[NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
Cindy Ray
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Sat May 27 19:59:41 UTC 2017
I have heard of a few people doing this, but it is hard to get kids to do
that. LOL. I think I would have been much happier if all of the dogs were
putting toys away. My ex-husband had a dog who when it wanted to go out
would go get the shoes that Chuck wore out into the yard, but I don't know
if it was just a fluke or something it did naturally and on a regular basis.
I don't think he trained that into him. On this one I am thinking it would
be nice, but I might be too lazy to take it on. LOL. Let us know how it
goes.
Cindy Lou Ray
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That is a great point, Cindy. That is the reason that I will probably not be
doing it with Demi--it isn't really necessary for my needs and would end up
being more of a novelty trick. The reason I am considering it is
because--and for those of you who have insight on this, please correct me if
I'm wrong--I would really like to eventually teach Demi to put away her
toys, and I am pretty sure that teaching this starts with the dog being able
to pick something up on command. At this point, I can say something like "Go
get your (insert name of toy)," and she will usually do it, but if I have
her toy in front of her and say the same, she won't take it because she
doesn't understand why I would be asking her to get something that is
literally right there in front of her. If I tell her to "Bring it to me,"
she will either bring it close and drop it or try and throw or kick the
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On 5/27/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> When I say this, it is not meant as a criticism of what
people do. I
> had a black lab, my second dog, who was just a masterful fetcher, and
> she would pick things up and drop them in my hand. Once she even took
> a cookie off a tray and I put my hand under her chin and said "out",
> and the cookie dropped into my hand. She was the only dog I had who
> would do this. I was disappointed that more of my dogs didn't fetch or
> find things. And oh yes, if she was playing with a toy and it went
> where she couldn't quite find it, she would go as close as she could
> and put her nose in the vicinity and whine. I think that was her
> anyway, though it could have been Spencer. Anyway, thing is, the dog
> is a guide. That is its primary purpose. I personally decided that
> having it do the fetching and finding things was nice but full
> unnecessary. Please remember that I appreciate why people want it, and
> I would be proud if I had a dog that did it, but it isn't important to
> me. The one thing that would be just too cool about it would be that I
> could say I trained the dog to do it.
>
> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
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> Thank you for this information! I started this a couple days ago using
> sort of a mixture between the two methods described. Demi picked it up
> very quickly. She has mastered putting her paw on a dropped item both
> in and out of harness. when working in harness, I would drop an object
> like my phone or credit card, then would drop the harness and say
> "find it," and Demi would put her paw on the item. We have only done
> this for practice at home so far.
>
> I am wondering, though, for those of you who actually have your dogs
> pick up items, how one would train a dog to pick something up on
> command? Demi will fetch, but that is only with her toys, and it seems
> like using clicker to teach a dog to pick up an object would be
> counterproductive because the dog expects a treat at the sound of the
> clicker. Does anyone have insight on this? I don't know if I even want
> to train Demi to pick up items; I definitely wouldn't want her doing
> it in harness, but it could be a useful skill to have for certain
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> On 5/23/17, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I taught this a bit different, basically just shaping natural
>> tendencies. I noticed that my dog would immediately go to something
>> out of place or new that he hadn't noticed before. I paired this
>> natural behavior with a phrase. I use, "find it". Then give praise
>> when he went to it. My dog does a nose target, which I found to work
>> just fine and so I continue to use that. He does not pick up random
>> objects, so that was not a worry for me.
>>
>> Later I set up situations with objects that I had placed in a known
>> location and then called him to find it. I used a lot of verbal
>> encouragement and praise. When he found the thing he got more
>> praise, pats and acknowledgement. I don't remember using clicker and
>> treats to teach this, but I may have at some point. I did try to
>> teach a retrieve at some point, but gave up because he absolutely
>> refused to pick up anything that he didn't recognize as his. We had
>> a lot of problems when he was a puppy with chewing up stuff, so I
>> spent a lot of time teaching him to only chew on his things. I guess
>> he took that to heart. Of course every dog is different and it is
>> quite possible that with more time I could have taught him a
>> retrieve. Finding things on the floor was really what I needed so I
>> stopped with just
> locating objects.
>>
>> I think Danielle's method would work also. is a lot more
>> methodical and systematic. I do try to have training plans and
>> teach things step by step, but then life happens and we end up using
>> the fly by the seat of your pants method.
>>
>> Oh, I should add the find it is something that I only use at home or
>> in a hotel room, out of harness and off leash. Monty will not find
>> objects on the floor when working in harness.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Julie
>> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
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>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2017 7:38 PM, Danielle Sykora via NAGDU wrote:
>>> I taught my dog how to find dropped items, by putting his paw on or
>>> near the object. Here's the outline of how I taught this, using the
>>> clicker.
>>>
>>> 1: Start with one object (I think I used an index card or some kind
>>> of paper/cardboard). Hold it in your hand, show it to the dog, and
>>> click and treat when the dog paws it. My dog tried nosing the
>>> object, mouthing it, and barking in frustration before he finally got
it.
>>> 2: Once your dog paws the object reliably, put the command to it, (I
>>> used "get it"). Make sure the dog reliably paws the object when you
>>> give the command.
>>> 3: Drop the object right in front of the dog from just a few inches
>>> off the ground. Tell the dog "get it", and click and treat for
>>> pawing the object.
>>> 4: Drop the object from higher off the ground, but still in front of
>>> the dog.
>>> 5: start dropping the object progressively further away from the dog.
>>> 6: Temporarily pair the "get it" and "stay" commands. This way, the
>>> dog will paw the object and then stay there until you come over to
>>> pick it up. Release the dog from the stay only after you pick up the
>>> object. Eventually, you can drop "stay" and just say "get it".
>>> 7: Start practicing with a variety of different items.
>>>
>>> **In the initial stages, make sure to use something that is easy to
>>> hear when your dog's paw makes contact with it.
>>>
>>> Danielle and Thai
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/22/17, Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello, All:
>>>>
>>>> Awhile ago, there was a discussion about teaching dogs to fetch,
>>>> and someone on this list (I don't remember who) talked about
>>>> teaching a guide dog how to find dropped items--not necessarily how
>>>> to pick them up, but just to find them by touching the item. I
>>>> would like to learn more about training my guide dog to do that.
>>>> Does anyone have information about this?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Rachel
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