[NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws

Fri Aug 24 14:01:01 UTC 2018

I found some old information but it sounds about the same as I was told
when visiting last week. Here it is.
• CHEETAHS ( to avoid the cheetah yard utilize the north side of the
visitor pathway until you pass the yard)
• WILDLIFE THEATRE
• BIRD WORLD
• LORIKEET ADVENTURE
• PRIMATE PANORAMA FOREST AVIARY
• FELINE BUILDING/EXHIBITS
• GIRAFFE BUILDING

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 5:59 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Marianne,
>
>         Which areas of the Denver Zoo were restricted? On the cover of our
> "Meeting a Working Guide Dog Team" brochure is a picture of Sarge and
> Gioti, a giraffe at our Lowry Park Zoo, nose to nose!
>
> Marion
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
> Denning via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:47 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Marianne Denning
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws
>
> We had my guy dog in the zoo the other day. There were certain areas in
> the Denver zoo where we could not go but most of the zoo was accessible. It
> was interesting because a giraffe was very interested in the dog and kept
> staring at the dog the whole time we were in the area. It did not seem
> upset, just very curious.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Jenine Stanley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I’m curious as to what might, beyond a tweet stating policy, have
> spawned the need to call out this organization. I’d also be curious as to
> their reasoning behind not allowing puppies in training.
> >
> > did anyone ever think it was possible that the state law gave such wide
> protections as to be counter productive? Yes, I know, it’s important for
> puppies to be socialized and all that but how many people are going to
> simply claim their pet is now a service animal in training? Yes, I also
> know that if the dog, regardless of its status, can be removed if it is
> behaving badly, we all know how often places of business do this or want to
> engage in these kinds of confrontations with people.
> >
> > Regarding zoos, many zoos have undertaken animal desensitization
> programs so that the animals are not  bothered by the eprsence of
> well-behaved service animals. This may not extend to unpredictable puppies
> or dogs in training.
> >
> > fire away, Jordan.
> >
> > Jenine Stanley
> >
> >> On Aug 15, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Tara Briggs via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Tara, I was wondering if you could provide a bit more information. Did
> you try to visit a nature conservatory and were you told you could not
> bring your guide dog in there? If so, did you ask for a reason and did they
> refuse to give you one? Thanks.
> >>
> >> Melissa R. Allman, Esq.
> >> Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations
> >> The Seeing Eye, Inc.
> >> P.O. Box 375, Morristown, NJ 07963-0375 (mail)
> >> 10 Washington Valley Road, Morristown, NJ 07960-3412 (deliveries)
> >> 973-539-4425 ext. 1724,     Fax:  973-525-1081 mallman at SeeingEye.org
> <mailto:mallman at SeeingEye.org>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:
> nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 10:54 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Cc: Tara Briggs
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws
> >>
> >> Hi all! I would be interested in the nature conservatories reasons for
> not allowing service animals. If the reason is there are frayed that the
> dogs are going to P on the flowers well that’s not a good reason. But are
> they afraid that the dogs and the animals might interact in a really bad
> way? Our local zoo here allows service animals except for in a couple of
> areas. I was not allowed to bring my service animal into the Lions and
> tigers area and that is something I fully support!  A friend of mine took
> her guy dog into the Lions and tigers area and the tiger was trying to eat
> her service animal. The service animal was absolutely freaked out even
> though the Tiger had no ability to reach the service animal at all. From my
> low vision perspective it was really fascinating to watch  because I could
> see the tiger leaping and I never seen anything like that before or cents.
> But  my friend got out of there fast and didn’t want anything like that to
> happen to her dog again and I   didn’t want my own service animal going
> through that. The other place that ours who does not allow service animals
> is the wild bird show. This makes sense to me. Last summer I went to bear
> world and I brought my dog. It worked out fine and it was actually a lot of
> fun! They had the most fantastic petting zoo and if my memory serves me
> correctly, I brought my dog in the petting zoo with me and everything went
> really well. It was the most beautiful friendly deer there and she would
> just let you walk up to her and pet her. My husband was having neck
> problems and she walked up to my husband and started licking  his neck over
> and over again.
> >> Anyway, just my thoughts and I would be interested in hearing the
> experiences of other people who attended nature Conservatory’s or zoos and
> what your time there with your service animal has been like.
> >> Tara
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You clearly accused me of not knowing the laws in my own state.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe this is totally inappropriate for this list. Many of us are
> >>>> not completely cognissant of the laws concerning the dogs in our
> >>>> states, or the ADA or housing either. That is why NAGDU has a hot
> >>>> line. Just because we aren't cognissant of the laws does not imply
> that we are dumb.
> >>>> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
> >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
> >>>> via NAGDU
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:14 AM
> >>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandbelto at gmail.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws
> >>>>
> >>>> Tracey,
> >>>> Are you that dumb to think I do not know the laws in my state?  Shows
> >>>> exactly what kind of person you are and how you probably don't even
> >>>> know the laws in the state you live in.
> >>>> Jordan
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> >>>> via NAGDU
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:29 AM
> >>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws
> >>>>
> >>>> Jordan, are you sure about that?  I think different states have
> >>>> different laws regarding SDITs.
> >>>> Tracy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
> >>>> Gallacher via NAGDU
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:08 AM
> >>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
> >>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Just caught an organization violating state laws
> >>>>
> >>>> I was going through Twitter, and I discovered that the Audobon Nature
> >>>> Institue has decided to not allow in people training service animals
> >>>> nor puppies with their puppy raisers.  This is totally in violation
> >>>> of the White Cane Law which in it it states any trainer or puppy
> >>>> raiser of the dog has the same rights and privileges as a person with
> >>>> a disability would have.  I am on top of this, and going to get them
> >>>> to follow the laws that is for sure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jordan
> >>>>
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