[NAGDU] the two questions

Fri Oct 13 01:33:28 UTC 2017

My dog did pull away. I got him back quickly, but because he got away from me he was not under my control technically. I doubt the other dog was required to leave the park. I was leaving anyway, but this man said I would have to leave.
Cindy Lou Ray
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Original The dog was barking at your dog and you got kicked out?
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> The lack of distraction if the dog wasn't in there might be so, but 
> Andy, keeping your own dog under control is still your responsibility.
> Once my dog broke away from me at a park because he does that, and 
> this little ankle biter was barking at us. I got him back quickly, but 
> I was kicked out of the park. It doesn't matter what distracted your 
> dog, it is your responsibility to keep him behaved.

> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com

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> This is a good point. Under these guidelines, an entity such as 
> Walmart, Target, or Best Buy cannot refuse us our service dogs. On the 
> other hand, since Walmart, Target, and Best Buy have public policy 
> against untrained animals from entering their stores, it is in our 
> best right to educate the managers about the subject. Of course, we 
> have the responsibility of keeping our dogs under complete control. 
> However, when people publically admit that their purse or cart dogs 
> are vested as E.S.A dogs or publically admit that they brought their 
> pet into Target because they had no one to petsit and leaving said pet 
> in a 80 degree car for more than 15 minutes is not sensible, we also 
> have the responsibility of informing the manager that a customer who 
> willingly violated known policy distracted my service dog from work. 
> If that customer did not bring their pet into Best Buy, Alec would 
> have never gotten distracted.

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> marion,You bring up an interesting distinction - your non-disabled 
> sister cannot bring your disability-mitigating service dog into places 
> of public accommodation.When I traveled in Montana, I got asked, on 
> two separate occasions, if Jenny was *MY* service dog.it was a 
> distinction I hadn't considered before, and I think I like it :)Daryl
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> Julie,

> Though it might seem like a minor correction and we understand that an 
> entity may nhot always phrase the questions correctly, I think it is 
> important that everyone learn the correct phrasing of the questions 
> and why this phrasing is important so we can share them with those who 
> need to know. Here are the questions, along with their explanation:

> 1. Is this a service dog required because of a disability? - The 
> implementing regulations of the Americans with Disabilities Act 
> require public entities and private entities that provide public 
> accommodations to modify their policies, practices, and procedures to 
> allow an individual with a disability accompanied by a service animal 
> access to the places all patrons are allowed. Someone who does not 
> have a disability is not necessarily allowed to bring an animal into a 
> place, even if the dog is a service dog. In other words, my sister, 
> who is not disabled, does not have the right to bring my service dog 
> into a place that does not allow pets, since she is not covered by the 
> Act under this circumstance.
> 2. What tasks or work has the dog been trained to perform? - The 
> essential element of a service dog is that it has been trained to 
> perform tasks or do work that mitigates a person's disability; 
> therefore, "trained to perform" is a very important phrase. By helping 
> those in authority to ask the question correctly, we also help them 
> understand the difference between trained tasks and innate abilities, 
> such as comforting someone with anxiety or cheering up a person with 
> depression, as opposed to task and/or work training. We also empower 
> them to assess the veracity of the first question as to whether or not 
> the dog is really a service animal.

> I think it is also important to share with them that, if a dog is 
> observed doing work or performing tasks that mitigate the disability, 
> e.g., the dog is observed guiding a person who is blind or pulling a 
> wheelchair, such questions are generally not permitted.

> Finally, since we are in the midst of "Meet the Blind Month", the 
> National Association of Guide Dog Users has an excellent brochure with 
> full-color pictures of guide dogs at work in various settings 
> available through our Independence Market at the Jernigan Institute. 
> Furthermore, we are actively producing other material specific to 
> particular industries in a variety of media. Our website is also an 
> excellent source of accurate information about the rights and 
> responsibilities of service animal users and access to public and 
> private entities. If anyone has questions or comments, please keep 
> this thread going, since this is an important resource for us all to 
> learn and grow in our roles as advocates!

> Fraternally yours,
> Marion

> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National 
> Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG

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> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind 
> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is 
> not what holds you back.

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> I think most everyone here knows the two questions the DOJ’s guidance 
> on service animals under the ADA allows.
> Is that a service dog?
> and
> What tasks does the dog perform?

> However, my understanding is that it is the business that can ask 
> these questions. These questions aren’t open for anyone to ask and 
> answers be required. So I’m thinking that if there is an issue with 
> another dog in a store, it isn’t up to the other shoppers to be asking 
> the two questions. It is up to the store management to ask and deal 
> with any issues that come up.

> Thoughts?
> Julie
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