[NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws

NAGDU President blind411 at verizon.net
Sat Aug 18 21:59:33 UTC 2018


Marianne,

	Which areas of the Denver Zoo were restricted? On the cover of our "Meeting a Working Guide Dog Team" brochure is a picture of Sarge and Gioti, a giraffe at our Lowry Park Zoo, nose to nose!

Marion


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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning via NAGDU
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:47 PM
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Cc: Marianne Denning
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws

We had my guy dog in the zoo the other day. There were certain areas in the Denver zoo where we could not go but most of the zoo was accessible. It was interesting because a giraffe was very interested in the dog and kept staring at the dog the whole time we were in the area. It did not seem upset, just very curious.

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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Jenine Stanley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I’m curious as to what might, beyond a tweet stating policy, have spawned the need to call out this organization. I’d also be curious as to their reasoning behind not allowing puppies in training. 
> 
> did anyone ever think it was possible that the state law gave such wide protections as to be counter productive? Yes, I know, it’s important for puppies to be socialized and all that but how many people are going to simply claim their pet is now a service animal in training? Yes, I also know that if the dog, regardless of its status, can be removed if it is behaving badly, we all know how often places of business do this or want to engage in these kinds of confrontations with people. 
> 
> Regarding zoos, many zoos have undertaken animal desensitization programs so that the animals are not  bothered by the eprsence of well-behaved service animals. This may not extend to unpredictable puppies or dogs in training. 
> 
> fire away, Jordan. 
> 
> Jenine Stanley 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Tara Briggs via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Tara, I was wondering if you could provide a bit more information. Did you try to visit a nature conservatory and were you told you could not bring your guide dog in there? If so, did you ask for a reason and did they refuse to give you one? Thanks.
>> 
>> Melissa R. Allman, Esq.
>> Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations
>> The Seeing Eye, Inc.
>> P.O. Box 375, Morristown, NJ 07963-0375 (mail)
>> 10 Washington Valley Road, Morristown, NJ 07960-3412 (deliveries)
>> 973-539-4425 ext. 1724,     Fax:  973-525-1081 mallman at SeeingEye.org <mailto:mallman at SeeingEye.org>  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 10:54 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Tara Briggs
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws
>> 
>> Hi all! I would be interested in the nature conservatories reasons for not allowing service animals. If the reason is there are frayed that the dogs are going to P on the flowers well that’s not a good reason. But are they afraid that the dogs and the animals might interact in a really bad way? Our local zoo here allows service animals except for in a couple of areas. I was not allowed to bring my service animal into the Lions and tigers area and that is something I fully support!  A friend of mine took her guy dog into the Lions and tigers area and the tiger was trying to eat her service animal. The service animal was absolutely freaked out even though the Tiger had no ability to reach the service animal at all. From my low vision perspective it was really fascinating to watch  because I could see the tiger leaping and I never seen anything like that before or cents. But  my friend got out of there fast and didn’t want anything like that to happen to her dog again and I   didn’t want my own service animal going through that. The other place that ours who does not allow service animals is the wild bird show. This makes sense to me. Last summer I went to bear world and I brought my dog. It worked out fine and it was actually a lot of fun! They had the most fantastic petting zoo and if my memory serves me correctly, I brought my dog in the petting zoo with me and everything went really well. It was the most beautiful friendly deer there and she would just let you walk up to her and pet her. My husband was having neck problems and she walked up to my husband and started licking  his neck over and over again.
>> Anyway, just my thoughts and I would be interested in hearing the experiences of other people who attended nature Conservatory’s or zoos and what your time there with your service animal has been like. 
>> Tara
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You clearly accused me of not knowing the laws in my own state.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I believe this is totally inappropriate for this list. Many of us are 
>>>> not completely cognissant of the laws concerning the dogs in our 
>>>> states, or the ADA or housing either. That is why NAGDU has a hot 
>>>> line. Just because we aren't cognissant of the laws does not imply that we are dumb.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher 
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:14 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandbelto at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws
>>>> 
>>>> Tracey,
>>>> Are you that dumb to think I do not know the laws in my state?  Shows 
>>>> exactly what kind of person you are and how you probably don't even 
>>>> know the laws in the state you live in.
>>>> Jordan
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione 
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:29 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws
>>>> 
>>>> Jordan, are you sure about that?  I think different states have 
>>>> different laws regarding SDITs.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan 
>>>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:08 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws
>>>> 
>>>> I was going through Twitter, and I discovered that the Audobon Nature 
>>>> Institue has decided to not allow in people training service animals 
>>>> nor puppies with their puppy raisers.  This is totally in violation 
>>>> of the White Cane Law which in it it states any trainer or puppy 
>>>> raiser of the dog has the same rights and privileges as a person with 
>>>> a disability would have.  I am on top of this, and going to get them 
>>>> to follow the laws that is for sure.
>>>> 
>>>> Jordan
>>>> 
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