[NAGDU] the two questions

d m gina dmgina at mysero.net
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> The lack of distraction if the dog wasn't in there might be so, but 
> Andy, keeping your own dog under control is still your responsibility. 
> Once my dog broke away from me at a park because he does that, and this 
> little ankle biter was barking at us. I got him back quickly, but I was 
> kicked out of the park. It doesn't matter what distracted your dog, it 
> is your responsibility to keep him behaved.

> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com


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> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:49 PM
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> Cc: Andy B. <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] the two questions

> This is a good point. Under these guidelines, an entity such as 
> Walmart, Target, or Best Buy cannot refuse us our service dogs. On the 
> other hand, since Walmart, Target, and Best Buy have public policy 
> against untrained animals from entering their stores, it is in our best 
> right to educate the managers about the subject. Of course, we have the 
> responsibility of keeping our dogs under complete control. However, 
> when people publically admit that their purse or cart dogs are vested 
> as E.S.A dogs or publically admit that they brought their pet into 
> Target because they had no one to petsit and leaving said pet in a 80 
> degree car for more than 15 minutes is not sensible, we also have the 
> responsibility of informing the manager that a customer who willingly 
> violated known policy distracted my service dog from work. If that 
> customer did not bring their pet into Best Buy, Alec would have never 
> gotten distracted.


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> Cc: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] the two questions

> marion,You bring up an interesting distinction - your non-disabled 
> sister cannot bring your disability-mitigating service dog into places 
> of public accommodation.When I traveled in Montana, I got asked, on two 
> separate occasions, if Jenny was *MY* service dog.it was a distinction 
> I hadn't considered before, and I think I like it :)Daryl
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] the two questions

> Julie,

> Though it might seem like a minor correction and we understand that an 
> entity may nhot always phrase the questions correctly, I think it is 
> important that everyone learn the correct phrasing of the questions and 
> why this phrasing is important so we can share them with those who need 
> to know. Here are the questions, along with their explanation:

> 1. Is this a service dog required because of a disability? - The 
> implementing regulations of the Americans with Disabilities Act require 
> public entities and private entities that provide public accommodations 
> to modify their policies, practices, and procedures to allow an 
> individual with a disability accompanied by a service animal access to 
> the places all patrons are allowed. Someone who does not have a 
> disability is not necessarily allowed to bring an animal into a place, 
> even if the dog is a service dog. In other words, my sister, who is not 
> disabled, does not have the right to bring my service dog into a place 
> that does not allow pets, since she is not covered by the Act under 
> this circumstance.
> 2. What tasks or work has the dog been trained to perform? - The 
> essential element of a service dog is that it has been trained to 
> perform tasks or do work that mitigates a person's disability; 
> therefore, "trained to perform" is a very important phrase. By helping 
> those in authority to ask the question correctly, we also help them 
> understand the difference between trained tasks and innate abilities, 
> such as comforting someone with anxiety or cheering up a person with 
> depression, as opposed to task and/or work training. We also empower 
> them to assess the veracity of the first question as to whether or not 
> the dog is really a service animal.

> I think it is also important to share with them that, if a dog is 
> observed doing work or performing tasks that mitigate the disability, 
> e.g., the dog is observed guiding a person who is blind or pulling a 
> wheelchair, such questions are generally not permitted.

> Finally, since we are in the midst of "Meet the Blind Month", the 
> National Association of Guide Dog Users has an excellent brochure with 
> full-color pictures of guide dogs at work in various settings available 
> through our Independence Market at the Jernigan Institute. Furthermore, 
> we are actively producing other material specific to particular 
> industries in a variety of media. Our website is also an excellent 
> source of accurate information about the rights and responsibilities of 
> service animal users and access to public and private entities. If 
> anyone has questions or comments, please keep this thread going, since 
> this is an important resource for us all to learn and grow in our roles 
> as advocates!

> Fraternally yours,
> Marion

> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National 
> Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG


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> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind 
> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not 
> what holds you back.


> -----Original Message-----
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> Johnson via NAGDU
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> Subject: [NAGDU] the two questions

> I think most everyone here knows the two questions the DOJ’s guidance 
> on service animals under the ADA allows.
> Is that a service dog?
> and
> What tasks does the dog perform?

> However, my understanding is that it is the business that can ask these 
> questions. These questions aren’t open for anyone to ask and answers be 
> required. So I’m thinking that if there is an issue with another dog in 
> a store, it isn’t up to the other shoppers to be asking the two 
> questions. It is up to the store management to ask and deal with any 
> issues that come up.

> Thoughts?
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall 
> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>
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