[NAGDU] not sure if this post is allowed but have a question

Thu Sep 14 16:15:13 UTC 2017

Julie:

I think my disapproval comes from the fact that having a horse in most 
public situations is not really practical.  No matter how much training they 
have they are still a horse who cannot be tucked safely under a table or 
chair.  They cannot live in small apartments in the city and there are 
probably many other situations.  You cannot find hay for them to eat at the 
grocery store.  I am sure there are a lot more major differences from having 
our dogs.  A dog is a well accepted animal in public and therefore most of 
the time we don't have any access problems.  The problem comes in now that 
so many people are trying to bring things like pigs, goats and any other 
animal they like and claiming it is a service animal.  For some people a 
mini horse might fit into their life style and that is fine for them but I 
am sure there are plenty of vehicles the horse cannot ride in and many 
places that cannot accommodate such a large animal that cannot lye down 
under a table.  I think most customers in a restaurant would object to a 
mini horse standing up near their table.  At least our dogs fit out of the 
way.   As I said, for someone out in the country with the proper outdoor 
accommodations to keep a horse and plenty of space to exercise that horse, 
then fine.  However, for most blind and disabled people, the dog will always 
be the more suitable service animal.  As I said in my previous post.  I 
would object to any dog in training or who has been fully trained if it 
caused any disruption or danger to people or other their service dogs. 
There is always room in the disabled community for new ideas but they are 
not always practical for the majority of us.  I do apologize for not 
realizing that the law had been changed and my information from 2009 had 
been updated to include the mini horses with certain requirements.  Everyone 
has their own opinion and I for one enjoy the open and honest discussion on 
these subjects.  Now that is the last I will say on the subject before the 
moderator gets upset.

Sandra

-----Original Message----- 
From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:02 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Julie Johnson
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] not sure if this post is allowed but have a question

I'd like to highlight something interesting in Sandra's post.
*My main disapproval comes from being kicked
by a mini horse guide in training that was at a national convention several
years ago.  *

Just so I am understanding this correctly.  You oppose all mini horse guides
because one acted inappropriately?  And you would feel the same about dogs?
Dog's don't kick, at least not dangerously so, but they do certainly act
inappropriately.  I'd be willing to bet anyone who has worked a guide dog
for more than a few months has experienced their own dog acting up or been
around another service dog who has.  The interesting thing is that we don't
immediately decide dog's don't make good guides.  We instead conclude that
the particular dog has issues that need attention.

Julie
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-----Original Message----- 
From: S L Johnson via NAGDU
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:05 PM
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Cc: S L Johnson
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] not sure if this post is allowed but have a question

Buddy:

My information may be out of date but,a according to the information I have
saved on my computer they changed it to be only dogs as being permitted as
service animals.  I do not have the exact date of my information so if there
is more recent language to the law, can someone post the link so all of us
can have it.

Personally I do not think the mini horse is practical for all situations,
especially as you said in small cars, public transportation restaurants
etc...  However for someone living out in the country with the room to
accommodate a mini horse then even though I do not approve, what you do is
your business.  This conversation does show that better education is
necessary so all places of public accommodation are completely aware of the
latest language to the law.  I am sure that Ann can clear up any
misconceptions that may exist.  My main disapproval comes from being kicked
by a mini horse guide in training that was at a national convention several
years ago.  Both me and my guide dog were injured when we walked too close
behind that horse as we attempted to get out of a very crowded room.  I
suppose since she was still in training her trainer should have been
watching much more closely especially in a crowded room full of blind people
and our dogs.  I am sorry if my opinion is upsetting to anyone.  I would
feel the same way if a guide dog or one in training acts in a dangerous
manner resulting in injury to me and my guide dog.  We do have to be sure
that service animals in training are far enough along with their training
that their behavior is appropriate to be out in public.  Thanks for reading.

Sandra Johnson
SLJohnson25 at comcast.net

-----Original Message----- 
From: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:28 PM
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Cc: Buddy Brannan
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] not sure if this post is allowed but have a question

Hey Ricky,

Baltimore has nothing to do with this. Miniature horses are, indeed, part of
the ADA definition of service animal.

You are correct, however, that your friends are badly informed. A shocker, I
know, you can pick yourself up off the floor now. Apparently one can house
train a horse. But even besides that, they wear a diaper for those happy fun
horse presents so that your hapless friends don't step in them. They might
also wear little cut down tennis shoes. Anne can address this better, seeing
as how she has a guide horse, and I'm fairly certain her horse doesn't take
a dump wherever it likes for people to just step in.

I'd have more of a concern about the horse at rest, since you can't exactly
put one under your chair since they don't really lie down. If you took an
Uber, I'd think you really *would* ned an SUV at the very least. That would
be more of a hindrance to me, but maybe not.

--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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Phone: (814) 860-3194
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> On Sep 13, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> I read on a FB post that Baltimore has approved miniature horses as 
> service animals in the schools. The person and their friends who were 
> posting were not informed about service animals and were even equating the 
> horses to our dogs. I was just wondering how others felt about miniature 
> horses as service animals. They were making comments like oh I guess they 
> are going to let the horses just take a crap any where so we can step in 
> it. It has me really pissed off and upset.
>
> I am sorry if this topic isnâ?Tt allowed here if so just let me know. If 
> so feel free to Email me off list rickyjoecook at comcast.net
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy
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