[NAGDU] re post on air b and b

Julie Johnson julielj at neb.rr.com
Wed Sep 20 11:11:19 UTC 2017


It's not derogatory.  It's history.

In the holocaust the Jewish people had to wear gold stars, but the disabled 
people were distinguished by black triangles.

Asking for a disability to be publically announced on a state issued ID or 
being recorded and available for public viewing feels a whole lot like the 
black triangles to me.

We should study history, so we do not repeat it.

Julie
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Janell via NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:12 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Janell
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b

I do not consider my disability as any shade of black, and it saddens me 
that you do.    That in fact is the most derogatory statement of the night. 
I  don’t really care what color, stamp, acrinim, picture, shape, simble, 
word, definition or other term you would like to "name us" the end result is 
still the same.
  I will still be proud showing my ID to whomever asks, and I will be proud 
discussing my dog and certainly my guide dog school!




-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via 
NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 7:45 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
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Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b

Exactly what I was thinking...if we are going to have our disability stated
on a state ID, would it be denoted by a black triangle?   Seems that's what
is being asked for here.



Julie
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-----Original Message-----
From: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:04 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Buddy Brannan
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b

Darn right there are issues. Do you really want your disability status put 
in some disability registry? Anybody remember...other registries? I'm just 
saying...the disabled got to go to camp before the Jews did.

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> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Janell,
> I agree and wish it was a practice we participated in and I know
> several dog guide users who feel the same and will not join nagdu
> because of its views on this matter.
> So personally i wish it could be on our state ID somehow.
> It seems like info like disability could be useful info for law
> enforcement as well but I know the list will not like this proposal.
> I know there are issues of how to certify etc.  That's just my $.02.
>
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated
> using voice dictation Nancy Irwin
>
>
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Janell via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I find this so interesting that you say you have no problem showing an
>> ID, I agree with you 100%.  I am not a new guide dog user and I have yet
>> to be asked any questions about my dog. I am sure I will be chastised
>> again saying this but I am fully confident in my abilities and also in my
>> guide dog school.  I do not equate having to show an ID with anything
>> detrimental, and I will still be proud to show and talk about my
>> accreditations.
>> We have to show an ID to buy alcohol, going to a R rated movie, going to
>> the casino enlisting in the military etc., I don’t see this as any
>> different.
>>
>> Look forward to the responses, Janell
>>
>>
>> Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel
>> Moloney via NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:55 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Gabriel Moloney <gmoloney6467 at googlemail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b
>>
>> hi star gazer
>> interesting user name, ok down to the business of answering your
>> question.
>> A person who is looking to work with a  guide could be up to three years
>> on a waiting list, and there is only one school in Ireland, I was not
>> willing to wait that long, after my last guide retired suddenly last
>> year, they do not train German shepherds in the school and I always
>> wanted a German Shepherd over the years, my previous guides were good
>> workers so don’t get me wrong in regards guides from the irish school.
>> The second part to your question no I do not have ID Card from Ireland,
>> but I do have ID Card which I received when I qualified with my present
>> guide, I was asked to produce it once by a bus driver as I have stated in
>> the past here, that was dealt with very fast by myself and bus company.
>> I have not been refused in any other public places and there has been no
>> questions to produce ID Card, they see how well behaved my guide as she
>> does not play up she is very professional in her work, so hence I don’t
>> have any problems, she is groomed everyday before I face the day of work
>> that I am involved, o there is no reason for myself to be refused, the
>> equality law in Ireland is very strong and i was involved in a focus
>> group many moons ago when the equality laws were being looked at I have
>> won a case in the past and that had to do with a homeland that was with
>> my second dog.  So no I am not breaking any laws by not caring the
>> correct ID Card which is issued here the school still uses the medical
>> model at time when working with the service users as the school calls
>> people who access their service so again they think that Blind-visual
>> impaired people cannot stand up for themselves, here is one person who
>> can stand up for himself.  So quote from Irish school: “if you are out
>> with friends make sure you carry your card and call in advance, wo there
>> will be no embarrassing moments for you the guide dog owner staff or
>> general public”
>> I hope the quote above has answer that part of your question as well.
>> s
>>> On 19 Sep 2017, at 19:53, Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>               Interesting Gabe.
>>> Can I ask why you got a dog from an American school? Since you don't
>>> have the id, can you be denied access?
>>> What type of embarrassment does the school in Ireland think it will
>>> prevent by showing the id?  Is there any distinction regarding who can
>>> ask for the id? In other words, how would a person know that the request
>>> is coming from the right authority v. a random person who just wants to
>>> be nosy or intimidate?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel
>>> Moloney via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:27 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Gabriel Moloney <gmoloney6467 at googlemail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b
>>>
>>> Good day all
>>> I have been following this thread, over the last day or two, i have
>>> found it slightly strange, in the following ways:
>>> 1: I thought that all homes, on the air b and b website and network
>>> were private homes that offer alternatives to costly hotels, motels
>>> etc,.  So my curiosity has gotten the better of me now, in the following
>>> way, if they are private homes does this not give the owners certain
>>> rights, that is they can refuse anybody accommodation or  entery to
>>> their house, or since they are letting their homes, rooms etc to the
>>> public does federal and state law differ on this matter?  In other words
>>> are they now public property while being rented out? or are they still
>>> private homes? This is where my curiosity has kicked in The second
>>> question that I have for this list, is the following and some people
>>> might not agree with this second part of the post, but just give me a
>>> moment to explain after the question.  This question had to do with
>>> whole idea of ID Cards and disclosure when booking places or transport.
>>> I know, that this type of question, can get the blood boiling, and
>>> others might agree with the whole idea of carrying a ID Card, I can only
>>> talk about the regulations and law in the Republic of Ireland, now when
>>> you qualify with your guide dog from the one school you are required to
>>> carry your ID Card that is issued to you at all times, their reasoning
>>> for this is to “save embarrassing moments for you as a guide dog owner,
>>> for the staff and for members of the public”.  On the cards that are
>>> issued there is a photograph of you and the law is printed on the
>>> reverse side the law is printed on it stating your rights under equality
>>> law.
>>>
>>> This ID Card does not apply to me, as my current guide is not from that
>>> school, so I do not have their ID Card, I do have and carry the ID Card
>>> that I received from Pilot dogs, but that means very little in Ireland,
>>> I have only being asked to show it once and that was on a public
>>> transport bus, that was dealt with very speedy by myself and the bus
>>> company, it is very rare now, that you would be asked for ID Cards in
>>> Ireland, but if your dog is from the guide dog school again they state
>>> to you that you have to carry it with you at all times, finally the
>>> whole idea of disclosing when booking transport or hotels etc the school
>>> again tell you that you have to inform them that you have a guide dog
>>> again see the quote above, yes I would have been guilty in the past of
>>> doing this on a couple of occasions but with my guide now, no i do not,
>>> and I have seen the benefit of not disclosing, so my mind et was changed
>>> over the last year and that was due to talking to somebody on this whole
>>> issue, and I am very thankful to that person.
>>> Many thanks for allowing me to put my thoughts out here in regards to
>>> the air b and b question and ID card part of this email gabriel
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