[NAGDU] Emotions associated with handling was Re: School logos

[Becky Frankeberger]

The logo on my husband's hat from GDB is a person walking with a guide dog. I didn't ask more detail. I wonder if GDB changed their logo?

Becky 

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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Emotions associated with handling was Re: School logos

I don't think Tracy was minimizing the emotions of the other so much, but you have to realize that when a logo like that is out there in the public eye, that is immediately what they think, too. They think, "How wonderful that this person now has "eyes" and that must alleviate the loneiness and cut back on the dark. 
That isn't the same as minimizing someone's emotions, though I can see where someone might feel that way if he/she is going through a lonely dark time. Still, that does perk up the pity sense in people. Of course it also sells and gets donations. But I think TSE and Pilot's logos as described are more realistic. I would hope that no one here has taken offense to what Tracy has said, but I've seen people fawn over their dogs in some meetings; you see logos like this; some of us do overdo that sort of thing publicly. I think we do have to remember, as does the schools, what they really want to convey.
Hope that made some sense. I would agree though that we don't want to turn this into a red hot topic. 

Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


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Subject: [NAGDU] Emotions associated with handling was Re: School logos

Hi Tracy and all,
While I completely agree with you that the job of a dog guide is a very serious one, and all parties involved should recognize and support this assertion, I do think we need to be careful in labeling others’ emotions as “crap”. While I am not one who has experienced loneliness and darkness as a cane traveler, I imagine there are those who may have experienced darkness, loneliness, isolation, and the like prior to receiving a guide. By labeling these emotions, we may be minimizing another’s experience.
I only say this as food for thought, and not to start any heated debates.

Best wishes, Miranda


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> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> GDB's change to a logo of someone hugging their dog was a small part 
> of my decision to switch from GDB to TSE.  OK, so it's a logo, but I 
> felt it was symbolic of some attitudes I didn't care for.  I heard at 
> the time that the GEB logo was similar.
> 
> As I recall, GDB's reason for changing their logo was that they wanted 
> to show the partnership between human and dog, but IMO there is a big 
> difference between a working partnership and a pet partnership, and 
> hugging your dog doesn't show that.
> 
> I know schools, and users, have had trouble with public perceptions 
> about corrections, and I have no problem with moves to use fewer or 
> better corrections, so long as the dog works well.  But I think it's 
> essential the schools emphasize that it's a working dog, doing as 
> serious a job as a police dog, and get away from the "companion in my lonely darkness" crap.
> 
> Could we perhaps bring it up at the convention, or something?  Or 
> brainstorm some PR we'd rather see, that emphasizes the working 
> partnership, then share it with the schools?
> 
> Tracy
> 
> 
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