[NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

S L Johnson SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
Mon Oct 2 22:35:14 UTC 2017 

Dan:

I agree.  In no way will I tolorate anyone telling me I cnanot have my guide 
dog with me.  I have fought the battle many times and with the result of 
having my dog with me on stage in musical theater and opera productions and 
with live orchestra and choral concerts.  It was extremely helpful to have 
my dog guiding me to and from dressing rooms and safely around all the 
obsticles back stage.  As for church, I have had my dog with me as I sung 
for weddings, funerals and many other kinds of solum religious services in 
catholic, prodestant churches and even a few times in a jewish temple.  If I 
ever did want to attend the Morman temple, they would have a real fight on 
their hands if they tried to refuse my dog.  In the end if religious 
organizations are really exempt because of the seperation of church and 
state or the ADA, then if my dog is not welcome, then I do not wish to go 
there.  However, when all is said and done, we all have to make the 
decisions that are right for us and to each his or own.

Sandra Johnson
SLJohnson25 at comcast.net

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:49 PM
To: Sunshine via NAGDU
Cc: Dan Weiner
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

i don't really care if I know or not about the temple, our guide dogs
are our mobility aids and therefore I think it's appropriate for us to
make the decision, not a church, but of course you won't agree. But
we'll agree to disagree.




On 10/2/2017 5:15 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
> I can understand the view for a church service, but going to the Temple is 
> much more than that. Think as you will, but you don't know enough about 
> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any member I've met who 
> has service dogs told me that they do not think it's appropriate to take 
> our dogs with us under the circumstances. I didn't understand that view 
> until I received my Temple recommend and went to The Temple. Smiles!'
>
>
>
> Sunshine and
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: Sunshine via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 1:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
>
>>
>> one thing is to have most people feel that they shouldn't bring there
>> dog guides or that they don't want to bring them and another thing is to
>> prohibit bringing a guide dog. Sorry guys, but if every time there's
>> some access issues we make excuses for it things won't get better.
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/2017 2:19 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
>>> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints does allow dogs in the 
>>> meeting houses. As far as the temple is concerned, most people I know 
>>> feel as I do - there's a lot of moving around, people coming from many 
>>> different directions and we just don't feel we'd take our dogs to the 
>>> Temple even if we could. I don't want my dog stressed. Most people will 
>>> ride with others and, thus, can seek assistance. In any case, I never 
>>> considered leaving my dog at home being a problem. I've always been 
>>> taught that there should be times when we leave our dogs at home so a 
>>> visit to the Temple every once in a while is a great time. HTH!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sunshine and
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tara Briggs via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:49 am
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
>>>
>>>> But what about other churches? Does anybody know what other churches 
>>>> policies are about service animals?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks I couldn't remember what it was called, the temple, sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/29/2017 1:15 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>> I could take my guide dog to the weekly church services but not into 
>>>>>>  > the temple. This was about 10 years and now I don't practice so I 
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> unsure. Yiska > > On Sep 29, 2017 10:58, "Dan Weiner via NAGDU" 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> > wrote: > >> I have been led to believe that the 
>>>>>> LDS church doesn't allow guide >> dogs in their tabernacle. When I 
>>>>>> worked in Maryland a co-worker out >> of the blue walked up to me and 
>>>>>> said "is thee some place that guide >> dogs can stay when they can't 
>>>>>> accompany their owner"? not really >> knowing what the reason for 
>>>>>> this was I gave a non-committal answer, >> it turned out one of this 
>>>>>> lady's relatives wanted to go to a Mormon >> not sure i if it was a 
>>>>>> church or meeting place or temple or what, >> my apologies, in 
>>>>>> Washington, and they told them the guide dog >> wouldn't be welcome 
>>>>>> that in quotes "it would disturb the peace and >> serenity of the 
>>>>>> ceremony" I'm quoiting, I'm not trying to bash any >> religion. So I 
>>>>>> answered my colleague something disparaging about >> religion in 
>>>>>> general which I won't write here, oh heck, I'll write >> it-lol I 
>>>>>> said that religion is suppose d to preach loving thy >> neighbor as 
>>>>>> your brother and that that's fine apparently unless >> you have a 
>>>>>> guide dog. But anyway, so I believe there is a policy, >> I'm sure 
>>>>>> other religious groups have similar strictures. >> >> >> Dan the man, 
>>>>>> Parker the hound dog >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2017 7:23 AM, Star Gazer via 
>>>>>> NAGDU wrote: >> >>> I checked Tara, and unfortunately you are 
>>>>>> correct, the LDS web >>> site does have this policy, plain as day on 
>>>>>> their web site. I am >>> truly sorry. I was really hoping you had a 
>>>>>> dimwit usher. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU >>> 
>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via >>> 
>>>>>> NAGDU Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:35 PM To: NAGDU >>> 
>>>>>> Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users >>> 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Tara Briggs <thflute at gmail.com> Subject: >>> 
>>>>>> Re: [NAGDU] Forwarded Article: This able-bodied dog lover makes >>> a 
>>>>>> great case against faking service dogs >>> >>> Interesting. But can 
>>>>>> you make the argument that church meetings >>> are open to the public 
>>>>>> and the religious exemption does apply >>> there. For example, even 
>>>>>> though the public can walk into a church >>> for any service. Can't 
>>>>>> the church exclude say blind people if >>> they want to? Anyway, in 
>>>>>> this case, we had to go onto the >>> Internet and get tickets. That's 
>>>>>> what a friend of mine did and >>> she invited us to come. The tickets 
>>>>>> were free but you did have >>> to get them in order to get a seat. 
>>>>>>  >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:23 PM, 
>>>>>> David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> If the 
>>>>>> concert is open to the public, the church exception does >>>> not 
>>>>>> apply. >>>> >>>> ininDavid and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL* >>>> 
>>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com* >>>> >>>>> On 9/28/2017 7:53 PM, Star Gazer via 
>>>>>> NAGDU wrote: Even when >>>>> they are open to the public? We have a 
>>>>>> meeting house (Mormon >>>>> word for church building) that is open to 
>>>>>>  >>>>> >>>> the public for elections, i.e. it is a voting poll. There 
>>>>>> is no >>>> way they >>> could or should restrict someone from going 
>>>>>> to the voting poll >>> with a guide or service dog. >>> >>>> >>>> 
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