell you how many characters you have or how many you're over. The
> reason
>>>> the submit button was dimmed was because you typed too much. Make your
>>>> report very brief, and then elaborate when they email you back.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Chaim B. Segal via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the
>>>>> lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a
> while.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's
>>>>> office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I still
> have
>>>>> a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, whose name was
> not
>>>>> familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said he was arriving. I
> tried to
>>>>> call him and first he did not answer and it seems next he turned off
> his
>>>>> phone. The app told me to call for another driver, which I did.
>>>>> Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of this,
> and
>>>>> really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I should nip this
> one
>>>>> in the bud and report it immediately. I just visited help.uber.com, and
>>>>> am having a hard time figuring out how to maneuver around there. I see
> a
>>>>> link for "Dayton", then one for "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There
> is a
>>>>> question of "How we can help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in
> my
>>>>> query, and I saw some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a
> "Next
>>>>> or "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It
> seems
>>>>> that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought up
> my
>>>>> past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. I
> dictated a
>>>>> report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button says "dimmed." I
>>>>> wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in question who canceled
> did
>>>>> so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where do I go from here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and phone
>>>>> calls. My cell phone number is:
>>>>> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Happy Spring everybody!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chaim
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> NAGDU:
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>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> (513) 607-6053
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:21:45 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] How I got contact information was Please! I need
>> 	instructional Help Reporting An Uber Driver
>> Message-ID: <017f01d2c9c2$aa205610$fe610230$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Well, I'm glad he was able to figure it out. I am one of the contact folks
>> for the program I guess, so I did what I thought would be the best thing.
> I
>> was able to get his address by using the reply to all, go to the CC: field
>> and find it. I could then copy and paste it into an address field by way
> of
>> backing out of the reply message and starting a new message. This works
>> almost every time, at least for me.
>> 
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
> Denning
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 2:18 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Please! I need instructional Help Reporting An Uber
>> Drier
>> 
>> Since he gave his phone number I contacted him that way and he has worked
> it
>> out thanks to Cindy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>>> 
>>> On 5/10/2017 12:01 PM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Umm. Kinda hard to reply to you when you don't give your email 
>>>> address anywhere in your email.
>>>> 
>>>> Be that as it may, I haven't filed a report from the web. However, 
>>>> you did it correctly on the app.
>>>> 
>>>> There are two edit fields on the app. In the first one, give the 
>>>> driver's name and approximate time of the trip. On the second, put in
>> your report.
>>>> 
>>>> Here's the problem. The app doesn't give you very much space, nor 
>>>> does it tell you how many characters you have or how many you're 
>>>> over. The reason the submit button was dimmed was because you typed 
>>>> too much. Make your report very brief, and then elaborate when they
> email
>> you back.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Chaim B. Segal via NAGDU 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To begin with, please direct all responses back to me and not to the 
>>>>> lists, because I am currently nomail and expect to be for quite a
> while.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In a nutshell, I called for an Uber to transport me from my doctor's 
>>>>> office to work at approximately 10:26 Local time this morning. I 
>>>>> still have a record of the attempted trip on my phone. The driver, 
>>>>> whose name was not familiar, canceled the trip after my phone said 
>>>>> he was arriving. I tried to call him and first he did not answer and 
>>>>> it seems next he turned off his phone. The app told me to call for
>> another driver, which I did.
>>>>> Unfortunately, I arrived at work later than planned on account of 
>>>>> this, and really should be doing my job now. However, I thought I 
>>>>> should nip this one in the bud and report it immediately. I just 
>>>>> visited help.uber.com, and am having a hard time figuring out how to 
>>>>> maneuver around there. I see a link for "Dayton", then one for 
>>>>> "Riders", and one for "Drivers. There is a question of "How we can 
>>>>> help?" and an edit box of some sort. I typed in my query, and I saw 
>>>>> some choices with a "cancel" button below, but not a "Next or 
>>>>> "submit" button. I am using Internet Explorer as my browser. It seems
>> that Firefox does not work on my fairly new work computer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> While the second driver in question was driving me here, I brought 
>>>>> up my past trips and tried to report what happened through the APP. 
>>>>> I dictated a report, and tried to submit it, but the submit button 
>>>>> says "dimmed." I wonder if it is because Ty, the first driver in 
>>>>> question who canceled did so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where do I go from here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm about to start my job duties. I welcome any direct E-mail and 
>>>>> phone calls. My cell phone number is:
>>>>> 937 231-6119. I wish to hear from someone ASAP.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Happy Spring everybody!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chaim
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 12:22:42 -0700
>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Service dog in Japan
>> Message-ID: <A7B8BA34-6393-4926-A8B9-88BD177BE35B at wolfskills.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>> 
>> We have decided not to go to Japan with service dogs, because aside from
> their requirements, we read  that a traveler must also sign over power of
> attorney for the animal to the authorities upon entry.  My legal understand
> of this means if for any reason, someone whether for wholesome reasons or
> not, decides not to let you have your dog, it?s no longer your dog.  
>> 
>> I?d appreciate comments from someone who understands legality. 
>> Thanks, 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>> On May 8, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>> 1. travelling to Japan revisited (Dan Weiner)
>>> 2. Re: Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa (Danielle Ledet)
>>> 3. Update On My Girl (Dani Pagador)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:07:00 -0400
>>> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] travelling to Japan revisited
>>> Message-ID: <b361c059-9950-4532-353f-073b7ae652d7 at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> Hello, beautiful people and dogs.
>>> 
>>> Dan here.
>>> 
>>> Well I think the subject of guide dogs in Japan and traveling their 
>>> accompanied by a guide dog was dealt with recently.
>>> 
>>> By coincidence I've been in contact with a very energetic, resourceful 
>>> and intelligent  young guy from NYC who wants to maybe study or visit 
>>> there.  He has a guide dog and though I went from 2001 to 2003 my info 
>>> is of course  not up to date. His vet actually seems very knowledgeable 
>>> and had to apparently help another client with a service dog...but I 
>>> thought he might find it useful to speak with someone who has traveled 
>>> there more recently than I.  Anyone who has done this, I seem to 
>>> remember there was one person who had, let me know if you're willing to 
>>> be in touch with this fellow.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apparently it would seem that one additional requirement since my days 
>>> of stomping around there was that if you have a guide dog you must have 
>>> info sent to the Japan guide Dog Association from your school so they 
>>> issue you a temporary guide dog id, the JGDa is a guide dog school, I 
>>> will refrain form making comments on this as I had to deal with the 
>>> beginnings of that process when I wetn there. Suffice it to say that 
>>> they want your school to be affiliated to the International Federation 
>>> of Guide Dog Schools and if not they seem not interested in issuing this 
>>> card.  So, though the Japan restrictions puzzle and annoy me, I do want 
>>> to help this guy if he is determined to have this experience and want 
>>> him to be successful.
>>> 
>>> So anyone wants to talk to him or to me, my email:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'll give out his contact only on request.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Most sincerely,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:19:53 -0600
>>> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 	<CAMxXqEQ_wJOAtOBs_LjZGGBe0m3G8oc9rkdiz1vt8-7wxMRvMg at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Welcome Heather. You will fit right in here. Now all we gotta do is
>>> get Raven Tolliver back talking and we'll have a nice balance!
>>> 
>>> On 5/6/17, margo Downey via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Well, Heather and Ilsa, you all know by now that you can reply and it'll
> go
>>>> everywhere Nagdu people are.  (smile).
>>>> 
>>>> Margo and Isis
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird
> via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:34 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Heather Bird
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>> 
>>>>   Oh, yay! Its a Margo and an Isis. You can be my ghinny pig. I am
>>>> trying to figure out if reply goes to just the sender or to the whole
> list.
>>>> If no one else on list replies to this, then I will know that it went to
>>>> you only. I know some lists require you to hit reply all to get it to
> the
>>>> list, and others have the default of reply going to the whole list.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> PS, Ilsa says "Hey, Isis, tell your mommy not to go donating any more
> money
>>>> to my crazy mom. She dragged me to this silly park and there was this
> nice
>>>> walk we went on, but then she made me do the loop again, and then this
> even
>>>> smaller loop around the pond. She wouldn't let me chew on the ducks or
> the
>>>> geese and there were all of these other rude people running who wouldn't
>>>> let me catch up with them and be first. Maybe if people stop giving my
>>>> mommy money she'll not make me do that again."
>>>> *wagging* "Nah, actually it was really fun, maybe you come walk with us
>>>> next year, just don't try to retrieve the ducks. Rusti says ducks are
> for
>>>> retrieving, but I think they look like more for chewing. You're a
> Labrador,
>>>> well, you're a cross, so you be our tie breaker, are ducks for
> retrieving
>>>> or for chewing? PSST, say chewing, or I'll chew on your ears a little
> when
>>>> I see you at convention. Kidding, sort of." *more wagging*"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/5/2017 10:26 PM, margo Downey via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Hey, Heather, welcome!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The
>>>>> Pawpower Pack via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 4:53 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: The Pawpower Pack
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Heather!
>>>>> Welcome to the list.  I'm Rox, am Deafblind, and my current working
>>>>> service dog is Soleil, a 6 year old yellow lab.  She is owner trained.
>>>>> I also have Laveau, a 10 year old Doberman who still works from time
>>>>> to time, so Soleil can practice staying home alone!  WE also share our
>>>>> home with Mill'E, who is a almost 15 year old golden.  Sometimes
>>>>> Mill'E makes me put the harness on her so she can stand around and
>>>>> feel official but mostly her job is to keep my feet warm.
>>>>> We live in New Orleans where I am an independent contractor doing any
>>>>> number of different things.
>>>>> Hope you enjoy the list!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 5, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Jen via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Heather,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Welcome! My name is Jen. Although I am not a guide dog user, I am
>>>>>> interested in all things guide dog! I look forward to your posts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>>>>> Bird via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 3:26 PM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello. My name is Heather and I have a Seeing Eye dog named Ilsa. She
>>>>>> is a black and tan German Shepherd Dog. She just turned two around
>>>>>> Thanks Giving of 2016. She is my second guide from the Seeing Eye, my
>>>>>> fourth GSD. I have previously had shepherds from Fidelco Guide Dog
>>>>> Foundation.
>>>>>> I am a mother of two boys, who are both visually impaired. My mother
>>>>>> is also blind and also a guide dog handler. My husband and my father
>>>>>> are both sighted. I am a member of NYAGDU, as are my mother and my
>>>>> husband.
>>>>>> I am also the chapter president for our local NFB chapter in
>>>>>> Rochester
>>>>> NY.
>>>>>> Ilsa is very bright, a bit softer than my first TSE shepherd, Frieda,
>>>>>> but just as smart. My husband has an owner-trained psychiatric
>>>>>> service dog, a seven-year-old smooth coat collie named Dante. He is a
>>>>>> sable and he is a very soft, very intuitive sweet dog. My mother has
>>>>>> a black lab named Octane from the Seeing Eye. I have her permission
>>>>>> to disclose this fact and as many of my best guide dog stories
>>>>>> involve both her and my dogs, you may see mention of Octane from time
> to
>>>> time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am also a member of IAADP. I am an attachment parent, student of
>>>>>> social work, stay-at-home mom and a member of API, and LLLI. I am
>>>>>> supportive of owner trainers, handlers of small breed service dogs,
>>>>>> handlers with invisible disabilities. I am a big advocate of informed
>>>>>> choice in guide dog training program selection, and a big proponent
>>>>>> of the rights and responsibilities of all service dog handlers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's the nuts and bolts of me as a handler. Please feel free to ask
>>>>>> if you have any additional questions.
>>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
>>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
>>> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
>>> have been all of these.
>>> George Washington Carver
>>> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 01:32:18 -1000
>>> From: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Update On My Girl
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 	<CA+Lzemt9AS5Wx8wJ4PSUe-A2L_C-0Gz6e2bu=AR5S5NQd_pj1g at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>> Peg was on Deremaxx and her limp seemed more pronounced, she seemed
>>> more anxious, and wasn't right digestively. I asked the doctor what
>>> the other alternative was, and she said I could either go back to
>>> Previcox or try Rimadyl. I opted for the Rimadyl, though she did well
>>> on the Previcox.
>>> 
>>> She's been on the new meds for a week, but her appetite's been sketchy
>>> at best. She threw up Sunday night and Monday morning, and doc put her
>>> on a bland diet. She ate willingly, but I had to make homemade broth
>>> and rice--she wouldn't touch the canned stuff.
>>> 
>>> Her loss of appetite started Thursday, though she drank water and
>>> wanted to go out. She didn't seem dehydrated, but by Saturday I was
>>> worked something was up. David took her to the vet and we found out
>>> that her kidneys are functioning at 25 percent. She's being given
>>> fluids at home, is drinking, and hardly eats.
>>> 
>>> We take her back to the vet tomorrow, but David and I talked about
>>> needing to let her go. She's herself mentally, but not physically.
>>> It's been hard to watch her not eat, and I can't see having to watch
>>> her starve herself just so selfish Dani can keep her girl around.
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to write this without crying, but it hits hard at
>>> unexpected moments. What did I not see? She's been on kidney diet food
>>> since December, and doc says kidney failure comes in older dogs.
>>> 
>>> She's lived a good long life, has been, and still is faithful, and
>>> will always be my girl. Tight-fisted Dani wants to squeeze every last
>>> moment she can get with Peg. Am I being mean to keep her around? Will
>>> I be a bad Mom to put her to sleep just because she won't be able to
>>> eat and things will get harder for her, bah the no-pain-for-CRF-thing.
>>> 
>>> All of this to ask you guys to hold your babies close, love them long,
>>> and love them hard.
>>> 
>>> More Later,
>>> Dani, rambling, struggling with herself, grateful for your support
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
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>>> *************************************
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:25:30 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10
>> Message-ID: <019301d2c9c3$30262e60$90728b20$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> No, a pool area is not like any other terrain in that it is hot; there is
>> the possibility that folks have left food trash there. The dog might take
>> exception to your going into the pool. But mainly, if it is an outdoor
> pool,
>> I would say you would want to be very, very careful about the heat. There
> is
>> paving along the pool which makes it hotter, and sun reflects off water.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 2:17 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10
>> 
>> A pool area is like any other terrain.  It's about training.  Metuka
> settles
>> in when I swim.  I just clip her leash to a chair or object, put a towel
>> down for her, and down she goes.  Enjoy yourself!
>> Peter
>> On May 10, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>> 1. Re: Have a question (NAGDU President)
>>> 2. Re: Have a question (Cindy Ray)
>>> 3. Re: Have a question (Danielle Sykora)
>>> 4. Re: Have a question (David)
>>> 5. Re: Have a question (Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU)
>>> 6. Re: Have a question (Gary Steeves)
>>> 7. Re: Have a question (Jordan Gallacher)
>>> 8. Re: Have a question (Aleeha Dudley)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:55:35 -0400
>>> From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <000001d2c8c3$8d8b9a00$a8a2ce00$@verizon.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Ricky,
>>> 
>>> 	You ask a very good question. According to the Americans with 
>>> Disabilities Act, the pool is a place of public accommodation. Covered 
>>> entities must modify their policies, practices, and procedures to 
>>> allow individuals accompanied by service animals the same access as 
>>> others. This means that, even though there may be a "No Petss" policy, 
>>> they are required by law to modify this policy so as to provide you 
>>> the same access. Since the modification of policies, practices, and 
>>> procedures are required by law and they cannot refuse or limit your 
>>> access, there is no need to give any sort of advance notice. You are 
>>> not required to ask permission, or provide any sort of documentation 
>>> that your dog is a service dog. Your dog is not allowed to go into the 
>>> pool, though, as health department regulations prohibit this and the 
>>> implementing regulations of the ADA would likely consider this a direct
>> threat.
>>> 
>>> 	Individuals differ on whether or not it is wise to take your dog to
>> a 
>>> pool area. Since it is your choice, I would say that, as long as your 
>>> dog is comfortable, has shade, if needed, go ahead and take it. I have 
>>> taken my dog to pools - both public and complex areas - and they have 
>>> always been okay. Please let us know how your pup fares!
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National 
>>> Federation of the Blind
>>> (813) 626-2789
>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  
>>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is 
>>> not what holds you back.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe 
>>> Cook via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:13 PM
>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: rickyjoecook at comcast.net
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 
>>> + community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if 
>>> I can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle 
>>> this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something 
>>> for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her
>> home.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>> 
>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>>> community administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA
>> law?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 07:59:17 -0500
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <002001d2c8c4$11a9eda0$34fdc8e0$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> My biggest concern taking the dog to the pool was people feeding it, 
>>> and one dog I had took issue with me being in the pool. I think 
>>> currently I wouldn't do it anymore, though I might under certain
>> circumstances.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. 
>>> Gallegos via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:41 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Raul A. Gallegos <raul at raulgallegos.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hello Ricky, you have every right to take your dog to the pool. So, I 
>>> don't believe you need to approach anyone about the laws unless it's 
>>> brought up first. That being said, I don't think I would take my dog 
>>> to the pool area even though I can legally do so. If I was constantly 
>>> wondering if my dog is doing okay, not being bothered, and not feeling 
>>> uncomfortable, I wouldn't enjoy myself I don't think.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text:
>>> 832.554.7285
>>> Office: 832.639.4477
>>> Personal Email: raul at raulgallegos.com
>>> Work Email: training at rgats.com
>>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>>> 
>>> "Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be." - 
>>> David Thornburg
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/2017 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 
>>>> +
>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I 
>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle 
>>> this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something 
>>> for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her
>> home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>>>> community
>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 09:23:39 -0400
>>> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 	<CAAdv8foGhbQ53+sabx0S+ohoaOq60JmnZivD8w4Y=o4x5HyyLQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> If there is a serious concern of people petting/feeding the dog, you 
>>> could try putting the dog in a collapsible crate. Though it isn't 
>>> impossible for people to interact with the dog in a crate, there is a 
>>> physical barrier between them which makes it a lot more difficult.
>>> 
>>> Danielle and Thai
>>> 
>>> On 5/9/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> My biggest concern taking the dog to the pool was people feeding it, 
>>>> and one dog I had took issue with me being in the pool. I think 
>>>> currently I wouldn't do it anymore, though I might under certain 
>>>> circumstances.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. 
>>>> Gallegos via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:41 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Raul A. Gallegos <raul at raulgallegos.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Ricky, you have every right to take your dog to the pool. So, I 
>>>> don't believe you need to approach anyone about the laws unless it's 
>>>> brought up first. That being said, I don't think I would take my dog 
>>>> to the pool area even though I can legally do so. If I was constantly 
>>>> wondering if my dog is doing okay, not being bothered, and not 
>>>> feeling uncomfortable, I wouldn't enjoy myself I don't think.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Raul A. Gallegos
>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text:
>>>> 832.554.7285
>>>> Office: 832.639.4477
>>>> Personal Email: raul at raulgallegos.com Work Email: training at rgats.com
>>>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>>>> 
>>>> "Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be." - 
>>>> David Thornburg
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/8/2017 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 
>>>>> 55 +
>>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I 
>>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should 
>>>> handle this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have 
>>>> something for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and 
>>>> leave her home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>>>>> community
>>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> for
>>>> NAGDU:
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>>>>> os
>>>>> .com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 09:24:03 -0400
>>> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <7bd3009e-f2c5-3f12-a066-26cc6fad7815 at bakerinet.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> I would think you have the right to have your pup accompany you to the 
>>> pool and you do not have to ask anyone.  To me, the issue would 
>>> involve how my dog handles being on a tie-down.  The precociousness of 
>>> children and the ability of adults to respect Darcy's status might be 
>>> an issue, too, but a harness sign might help with that.  It might give 
>>> you a chance to educate your neighbors.
>>> 
>>> I've never left Claire Rose in the 22 months we've been together, 
>>> except when I've headed into a store with a cane, and then she is in 
>>> the car with my wife.  (Swimming pool supply stores have too many 
>>> chemicals for me to feel comfortable having her with me in them.)  I 
>>> may have done that five or six times. Even in the hospital, she was 
>>> with me as we wandered around on a gurney getting tests.  Since the 
>>> doors in the hallways were so narrow, they just had her hop up on the 
>>> gurney with me.  We did get a lot of funny looks and some cute comments
>> from staff.
>>> I'm sure the image, her lying beside me with her head on my shoulder, 
>>> must have startled a few folks.
>>> 
>>> While I could trust her alone in the house, I've just never done that.
>>> 
>>> In the event that you are challenged, you can show the ADA rules 
>>> and/or state law.
>>> 
>>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/2017 10:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would
> of
>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or
> is
>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>> NAGDU:
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>>>> com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 22:32:55 -0500
>>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <FA349A82-0551-44B4-94C5-F0B8FB593EC5 at nfbtx.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>>> 
>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
>> once. I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to
>> leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where you
>> live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have an
>> umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These are
> just
>> my thoughts. Good luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 
>>> or (832) 779-7477
>>> 
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 +
>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I can
>> bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I swim? They
>> ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle this. I would
> of
>> course put her under an umbrella and have something for her to lay on. Or
> is
>> it better to get there by cane and leave her home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the community
>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NAGDU:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 08:37:49 -0700
>>> From: Gary Steeves <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>,	Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <6EC1FF28-649D-4484-9339-387C8B52B7C9 at shaw.ca>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> 
>>> hi:
>>> 
>>> when I was taking some swimming lessons, or is that adult education 
>>> :), I talked to the pool ahead of time to ask if they. could keep 
>>> Bogart in their office.  usually I found. that the people. working 
>>> there are dog overs.  Bogart didn't have problems being left with nice 
>>> women.  if they had any issues they knew where I was.  I'd then use my 
>>> came to navigate the change rooms and get out to the pool.  I don't 
>>> think Bogart would have suffered being on a tie down by the pool while 
>>> his master was obviously close to drowning. :)
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017 8:32:55 PM PDT, Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool 
>>>> once. I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect 
>>>> to leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure 
>>>> where you live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether 
>>>> you have an umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be 
>>>> hot. These are just my thoughts. Good luck.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 
>>>> 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>>> 
>>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 
>>>>> 55
>>>> + community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if 
>>>> + I
>>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should 
>>>> handle this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have 
>>>> something for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and 
>>>> leave her home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the
>>>> community administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any 
>>>> ADA law?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>> for
>>>> NAGDU:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/shardy%40nfbtx.or
>>>>> g
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>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:06:26 -0500
>>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <021801d2c8ee$fa54f890$eefee9b0$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Down here in Louisiana and when I visit my girlfriend in Florida, it 
>>> is just too hot to let Belto sit in the sun if I am at the pool.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stacie 
>>> Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:33 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> 
>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
>> once.
>>> I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to 
>>> leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where 
>>> you live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have 
>>> an umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These 
>>> are just my thoughts. Good luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 
>>> or (832) 779-7477
>>> 
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 55 
>>>> +
>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I 
>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should handle 
>>> this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have something 
>>> for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and leave her
>> home.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>>>> community
>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NAGDU:
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>> NAGDU:
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>>> ail.co
>>> m
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:22:59 -0500
>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>> Message-ID: <6A68201D-C34D-4C54-A475-2755AB4100A2 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I agree with Jordan. It?s much too hot here in Louisiana for a dog to be
>> on tie down at an outdoor pool. The only issue I have with taking a dog to
> a
>> pool is that the law does say that the dog must be under the direct
> control
>> of the handler at all times, which may not apply to a tie down or crate,
>> since you cannot immediately reach your dog in a situation that might
> arise.
>> That is one consideration I would make before taking my dog. Someone with
>> enough knowledge of the law could argue that the dog is not under direct
>> control.
>>> Aleeha and Whitley
>>>> On May 9, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Down here in Louisiana and when I visit my girlfriend in Florida, it 
>>>> is just too hot to let Belto sit in the sun if I am at the pool.
>>>> Jordan
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stacie 
>>>> Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Have a question
>>>> 
>>>> Hello there, when I had my first guy dog, I took him to a public pool
>> once.
>>>> I had no issues. However, if it were me, I think I would elect to 
>>>> leave my dog at home and take a cane to the pool. I'm not sure where 
>>>> you live, but in Texas, it gets unbelievably hot. So whether you have 
>>>> an umbrella or a towel on the ground the dog will still be hot. These 
>>>> are just my thoughts. Good luck.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 
>>>> 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>>> 
>>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all, I have a legal question that I need help with. I live in a 
>>>>> 55 +
>>>> community and we have a pool for the community. I wanted to know if I 
>>>> can bring Darcy with me to the pool and put her on tie down while I 
>>>> swim? They ban pets of course but I wanted to know how I should 
>>>> handle this. I would of course put her under an umbrella and have 
>>>> something for her to lay on. Or is it better to get there by cane and
>> leave her home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do any of you have experience with anything like this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I do decide to take her how would you advice I approach the 
>>>>> community
>>>> administrator about bringing her. Should I quote from any ADA law?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>> for
>>>> NAGDU:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/shardy%40nfbtx.or
>>>>> g
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>> NAGDU:
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>>>> m
>>>> 
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>>>> 0gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:25:45 -0400
>> From: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Thanks!
>> Message-ID: <20170510192545.chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>> 
>> Hi Cyndi, Marianne, and All:
>> 
>> First of all, particularly to Cyndi, I apologize for not including my
> E-mail address itself in my previous message. I assumed it showed up in the
> E-mail itself when it was generated from the NFBNET server. Just for general
> reference, it is: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
>> 
>> Thanks for the helpful tips. Ironically, it turned out that I was better
> able to access help from the app itself. I  accessed my past trips and
> pressed the help button there.
>> 
>> I hope Uber follows through. Before I went nomail, I have heard that in
> some cases, they just suspend these drivers and don't actually remove them.
>> 
>> All The Best!
>> 
>> Chaim  
>> 
>> Chaim B. Segal
>> Call Center Representative
>> Sinclair Community College
>> Dayton, Ohio
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:27:33 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Service dog in Japan
>> Message-ID: <019901d2c9c3$79745b00$6c5d1100$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Wow! That is interesting. For me it means if something happened to you
> they
>> would exercise power of attorney for your dogs, but I wouldn't like that
>> either, and you may be closer to right than I am.
>> 
>> Cindy Lou Ray 
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 2:23 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Service dog in Japan
>> 
>> We have decided not to go to Japan with service dogs, because aside from
>> their requirements, we read  that a traveler must also sign over power of
>> attorney for the animal to the authorities upon entry.  My legal
> understand
>> of this means if for any reason, someone whether for wholesome reasons or
>> not, decides not to let you have your dog, it's no longer your dog.  
>> 
>> I'd appreciate comments from someone who understands legality. 
>> Thanks, 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>> On May 8, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>> 1. travelling to Japan revisited (Dan Weiner)
>>> 2. Re: Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa (Danielle Ledet)
>>> 3. Update On My Girl (Dani Pagador)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:07:00 -0400
>>> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] travelling to Japan revisited
>>> Message-ID: <b361c059-9950-4532-353f-073b7ae652d7 at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> Hello, beautiful people and dogs.
>>> 
>>> Dan here.
>>> 
>>> Well I think the subject of guide dogs in Japan and traveling their 
>>> accompanied by a guide dog was dealt with recently.
>>> 
>>> By coincidence I've been in contact with a very energetic, resourceful 
>>> and intelligent  young guy from NYC who wants to maybe study or visit 
>>> there.  He has a guide dog and though I went from 2001 to 2003 my info 
>>> is of course  not up to date. His vet actually seems very knowledgeable 
>>> and had to apparently help another client with a service dog...but I 
>>> thought he might find it useful to speak with someone who has traveled 
>>> there more recently than I.  Anyone who has done this, I seem to 
>>> remember there was one person who had, let me know if you're willing to 
>>> be in touch with this fellow.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apparently it would seem that one additional requirement since my days 
>>> of stomping around there was that if you have a guide dog you must have 
>>> info sent to the Japan guide Dog Association from your school so they 
>>> issue you a temporary guide dog id, the JGDa is a guide dog school, I 
>>> will refrain form making comments on this as I had to deal with the 
>>> beginnings of that process when I wetn there. Suffice it to say that 
>>> they want your school to be affiliated to the International Federation 
>>> of Guide Dog Schools and if not they seem not interested in issuing this 
>>> card.  So, though the Japan restrictions puzzle and annoy me, I do want 
>>> to help this guy if he is determined to have this experience and want 
>>> him to be successful.
>>> 
>>> So anyone wants to talk to him or to me, my email:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'll give out his contact only on request.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Most sincerely,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:19:53 -0600
>>> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 	<CAMxXqEQ_wJOAtOBs_LjZGGBe0m3G8oc9rkdiz1vt8-7wxMRvMg at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Welcome Heather. You will fit right in here. Now all we gotta do is
>>> get Raven Tolliver back talking and we'll have a nice balance!
>>> 
>>> On 5/6/17, margo Downey via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Well, Heather and Ilsa, you all know by now that you can reply and it'll
>> go
>>>> everywhere Nagdu people are.  (smile).
>>>> 
>>>> Margo and Isis
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird
>> via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:34 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Heather Bird
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>> 
>>>>   Oh, yay! Its a Margo and an Isis. You can be my ghinny pig. I am
>>>> trying to figure out if reply goes to just the sender or to the whole
>> list.
>>>> If no one else on list replies to this, then I will know that it went to
>>>> you only. I know some lists require you to hit reply all to get it to
> the
>>>> list, and others have the default of reply going to the whole list.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> PS, Ilsa says "Hey, Isis, tell your mommy not to go donating any more
>> money
>>>> to my crazy mom. She dragged me to this silly park and there was this
>> nice
>>>> walk we went on, but then she made me do the loop again, and then this
>> even
>>>> smaller loop around the pond. She wouldn't let me chew on the ducks or
>> the
>>>> geese and there were all of these other rude people running who wouldn't
>>>> let me catch up with them and be first. Maybe if people stop giving my
>>>> mommy money she'll not make me do that again."
>>>> *wagging* "Nah, actually it was really fun, maybe you come walk with us
>>>> next year, just don't try to retrieve the ducks. Rusti says ducks are
> for
>>>> retrieving, but I think they look like more for chewing. You're a
>> Labrador,
>>>> well, you're a cross, so you be our tie breaker, are ducks for
> retrieving
>>>> or for chewing? PSST, say chewing, or I'll chew on your ears a little
>> when
>>>> I see you at convention. Kidding, sort of." *more wagging*"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/5/2017 10:26 PM, margo Downey via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Hey, Heather, welcome!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The
>>>>> Pawpower Pack via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 4:53 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: The Pawpower Pack
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Heather!
>>>>> Welcome to the list.  I'm Rox, am Deafblind, and my current working
>>>>> service dog is Soleil, a 6 year old yellow lab.  She is owner trained.
>>>>> I also have Laveau, a 10 year old Doberman who still works from time
>>>>> to time, so Soleil can practice staying home alone!  WE also share our
>>>>> home with Mill'E, who is a almost 15 year old golden.  Sometimes
>>>>> Mill'E makes me put the harness on her so she can stand around and
>>>>> feel official but mostly her job is to keep my feet warm.
>>>>> We live in New Orleans where I am an independent contractor doing any
>>>>> number of different things.
>>>>> Hope you enjoy the list!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 5, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Jen via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Heather,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Welcome! My name is Jen. Although I am not a guide dog user, I am
>>>>>> interested in all things guide dog! I look forward to your posts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>>>>> Bird via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 3:26 PM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello. My name is Heather and I have a Seeing Eye dog named Ilsa. She
>>>>>> is a black and tan German Shepherd Dog. She just turned two around
>>>>>> Thanks Giving of 2016. She is my second guide from the Seeing Eye, my
>>>>>> fourth GSD. I have previously had shepherds from Fidelco Guide Dog
>>>>> Foundation.
>>>>>> I am a mother of two boys, who are both visually impaired. My mother
>>>>>> is also blind and also a guide dog handler. My husband and my father
>>>>>> are both sighted. I am a member of NYAGDU, as are my mother and my
>>>>> husband.
>>>>>> I am also the chapter president for our local NFB chapter in
>>>>>> Rochester
>>>>> NY.
>>>>>> Ilsa is very bright, a bit softer than my first TSE shepherd, Frieda,
>>>>>> but just as smart. My husband has an owner-trained psychiatric
>>>>>> service dog, a seven-year-old smooth coat collie named Dante. He is a
>>>>>> sable and he is a very soft, very intuitive sweet dog. My mother has
>>>>>> a black lab named Octane from the Seeing Eye. I have her permission
>>>>>> to disclose this fact and as many of my best guide dog stories
>>>>>> involve both her and my dogs, you may see mention of Octane from time
>> to
>>>> time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am also a member of IAADP. I am an attachment parent, student of
>>>>>> social work, stay-at-home mom and a member of API, and LLLI. I am
>>>>>> supportive of owner trainers, handlers of small breed service dogs,
>>>>>> handlers with invisible disabilities. I am a big advocate of informed
>>>>>> choice in guide dog training program selection, and a big proponent
>>>>>> of the rights and responsibilities of all service dog handlers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's the nuts and bolts of me as a handler. Please feel free to ask
>>>>>> if you have any additional questions.
>>>>>> 
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>>> -- 
>>> How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
>>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
>>> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
>>> have been all of these.
>>> George Washington Carver
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>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 01:32:18 -1000
>>> From: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Update On My Girl
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 	<CA+Lzemt9AS5Wx8wJ4PSUe-A2L_C-0Gz6e2bu=AR5S5NQd_pj1g at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>> Peg was on Deremaxx and her limp seemed more pronounced, she seemed
>>> more anxious, and wasn't right digestively. I asked the doctor what
>>> the other alternative was, and she said I could either go back to
>>> Previcox or try Rimadyl. I opted for the Rimadyl, though she did well
>>> on the Previcox.
>>> 
>>> She's been on the new meds for a week, but her appetite's been sketchy
>>> at best. She threw up Sunday night and Monday morning, and doc put her
>>> on a bland diet. She ate willingly, but I had to make homemade broth
>>> and rice--she wouldn't touch the canned stuff.
>>> 
>>> Her loss of appetite started Thursday, though she drank water and
>>> wanted to go out. She didn't seem dehydrated, but by Saturday I was
>>> worked something was up. David took her to the vet and we found out
>>> that her kidneys are functioning at 25 percent. She's being given
>>> fluids at home, is drinking, and hardly eats.
>>> 
>>> We take her back to the vet tomorrow, but David and I talked about
>>> needing to let her go. She's herself mentally, but not physically.
>>> It's been hard to watch her not eat, and I can't see having to watch
>>> her starve herself just so selfish Dani can keep her girl around.
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to write this without crying, but it hits hard at
>>> unexpected moments. What did I not see? She's been on kidney diet food
>>> since December, and doc says kidney failure comes in older dogs.
>>> 
>>> She's lived a good long life, has been, and still is faithful, and
>>> will always be my girl. Tight-fisted Dani wants to squeeze every last
>>> moment she can get with Peg. Am I being mean to keep her around? Will
>>> I be a bad Mom to put her to sleep just because she won't be able to
>>> eat and things will get harder for her, bah the no-pain-for-CRF-thing.
>>> 
>>> All of this to ask you guys to hold your babies close, love them long,
>>> and love them hard.
>>> 
>>> More Later,
>>> Dani, rambling, struggling with herself, grateful for your support
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:29:00 -0400
>> From: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Service dog in Japan
>> Message-ID: <62529e23-3fd1-e673-7575-ff96ff71f4ee at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>> 
>> Oh my god! That is horrifying! Over my dead body! Yes, please. Could 
>> someone with legal qualifications please explain for us what that means? 
>> I have no problem with the whole IGDF, contacting the Japanese guide dog 
>> school thing. However, if that is true about assigning a power of a 
>> tourney for your dog, then they can just stuff it and I'll not go, or 
>> I'll go without my dog. I am really hoping that this is a 
>> misunderstanding, because the implications are really disgusting, not 
>> only for what could happen to the dog, but also for how that speaks to 
>> how blind people are treated and thought of. Yikes!
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/10/2017 3:22 PM, Peter Wolf via NAGDU wrote:
>>> We have decided not to go to Japan with service dogs, because aside from
> their requirements, we read  that a traveler must also sign over power of
> attorney for the animal to the authorities upon entry.  My legal understand
> of this means if for any reason, someone whether for wholesome reasons or
> not, decides not to let you have your dog, it?s no longer your dog.
>>> 
>>> I?d appreciate comments from someone who understands legality.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>> 
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>> 
>>>>  1. travelling to Japan revisited (Dan Weiner)
>>>>  2. Re: Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa (Danielle Ledet)
>>>>  3. Update On My Girl (Dani Pagador)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:07:00 -0400
>>>> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] travelling to Japan revisited
>>>> Message-ID: <b361c059-9950-4532-353f-073b7ae652d7 at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, beautiful people and dogs.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan here.
>>>> 
>>>> Well I think the subject of guide dogs in Japan and traveling their
>>>> accompanied by a guide dog was dealt with recently.
>>>> 
>>>> By coincidence I've been in contact with a very energetic, resourceful
>>>> and intelligent  young guy from NYC who wants to maybe study or visit
>>>> there.  He has a guide dog and though I went from 2001 to 2003 my info
>>>> is of course  not up to date. His vet actually seems very knowledgeable
>>>> and had to apparently help another client with a service dog...but I
>>>> thought he might find it useful to speak with someone who has traveled
>>>> there more recently than I.  Anyone who has done this, I seem to
>>>> remember there was one person who had, let me know if you're willing to
>>>> be in touch with this fellow.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently it would seem that one additional requirement since my days
>>>> of stomping around there was that if you have a guide dog you must have
>>>> info sent to the Japan guide Dog Association from your school so they
>>>> issue you a temporary guide dog id, the JGDa is a guide dog school, I
>>>> will refrain form making comments on this as I had to deal with the
>>>> beginnings of that process when I wetn there. Suffice it to say that
>>>> they want your school to be affiliated to the International Federation
>>>> of Guide Dog Schools and if not they seem not interested in issuing this
>>>> card.  So, though the Japan restrictions puzzle and annoy me, I do want
>>>> to help this guy if he is determined to have this experience and want
>>>> him to be successful.
>>>> 
>>>> So anyone wants to talk to him or to me, my email:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'll give out his contact only on request.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Most sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:19:53 -0600
>>>> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 	<CAMxXqEQ_wJOAtOBs_LjZGGBe0m3G8oc9rkdiz1vt8-7wxMRvMg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>> 
>>>> Welcome Heather. You will fit right in here. Now all we gotta do is
>>>> get Raven Tolliver back talking and we'll have a nice balance!
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/6/17, margo Downey via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Well, Heather and Ilsa, you all know by now that you can reply and
> it'll go
>>>>> everywhere Nagdu people are.  (smile).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Margo and Isis
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird
> via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Heather Bird
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Oh, yay! Its a Margo and an Isis. You can be my ghinny pig. I am
>>>>> trying to figure out if reply goes to just the sender or to the whole
> list.
>>>>> If no one else on list replies to this, then I will know that it went
> to
>>>>> you only. I know some lists require you to hit reply all to get it to
> the
>>>>> list, and others have the default of reply going to the whole list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS, Ilsa says "Hey, Isis, tell your mommy not to go donating any more
> money
>>>>> to my crazy mom. She dragged me to this silly park and there was this
> nice
>>>>> walk we went on, but then she made me do the loop again, and then this
> even
>>>>> smaller loop around the pond. She wouldn't let me chew on the ducks or
> the
>>>>> geese and there were all of these other rude people running who
> wouldn't
>>>>> let me catch up with them and be first. Maybe if people stop giving my
>>>>> mommy money she'll not make me do that again."
>>>>> *wagging* "Nah, actually it was really fun, maybe you come walk with us
>>>>> next year, just don't try to retrieve the ducks. Rusti says ducks are
> for
>>>>> retrieving, but I think they look like more for chewing. You're a
> Labrador,
>>>>> well, you're a cross, so you be our tie breaker, are ducks for
> retrieving
>>>>> or for chewing? PSST, say chewing, or I'll chew on your ears a little
> when
>>>>> I see you at convention. Kidding, sort of." *more wagging*"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/5/2017 10:26 PM, margo Downey via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>> Hey, Heather, welcome!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The
>>>>>> Pawpower Pack via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 4:53 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: The Pawpower Pack
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Heather!
>>>>>> Welcome to the list.  I'm Rox, am Deafblind, and my current working
>>>>>> service dog is Soleil, a 6 year old yellow lab.  She is owner trained.
>>>>>> I also have Laveau, a 10 year old Doberman who still works from time
>>>>>> to time, so Soleil can practice staying home alone!  WE also share our
>>>>>> home with Mill'E, who is a almost 15 year old golden.  Sometimes
>>>>>> Mill'E makes me put the harness on her so she can stand around and
>>>>>> feel official but mostly her job is to keep my feet warm.
>>>>>> We live in New Orleans where I am an independent contractor doing any
>>>>>> number of different things.
>>>>>> Hope you enjoy the list!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>>>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>>>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 5, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Jen via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Heather,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Welcome! My name is Jen. Although I am not a guide dog user, I am
>>>>>>> interested in all things guide dog! I look forward to your posts.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>>>>>> Bird via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 3:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Hello, An Introduction from Heather With Ilsa
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello. My name is Heather and I have a Seeing Eye dog named Ilsa. She
>>>>>>> is a black and tan German Shepherd Dog. She just turned two around
>>>>>>> Thanks Giving of 2016. She is my second guide from the Seeing Eye, my
>>>>>>> fourth GSD. I have previously had shepherds from Fidelco Guide Dog
>>>>>> Foundation.
>>>>>>> I am a mother of two boys, who are both visually impaired. My mother
>>>>>>> is also blind and also a guide dog handler. My husband and my father
>>>>>>> are both sighted. I am a member of NYAGDU, as are my mother and my
>>>>>> husband.
>>>>>>> I am also the chapter president for our local NFB chapter in
>>>>>>> Rochester
>>>>>> NY.
>>>>>>> Ilsa is very bright, a bit softer than my first TSE shepherd, Frieda,
>>>>>>> but just as smart. My husband has an owner-trained psychiatric
>>>>>>> service dog, a seven-year-old smooth coat collie named Dante. He is a
>>>>>>> sable and he is a very soft, very intuitive sweet dog. My mother has
>>>>>>> a black lab named Octane from the Seeing Eye. I have her permission
>>>>>>> to disclose this fact and as many of my best guide dog stories
>>>>>>> involve both her and my dogs, you may see mention of Octane from time
> to
>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> I am also a member of IAADP. I am an attachment parent, student of
>>>>>>> social work, stay-at-home mom and a member of API, and LLLI. I am
>>>>>>> supportive of owner trainers, handlers of small breed service dogs,
>>>>>>> handlers with invisible disabilities. I am a big advocate of informed
>>>>>>> choice in guide dog training program selection, and a big proponent
>>>>>>> of the rights and responsibilities of all service dog handlers.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's the nuts and bolts of me as a handler. Please feel free to ask
>>>>>>> if you have any additional questions.
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> -- 
>>>> How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
>>>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
>>>> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
>>>> have been all of these.
>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 01:32:18 -1000
>>>> From: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Update On My Girl
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 	<CA+Lzemt9AS5Wx8wJ4PSUe-A2L_C-0Gz6e2bu=AR5S5NQd_pj1g at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>>> Peg was on Deremaxx and her limp seemed more pronounced, she seemed
>>>> more anxious, and wasn't right digestively. I asked the doctor what
>>>> the other alternative was, and she said I could either go back to
>>>> Previcox or try Rimadyl. I opted for the Rimadyl, though she did well
>>>> on the Previcox.
>>>> 
>>>> She's been on the new meds for a week, but her appetite's been sketchy
>>>> at best. She threw up Sunday night and Monday morning, and doc put her
>>>> on a bland diet. She ate willingly, but I had to make homemade broth
>>>> and rice--she wouldn't touch the canned stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> Her loss of appetite started Thursday, though she drank water and
>>>> wanted to go out. She didn't seem dehydrated, but by Saturday I was
>>>> worked something was up. David took her to the vet and we found out
>>>> that her kidneys are functioning at 25 percent. She's being given
>>>> fluids at home, is drinking, and hardly eats.
>>>> 
>>>> We take her back to the vet tomorrow, but David and I talked about
>>>> needing to let her go. She's herself mentally, but not physically.
>>>> It's been hard to watch her not eat, and I can't see having to watch
>>>> her starve herself just so selfish Dani can keep her girl around.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm trying to write this without crying, but it hits hard at
>>>> unexpected moments. What did I not see? She's been on kidney diet food
>>>> since December, and doc says kidney failure comes in older dogs.
>>>> 
>>>> She's lived a good long life, has been, and still is faithful, and
>>>> will always be my girl. Tight-fisted Dani wants to squeeze every last
>>>> moment she can get with Peg. Am I being mean to keep her around? Will
>>>> I be a bad Mom to put her to sleep just because she won't be able to
>>>> eat and things will get harder for her, bah the no-pain-for-CRF-thing.
>>>> 
>>>> All of this to ask you guys to hold your babies close, love them long,
>>>> and love them hard.
>>>> 
>>>> More Later,
>>>> Dani, rambling, struggling with herself, grateful for your support
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:30:20 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Thanks!
>> Message-ID: <019c01d2c9c3$dcf47660$96dd6320$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I think I mentioned that the National Federation of the Blind has an
>> agreement with them and Lyft, and for the next three to five years we will
>> all be test cases. So far several drivers have been fired over this issue.
>> The test just started May 8.
>> 
>> We request E-mails at the bottom of the messages because there is no such
>> information given by the server, though no one follows through with the
>> request. I hope all will read the May Braille Monitor information, plus
> that
>> on the NFB site that tells about this testing. It will help us all to know
>> what to do. We are to report positive experiences as well.
>> 
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chaim B. Segal
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 2:26 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Thanks!
>> 
>> Hi Cyndi, Marianne, and All:
>> 
>> First of all, particularly to Cyndi, I apologize for not including my
> E-mail
>> address itself in my previous message. I assumed it showed up in the
> E-mail
>> itself when it was generated from the NFBNET server. Just for general
>> reference, it is: chaimsegal1968 at gmail.com
>> 
>> Thanks for the helpful tips. Ironically, it turned out that I was better
>> able to access help from the app itself. I  accessed my past trips and
>> pressed the help button there.
>> 
>> I hope Uber follows through. Before I went nomail, I have heard that in
> some
>> cases, they just suspend these drivers and don't actually remove them.
>> 
>> All The Best!
>> 
>> Chaim  
>> 
>> Chaim B. Segal
>> Call Center Representative
>> Sinclair Community College
>> Dayton, Ohio
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 12:30:16 -0700
>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 33
>> Message-ID: <FDAE2436-18BA-442A-8A71-B81D2CC9408E at wolfskills.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>> 
>> Ricky Joe,
>> 
>> We have had tremendous success honoring the ?den? inner nature of dogs.
> We have two working dogs - mine for vision and the other in the family for
> head injury.  As much as a classic tie down is good, the easiest thing of
> all for us is to let the dog be in a place most comfortable.  We bring a
> towel and set it between, next to or - best of all -  under the table.
> Frankly they love a ?den? situation so much that if an occasion comes when
> we have to do something without them, we set up an X-pen and throw their
> beds in.  We have to practically fight them for the door in.  And when we
> return, we have to ask them to come out.  Same in restaurants, which would
> be a lot like your cooking dynamic (like foot traffic and standing, food,
> activity around you).  We?ll put down a towel, and they?ll go right into
> down on it, without us asking.  If on leaving we'd not remember the dogs
> came in with us, you?d never even know we'd brought them!
>> On Apr 29, 2017, at 8:42 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>> 1. Greetings from a new poster (rickyjoecook at comcast.net)
>>> 2. Re: FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>>>    Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation? (Star Gazer)
>>> 3. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 28 (Peter Wolf)
>>> 4. Re: FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>>>    Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation? (Star Gazer)
>>> 5. Re: FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>>>    Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation? (Cindy Ray)
>>> 6. Re: FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>>>    Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation? (Star Gazer)
>>> 7. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 22 (Peter Wolf)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 06:10:51 -0700
>>> From: <rickyjoecook at comcast.net>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Greetings from a new poster
>>> Message-ID: <E83E0110722A47C8B959DA1E40C881C1 at DESKTOPLMK8BJG>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"
>>> 
>>> Hello, I am Ricky Joe Cook with my black labrador ?Darcy?. We are located
> in Tigard Oregon which is a suburb of Portland.
>>> 
>>> I am looking for some advice for me and Darcy. I am a chef and I do
> in-store wine tasting/cooking events in grocery stores. I will be starting
> my first series of new demos next Friday. I have a table that I use which is
> about four feet long and two feet wide. I will be standing behind the table
> for about three hours. I am trying to figure out how to handle positioning
> Darcy. should I take her bed and put it under the table? If so and I am
> using my hands how should I attacher on tie down. I was thinking to maybe my
> belt? I don?t really want to attach her to the table. I will have wine
> bottles and a cook stove on the table. II don?t know if there are any blind
> chefs with guide dogs or not but was wondering what they did while they were
> working.
>>> 
>>> I am glad to provide more info but this is the basic idea of what I am
> doing and need some advice for.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ricky Joe & Darcy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:27:36 -0400
>>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> 	Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> Message-ID: <01ba01d2c0fd$21c2d040$654870c0$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> 			I wonder if the language "bring your dog" is what is
>>> confusing people. It's phrased like "bring your kid" as in "bring your
> kid
>>> to work day" where the children will not be performing any job functions.
>>> They are just there for decoration. 
>>> In Tracey's example, she needed her dog to get to and from the interview
> and
>>> presumably around the office. So she isn't "bringing her dog". 
>>> Personally, I would and have just used whatever mobility aid you needed
> and
>>> go do the interview. 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:29 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> Hi Becky.
>>> What Danielle says makes a lot of sense to me.
>>> I'd say that whether or not you bring your dog to an interview is up to
> you.
>>> Personally, I would, because I'd use him to get there in the first place.
>>> I think the article is right about discussing the dog in relation to the
>>> job, if and when you get it.  If you'd be working in food service, it
> would
>>> be reasonable for the employer to talk about where the dog would be while
>>> you're working with food.  But, if like me you're working in an office, I
>>> don't see that it would really come up.  I might say that the dog will be
>>> with me and under my control at all times.  And, of course, I'd be sure
> my
>>> dog was clean and well-behaved during the interview, but I always do
> those
>>> things anyway.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sabo
> via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:05 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Rebecca Sabo
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I have a job interview on Tuesday should or should not bring my guy dog
> with
>>> me. Also any suggestions would be great how to approach bringing my dog
> if I
>>> get the position Becky
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:20 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Huh.  When I was interviewing for jobs, well before the ADA, I didn't
> even
>>> think about whether or not I should bring my guide dog with me.  I just
> did
>>> it.  We come as a set, pretty much.  I don't recall any interview that
>>> didn't require considerable travel by bus or subway, plus walking through
>>> the city, so of course I used my dog.  My first dog went on so many job
>>> interviews that she learned to look for a reception desk as soon as we
>>> walked into an office building.  Smart girl.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I think the ADA just complicates things.
>>> 
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: NJAGDU [mailto:njagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger
> Kutsch
>>> via NJAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:41 PM
>>> To: New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Ginger Kutsch
>>> Subject: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public
> Access
>>> or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access or Reasonable
>>> Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> JAN e-news 2nd quarter 
>>> 
>>> URL: http://askjan.org/enews/2017/Enews-V15-I2.htm#1
>>> 
>>> Issues related to service animals in the workplace continue to confuse
> both
>>> employers and the individuals with disabilities who use the service
> animals,
>>> but one of the most confusing issues is whether a job applicant has a
> right
>>> to take a service animal to a job interview. The answer depends on
> whether
>>> the interview is part of a public event, such as a job fair, or a
> private,
>>> one on one interview in the employer's place of business. Why does it
> matter
>>> whether the job interview is public or private? It matters because there
> are
>>> different rules under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) related
> to
>>> service animals in public places versus places of employment. 
>>> 
>>> Public job fairs are typically covered by title II (state and local
>>> government) or title III (public accommodations) of ADA depending on who
>>> sponsors the fair.  They are usually open to anyone who wants to attend
> so
>>> they are considered public. Under titles II and III of the ADA,
> individuals
>>> with disabilities attending a public job fair have a right to take their
>>> service animals with them according to Department of Justice guidelines
>>> <https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html> .
>>> 
>>> For private, one on one job interviews, title I (employment) of the ADA
>>> applies, assuming the employer has at least 15 employees. Under title I,
>>> individuals with disabilities do not have an automatic right to bring a
>>> service animal to a job interview; bringing an animal into an employer's
>>> place of business is a form of reasonable accommodation, meaning the job
>>> applicant must ask to bring the service animal to the interview and the
>>> employer must consider the request. 
>>> 
>>> But what should an employer do if a job applicant shows up with a service
>>> animal without prior approval? From a practical standpoint, the best
> thing
>>> might be to go ahead and conduct the interview if possible and then
> discuss
>>> the service animal if the applicant is offered the job. This way, the
>>> employer focuses on the job applicant's qualifications and not on the
>>> employee's disability. In some cases, the employer might need to ask
> about
>>> the service animal as part of determining whether the applicant is
>>> qualified. For example, if the applicant is applying for a food service
> job,
>>> there will be work areas where the service animal is not allowed and the
>>> employer may need to make sure the applicant can perform the job without
> the
>>> service animal present at all times. For purposes of the job interview,
> this
>>> discussion should be brief and focused on job performance. 
>>> 
>>> For job applicants with disabilities who use service animals, there are a
>>> couple of different options for the job interview. First, the applicant
> can
>>> notify the employer that he/she uses a service animal and ask whether the
>>> service animal can be used during the job interview. Applicants should be
>>> prepared to provide medical documentation if the employer requests it;
> under
>>> the ADA, employers are allowed to require medical documentation when an
>>> applicant or employee requests an accommodation. Some employers try to
>>> minimize medical documentation related to accommodation requests for job
>>> interviews, so hopefully applicants will not be required to provide any,
> but
>>> it is good to be prepared. 
>>> 
>>> The other option is to not use the service animal during the job
> interview.
>>> Some people need their service animal with them at all times, but others
> are
>>> able to be without the service animal for brief periods and opt to wait
> to
>>> talk with an employer about the use of the service animal until after a
> job
>>> offer is secured. 
>>> 
>>> Also, there may be state laws related to service animal access that
> require
>>> employers to automatically allow job applicants to bring a service animal
> to
>>> the job interview. For information about state laws, see
>>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/51
>>> 
>>> - 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:29:14 -0700
>>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 28
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>>> 
>>> I have vision-meets-balance issues.  I don?t see peripherally, so when
> Metukah puts her head down or goes to sniff, it will be too late to correct
> - and I may not be balanced.  The solution when I discussed this was that
> although it wasn?t standard practice, to use a head halter.  We use Holt, or
> Halti.  She can open her mouth, pant, and even eat.  I mean just a training
> treat or something because she can open her mouth halfway, not all the way.
> It also allows drinking.  It?s just a head steering aid, and it tells me
> instantly when she is about to move her head out of walking range.  
>>> 
>>> As an aside,, we up to now have worked on leash, not handle, for six
> years.  Julie has been helping me a lot to get her ready for harness handle,
> and will shortly be making one to fit her.   But in getting ready I have
> been using a training harness in the interim, and simply using the leash and
> halter as usual, clipped on my belt and holding it like always, independent
> of the training harness.  No problem.  But back to the issue.
>>> 
>>> The traininer and I recognized how awesome Metukah is, even though the
> curious nose wasn?t going away, and so develped this strategy to include and
> work around it.  It simply keeps her head up where it belongs when she gets
> tempted, and if she gets to the phase between thought and action, I can
> catch it and it is a one fingertip pad touch correction in a little sewn
> finger loop - the way we work - extremely light on leash.  It is
> relationship, and communication, not pulling. 
>>> 
>>> Here?s the other thing.  We both know each others? intelligence.  We
> respect each other a lot.  It is sometimes astonishing how affective it is
> to have a full sentence English conversation, with full intention and
> language, and subtlety, discussing desire, boundaries, feelings, and the
> importance of something.  She gets it.  We have never done discipline.
> Well, correction.  I have raised my voice twice in seven years, but only
> because she was occupied and didn?t hear me at first and react.  Here?s the
> caveat.  If you are going to lay out your case to your dog, he or she will
> get it.  But *only* if you believe it is possible.  Hope this helps.
>>> Peter
>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>> 
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>>>> 1. Re: bad dogs (Tami Jarvis)
>>>> 2. Re: bad dogs (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 3. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
>>>> 4. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
>>>> 5. Re: bad dogs (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 6. Re: bad dogs (S L Johnson)
>>>> 7. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
>>>> 8. Re: bad dogs (S L Johnson)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 09:35:32 -0700
>>>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> Message-ID: <f026b274-0128-f723-3f72-9bbc0c91e5c9 at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> Dar,
>>>> 
>>>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work 
>>>> for you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss
> 
>>>> it out anyway, just in case it might work.
>>>> 
>>>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If
> 
>>>> you can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance
> 
>>>> and thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the 
>>>> ground, then block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it, 
>>>> you might be able to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with 
>>>> my husband's muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used 
>>>> it on the poodles to convince them not to cut across me for a good 
>>>> sniff. I'm not sure I'd try it with my guide in a crowd or in a place 
>>>> I'm likely to lose orientation, but it does work. It's a direct form of 
>>>> communication that mimics how dogs communicate boundaries and so on. I 
>>>> keep my body turned slightly away from the dog and don't even look at 
>>>> it. It also takes less strength than trying to pull a stubborn monster 
>>>> away from a goodie, so you might get more victories.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of
> 
>>>> the time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a 
>>>> strong, stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get 
>>>> your girl past this.
>>>> 
>>>> Tami
>>>> 
>>>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:03:36 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> Message-ID: <00bf01d2bde5$e1118d30$a334a790$@access.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Tami.
>>>> That's interesting.  I could see how it could work, if the food is in
> front
>>>> of or to the dog's right--well, my direction, which is to his right.
> Krokus
>>>> often seems to dive left-ish, where the food is closer to him.  I have
>>>> sometimes managed to stick my foot between his nose and a tasty tidbit,
> but
>>>> that's just dumb luck.  
>>>> Still, I'll keep this idea in mind myself.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
> via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 12:36 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Tami Jarvis
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>> Dar,
>>>> 
>>>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work
> for
>>>> you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss it
> out
>>>> anyway, just in case it might work.
>>>> 
>>>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If
> you
>>>> can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance and
>>>> thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the ground,
> then
>>>> block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it, you might be
> able
>>>> to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with my husband's
>>>> muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used it on the
> poodles
>>>> to convince them not to cut across me for a good sniff. I'm not sure I'd
> try
>>>> it with my guide in a crowd or in a place I'm likely to lose
> orientation,
>>>> but it does work. It's a direct form of communication that mimics how
> dogs
>>>> communicate boundaries and so on. I keep my body turned slightly away
> from
>>>> the dog and don't even look at it. It also takes less strength than
> trying
>>>> to pull a stubborn monster away from a goodie, so you might get more
>>>> victories.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of
> the
>>>> time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a
> strong,
>>>> stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get your girl
> past
>>>> this.
>>>> 
>>>> Tami
>>>> 
>>>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down 
>>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, 
>>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her 
>>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:28:07 -0400
>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> Message-ID: <6b093d38.8952.44b7.9c9f.307385134f5e at samobile.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>> 
>>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>>> I did the short leash,
>>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely
> helps.
>>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse control.
> I
>>>>> don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on getting him
> to
>>>>> resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this more, but even
> the
>>>>> bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still tries to pick up
> stuff,
>>>>> but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we can actually walk all the
> way
>>>>> across town without grabbing anything.
>>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
> I am
>>>>> sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
> down
>>>>> outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
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>>>> -- 
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:55:13 -0400
>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> Message-ID: <b8cbcb56.04e7.411e.94c0.24838b352056 at samobile.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>> 
>>>> Yes I give her the knee when she is sniffing buts.
>>>> Never tried it when nove is on ground.
>>>> I can use my left knee to do this.
>>>> I also have to do this when we sniff corners on buildings, as well as 
>>>> when driver is walking up to us.
>>>> She starts a tail wag, where for the most part would be fine, except if 
>>>> there is a curb off I go because she is watching driver not feet and
> curb.
>>>> She might get this thing after all.
>>>> I just have to stay on her at all times.
>>>> The short leash is wonderful.
>>>> I even have the prong collar on.
>>>> I slow her down in areas I don't know so I do have better balance.
>>>> Going down ramps things like that.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Dar,
>>>> 
>>>>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work
>>>>> for you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll
> toss
>>>>> it out anyway, just in case it might work.
>>>> 
>>>>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg?
> If
>>>>> you can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to
> unbalance
>>>>> and thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the
>>>>> ground, then block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it,
>>>>> you might be able to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with
>>>>> my husband's muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used
>>>>> it on the poodles to convince them not to cut across me for a good
>>>>> sniff. I'm not sure I'd try it with my guide in a crowd or in a place
>>>>> I'm likely to lose orientation, but it does work. It's a direct form of
>>>>> communication that mimics how dogs communicate boundaries and so on. I
>>>>> keep my body turned slightly away from the dog and don't even look at
>>>>> it. It also takes less strength than trying to pull a stubborn monster
>>>>> away from a goodie, so you might get more victories.
>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part
> of
>>>>> the time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a
>>>>> strong, stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get
>>>>> your girl past this.
>>>> 
>>>>> Tami
>>>> 
>>>>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
> or
>>>>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> -- 
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:59:15 -0400
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> Message-ID: <00ca01d2bdf6$091548c0$1b3fda40$@access.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Good job.  Sounds like you're making progress.  Maybe a few weeks of the
> old
>>>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>>> I did the short leash,
>>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely
>>>> helps.
>>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse 
>>>>> control.  I don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on 
>>>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this 
>>>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still 
>>>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we 
>>>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina 
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down 
>>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, 
>>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her 
>>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
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>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:10:56 -0400
>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> Message-ID: <4ACD9981DB694F8A90C22FD01A1AF2EF at SLJohnson>
>>>> 
>>>> Dar:
>>>> 
>>>>> From my experience you will definitely have better control with a
> shorter 
>>>> leach.  It seems that she is better when you are using the prong collar
> so 
>>>> that might have to be part of your daily bag of tricks with her.  Good
> luck 
>>>> with that very stubborn girl of yours.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: d m gina via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>>> I did the short leash,
>>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely 
>>>>> helps.
>>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse control.
> I
>>>>> don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on getting him
> to
>>>>> resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this more, but even
> the
>>>>> bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still tries to pick up
> stuff,
>>>>> but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we can actually walk all the
> 
>>>>> way
>>>>> across town without grabbing anything.
>>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
> I 
>>>>> am
>>>>> sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her 
>>>>> down
>>>>> outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> -- 
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:24:19 -0400
>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> Message-ID: <281ccc3d.6fbe.4b39.91d2.5ace5836d78b at samobile.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>> 
>>>> To take a cane with you and work a dog that is a handful, is hard to do.
>>>> I left cane home this morning to make sure she would do her job.
>>>> She did pretty well with all of the reminders.
>>>> Thanks Julie for working with me on small leashes.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Good job.  Sounds like you're making progress.  Maybe a few weeks of
> the old
>>>>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>>>> I did the short leash,
>>>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely
>>>>> helps.
>>>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>>>>>> control.  I don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on
>>>>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this
>>>>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still
>>>>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we
>>>>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
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>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
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>>>> -- 
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:34:46 -0400
>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> Message-ID: <3287E4B5BBF045E490B8000936508D06 at SLJohnson>
>>>> 
>>>> Dar:
>>>> 
>>>> It is fine if you decide not to use your support cane but I do not want
> you 
>>>> to fall without using it.  When I hold my cane in the right hand, I can 
>>>> still use the leash by holding it around my right wrist and then
> grabbing 
>>>> the cane.  If the leash is short enough it will be just enough that the
> dog 
>>>> will notice the slight pressure and know you will be ready if she does 
>>>> something wrong.  I did this when I first brought Eva home because he
> wanted 
>>>> to play with everyone.  Write me off list if you need a better
> explanation.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: d m gina via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:24 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>> To take a cane with you and work a dog that is a handful, is hard to do.
>>>> I left cane home this morning to make sure she would do her job.
>>>> She did pretty well with all of the reminders.
>>>> Thanks Julie for working with me on small leashes.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Good job.  Sounds like you're making progress.  Maybe a few weeks of
> the 
>>>>> old
>>>>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>>>> I did the short leash,
>>>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus is a diver, too.  A short leash definitely
>>>>> helps.
>>>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>>>>>> control.  I don't let him take food until I say OK.  I worked some on
>>>>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor.  I should work on this
>>>>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference.  He still
>>>>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to.  Sometimes, we
>>>>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> 
>>>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
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>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>> 
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>>>> -- 
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
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>>>> **************************************
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:29:43 -0400
>>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "'Tracy Carcione'" <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> 	Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> Message-ID: <01bc01d2c0fd$6d3f2780$47bd7680$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> 			I think I agree with you Tracey. It may work in
>>> those rare times where all someone speaks is legal but I'm not so sure it
>>> works well most of the time as people assume the government will take
> care
>>> of it, or that magic will happen and a building or situation that wasn't
>>> compliant, just becomes so. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:20 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview:
>>> Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> Huh.  When I was interviewing for jobs, well before the ADA, I didn't
> even
>>> think about whether or not I should bring my guide dog with me.  I just
> did
>>> it.  We come as a set, pretty much.  I don't recall any interview that
>>> didn't require considerable travel by bus or subway, plus walking through
>>> the city, so of course I used my dog.  My first dog went on so many job
>>> interviews that she learned to look for a reception desk as soon as we
>>> walked into an office building.  Smart girl.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I think the ADA just complicates things.
>>> 
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: NJAGDU [mailto:njagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger
> Kutsch
>>> via NJAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:41 PM
>>> To: New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Ginger Kutsch
>>> Subject: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public
> Access
>>> or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access or Reasonable
>>> Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> JAN e-news 2nd quarter 
>>> 
>>> URL: http://askjan.org/enews/2017/Enews-V15-I2.htm#1
>>> 
>>> Issues related to service animals in the workplace continue to confuse
> both
>>> employers and the individuals with disabilities who use the service
> animals,
>>> but one of the most confusing issues is whether a job applicant has a
> right
>>> to take a service animal to a job interview. The answer depends on
> whether
>>> the interview is part of a public event, such as a job fair, or a
> private,
>>> one on one interview in the employer's place of business. Why does it
> matter
>>> whether the job interview is public or private? It matters because there
> are
>>> different rules under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) related
> to
>>> service animals in public places versus places of employment. 
>>> 
>>> Public job fairs are typically covered by title II (state and local
>>> government) or title III (public accommodations) of ADA depending on who
>>> sponsors the fair.  They are usually open to anyone who wants to attend
> so
>>> they are considered public. Under titles II and III of the ADA,
> individuals
>>> with disabilities attending a public job fair have a right to take their
>>> service animals with them according to Department of Justice guidelines
>>> <https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html> .
>>> 
>>> For private, one on one job interviews, title I (employment) of the ADA
>>> applies, assuming the employer has at least 15 employees. Under title I,
>>> individuals with disabilities do not have an automatic right to bring a
>>> service animal to a job interview; bringing an animal into an employer's
>>> place of business is a form of reasonable accommodation, meaning the job
>>> applicant must ask to bring the service animal to the interview and the
>>> employer must consider the request. 
>>> 
>>> But what should an employer do if a job applicant shows up with a service
>>> animal without prior approval? From a practical standpoint, the best
> thing
>>> might be to go ahead and conduct the interview if possible and then
> discuss
>>> the service animal if the applicant is offered the job. This way, the
>>> employer focuses on the job applicant's qualifications and not on the
>>> employee's disability. In some cases, the employer might need to ask
> about
>>> the service animal as part of determining whether the applicant is
>>> qualified. For example, if the applicant is applying for a food service
> job,
>>> there will be work areas where the service animal is not allowed and the
>>> employer may need to make sure the applicant can perform the job without
> the
>>> service animal present at all times. For purposes of the job interview,
> this
>>> discussion should be brief and focused on job performance. 
>>> 
>>> For job applicants with disabilities who use service animals, there are a
>>> couple of different options for the job interview. First, the applicant
> can
>>> notify the employer that he/she uses a service animal and ask whether the
>>> service animal can be used during the job interview. Applicants should be
>>> prepared to provide medical documentation if the employer requests it;
> under
>>> the ADA, employers are allowed to require medical documentation when an
>>> applicant or employee requests an accommodation. Some employers try to
>>> minimize medical documentation related to accommodation requests for job
>>> interviews, so hopefully applicants will not be required to provide any,
> but
>>> it is good to be prepared. 
>>> 
>>> The other option is to not use the service animal during the job
> interview.
>>> Some people need their service animal with them at all times, but others
> are
>>> able to be without the service animal for brief periods and opt to wait
> to
>>> talk with an employer about the use of the service animal until after a
> job
>>> offer is secured. 
>>> 
>>> Also, there may be state laws related to service animal access that
> require
>>> employers to automatically allow job applicants to bring a service animal
> to
>>> the job interview. For information about state laws, see
>>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/51
>>> 
>>> - 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 10:39:11 -0500
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> 	Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> Message-ID: <005601d2c0fe$c0151900$403f4b00$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> I think the whole concept of being able to use your dog in regular public
>>> places but not in a one-on-one interview without disclosure/permission is
>>> what causes the dilemma.
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:28 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 			I wonder if the language "bring your dog" is what is
>>> confusing people. It's phrased like "bring your kid" as in "bring your
> kid
>>> to work day" where the children will not be performing any job functions.
>>> They are just there for decoration. 
>>> In Tracey's example, she needed her dog to get to and from the interview
> and
>>> presumably around the office. So she isn't "bringing her dog". 
>>> Personally, I would and have just used whatever mobility aid you needed
> and
>>> go do the interview. 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:29 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> Hi Becky.
>>> What Danielle says makes a lot of sense to me.
>>> I'd say that whether or not you bring your dog to an interview is up to
> you.
>>> Personally, I would, because I'd use him to get there in the first place.
>>> I think the article is right about discussing the dog in relation to the
>>> job, if and when you get it.  If you'd be working in food service, it
> would
>>> be reasonable for the employer to talk about where the dog would be while
>>> you're working with food.  But, if like me you're working in an office, I
>>> don't see that it would really come up.  I might say that the dog will be
>>> with me and under my control at all times.  And, of course, I'd be sure
> my
>>> dog was clean and well-behaved during the interview, but I always do
> those
>>> things anyway.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sabo
> via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:05 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Rebecca Sabo
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I have a job interview on Tuesday should or should not bring my guy dog
> with
>>> me. Also any suggestions would be great how to approach bringing my dog
> if I
>>> get the position Becky
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:20 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Huh.  When I was interviewing for jobs, well before the ADA, I didn't
> even
>>> think about whether or not I should bring my guide dog with me.  I just
> did
>>> it.  We come as a set, pretty much.  I don't recall any interview that
>>> didn't require considerable travel by bus or subway, plus walking through
>>> the city, so of course I used my dog.  My first dog went on so many job
>>> interviews that she learned to look for a reception desk as soon as we
>>> walked into an office building.  Smart girl.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I think the ADA just complicates things.
>>> 
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: NJAGDU [mailto:njagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger
> Kutsch
>>> via NJAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:41 PM
>>> To: New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Ginger Kutsch
>>> Subject: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public
> Access
>>> or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access or Reasonable
>>> Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> JAN e-news 2nd quarter 
>>> 
>>> URL: http://askjan.org/enews/2017/Enews-V15-I2.htm#1
>>> 
>>> Issues related to service animals in the workplace continue to confuse
> both
>>> employers and the individuals with disabilities who use the service
> animals,
>>> but one of the most confusing issues is whether a job applicant has a
> right
>>> to take a service animal to a job interview. The answer depends on
> whether
>>> the interview is part of a public event, such as a job fair, or a
> private,
>>> one on one interview in the employer's place of business. Why does it
> matter
>>> whether the job interview is public or private? It matters because there
> are
>>> different rules under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) related
> to
>>> service animals in public places versus places of employment. 
>>> 
>>> Public job fairs are typically covered by title II (state and local
>>> government) or title III (public accommodations) of ADA depending on who
>>> sponsors the fair.  They are usually open to anyone who wants to attend
> so
>>> they are considered public. Under titles II and III of the ADA,
> individuals
>>> with disabilities attending a public job fair have a right to take their
>>> service animals with them according to Department of Justice guidelines
>>> <https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html> .
>>> 
>>> For private, one on one job interviews, title I (employment) of the ADA
>>> applies, assuming the employer has at least 15 employees. Under title I,
>>> individuals with disabilities do not have an automatic right to bring a
>>> service animal to a job interview; bringing an animal into an employer's
>>> place of business is a form of reasonable accommodation, meaning the job
>>> applicant must ask to bring the service animal to the interview and the
>>> employer must consider the request. 
>>> 
>>> But what should an employer do if a job applicant shows up with a service
>>> animal without prior approval? From a practical standpoint, the best
> thing
>>> might be to go ahead and conduct the interview if possible and then
> discuss
>>> the service animal if the applicant is offered the job. This way, the
>>> employer focuses on the job applicant's qualifications and not on the
>>> employee's disability. In some cases, the employer might need to ask
> about
>>> the service animal as part of determining whether the applicant is
>>> qualified. For example, if the applicant is applying for a food service
> job,
>>> there will be work areas where the service animal is not allowed and the
>>> employer may need to make sure the applicant can perform the job without
> the
>>> service animal present at all times. For purposes of the job interview,
> this
>>> discussion should be brief and focused on job performance. 
>>> 
>>> For job applicants with disabilities who use service animals, there are a
>>> couple of different options for the job interview. First, the applicant
> can
>>> notify the employer that he/she uses a service animal and ask whether the
>>> service animal can be used during the job interview. Applicants should be
>>> prepared to provide medical documentation if the employer requests it;
> under
>>> the ADA, employers are allowed to require medical documentation when an
>>> applicant or employee requests an accommodation. Some employers try to
>>> minimize medical documentation related to accommodation requests for job
>>> interviews, so hopefully applicants will not be required to provide any,
> but
>>> it is good to be prepared. 
>>> 
>>> The other option is to not use the service animal during the job
> interview.
>>> Some people need their service animal with them at all times, but others
> are
>>> able to be without the service animal for brief periods and opt to wait
> to
>>> talk with an employer about the use of the service animal until after a
> job
>>> offer is secured. 
>>> 
>>> Also, there may be state laws related to service animal access that
> require
>>> employers to automatically allow job applicants to bring a service animal
> to
>>> the job interview. For information about state laws, see
>>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/51
>>> 
>>> - 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:41:20 -0400
>>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> 	Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> Message-ID: <01ee01d2c0ff$0cae03d0$260a0b70$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> 				You may be onto something, Cindy, but the
>>> language "bring your dog" sure doesn't help
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 11:39 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> I think the whole concept of being able to use your dog in regular public
>>> places but not in a one-on-one interview without disclosure/permission is
>>> what causes the dilemma.
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:28 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 			I wonder if the language "bring your dog" is what is
>>> confusing people. It's phrased like "bring your kid" as in "bring your
> kid
>>> to work day" where the children will not be performing any job functions.
>>> They are just there for decoration. 
>>> In Tracey's example, she needed her dog to get to and from the interview
> and
>>> presumably around the office. So she isn't "bringing her dog". 
>>> Personally, I would and have just used whatever mobility aid you needed
> and
>>> go do the interview. 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:29 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> Hi Becky.
>>> What Danielle says makes a lot of sense to me.
>>> I'd say that whether or not you bring your dog to an interview is up to
> you.
>>> Personally, I would, because I'd use him to get there in the first place.
>>> I think the article is right about discussing the dog in relation to the
>>> job, if and when you get it.  If you'd be working in food service, it
> would
>>> be reasonable for the employer to talk about where the dog would be while
>>> you're working with food.  But, if like me you're working in an office, I
>>> don't see that it would really come up.  I might say that the dog will be
>>> with me and under my control at all times.  And, of course, I'd be sure
> my
>>> dog was clean and well-behaved during the interview, but I always do
> those
>>> things anyway.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sabo
> via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:05 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Rebecca Sabo
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job
>>> Interview: Public Access or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I have a job interview on Tuesday should or should not bring my guy dog
> with
>>> me. Also any suggestions would be great how to approach bringing my dog
> if I
>>> get the position Becky
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:20 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Huh.  When I was interviewing for jobs, well before the ADA, I didn't
> even
>>> think about whether or not I should bring my guide dog with me.  I just
> did
>>> it.  We come as a set, pretty much.  I don't recall any interview that
>>> didn't require considerable travel by bus or subway, plus walking through
>>> the city, so of course I used my dog.  My first dog went on so many job
>>> interviews that she learned to look for a reception desk as soon as we
>>> walked into an office building.  Smart girl.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I think the ADA just complicates things.
>>> 
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: NJAGDU [mailto:njagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger
> Kutsch
>>> via NJAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:41 PM
>>> To: New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Ginger Kutsch
>>> Subject: [Njagdu] Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public
> Access
>>> or Reasonable Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Taking a Service Animal to a Job Interview: Public Access or Reasonable
>>> Accommodation?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> JAN e-news 2nd quarter 
>>> 
>>> URL: http://askjan.org/enews/2017/Enews-V15-I2.htm#1
>>> 
>>> Issues related to service animals in the workplace continue to confuse
> both
>>> employers and the individuals with disabilities who use the service
> animals,
>>> but one of the most confusing issues is whether a job applicant has a
> right
>>> to take a service animal to a job interview. The answer depends on
> whether
>>> the interview is part of a public event, such as a job fair, or a
> private,
>>> one on one interview in the employer's place of business. Why does it
> matter
>>> whether the job interview is public or private? It matters because there
> are
>>> different rules under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) related
> to
>>> service animals in public places versus places of employment. 
>>> 
>>> Public job fairs are typically covered by title II (state and local
>>> government) or title III (public accommodations) of ADA depending on who
>>> sponsors the fair.  They are usually open to anyone who wants to attend
> so
>>> they are considered public. Under titles II and III of the ADA,
> individuals
>>> with disabilities attending a public job fair have a right to take their
>>> service animals with them according to Department of Justice guidelines
>>> <https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html> .
>>> 
>>> For private, one on one job interviews, title I (employment) of the ADA
>>> applies, assuming the employer has at least 15 employees. Under title I,
>>> individuals with disabilities do not have an automatic right to bring a
>>> service animal to a job interview; bringing an animal into an employer's
>>> place of business is a form of reasonable accommodation, meaning the job
>>> applicant must ask to bring the service animal to the interview and the
>>> employer must consider the request. 
>>> 
>>> But what should an employer do if a job applicant shows up with a service
>>> animal without prior approval? From a practical standpoint, the best
> thing
>>> might be to go ahead and conduct the interview if possible and then
> discuss
>>> the service animal if the applicant is offered the job. This way, the
>>> employer focuses on the job applicant's qualifications and not on the
>>> employee's disability. In some cases, the employer might need to ask
> about
>>> the service animal as part of determining whether the applicant is
>>> qualified. For example, if the applicant is applying for a food service
> job,
>>> there will be work areas where the service animal is not allowed and the
>>> employer may need to make sure the applicant can perform the job without
> the
>>> service animal present at all times. For purposes of the job interview,
> this
>>> discussion should be brief and focused on job performance. 
>>> 
>>> For job applicants with disabilities who use service animals, there are a
>>> couple of different options for the job interview. First, the applicant
> can
>>> notify the employer that he/she uses a service animal and ask whether the
>>> service animal can be used during the job interview. Applicants should be
>>> prepared to provide medical documentation if the employer requests it;
> under
>>> the ADA, employers are allowed to require medical documentation when an
>>> applicant or employee requests an accommodation. Some employers try to
>>> minimize medical documentation related to accommodation requests for job
>>> interviews, so hopefully applicants will not be required to provide any,
> but
>>> it is good to be prepared. 
>>> 
>>> The other option is to not use the service animal during the job
> interview.
>>> Some people need their service animal with them at all times, but others
> are
>>> able to be without the service animal for brief periods and opt to wait
> to
>>> talk with an employer about the use of the service animal until after a
> job
>>> offer is secured. 
>>> 
>>> Also, there may be state laws related to service animal access that
> require
>>> employers to automatically allow job applicants to bring a service animal
> to
>>> the job interview. For information about state laws, see
>>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/51
>>> 
>>> - 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:41:49 -0700
>>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 22
>>> Message-ID: <AA6292A2-D55C-4F0C-893C-17C309615BDC at wolfskills.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>> 
>>> On Julie?s comment - I?ve written related comments recently.  Check out
> Dr. Becker.  You can subscribe to her newsletters.  She can be over the top
> like Dr. Mercola can be.  But deduct 30% from what they say and they are
> great.  These two are on a mission.  But always on health researchers and
> reading between the lines on common sense health and what can be done to
> promote or preserve it.  
>>> 
>>> Commercial dog food is frightening.  Most - almost all - of it - is crap.
> We spend the same money now on species appropriate raw (just a little
> morning and night, raw meat), because it is what they are built to eat.  The
> enzyme and biochemical content, unaltered, makes cleaner teeth, and cleans
> up dog breath to sweet in only two days.  That?s the first thing.  The
> second, is by now we?ve found only one brand we trust.  Origen (and their
> other label, Acana).  They are species appropriate, and high protein.  No
> scud meal, condemned animal parts, or inappropriate carbs.  As we understand
> it, it isn?t high protein that kills kidneys, it is phosphorus.    Our dogs
> self regulate their eating, perfect weight, and are bright and healthy.  
>>> 
>>> About the raw - organic only.  Now back to the spending part:  After
> premature animal death from diabetes in the past, traced to food, we?re done
> with that.  We spend the money now, with love, and we figure it will return
> two things:  the same money we would have spent on horrible vet bills on a
> dog that broke down prematurely and sickened, retired early, or died?and a
> bright, vibrant dog for their whole lives.  Spend the money now!  
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>> 
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. movie about dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>> 2. Re: Clipping dogs nails (Jean Menzies)
>>>> 3. Re: OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit (Becky Frankeberger)
>>>> 4. Re: The old goat (d m gina)
>>>> 5. Re: Clipping dogs nails (Jean Menzies)
>>>> 6. Re: Affordable dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>> 7. Re: Affordable dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 8. Re: Grooming Spray (Jean Menzies)
>>>> 9. :  Affordable dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>> 10. Re: :  Affordable dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 11. Re: OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit (Charlene Ota)
>>>> 12. Re: Grooming Spray (Afton roy anne Harper)
>>>> 13. Re: Grooming Spray (Afton roy anne Harper)
>>>> 14. Re: Grooming Spray (Afton roy anne Harper)
>>>> 15. Re: OK, i chose! (Shanna Stichler)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 14:04:40 -0500
>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] movie about dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <8c679c1c-54e0-0b2e-3cbd-7ec2d9f92337 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> I found a new movie on Netflix called: "Pet Fooled".  I've watched a bit
> 
>>>> of it, but had other things to do.  I'll finish it later today.  Anyway,
> 
>>>> it's about the pet food industry, what ingredients really are, what 
>>>> label terms actually mean, industry standards and species appropriate 
>>>> diets.   There is some information about the history of pet foods and 
>>>> they explain the large recalls that happened a few years ago.  So far 
>>>> it's been very informative.   If anyone else has watched it, I'd be 
>>>> interested in hearing your thoughts.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:57:29 -0700
>>>> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>> Message-ID: <F82B4E63AB204E59A85F068444219C16 at JeanLaptop>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>>> 	reply-type=original
>>>> 
>>>> For years I used the PetiCure Elite pet nail grinder. Sadly, though, it
> just 
>>>> gave up the ghost. I have just purchased a new corded nail grinder, but 
>>>> haven't tried it yet. The PetiCure is no longer being manufactured. I
> think 
>>>> any of the corded nail grinders would be fine. The one I just bought is
> from 
>>>> Sunbeam.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I never liked the hand clippers, but then maybe I just never
> had 
>>>> a good pair. lol.
>>>> 
>>>> I found the battery powered nail grinders were just too weak for
> labrador 
>>>> nails. They would be strong enough for cats and smaller dogs.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 1:37 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the replies everyone.  I think I will look for a good pair of
> 
>>>> clippers since that sounds like it will be the easiest for me to work
> with.
>>>> Jordan
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via 
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 11:37 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Vivianna
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jordan,
>>>> I grind my dog?s nails.  i use the dremmil tool for the task.  there are
> 
>>>> some grinders that are easier to use but, this one is pretty powerful
> and i 
>>>> get the job done quicker.
>>>> i tend to have to grind about every 2 weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> Vivianna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do blind people go about clipping their dogs nails?  Belto's
>>>>> dewclaws especially grow like weeds, and I would like to know how to
>>>>> go about clipping his nails and what tools people are using to do so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jordan
>>>>> 
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:03:41 -0700
>>>> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
>>>> Message-ID: <008701d2bada$606a45e0$213ed1a0$@comcast.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Dani, I did the same thing here and asked transit to take my retired
> guide
>>>> dog to the vet. They said fine as we have a long history of working with
>>>> them on committees and such. I was talking to someone and boy did I get
> an
>>>> ear full. I shall clean it up, lol. They said well did Baxter forget how
> to
>>>> guide. I said no of course not. They said then it is none of their
> business
>>>> why you are taking two guide dogs with you on the bus. 
>>>> 
>>>> Dani, I am not the brightest bulb, but that made more sense to me then I
>>>> first grasped. There are certainly people who work two service dogs to
>>>> mitigate different disabilities. Jake was young and frankly board to
> death
>>>> when we shopped. Baxter who loves to shop would guide me fine in any
> store
>>>> mall whatever, he just couldn't do the street work Jake was so
> incredible
>>>> doing.
>>>> 
>>>> So anyway, I put harnesses on both of them and off to the vet we went on
>>>> transit. 
>>>> 
>>>> Dani, I have several articles on aging dogs if you are interested.
>>>> 
>>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>>> 
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Becky and twelve year old Jake,  
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:01 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>>> Because Peggy is retired, the Paratransit customer service says I have
> to
>>>> put her in a kennel to transport her. I don't want to have her go
> through
>>>> that.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a friend who I pay to help take us to the vet when she needs to
> go
>>>> for vaccinations, or if something comes up that I can't take care of
> myself.
>>>> 
>>>> Especially now, with the anxiety thing going on, I don't want to add
>>>> anything.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dani
>>>> 
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:07:26 -0400
>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>> Message-ID: <ac20c82a.2b94.4970.8c3a.126b7c065282 at samobile.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>> 
>>>> Still want to know what a smart collar is, do I have it and not realize
> it?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Dar:
>>>> 
>>>>> Oh the temptations of all the smells that come out in the spring.  Some
> dogs
>>>>> just can't resist sniffing out everything.  It is a good idea to go
> back to
>>>>> the prong collar if it gives you better control over your stubborn goat
> in a
>>>>> dog suit.  Good luck with her.
>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: d m gina via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:48 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>> 
>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>> Have fun.
>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
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>>>> ------------------------------
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>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:09:11 -0700
>>>> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>> Message-ID: <E9A4F0FA8C3F4DCA8B3F2E5106B583CF at JeanLaptop>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>>> 	reply-type=original
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, take some time to get the dog used to it at first. Just one touch
> to a 
>>>> nail and then move on. Maybe only one foot. Depends on the dog's
> response. 
>>>> Make it a happy time with praise and treats if that's what works for
> you. My 
>>>> guide and our pet are good with it now. When I get the grinder out, they
> 
>>>> both come over. They don't like it, but they know it will happen. Plus
> they 
>>>> always get treats at the end even now. My guide even looks away when I
> do 
>>>> his front feet. lol. Kind of like people who look away when it's time to
> get 
>>>> a nedle.
>>>> 
>>>> Jean
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:41 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>> 
>>>> No, I'm a rough old customer.  I just hand out kibble, praise, and scold
> him 
>>>> when he wiggles.
>>>> At first, I had to put my leg over him, while he was lying down, to hold
> him 
>>>> still.  He still wiggles a bit when I do the front paws.  But he knows
> he 
>>>> gets a kibble for each paw when it's done, and a jackpot at the end, so
> he's 
>>>> good.
>>>> I just touch the grinder to the nail for a short time, then take it off,
> 
>>>> then touch again.  The vibration doesn't seem to be too bad.  And, since
> I 
>>>> do nails faithfully every week, it's not a long job.
>>>> I use escalators occasionally, and I really like having total control
> over 
>>>> the length of my dog's nails.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville
> via 
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:02 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Lisa Belville
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>> 
>>>> Tracy, how did you get your dogs used to the noise and vibration?  I'm 
>>>> guessing you used a ton of praise and treats and didn't do any major 
>>>> trimming for the first few times the dog was exposed.
>>>> 
>>>> Lisa
>>>> 
>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>> IF THE HOUSEWORK IS DONE - THEN THE COMPUTER IS Broken!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Lisa.
>>>>> I feel wimpy about nail clipping, too, which is why I chose the Dremmel
>>>>> for grinding my dog's nails.  I've been using the grinder for 20 years
>>>>> now, and haven't hurt a dog.  I just have to pay attention to the heat
> it
>>>>> causes, as Julie explained.  It's not my dog's favorite thing, but a
>>>>> little kibble goes a long way to making it OK by him.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa
> Belville
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:35 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Lisa Belville
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jenine and all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any of you who can clip your dogs nails are awesome.  I'm too big of a
>>>>> wuss to do it. Plus I've had two dogs get badly cut by sighted nail
>>>>> trimmers, one was even a vet tech.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One thing I'd suggest for anyone is to get your dogs used to having
> their
>>>>> feet handled. This should have already been done as it's part of basic
>>>>> socialization, but most of us will need to do the work by touch, so
>>>>> knowing what your dogs feet feel like and having them get accustomed to
> us
>>>>> handling their feet and toes will help, too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lisa
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>>> IF THE HOUSEWORK IS DONE - THEN THE COMPUTER IS Broken!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jenine Stanley via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at icloud.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 2:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Clipping dogs nails
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jordan,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have done the nails for both of our dogs for a while now, since the
>>>>>> late
>>>>>> ?90?s in fact.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Right now I?m using a set of Miller?s Forge clippers with a guard but
> I
>>>>>> don?t like the guard because I can?t feel how much nail is in the
>>>>>> clipping
>>>>>> area or in what position/angle that nail is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The key is to be confident about this. If you are anxious that you
> will
>>>>>> trim too much and cut into the vein, you probably eventually will and
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> dog will sense it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like clippers with a scissor action rather than a guillotine action.
>>>>>> this means that both blades move past each other slightly to cut the
>>>>>> nail.
>>>>>> It just gives you more flexibility in positioning.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have used the Dremel and the PediPaws tools and if the PediPaws had
> a
>>>>>> corded version, I?d buy it in a heartbeat. The larger grinding area
> and
>>>>>> nicely designed guard really allow you to sculpt the nail. This is
> good
>>>>>> for dewclaws that sometimes grow oddly. The PediPaws takes 2 C
> batteries
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think and just doesn?t have enough power for really thick hard nails.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My current guy has not had his nails ground yet and despite clipping
> him
>>>>>> once and drawing blood, we got past that and he now sits on my lap to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> all 4 nails clipped. I wish my husband?s dog was that easy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you want to try this though, get a dowel rod and a pair of Miller?s
>>>>>> Forge clippers, get 2 pairs, they?r not expensive, and practice on the
>>>>>> dowel rod first.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do not try to clip nails when in a hurry or in a bad mood, she says
> from
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How do blind people go about clipping their dogs nails?  Belto's
>>>>>>> dewclaws
>>>>>>> especially grow like weeds, and I would like to know how to go about
>>>>>>> clipping his nails and what tools people are using to do so.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:02:43 -0400
>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <20E5F03E401D404E91F07AC19E669FDF at SLJohnson>
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for pointing out the fact that not all blind people can afford
> the 
>>>> high end dog foods.  However we do want our dogs to be as healthy as 
>>>> possible.  Sometimes on this list it feels like people are saying if we
> do 
>>>> not feed these high quality foods we are not taking good care of our
> dogs. 
>>>> It feels like some of you are saying that having a guide dog is only for
> 
>>>> those who are lucky enough to have lots of money.  Well, that is not the
> 
>>>> case for many of us.  We all know the unemployment and low wages for the
> 
>>>> blind.  I am a retired senior with additional disabilities in addition
> to 
>>>> blindness.  After rent and utilities there isn't much left so I have to
> do 
>>>> my best to find affordable products for myself, my home and my guide
> dog.  I 
>>>> suggest to anyone getting a new dog that they discuss their dog's diet
> with 
>>>> the school and the vet once you have your dog home.  I did this and the 
>>>> school and my vet said that Purina products are of good quality and
> suitable 
>>>> for a working dog.  I always discuss the dog food choices with my vet at
> 
>>>> every visit just in case we want to make a change.  It is possible to
> feed a 
>>>> guide dog on a very low budget.  Of course the other concern for those
> of us 
>>>> with limited income is the high cost of heartworm, flea prevention, 
>>>> vaccinations and vet care.  It is too bad there is not any financial 
>>>> assistance to help low income guide dog handlers with these expenses. 
>>>> Please do not discourage anyone from applying for a guide dog just
> because 
>>>> they are living on a very limited income
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:17 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Peter, sometimes people simply can't do what you are suggesting, so we
> are
>>>> looking for inexpensive dogfoods here that people can afford. Dogs can
>>>> thrive on these foods; some will become ill anyway, so I think we need
> to
>>>> continue helping the person find the inexpensive dogfoods that she needs
> in
>>>> order to have a dog right now. Maybe one day she can afford more.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf
> via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:22 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> After losing a cat to diabetes years ago and tracing it to carb content
> in
>>>> food, we learned about commercial food. - Now we bite the bullet and
> spend
>>>> the money on super high end dog food.  Organic, clean and multi source
>>>> protein.  A lot of money.  Raw chicken, raw other meats, and a bowl out
> of
>>>> Origen or Acana.  A big bag is w-a-y more than commercial brands.  But
> we
>>>> believe from our research In the long run, we may spend the same amount
> of
>>>> money on food for life, as we might on horrific vet bills for a
> prematurely
>>>> ill or dying dog.  Think about it.  We really think it is worth it.
> Perhaps
>>>> consider at least cutting commercial food with healthier stuff if it is
> all
>>>> you can afford.  Check out Dr. Becker's online vet commentaries.  Hey
> she
>>>> has too much to day like Dr. Mercola does for humans; both can be a
> little
>>>> alarmist sometimes.  But they generally have excellent information with
>>>> longevity as the main interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>> 
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>> 2. Re: economical dog food (Aleeha Dudley)
>>>>> 3. Re: economical dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>>> 4. Re: economical dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 5. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>> 6. Re: economical dog food (Jody ianuzzi)
>>>>> 7. The old goat (d m gina)
>>>>> 8. Re: The old goat (Chantel Cuddemi)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:49:51 -0400
>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <6B85FF7E26434B0AA1F967B3F2C411B3 at SLJohnson>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about the
>>>>> nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other
>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and
>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I asked
>>>>> my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.  The
>>>>> lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly
>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found at
>>>>> www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on some
>>>>> of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free shipping if
>>>>> you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your friend.  Having to
>>>>> take care of a guide dog is a real concern for those of us on very low
>>>> incomes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>> would be great!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the
> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:04:40 -0500
>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <49AAF162-EA19-44F6-A115-2613D6A7A9F9 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not
> have
>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog.
> There
>>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
> differently.
>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well,
> about
>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does
> extremely
>>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good
> food,
>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about
>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other
>>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and
>>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I
>>>>>> asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.
>>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly
>>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found
>>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on
>>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free
>>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your
>>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for
> those
>>>> of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the
> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:22:33 -0500
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <c797dfbd-77c1-ad5e-1caa-0a4ab7947842 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
> term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog
> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <02a801d2b926$7f87fcc0$7e97f640$@gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I'm buying Iams Senior on a monthly basis for about $60 for 52
>>>>> pounds, but I guess that's pretty high. At The Seeing Eye once they
>>>>> said that the difference between Purena 1 and one of the other premium
>>>>> Purena dog foods was that the formula was more consistent. Anyway, it
> is a
>>>> hard decision.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
> term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog
> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
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>>>>> m
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:16:51 -0400
>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <29ED927D0AA74AFCB9CA0A72DA17F10C at SLJohnson>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh my goodness, $70 for 20 pounds.  I am sure there are a lot of us
>>>>> who cannot afford that kind of food.  I just checked the Rural King
>>>>> website www.ruralking.com.  They have the Purina Dog Chow Complete 46
>>>>> pound bag for $19.99.  I do not know what the shipping price would be
>>>>> since I get mine from their store in my area.  They also offer a large
>>>>> selection of other dry dog foods as well as bones and treats.  Believe
>>>>> me without these low prices I could not afford to feed my guide dog
>>>>> either.  Unfortunately rent and utilities keep going way up but the
>>>>> income stays the same.  It is too bad that the guide dog schools do
>>>>> not offer some kind of discount coupons or stipend to help graduates,
>>>> especially retired seniors,  on very low incomes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra  -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:22 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
> term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog
> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:34:09 -0400
>>>>> From: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <E86F74B0-EBE4-48E6-BA56-E1D7397A187F at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Truly is a great resource for food and their prices and shipping is
> great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can also get dog food from Amazon. Pierina pro plan is $39 and
>>>>> Pierina one is $29. Shipping is free
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jody
>>>>> 
>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 50 Years of Star Trek!
>>>>> Live Long and Prosper!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not
> have
>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog.
> There
>>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
> differently.
>>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well,
> about
>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does
> extremely
>>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good
> food,
>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about
>>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used
>>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina
>>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per
>>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed
>>>>>>> expensive foods.  The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog
>>>>>>> Chow are perfectly suitable.  More information about the Purina dry
>>>>>>> foods can be found at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry
>>>>>>> dog foods search on some of the other dog food websites.  Some
>>>>>>> companies offer free shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope
>>>>>>> this helps your friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real
>>>> concern for those of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the
> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is
> okay
>>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:48:58 -0400
>>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>> Message-ID: <d29dc475.1d02.4102.b5ba.81d6494b85b5 at samobile.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 04:14:50 ?
>>>>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CANCNGQJ2N3X_spiUTFAsGMHjH_8hciT????v?@mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you thought about using the smart collar instead? It's a plastic
>>>>> collar that has points on it. It's a collar that goes higher up on the
>>>>> dogs ears.
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:15:20 -0500
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <004401d2badc$00c222a0$024667e0$@gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> I am not sure the dog originally being discussed was going to be a guide
>>>> dog, but the discussion could lead to discouragement. Check out
> companies
>>>> where some of the products are manufactured. Sometimes they offer
> discounts
>>>> to people with service animals. Also, if a person watches for sales it
> would
>>>> be possible to get the food or whatever cheaper. Probably not so much
> the
>>>> medicines.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson
> via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:03 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for pointing out the fact that not all blind people can afford
> the
>>>> high end dog foods.  However we do want our dogs to be as healthy as
>>>> possible.  Sometimes on this list it feels like people are saying if we
> do
>>>> not feed these high quality foods we are not taking good care of our
> dogs. 
>>>> It feels like some of you are saying that having a guide dog is only for
>>>> those who are lucky enough to have lots of money.  Well, that is not the
>>>> case for many of us.  We all know the unemployment and low wages for the
>>>> blind.  I am a retired senior with additional disabilities in addition
> to
>>>> blindness.  After rent and utilities there isn't much left so I have to
> do
>>>> my best to find affordable products for myself, my home and my guide
> dog.  I
>>>> suggest to anyone getting a new dog that they discuss their dog's diet
> with
>>>> the school and the vet once you have your dog home.  I did this and the
>>>> school and my vet said that Purina products are of good quality and
> suitable
>>>> for a working dog.  I always discuss the dog food choices with my vet at
>>>> every visit just in case we want to make a change.  It is possible to
> feed a
>>>> guide dog on a very low budget.  Of course the other concern for those
> of us
>>>> with limited income is the high cost of heartworm, flea prevention,
>>>> vaccinations and vet care.  It is too bad there is not any financial
>>>> assistance to help low income guide dog handlers with these expenses. 
>>>> Please do not discourage anyone from applying for a guide dog just
> because
>>>> they are living on a very limited income
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:17 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Peter, sometimes people simply can't do what you are suggesting, so we
> are
>>>> looking for inexpensive dogfoods here that people can afford. Dogs can
>>>> thrive on these foods; some will become ill anyway, so I think we need
> to
>>>> continue helping the person find the inexpensive dogfoods that she needs
> in
>>>> order to have a dog right now. Maybe one day she can afford more.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf
> via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:22 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> After losing a cat to diabetes years ago and tracing it to carb content
> in
>>>> food, we learned about commercial food. - Now we bite the bullet and
> spend
>>>> the money on super high end dog food.  Organic, clean and multi source
>>>> protein.  A lot of money.  Raw chicken, raw other meats, and a bowl out
> of
>>>> Origen or Acana.  A big bag is w-a-y more than commercial brands.  But
> we
>>>> believe from our research In the long run, we may spend the same amount
> of
>>>> money on food for life, as we might on horrific vet bills for a
> prematurely
>>>> ill or dying dog.  Think about it.  We really think it is worth it.
> Perhaps
>>>> consider at least cutting commercial food with healthier stuff if it is
> all
>>>> you can afford.  Check out Dr. Becker's online vet commentaries.  Hey
> she
>>>> has too much to day like Dr. Mercola does for humans; both can be a
> little
>>>> alarmist sometimes.  But they generally have excellent information with
>>>> longevity as the main interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>> 
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>> 2. Re: economical dog food (Aleeha Dudley)
>>>>> 3. Re: economical dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>>> 4. Re: economical dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 5. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>> 6. Re: economical dog food (Jody ianuzzi)
>>>>> 7. The old goat (d m gina)
>>>>> 8. Re: The old goat (Chantel Cuddemi)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:49:51 -0400
>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <6B85FF7E26434B0AA1F967B3F2C411B3 at SLJohnson>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about the 
>>>>> nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other 
>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and 
>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I asked 
>>>>> my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.  The 
>>>>> lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found at 
>>>>> www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on some 
>>>>> of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free shipping if 
>>>>> you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your friend.  Having to 
>>>>> take care of a guide dog is a real concern for those of us on very low
>>>> incomes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>>>> would be great!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>>> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> st.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:04:40 -0500
>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <49AAF162-EA19-44F6-A115-2613D6A7A9F9 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
>>>>> have
>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog.
> There
>>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
> differently.
>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
>>>>> about
>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does
> extremely
>>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
>>>>> food,
>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other 
>>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and 
>>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I 
>>>>>> asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.
>>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
>>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found 
>>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on 
>>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free 
>>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your 
>>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for 
>>>>>> those
>>>> of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>>>> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:22:33 -0500
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <c797dfbd-77c1-ad5e-1caa-0a4ab7947842 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every 
>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
> term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>>> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <02a801d2b926$7f87fcc0$7e97f640$@gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I'm buying Iams Senior on a monthly basis for about $60 for 52 
>>>>> pounds, but I guess that's pretty high. At The Seeing Eye once they 
>>>>> said that the difference between Purena 1 and one of the other premium 
>>>>> Purena dog foods was that the formula was more consistent. Anyway, it 
>>>>> is a
>>>> hard decision.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie 
>>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every 
>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
> term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>>> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
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>>>>> m
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:16:51 -0400
>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <29ED927D0AA74AFCB9CA0A72DA17F10C at SLJohnson>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh my goodness, $70 for 20 pounds.  I am sure there are a lot of us 
>>>>> who cannot afford that kind of food.  I just checked the Rural King 
>>>>> website www.ruralking.com.  They have the Purina Dog Chow Complete 46 
>>>>> pound bag for $19.99.  I do not know what the shipping price would be 
>>>>> since I get mine from their store in my area.  They also offer a large 
>>>>> selection of other dry dog foods as well as bones and treats.  Believe 
>>>>> me without these low prices I could not afford to feed my guide dog 
>>>>> either.  Unfortunately rent and utilities keep going way up but the 
>>>>> income stays the same.  It is too bad that the guide dog schools do 
>>>>> not offer some kind of discount coupons or stipend to help graduates,
>>>> especially retired seniors,  on very low incomes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra  -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:22 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every 
>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
> term.
>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>>> food
>>>> than you
>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:34:09 -0400
>>>>> From: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>> Message-ID: <E86F74B0-EBE4-48E6-BA56-E1D7397A187F at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Truly is a great resource for food and their prices and shipping is
> great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can also get dog food from Amazon. Pierina pro plan is $39 and 
>>>>> Pierina one is $29. Shipping is free
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jody
>>>>> 
>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 50 Years of Star Trek!
>>>>> Live Long and Prosper!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
>>>>>> have
>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog.
> There
>>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
> differently.
>>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
>>>>>> about
>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does
> extremely
>>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
>>>>>> food,
>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU 
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices 
>>>>>>> on
>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used 
>>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina 
>>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per 
>>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed 
>>>>>>> expensive foods.  The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog 
>>>>>>> Chow are perfectly suitable.  More information about the Purina dry 
>>>>>>> foods can be found at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry 
>>>>>>> dog foods search on some of the other dog food websites.  Some 
>>>>>>> companies offer free shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope 
>>>>>>> this helps your friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a 
>>>>>>> real
>>>> concern for those of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>>>>> dog
>>>> home.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is
> okay
>>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:48:58 -0400
>>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>> Message-ID: <d29dc475.1d02.4102.b5ba.81d6494b85b5 at samobile.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 04:14:50 ?
>>>>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CANCNGQJ2N3X_spiUTFAsGMHjH_8hciT????v?@mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you thought about using the smart collar instead? It's a plastic 
>>>>> collar that has points on it. It's a collar that goes higher up on the 
>>>>> dogs ears.
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:29:52 -0700
>>>> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>>> Message-ID: <882C221C7063458C8999C6C3E955A348 at JeanLaptop>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> 	reply-type=original
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>> 
>>>> Long time no chat. Hope all is well with you and the pack of goldens.
>>>> 
>>>> I just looked up "the stuff", and there really is a grooming spray
> called 
>>>> that. Hahahaha. Cool name. A question. Can you spray this on as a 
>>>> pregrooming spray as well? Can it stay on the coat, or does it have to
> be 
>>>> rinsd off.
>>>> 
>>>> Jean
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Bryan Gearry via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:35 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry ; Elise Berkley
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>>> 
>>>> Use "The Stuff".
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Elise Berkley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It has been so long since I posted to the list, and I am truly sorry. 
>>>>> School has kept Becky and I very busy. I try to groom her everyday.
> But, 
>>>>> when I do, she still has some of her coat that sticks up. It is the
> area 
>>>>> right under her neck area, going towards her back and tail area. This 
>>>>> might be vain, but is there any suggestion as to a grooming spray that 
>>>>> will help her coat to lie flat and even? I know, she is a diva in so
> many 
>>>>> ways, and I just want her to look well kept. Thanks, and I look forward
> to 
>>>>> your suggestions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elise and Becky, Long Beach, California
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:32:18 -0500
>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] :  Affordable dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <7a7191cc-bbb2-c902-a6fe-8555a6d2f1c1 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, the original dog being discussed will be a guide dog, or at least 
>>>> that is the plan.  She will be owner training with my help. So there is 
>>>> no school to consult to suggest a food.
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> On 4/21/2017 3:15 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> I am not sure the dog originally being discussed was going to be a
> guide
>>>>> dog, but the discussion could lead to discouragement. Check out
> companies
>>>>> where some of the products are manufactured. Sometimes they offer
> discounts
>>>>> to people with service animals. Also, if a person watches for sales it
> would
>>>>> be possible to get the food or whatever cheaper. Probably not so much
> the
>>>>> medicines.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson
> via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:03 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for pointing out the fact that not all blind people can afford
> the
>>>>> high end dog foods.  However we do want our dogs to be as healthy as
>>>>> possible.  Sometimes on this list it feels like people are saying if we
> do
>>>>> not feed these high quality foods we are not taking good care of our
> dogs.
>>>>> It feels like some of you are saying that having a guide dog is only
> for
>>>>> those who are lucky enough to have lots of money.  Well, that is not
> the
>>>>> case for many of us.  We all know the unemployment and low wages for
> the
>>>>> blind.  I am a retired senior with additional disabilities in addition
> to
>>>>> blindness.  After rent and utilities there isn't much left so I have to
> do
>>>>> my best to find affordable products for myself, my home and my guide
> dog.  I
>>>>> suggest to anyone getting a new dog that they discuss their dog's diet
> with
>>>>> the school and the vet once you have your dog home.  I did this and the
>>>>> school and my vet said that Purina products are of good quality and
> suitable
>>>>> for a working dog.  I always discuss the dog food choices with my vet
> at
>>>>> every visit just in case we want to make a change.  It is possible to
> feed a
>>>>> guide dog on a very low budget.  Of course the other concern for those
> of us
>>>>> with limited income is the high cost of heartworm, flea prevention,
>>>>> vaccinations and vet care.  It is too bad there is not any financial
>>>>> assistance to help low income guide dog handlers with these expenses.
>>>>> Please do not discourage anyone from applying for a guide dog just
> because
>>>>> they are living on a very limited income
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:17 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter, sometimes people simply can't do what you are suggesting, so we
> are
>>>>> looking for inexpensive dogfoods here that people can afford. Dogs can
>>>>> thrive on these foods; some will become ill anyway, so I think we need
> to
>>>>> continue helping the person find the inexpensive dogfoods that she
> needs in
>>>>> order to have a dog right now. Maybe one day she can afford more.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf
> via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:22 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> After losing a cat to diabetes years ago and tracing it to carb content
> in
>>>>> food, we learned about commercial food. - Now we bite the bullet and
> spend
>>>>> the money on super high end dog food.  Organic, clean and multi source
>>>>> protein.  A lot of money.  Raw chicken, raw other meats, and a bowl out
> of
>>>>> Origen or Acana.  A big bag is w-a-y more than commercial brands.  But
> we
>>>>> believe from our research In the long run, we may spend the same amount
> of
>>>>> money on food for life, as we might on horrific vet bills for a
> prematurely
>>>>> ill or dying dog.  Think about it.  We really think it is worth it.
> Perhaps
>>>>> consider at least cutting commercial food with healthier stuff if it is
> all
>>>>> you can afford.  Check out Dr. Becker's online vet commentaries.  Hey
> she
>>>>> has too much to day like Dr. Mercola does for humans; both can be a
> little
>>>>> alarmist sometimes.  But they generally have excellent information with
>>>>> longevity as the main interest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>>> 2. Re: economical dog food (Aleeha Dudley)
>>>>>> 3. Re: economical dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>>>> 4. Re: economical dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>>>> 5. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>>> 6. Re: economical dog food (Jody ianuzzi)
>>>>>> 7. The old goat (d m gina)
>>>>>> 8. Re: The old goat (Chantel Cuddemi)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:49:51 -0400
>>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <6B85FF7E26434B0AA1F967B3F2C411B3 at SLJohnson>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about the
>>>>>> nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other
>>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and
>>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I asked
>>>>>> my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.  The
>>>>>> lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly
>>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found at
>>>>>> www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on some
>>>>>> of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free shipping if
>>>>>> you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your friend.  Having to
>>>>>> take care of a guide dog is a real concern for those of us on very low
>>>>> incomes.
>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the
>>>>>> dog
>>>>> home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> NAGDU:
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>>>>>> st.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:04:40 -0500
>>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <49AAF162-EA19-44F6-A115-2613D6A7A9F9 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not
>>>>>> have
>>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog.
> There
>>>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
> differently.
>>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well,
>>>>>> about
>>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does
> extremely
>>>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good
>>>>>> food,
>>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about
>>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other
>>>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and
>>>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I
>>>>>>> asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.
>>>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly
>>>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found
>>>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on
>>>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free
>>>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your
>>>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for
>>>>>>> those
>>>>> of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>> home.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is
> okay
>>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>>> NAGDU:
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>>>>>>> ast.net
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>>>>> 0gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:22:33 -0500
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <c797dfbd-77c1-ad5e-1caa-0a4ab7947842 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
> term.
>>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog
>>>>>> food
>>>>> than you
>>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend
> Old
>>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:33 -0500
>>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <02a801d2b926$7f87fcc0$7e97f640$@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, I'm buying Iams Senior on a monthly basis for about $60 for 52
>>>>>> pounds, but I guess that's pretty high. At The Seeing Eye once they
>>>>>> said that the difference between Purena 1 and one of the other premium
>>>>>> Purena dog foods was that the formula was more consistent. Anyway, it
>>>>>> is a
>>>>> hard decision.
>>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
> term.
>>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog
>>>>>> food
>>>>> than you
>>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend
> Old
>>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> NAGDU:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.co
>>>>>> m
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:16:51 -0400
>>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <29ED927D0AA74AFCB9CA0A72DA17F10C at SLJohnson>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh my goodness, $70 for 20 pounds.  I am sure there are a lot of us
>>>>>> who cannot afford that kind of food.  I just checked the Rural King
>>>>>> website www.ruralking.com.  They have the Purina Dog Chow Complete 46
>>>>>> pound bag for $19.99.  I do not know what the shipping price would be
>>>>>> since I get mine from their store in my area.  They also offer a large
>>>>>> selection of other dry dog foods as well as bones and treats.  Believe
>>>>>> me without these low prices I could not afford to feed my guide dog
>>>>>> either.  Unfortunately rent and utilities keep going way up but the
>>>>>> income stays the same.  It is too bad that the guide dog schools do
>>>>>> not offer some kind of discount coupons or stipend to help graduates,
>>>>> especially retired seniors,  on very low incomes.
>>>>>> Sandra  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:22 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is
>>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every
>>>>>> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long
> term.
>>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food
>>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry
>>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog
>>>>>> food
>>>>> than you
>>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend
> Old
>>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's
>>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> NAGDU:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sljohnson25%40comca
>>>>>> st.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:34:09 -0400
>>>>>> From: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <E86F74B0-EBE4-48E6-BA56-E1D7397A187F at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Truly is a great resource for food and their prices and shipping is
> great.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can also get dog food from Amazon. Pierina pro plan is $39 and
>>>>>> Pierina one is $29. Shipping is free
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jody
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 50 Years of Star Trek!
>>>>>> Live Long and Prosper!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not
>>>>>>> have
>>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog.
> There
>>>>> are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
> differently.
>>>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well,
>>>>>>> about
>>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
>>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does
> extremely
>>>>> well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good
>>>>>>> food,
>>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery
>>>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most
>>>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes
>>>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at
>>>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about
>>>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used
>>>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina
>>>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per
>>>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed
>>>>>>>> expensive foods.  The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog
>>>>>>>> Chow are perfectly suitable.  More information about the Purina dry
>>>>>>>> foods can be found at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry
>>>>>>>> dog foods search on some of the other dog food websites.  Some
>>>>>>>> companies offer free shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope
>>>>>>>> this helps your friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a
>>>>>>>> real
>>>>> concern for those of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a
>>>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is
> okay
>>>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to
> 60
>>>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>> NAGDU:
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sljohnson25%40com
>>>>>>>> cast.net
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>> NAGDU:
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>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>>>>> 0gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:48:58 -0400
>>>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>>> Message-ID: <d29dc475.1d02.4102.b5ba.81d6494b85b5 at samobile.net>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 04:14:50 ?
>>>>>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CANCNGQJ2N3X_spiUTFAsGMHjH_8hciT????v?@mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have you thought about using the smart collar instead? It's a plastic
>>>>>> collar that has points on it. It's a collar that goes higher up on the
>>>>>> dogs ears.
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 10
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:39:30 -0500
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] :  Affordable dog food
>>>> Message-ID: <005501d2badf$60a5fd10$21f1f730$@gmail.com>
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>>>> 
>>>> Oh, Julie, I am sorry. I had forgotten that you had said the dog will be
> a
>>>> guide. My bad. Even so, I say we want to be careful about the
> possibility of
>>>> discouraging someone from getting a guide dog or from training their
> own.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmaikl.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson
> via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:32 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] : Affordable dog food
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, the original dog being discussed will be a guide dog, or at least
> that
>>>> is the plan.  She will be owner training with my help. So there is no
> school
>>>> to consult to suggest a food.
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> On 4/21/2017 3:15 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> I am not sure the dog originally being discussed was going to be a 
>>>>> guide dog, but the discussion could lead to discouragement. Check out 
>>>>> companies where some of the products are manufactured. Sometimes they 
>>>>> offer discounts to people with service animals. Also, if a person 
>>>>> watches for sales it would be possible to get the food or whatever 
>>>>> cheaper. Probably not so much the medicines.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson 
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:03 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for pointing out the fact that not all blind people can afford 
>>>>> the high end dog foods.  However we do want our dogs to be as healthy 
>>>>> as possible.  Sometimes on this list it feels like people are saying 
>>>>> if we do not feed these high quality foods we are not taking good care
> of
>>>> our dogs.
>>>>> It feels like some of you are saying that having a guide dog is only 
>>>>> for those who are lucky enough to have lots of money.  Well, that is 
>>>>> not the case for many of us.  We all know the unemployment and low 
>>>>> wages for the blind.  I am a retired senior with additional 
>>>>> disabilities in addition to blindness.  After rent and utilities there 
>>>>> isn't much left so I have to do my best to find affordable products 
>>>>> for myself, my home and my guide dog.  I suggest to anyone getting a 
>>>>> new dog that they discuss their dog's diet with the school and the vet 
>>>>> once you have your dog home.  I did this and the school and my vet 
>>>>> said that Purina products are of good quality and suitable for a 
>>>>> working dog.  I always discuss the dog food choices with my vet at 
>>>>> every visit just in case we want to make a change.  It is possible to 
>>>>> feed a guide dog on a very low budget.  Of course the other concern 
>>>>> for those of us with limited income is the high cost of heartworm, 
>>>>> flea prevention, vaccinations and vet care.  It is too bad there is not
>>>> any financial assistance to help low income guide dog handlers with
> these
>>>> expenses.
>>>>> Please do not discourage anyone from applying for a guide dog just 
>>>>> because they are living on a very limited income
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:17 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter, sometimes people simply can't do what you are suggesting, so we 
>>>>> are looking for inexpensive dogfoods here that people can afford. Dogs 
>>>>> can thrive on these foods; some will become ill anyway, so I think we 
>>>>> need to continue helping the person find the inexpensive dogfoods that 
>>>>> she needs in order to have a dog right now. Maybe one day she can
> afford
>>>> more.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf 
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:22 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> After losing a cat to diabetes years ago and tracing it to carb 
>>>>> content in food, we learned about commercial food. - Now we bite the 
>>>>> bullet and spend the money on super high end dog food.  Organic, clean 
>>>>> and multi source protein.  A lot of money.  Raw chicken, raw other 
>>>>> meats, and a bowl out of Origen or Acana.  A big bag is w-a-y more 
>>>>> than commercial brands.  But we believe from our research In the long 
>>>>> run, we may spend the same amount of money on food for life, as we 
>>>>> might on horrific vet bills for a prematurely ill or dying dog.  Think 
>>>>> about it.  We really think it is worth it.  Perhaps consider at least 
>>>>> cutting commercial food with healthier stuff if it is all you can 
>>>>> afford.  Check out Dr. Becker's online vet commentaries.  Hey she has 
>>>>> too much to day like Dr. Mercola does for humans; both can be a little 
>>>>> alarmist sometimes.  But they generally have excellent information with
>>>> longevity as the main interest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 5:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>>> 2. Re: economical dog food (Aleeha Dudley)
>>>>>> 3. Re: economical dog food (Julie Johnson)
>>>>>> 4. Re: economical dog food (Cindy Ray)
>>>>>> 5. Re: economical dog food (S L Johnson)
>>>>>> 6. Re: economical dog food (Jody ianuzzi)
>>>>>> 7. The old goat (d m gina)
>>>>>> 8. Re: The old goat (Chantel Cuddemi)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:49:51 -0400
>>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <6B85FF7E26434B0AA1F967B3F2C411B3 at SLJohnson>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
>>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other 
>>>>>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and 
>>>>>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I 
>>>>>> asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.  
>>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
>>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found 
>>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on 
>>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free 
>>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your 
>>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for 
>>>>>> those of us on very low
>>>>> incomes.
>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>>>> dog
>>>>> home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:04:40 -0500
>>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <49AAF162-EA19-44F6-A115-2613D6A7A9F9 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
>>>>>> have
>>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. 
>>>>> There are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
>>>> differently.
>>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
>>>>>> about
>>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I 
>>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does 
>>>>> extremely well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
>>>>>> food,
>>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU 
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>>>>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>>>>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used 
>>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina 
>>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per 
>>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed
> expensive
>>>> foods.
>>>>>>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
>>>>>>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found 
>>>>>>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on 
>>>>>>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free 
>>>>>>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your 
>>>>>>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for 
>>>>>>> those
>>>>> of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>>>>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>> home.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is
> okay
>>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:22:33 -0500
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <c797dfbd-77c1-ad5e-1caa-0a4ab7947842 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at 
>>>>>> every bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford
> long
>>>> term.
>>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>>>> food
>>>>> than you
>>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend
> Old
>>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:33 -0500
>>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <02a801d2b926$7f87fcc0$7e97f640$@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, I'm buying Iams Senior on a monthly basis for about $60 for 52 
>>>>>> pounds, but I guess that's pretty high. At The Seeing Eye once they 
>>>>>> said that the difference between Purena 1 and one of the other 
>>>>>> premium Purena dog foods was that the formula was more consistent. 
>>>>>> Anyway, it is a
>>>>> hard decision.
>>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie 
>>>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at 
>>>>>> every bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford
> long
>>>> term.
>>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>>>> food
>>>>> than you
>>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend
> Old
>>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> o
>>>>>> m
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:16:51 -0400
>>>>>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <29ED927D0AA74AFCB9CA0A72DA17F10C at SLJohnson>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh my goodness, $70 for 20 pounds.  I am sure there are a lot of us 
>>>>>> who cannot afford that kind of food.  I just checked the Rural King 
>>>>>> website www.ruralking.com.  They have the Purina Dog Chow Complete 46 
>>>>>> pound bag for $19.99.  I do not know what the shipping price would be 
>>>>>> since I get mine from their store in my area.  They also offer a 
>>>>>> large selection of other dry dog foods as well as bones and treats.  
>>>>>> Believe me without these low prices I could not afford to feed my 
>>>>>> guide dog either.  Unfortunately rent and utilities keep going way up 
>>>>>> but the income stays the same.  It is too bad that the guide dog 
>>>>>> schools do not offer some kind of discount coupons or stipend to help 
>>>>>> graduates,
>>>>> especially retired seniors,  on very low incomes.
>>>>>> Sandra  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:22 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
>>>>>> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at
> Pets
>>>>>> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
>>>>>> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
>>>>>> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at 
>>>>>> every bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford
> long
>>>> term.
>>>>>> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
>>>>>> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
>>>>>> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
>>>>>> food
>>>>> than you
>>>>>> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend
> Old
>>>>>> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
>>>>>> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
>>>>>> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>>>> a
>>>>>> st.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:34:09 -0400
>>>>>> From: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>> Message-ID: <E86F74B0-EBE4-48E6-BA56-E1D7397A187F at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Truly is a great resource for food and their prices and shipping is
>>>> great.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can also get dog food from Amazon. Pierina pro plan is $39 and 
>>>>>> Pierina one is $29. Shipping is free
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jody
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 50 Years of Star Trek!
>>>>>> Live Long and Prosper!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU 
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>> the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. 
>>>>> There are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced
>>>> differently.
>>>>>>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
>>>>>>> about
>>>>> a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I 
>>>>> switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does 
>>>>> extremely well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>>>>>>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
>>>>>>> food,
>>>>> my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU 
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In 
>>>>>>>> grocery and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The 
>>>>>>>> most economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>>>>>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>>>>>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices 
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>> several of the dog food websites too.
>>>>>>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>>>>>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used 
>>>>>>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina 
>>>>>>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per 
>>>>>>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed 
>>>>>>>> expensive foods.  The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog 
>>>>>>>> Chow are perfectly suitable.  More information about the Purina dry 
>>>>>>>> foods can be found at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry 
>>>>>>>> dog foods search on some of the other dog food websites.  Some 
>>>>>>>> companies offer free shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope 
>>>>>>>> this helps your friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a 
>>>>>>>> real
>>>>> concern for those of us on very low incomes.
>>>>>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>>>>>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound
> that
>>>>>>>> would be great!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>>>>>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is 
>>>>>>>> a bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing 
>>>>>>>> the dog
>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is
> okay
>>>>>>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to
> 60
>>>>>>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>>>>>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:48:58 -0400
>>>>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>>> Message-ID: <d29dc475.1d02.4102.b5ba.81d6494b85b5 at samobile.net>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 04:14:50 ?
>>>>>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CANCNGQJ2N3X_spiUTFAsGMHjH_8hciT????v?@mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have you thought about using the smart collar instead? It's a plastic 
>>>>>> collar that has points on it. It's a collar that goes higher up on 
>>>>>> the dogs ears.
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM d m gina via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>>>>>>> The nose is down all of the time.
>>>>>>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>>>>>>> That is something I would love to change.
>>>>>>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>>>>>>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>>>>>>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>>>>>>> Have fun.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> Message: 11
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:51:20 -0500
>>>> From: "Charlene Ota" <caota4 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
>>>> Message-ID: <04c601d2bafa$2e064980$8a12dc80$@gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Great idea, Becky. I was thinking it, suggesting Dani just put Peg's
> harness
>>>> on and go, but sometimes things just sound to simple. The paratransit
> people
>>>> don't necessarily know that Peg is retired and if she's anything at all
> like
>>>> my boy, when the day comes that he has to be retired, he'd probably be
>>>> thrilled to have his harness back on for a little trip like that where
> he
>>>> wouldn't really have to do a lot of guide work. You might give that a
>>>> thought, Dani.
>>>> 
>>>> Charlene
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
>>>> Frankeberger via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:04 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
>>>> 
>>>> Dani, I did the same thing here and asked transit to take my retired
> guide
>>>> dog to the vet. They said fine as we have a long history of working with
>>>> them on committees and such. I was talking to someone and boy did I get
> an
>>>> ear full. I shall clean it up, lol. They said well did Baxter forget how
> to
>>>> guide. I said no of course not. They said then it is none of their
> business
>>>> why you are taking two guide dogs with you on the bus. 
>>>> 
>>>> Dani, I am not the brightest bulb, but that made more sense to me then I
>>>> first grasped. There are certainly people who work two service dogs to
>>>> mitigate different disabilities. Jake was young and frankly board to
> death
>>>> when we shopped. Baxter who loves to shop would guide me fine in any
> store
>>>> mall whatever, he just couldn't do the street work Jake was so
> incredible
>>>> doing.
>>>> 
>>>> So anyway, I put harnesses on both of them and off to the vet we went on
>>>> transit. 
>>>> 
>>>> Dani, I have several articles on aging dogs if you are interested.
>>>> 
>>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>>> 
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Becky and twelve year old Jake,  
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:01 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Dani Pagador <axs.brl at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] OT: Peggy and Hawaii Paratransit
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>>> Because Peggy is retired, the Paratransit customer service says I have
> to
>>>> put her in a kennel to transport her. I don't want to have her go
> through
>>>> that.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a friend who I pay to help take us to the vet when she needs to
> go
>>>> for vaccinations, or if something comes up that I can't take care of
> myself.
>>>> 
>>>> Especially now, with the anxiety thing going on, I don't want to add
>>>> anything.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dani
>>>> 
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 12
>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 01:12:05 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: Afton roy anne Harper <aftonroyanneharper at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>>> Message-ID: <226864627.790860.1492823525596 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone. Afton here.?
>>>> I like to use a couple drops of alpha keri oil mixed with water in a
> water bottle. I normally spray it on right before I brush him. That's what
> LeaderDogs had suggested and I am pretty satisfied,?
>>>> I also have been using coconut oil to soften his fur. I hate coconuts so
> much, but it's so healthy. It's also great for your skin and hair and of
> course you can cook with it. (Don't do these things all at once! Haha).?
>>>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>>> -Afton Harper 
>>>> 
>>>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 3:31 PM, Jean Menzies via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>> 
>>>> Long time no chat. Hope all is well with you and the pack of goldens.
>>>> 
>>>> I just looked up "the stuff", and there really is a grooming spray
> called 
>>>> that. Hahahaha. Cool name. A question. Can you spray this on as a 
>>>> pregrooming spray as well? Can it stay on the coat, or does it have to
> be 
>>>> rinsd off.
>>>> 
>>>> Jean
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Bryan Gearry via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:35 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry ; Elise Berkley
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>>> 
>>>> Use "The Stuff".
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Elise Berkley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It has been so long since I posted to the list, and I am truly sorry. 
>>>>> School has kept Becky and I very busy. I try to groom her everyday.
> But, 
>>>>> when I do, she still has some of her coat that sticks up. It is the
> area 
>>>>> right under her neck area, going towards her back and tail area. This 
>>>>> might be vain, but is there any suggestion as to a grooming spray that 
>>>>> will help her coat to lie flat and even? I know, she is a diva in so
> many 
>>>>> ways, and I just want her to look well kept. Thanks, and I look forward
> to 
>>>>> your suggestions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elise and Becky, Long Beach, California
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 13
>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 01:12:05 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: Afton roy anne Harper <aftonroyanneharper at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>>> Message-ID: <226864627.790860.1492823525596 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone. Afton here.?
>>>> I like to use a couple drops of alpha keri oil mixed with water in a
> water bottle. I normally spray it on right before I brush him. That's what
> LeaderDogs had suggested and I am pretty satisfied,?
>>>> I also have been using coconut oil to soften his fur. I hate coconuts so
> much, but it's so healthy. It's also great for your skin and hair and of
> course you can cook with it. (Don't do these things all at once! Haha).?
>>>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>>> -Afton Harper 
>>>> 
>>>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 3:31 PM, Jean Menzies via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>> 
>>>> Long time no chat. Hope all is well with you and the pack of goldens.
>>>> 
>>>> I just looked up "the stuff", and there really is a grooming spray
> called 
>>>> that. Hahahaha. Cool name. A question. Can you spray this on as a 
>>>> pregrooming spray as well? Can it stay on the coat, or does it have to
> be 
>>>> rinsd off.
>>>> 
>>>> Jean
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Bryan Gearry via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:35 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry ; Elise Berkley
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>>> 
>>>> Use "The Stuff".
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Elise Berkley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It has been so long since I posted to the list, and I am truly sorry. 
>>>>> School has kept Becky and I very busy. I try to groom her everyday.
> But, 
>>>>> when I do, she still has some of her coat that sticks up. It is the
> area 
>>>>> right under her neck area, going towards her back and tail area. This 
>>>>> might be vain, but is there any suggestion as to a grooming spray that 
>>>>> will help her coat to lie flat and even? I know, she is a diva in so
> many 
>>>>> ways, and I just want her to look well kept. Thanks, and I look forward
> to 
>>>>> your suggestions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elise and Becky, Long Beach, California
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 14
>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 01:12:05 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: Afton roy anne Harper <aftonroyanneharper at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>>> Message-ID: <226864627.790860.1492823525596 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone. Afton here.?
>>>> I like to use a couple drops of alpha keri oil mixed with water in a
> water bottle. I normally spray it on right before I brush him. That's what
> LeaderDogs had suggested and I am pretty satisfied,?
>>>> I also have been using coconut oil to soften his fur. I hate coconuts so
> much, but it's so healthy. It's also great for your skin and hair and of
> course you can cook with it. (Don't do these things all at once! Haha).?
>>>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>>> -Afton Harper 
>>>> 
>>>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 3:31 PM, Jean Menzies via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>> 
>>>> Long time no chat. Hope all is well with you and the pack of goldens.
>>>> 
>>>> I just looked up "the stuff", and there really is a grooming spray
> called 
>>>> that. Hahahaha. Cool name. A question. Can you spray this on as a 
>>>> pregrooming spray as well? Can it stay on the coat, or does it have to
> be 
>>>> rinsd off.
>>>> 
>>>> Jean
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Bryan Gearry via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:35 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry ; Elise Berkley
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Grooming Spray
>>>> 
>>>> Use "The Stuff".
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Elise Berkley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It has been so long since I posted to the list, and I am truly sorry. 
>>>>> School has kept Becky and I very busy. I try to groom her everyday.
> But, 
>>>>> when I do, she still has some of her coat that sticks up. It is the
> area 
>>>>> right under her neck area, going towards her back and tail area. This 
>>>>> might be vain, but is there any suggestion as to a grooming spray that 
>>>>> will help her coat to lie flat and even? I know, she is a diva in so
> many 
>>>>> ways, and I just want her to look well kept. Thanks, and I look forward
> to 
>>>>> your suggestions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elise and Becky, Long Beach, California
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>>>> 
>>>> Message: 15
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 21:48:41 -0500
>>>> From: Shanna Stichler <slstich at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OK, i chose!
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>>>> I spayed my female GSD, who is now my working guide, at around 10 
>>>> months. I waited as long as I could without risking that she'd go into 
>>>> season. If I'd gotten a male, I'd have waited till at least 18 months.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Also re conventions, an 8-month-old puppy will not be able to guide in 
>>>> that setting. Probably, she won't be quite finished with public access 
>>>> work, let alone task training. Please think carefully before bringing an
> 
>>>> adolescent puppy into an environment which can be stressful for seasoned
> 
>>>> guides. Dogs, especially breeds like Shepherds and Dobies, that tend to 
>>>> have a bit of natural suspicion bred into them, tend to be very 
>>>> impressionable at that age. If your pup had a negative experience at 
>>>> convention, it may be difficult for her to recover from that. If you do 
>>>> take her, bring a cane and do not expect her to guide you. I didn't 
>>>> begin task training my dog, who is a total over-achiever, until 9 months
> 
>>>> old, and she didn't work any conferences or unusually chaotic events 
>>>> until 16 months of age.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Shanna Stichler, PHD, GDMI, IACP #7565
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/9/2017 11:17 AM, Vivianna via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> i am glad to know that the schools are waiting now.  back in the 90?s
> they were altering really early.  at least some of them.
>>>>> i have been reading and i find everything from, over 3 months to 3
> years.  but, no way do i want an intact girl working.  that would not be so
> good.  heh.  talk about dog distractions.
>>>>> the contract does not state when i have to have her spayed.
>>>>> hmmmm, she will be 8 months old in july, right during convention.  is
> it worth waiting and hoping she doesn?t go into heat?  i guess it can be
> very messy and i am certain it would be no fun in a hotel room.  and, just
> imagine,  with all those guide dogs there.  nope, not for me.
>>>>> i guess, technically, i could wait until june.  do you folks think that
> would make that much of a difference?
>>>>> The vet has no problems spaying her now.  but, i don?t want to end up
> with a dog that didn?t grow right or has urine leakage problems.  she is
> already around 40-45 pounds.
>>>>> i?m thinking she will need to wear a cone for about 10 days right?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy, The thinking now is to wait until the growth plates are fully
> formed, so just about age two. But Vivianna might not have a choice as
> breeders are weird characters and may demand early spade as part of the
> contract.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Remember in the bad old days, schools were spade and neuter pups at
> three months. They learned this is not good practice, but should only be
> done in very extreme cases. I knew a puppy raiser who asked to have her
> little male labby neutered as he was making a mess in her home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I put that article about the growth plates on this list maybe last
> year. It should be in the archives.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Becky and the snoozing prince Jake
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 6:23 AM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OK, i chose!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, six months usually is when they can spay.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did Vivianna mean 25 inches?
>>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
> Carcione via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:09 AM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OK, i chose!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Congratulations, Vivianna.  What will you call her?  Are you sticking
> with the name NTG?
>>>>>> I thought pups should be a year old before they're spayed?
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna
> via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Vivianna
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] OK, i chose!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, i thought and thought.  I talked and talked.
>>>>>> and, i decided to go with NTG.  no tail girl.
>>>>>> I really liked the boy but, i am afraid he will just be to big.  his
> paws, at 5 months old, are twice the size of my 90 pound german shepherd
> and, the stance of those dogs is very wide.  i was afraid that he wouldn?t
> even be physically able to lay down on the back seat floor of an uber.  lol.
>>>>>> she will be spayed next week and come home when she can be taken out
> of the cone.  poor girlie.
>>>>>> the breeder thinks that she will be over 525 inches when she grows up
> and, that?s one big girl dog.
>>>>>> so, now it?s time to buy puppy chew stuff and comfortable beds.  lol.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Take care;
>>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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