[NAGDU] re post on air b and b

Buddy Brannan buddy at brannan.name
Tue Sep 19 23:32:15 UTC 2017


As am I, and my opinion is that your attitude is reprehensible, if for no other reason than it pretty much throws many, many service dog handlers that aren't you under the bus. Can't think of a better definition than that. 

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Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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"We are all just walking each other home." 



> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:28 PM, Janell via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> My attitude is anything but reprehensible.  I am sorry you feel the need to try and degrade me, but as I said before, we are just going to have to agree to disagree.  Last time I checked, I still had a right to my opinion.
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> OK, so it's "Screw you, I've got mine", is it? That's kind of a reprehensible attitude. So, all of those other service dog users with invisible disabilities, neve mind them and their rights and, oh by the way, possible issues with extra confrontation. You know, it's a pretty nice thing to have decades of history behind you that others don't have. 
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> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> "We are all just walking each other home." 
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>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Janell via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> I think you are very much exaggerating when you say "every" outing in the public.  I don’t foresee that happening.  I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  Nothing that has been stated so far will dissuade me from my opinion
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>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
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>> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b
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>> Except that it is. As you've said, there are very specific instances where showing an ID is required. What you propose would allow any employee to ask for your ID. Would you really not be bothered by needing to show your ID, potentially, for every errand, every shopping trip, every stop at the library or any government office, every time you get on a bus or into a taxi, every public interaction you have? No thanks, not me. 
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>> While it's true that I also have not, in the past 21 years, been asked to show my ID, guide dogs are generally well recognized, as is their function. What about people who use dogs for other services, especially those that are not readily apparent? Seizure alert or response, diabetic/medical alert, PTSD, autism? Is it all right that they would have to bear much more scrutiny than they already do, indeed, much more than *you* currently do? An ID requirement would only escalate that. 
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>> What about those of us who have no program to go to? What ID do you propose, and how do you propose it be administered, funded, certified, and implemented? 
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>> What about those "accredited" service dogs who are aggressive, inappropriate, or otherwise a problem because their handlers do not keep up their training or appearance? Who protects us from them? More to the point, why would they get a pass when my "uncertified" guide would not? 
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>> Need I continue? 
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>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Mobile (preferred): (814) 431-0962
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>> "We are all just walking each other home." 
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>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Janell via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> I find this so interesting that you say you have no problem showing an ID, I agree with you 100%.  I am not a new guide dog user and I have yet to be asked any questions about my dog. I am sure I will be chastised again saying this but I am fully confident in my abilities and also in my guide dog school.  I do not equate having to show an ID with anything detrimental, and I will still be proud to show and talk about my accreditations.
>>> We have to show an ID to buy alcohol, going to a R rated movie, going to the casino enlisting in the military etc., I don’t see this as any different.
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>>> Look forward to the responses, Janell
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>>> Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel Moloney via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:55 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Gabriel Moloney <gmoloney6467 at googlemail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b
>>> 
>>> hi star gazer
>>> interesting user name, ok down to the business of answering your question.
>>> A person who is looking to work with a  guide could be up to three years on a waiting list, and there is only one school in Ireland, I was not willing to wait that long, after my last guide retired suddenly last year, they do not train German shepherds in the school and I always wanted a German Shepherd over the years, my previous guides were good workers so don’t get me wrong in regards guides from the irish school.  The second part to your question no I do not have ID Card from Ireland, but I do have ID Card which I received when I qualified with my present guide, I was asked to produce it once by a bus driver as I have stated in the past here, that was dealt with very fast by myself and bus company.  I have not been refused in any other public places and there has been no questions to produce ID Card, they see how well behaved my guide as she does not play up she is very professional in her work, so hence I don’t have any problems, she is groomed everyday before I face the day of work that I am involved, o there is no reason for myself to be refused, the equality law in Ireland is very strong and i was involved in a focus group many moons ago when the equality laws were being looked at I have won a case in the past and that had to do with a homeland that was with my second dog.  So no I am not breaking any laws by not caring the correct ID Card which is issued here the school still uses the medical model at time when working with the service users as the school calls people who access their service so again they think that Blind-visual impaired people cannot stand up for themselves, here is one person who can stand up for himself.  So quote from Irish school: “if you are out with friends make sure you carry your card and call in advance, wo there will be no embarrassing moments for you the guide dog owner staff or general public”
>>> I hope the quote above has answer that part of your question as well.
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>>>> On 19 Sep 2017, at 19:53, Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>> 				Interesting Gabe. 
>>>> Can I ask why you got a dog from an American school? Since you don't have the id, can you be denied access? 
>>>> What type of embarrassment does the school in Ireland think it will prevent by showing the id?  Is there any distinction regarding who can ask for the id? In other words, how would a person know that the request is coming from the right authority v. a random person who just wants to be nosy or intimidate?
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel Moloney via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:27 PM
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>>>> Cc: Gabriel Moloney <gmoloney6467 at googlemail.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b
>>>> 
>>>> Good day all
>>>> I have been following this thread, over the last day or two, i have found it slightly strange, in the following ways:
>>>> 1: I thought that all homes, on the air b and b website and network  were private homes that offer alternatives to costly hotels, motels etc,.  So my curiosity has gotten the better of me now, in the following way, if they are private homes does this not give the owners certain rights, that is they can refuse anybody accommodation or  entery to their house, or since they are letting their homes, rooms etc to the public does federal and state law differ on this matter?  In other words are they now public property while being rented out? or are they still private homes? This is where my curiosity has kicked in The second question that I have for this list, is the following and some people might not agree with this second part of the post, but just give me a moment to explain after the question.  This question had to do with whole idea of ID Cards and disclosure when booking places or transport.  I know, that this type of question, can get the blood boiling, and others might agree with the whole idea of carrying a ID Card, I can only talk about the regulations and law in the Republic of Ireland, now when you qualify with your guide dog from the one school you are required to carry your ID Card that is issued to you at all times, their reasoning for this is to “save embarrassing moments for you as a guide dog owner, for the staff and for members of the public”.  On the cards that are issued there is a photograph of you and the law is printed on the reverse side the law is printed on it stating your rights under equality law.
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>>>> This ID Card does not apply to me, as my current guide is not from that school, so I do not have their ID Card, I do have and carry the ID Card that I received from Pilot dogs, but that means very little in Ireland, I have only being asked to show it once and that was on a public transport bus, that was dealt with very speedy by myself and the bus company, it is very rare now, that you would be asked for ID Cards in Ireland, but if your dog is from the guide dog school again they state to you that you have to carry it with you at all times, finally the whole idea of disclosing when booking transport or hotels etc the school again tell you that you have to inform them that you have a guide dog again see the quote above, yes I would have been guilty in the past of doing this on a couple of occasions but with my guide now, no i do not, and I have seen the benefit of not disclosing, so my mind et was changed over the last year and that was due to talking to somebody on this whole issue, and I am very thankful to that person.
>>>> Many thanks for allowing me to put my thoughts out here in regards to the air b and b question and ID card part of this email gabriel _______________________________________________
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