[NAGDU] re post on air b and b

Julie Johnson julielj at neb.rr.com
Wed Sep 20 11:18:29 UTC 2017 

You understand!  Yea for history!

I am not all that old, but have made an effort to understand disability 
history, culture and law.  In some areas we have made so much progress in 
achieving equality.  Then in other areas...I am just saddened.   I think 
it's so important to understand the history, so we can learn what did and 
didn't work, so we don't repeat the mistakes.

Julie
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also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
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-----Original Message----- 
From: David via NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
Cc: David
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b

Perhaps all those who require a service animal and use one could wear
the black triangle, Julie.  Penalties could even be levied against those
who should wear them and do not wear them and against those who wear
them 'illegally'.  That way everyone would be safe from suspicion.  The
public would be safe from making unfounded assumptions and authorities
could be called to mediate disputes.  If you are old enough, or read
history, I think you've probably heard that  one before

*David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL*
*david at bakerinet.com*
On 9/19/2017 8:44 PM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU wrote:
> Exactly what I was thinking...if we are going to have our disability 
> stated on a state ID, would it be denoted by a black triangle?   Seems 
> that's what is being asked for here.
>
>
>
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>
> -----Original Message----- From: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Buddy Brannan
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b
>
> Darn right there are issues. Do you really want your disability status put 
> in some disability registry? Anybody remember...other registries? I'm just 
> saying...the disabled got to go to camp before the Jews did.
>
> -- 
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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>
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Janell,
>> I agree and wish it was a practice we participated in and I know several 
>> dog guide users who feel the same and will not join nagdu because of its 
>> views on this matter.
>> So personally i wish it could be on our state ID somehow.
>> It seems like info like disability could be useful info for law 
>> enforcement as well but I know the list will not like this proposal.
>> I know there are issues of how to certify etc.  That's just my $.02.
>>
>> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using 
>> voice dictation
>> Nancy Irwin
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Janell via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I find this so interesting that you say you have no problem showing an 
>>> ID, I agree with you 100%.  I am not a new guide dog user and I have yet 
>>> to be asked any questions about my dog. I am sure I will be chastised 
>>> again saying this but I am fully confident in my abilities and also in 
>>> my guide dog school.  I do not equate having to show an ID with anything 
>>> detrimental, and I will still be proud to show and talk about my 
>>> accreditations.
>>> We have to show an ID to buy alcohol, going to a R rated movie, going to 
>>> the casino enlisting in the military etc., I don’t see this as any 
>>> different.
>>>
>>> Look forward to the responses, Janell
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel 
>>> Moloney via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:55 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Gabriel Moloney <gmoloney6467 at googlemail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b
>>>
>>> hi star gazer
>>> interesting user name, ok down to the business of answering your 
>>> question.
>>> A person who is looking to work with a  guide could be up to three years 
>>> on a waiting list, and there is only one school in Ireland, I was not 
>>> willing to wait that long, after my last guide retired suddenly last 
>>> year, they do not train German shepherds in the school and I always 
>>> wanted a German Shepherd over the years, my previous guides were good 
>>> workers so don’t get me wrong in regards guides from the irish school. 
>>> The second part to your question no I do not have ID Card from Ireland, 
>>> but I do have ID Card which I received when I qualified with my present 
>>> guide, I was asked to produce it once by a bus driver as I have stated 
>>> in the past here, that was dealt with very fast by myself and bus 
>>> company. I have not been refused in any other public places and there 
>>> has been no questions to produce ID Card, they see how well behaved my 
>>> guide as she does not play up she is very professional in her work, so 
>>> hence I don’t have any problems, she is groomed everyday before I face 
>>> the day of work that I am involved, o there is no reason for myself to 
>>> be refused, the equality law in Ireland is very strong and i was 
>>> involved in a focus group many moons ago when the equality laws were 
>>> being looked at I have won a case in the past and that had to do with a 
>>> homeland that was with my second dog.  So no I am not breaking any laws 
>>> by not caring the correct ID Card which is issued here the school still 
>>> uses the medical model at time when working with the service users as 
>>> the school calls people who access their service so again they think 
>>> that Blind-visual impaired people cannot stand up for themselves, here 
>>> is one person who can stand up for himself.  So quote from Irish school: 
>>> “if you are out with friends make sure you carry your card and call in 
>>> advance, wo there will be no embarrassing moments for you the guide dog 
>>> owner staff or general public”
>>> I hope the quote above has answer that part of your question as well.
>>> s
>>>> On 19 Sep 2017, at 19:53, Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>               Interesting Gabe.
>>>> Can I ask why you got a dog from an American school? Since you don't 
>>>> have the id, can you be denied access?
>>>> What type of embarrassment does the school in Ireland think it will 
>>>> prevent by showing the id?  Is there any distinction regarding who can 
>>>> ask for the id? In other words, how would a person know that the 
>>>> request is coming from the right authority v. a random person who just 
>>>> wants to be nosy or intimidate?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel 
>>>> Moloney via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:27 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Gabriel Moloney <gmoloney6467 at googlemail.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] re post on air b and b
>>>>
>>>> Good day all
>>>> I have been following this thread, over the last day or two, i have 
>>>> found it slightly strange, in the following ways:
>>>> 1: I thought that all homes, on the air b and b website and network 
>>>> were private homes that offer alternatives to costly hotels, motels 
>>>> etc,.  So my curiosity has gotten the better of me now, in the 
>>>> following way, if they are private homes does this not give the owners 
>>>> certain rights, that is they can refuse anybody accommodation or 
>>>> entery to their house, or since they are letting their homes, rooms etc 
>>>> to the public does federal and state law differ on this matter?  In 
>>>> other words are they now public property while being rented out? or are 
>>>> they still private homes? This is where my curiosity has kicked in The 
>>>> second question that I have for this list, is the following and some 
>>>> people might not agree with this second part of the post, but just give 
>>>> me a moment to explain after the question.  This question had to do 
>>>> with whole idea of ID Cards and disclosure when booking places or 
>>>> transport. I know, that this type of question, can get the blood 
>>>> boiling, and others might agree with the whole idea of carrying a ID 
>>>> Card, I can only talk about the regulations and law in the Republic of 
>>>> Ireland, now when you qualify with your guide dog from the one school 
>>>> you are required to carry your ID Card that is issued to you at all 
>>>> times, their reasoning for this is to “save embarrassing moments for 
>>>> you as a guide dog owner, for the staff and for members of the public”. 
>>>> On the cards that are issued there is a photograph of you and the law 
>>>> is printed on the reverse side the law is printed on it stating your 
>>>> rights under equality law.
>>>>
>>>> This ID Card does not apply to me, as my current guide is not from that 
>>>> school, so I do not have their ID Card, I do have and carry the ID Card 
>>>> that I received from Pilot dogs, but that means very little in Ireland, 
>>>> I have only being asked to show it once and that was on a public 
>>>> transport bus, that was dealt with very speedy by myself and the bus 
>>>> company, it is very rare now, that you would be asked for ID Cards in 
>>>> Ireland, but if your dog is from the guide dog school again they state 
>>>> to you that you have to carry it with you at all times, finally the 
>>>> whole idea of disclosing when booking transport or hotels etc the 
>>>> school again tell you that you have to inform them that you have a 
>>>> guide dog again see the quote above, yes I would have been guilty in 
>>>> the past of doing this on a couple of occasions but with my guide now, 
>>>> no i do not, and I have seen the benefit of not disclosing, so my mind 
>>>> et was changed over the last year and that was due to talking to 
>>>> somebody on this whole issue, and I am very thankful to that person.
>>>> Many thanks for allowing me to put my thoughts out here in regards to 
>>>> the air b and b question and ID card part of this email gabriel 
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