[NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls

Thu Dec 13 16:20:05 UTC 2018

Marion,

I agree that this policy should in no way affect us as guide dog users. 
However, I am wondering how the age of the dog will be verified?  Will they 
now be routinely asking the age of the dog, or asking for some sort of 
documentation? Common sense would suggest that the average person would be 
able to tell the difference between a very young puppy and an adult dog. 
However my experience with assuming that everyone has been blessed with 
common sense has  left me sorely disappointed.

Julie
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-----Original Message----- 
From: NAGDU President via NAGDU
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on 
all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls

Dear All,

I want to reiterate Mike's assertion that Delta is working with the National 
Association of Guide Dog Users and the National Federation of the Blind to 
ensure that guide dog users do not face discrimination when using their 
services. We have an excellent relationship with Delta and a very high level 
of open communication. As an example. Tim bishop, a member of Delta's upper 
management team with whom we have been meeting since February, called me on 
Tuesday to give me the heads-up that they were releasing this new policy. 
Since it is improbable that a four-month-old puppy would be a guide dog, 
this policy does not, in any way, affect us as guide dog users.

Fraternally yours,
Marion

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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on 
all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls

Nancy,

Delta rescinded the original bad policy. There is no detrimental policy of 
which I am aware concerning Delta and service animals. GDB is behind the 
times if they won't use Delta. NAGDU talks and meets regularly with Delta 
and we have become a regular part of their input stream. Delta discusses 
with Marion and others changes they consider involving service animals.

I think we know pretty much what goes on with Delta. It is unfortunate that 
GDB has taken a hands-off position especially since they also submitted a 
letter to Delta when the original questionable policy was sent out earlier 
this year.

As I said yesterday, training of airline personnel may be an issue in some 
cases. We are working with Delta to insure that they do proper training. As 
I requested yesterday, we want to know of any problems anyone has with delta 
people.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Nancy VanderBrink via 
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on 
all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls

So, Michael, we just returned from GDB two weeks ago and they told us that 
they do not put returning students on Delta flights because of the issues 
with service animals. It sounds like they are concerned about it being a big 
problem. I don’t know if you have any thoughts on that or what not but that 
is what we were told. We flew out from Delta because we flew through Atlanta 
but we flew back on United and came through Dullis and then down to our 
airport here in South Carolina. It was a very long long day!

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using 
voice dictation Nancy Irwin Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:

Also, puppy raisers work out appropriate details with the airlines as their 
charges are not yet service dogs. If Delta's new rules effect this then it 
is not something we can address. NAGDU is concerned about guide dogs which 
are classified as service dogs. Puppies in training, as already has been 
mentioned here, are not yet trained and different airlines have been willing 
to transport them as special considerations.

Mike H.

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From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via NAGDU
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:31 AM
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Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on 
all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls

Cindy,

Puppies that young are typically not exposed to anything as stressful as 
airplanes.  typically really young puppies are learning things like 
housebreaking, to walk on different surfaces, to be okay around different 
sorts of people, and to not whine for their mamas and littermates.  Training 
should be age appropriate, and IMO plane travel training is not age 
appropriate.

Of course there is the issue of transporting puppies to/from puppy raisers, 
trainers or breeders.  That is an entirely different issue though, as the 
dog is not being presented as working for the handler or being in the 
process of being formally trained.

Julie
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:16 PM
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Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on 
all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls

My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four 
months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you 
actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on 
all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls

Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not covered 
under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn’t have anything to do with 
the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved emotional 
support animals…Nah…has to be something else.

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Is this illegal?
>
> Why would they do this?
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-su
> pport-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-long
> er-hauls-2018-12-10
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