[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 165, Issue 9

Mardi Hadfield wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com
Fri Dec 14 04:52:48 UTC 2018


Hi every one,On October 31 of this year, I flew with a new guide dog to
visit my sister in Tennessee. I did not fly Delta,nor do I ever intend to
fly Delta. I flew Southwest airlines. I had absolutely no problems. But I
did notice that on the Tucson end,the TSA were pretty lax when people were
going through security. My connecting flight, still on South west, the TSA
was more thorough when checking us out.My returning home flight,still
Southwest, in Tennessee, was extremely Thorough. To the point of examining
every inch my wheelchair and dog and they even made me take off my wrist
braces and examining every inch of them. Incidentally, my dog, a Dutch
Shepherd, was only a year old. I had to purchase this dog at 11 months in
August and I got up at 5am every morning to train her. I had to teach her
the basics of guiding and have her ready to fly at the end of October. She
was already obedience trained when I bought her. With only 2 months and 2
weeks of training, Gypsy did not disappoint me. She was a little nervous on
take off, but once in the air,she settled right down under the seat and was
perfect on all the rest of my flights. Dutch Shepherds are incredibly
smart, and if I was working with any other breed, I don't think I could
have made this flight with a dog.If I thought that she was not ready for
it, I would not have taken her, but she was so good. I am still training
her for all the other things I need her to do and she is so willing to
learn and learns so fast. The first week that I had her, she was already
stopping at most of the driveways and crossing streets. She ignored the
dogs on our route, that ran the fences and charged her. She used great self
control when she saw a cat ,and when I told her to leave it, she did. One
day we were waiting to cross the street, and out of nowhere ,came a rabbit.
It ran past us so fast that she did not even have time to do any thing as
it was gone and she just looked around wondering, what was that?  Gypsy is
going to be a top notch guide dog.     Mardi and Gypsy

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>    1. Re: NAGDU Digest, Vol 165, Issue 8 (Retina)
>    2. Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Jessica Dail)
>    3. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (cindyray at gmail.com)
>    4. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Buddy Brannan)
>    5. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (cindyray at gmail.com)
>    6. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Julie Johnson)
>    7. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls (David)
>    8. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Michael Hingson)
>    9. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (cindyray at gmail.com)
>   10. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Michael Hingson)
>   11. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Nancy VanderBrink)
>   12. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls (David)
>   13. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Jordan Gallacher)
>   14. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Michael Hingson)
>   15. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Buddy Brannan)
>   16. Re: Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
>       flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>       (Diane Marks)
>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:44:28 -0800
> From: Retina <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 165, Issue 8
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> I have thought here that might be helpful.  Metukah is eight, and has used
> shoes before.  She did fine when we introduced her to them, with of course
> that wonderful freaky, wonky stumbling at first that is so comical.  But in
> minutes she had it down and got normal.
>
> This is not the part that will help you it sounds like. Just to say we
> have experience with shoes. It seems that she goes a little nuts anytime
> that there's been over a year between events. So perhaps every dog has some
> level of this anyway. Here is something that might be helpful, because I
> was recently in a situation where I was going to take her many miles on a
> rocky beach area. I had not thought ahead and it never occurred to me that
> we would need shoes for her there. What the stores had was way too big for
> her. So I cut a pair of my own socks, after putting them up on her feet and
> well up past the transition joint of shoulder to leg. There's that little
> knobby area up there where you can secure a human sized sock and it
> basically covers much of the leg. The toe of socks is usually a little bit
> reinforced. I often have a little roll of paper tape with me, the kind that
> you can get in a first aid department at the store, or at the dollar store.
> I pulled up the sock and made a rap at the around the upper joint, and then
> another rep behind the toes and heel pad, the equivalent of what would be
> ankle for us. This secured the sock up the leg and around the operating
> area of the foot. On rocky gravel and varied sand, we got about 3 miles out
> of those socks. When I wore them out I turned them over top to bottom
> surface, and got another 2 miles out of that! It was very comfortable for
> her. This will not work on snow and ice because it will transmit cold. But
> it will work with abrasive and hot surfaces. The point I'm making for you,
> is not this. The point is they are extremely comfortable once you have them
> on and they don't change much of anything about the walk. This might make a
> good transition device for you. I think that putting on regular shoes after
> that we'll be less of a challenge, does anybody have thoughts on this
> question mark Best of luck!
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> >   1. Re: looking for suggestions regarding stress while wearing
> >      dog shoes (Nancy VanderBrink)
> >   2. Re: looking for suggestions regarding stress while wearing
> >      dog shoes (Tracy Carcione)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:31:54 +0000
> > From: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >       <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] looking for suggestions regarding stress while
> >       wearing dog shoes
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> > At GDB last week my trainer had us put the shoes on the dog and then
> they got to play a lot!. It was a lot of fun and they really seem to enjoy
> it and I have found it to be helpful.
> >
> > Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> voice dictation
> > Nancy Irwin
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:06 PM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Raul,
> > Here?s what I would do.
> > First, don?t make him be in harness in the beginning. Keep him in the
> house where he is most relaxed. Next, only put one boot on him at first,
> then treat him, praise highly, and take it off immediately. Gradually
> increase the time until he tolerates that one shoe, then do two. It may
> take a long time, but you may see results this way. The important thing is
> to not let him get stressed if possible.
> > Aleeha
> >
> >> On Dec 10, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi yes, I have let him sniff them and I have praised him a lot. A
> minute or less after he has them on, he starts panting as if he's thirsty,
> a sign that he's stressing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Raul A. Gallegos
> >> First Vice President - NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
> >> Treasurer - Texas Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Board Member - National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> M: 832.554.7285   O: 832.639.4477
> >> Home: raul at raulgallegos.com   Work: training at RGATS.com
> >> Twitter: @rga7285
> >>
> >> ?Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> >>> On 12/10/2018 3:30 PM, Keri Svendsen via NAGDU wrote:
> >>> The one thing my pup likes is to sniff them before I put them on. Have
> you tried that?
> >>>> On 12/10/2018 2:28 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>> Hello all, my guide, Larry, is 3 now and will be 4 in March 2019. I
> confess that I have not used the dog shoes a lot since getting him when he
> was almost 2. However, this past summer when I really needed them because
> of the very hot Texas weather, I put them on him and it stressed him out a
> lot. So much that he peed while we were doing nothing more than standing
> while waiting for our ride. I remember learning how I should put 2 on at a
> time and then play a little with him to show him it's no big deal, but the
> issue with this is that I dropped the ball and didn't get him used to them.
> Then when the summer came around, it was necessary to avoid him walking on
> extremely hot concrete while trying to get from the building we working at
> to our ride.
> >>>>
> >>>> If someone has suggestions on how I can minimize this and try to get
> him to see this as fun, please let me know. Yes, I also realize that doing
> this when it was needed right away wasn't the smartest thing. So, now that
> we are in winter-time in Texas where they are definitely not needed, I'd
> like to start getting him used to them so as the weather gets warmer, he
> will be used to it by then.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:21:34 -0500
> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,      the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> >       <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] looking for suggestions regarding stress while
> >       wearing dog shoes
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> > Hi Raul.
> > Is it possible the shoes don't fit him well?  Maybe a different style
> > might be more comfortable?
> > I had some shoes that were like socks with lether soles, and Velcro to
> > hold them on.  They might protect his feet from heat, while being more
> > forgiving/roomy than harder shoes.  My trouble was they would sometimes
> > fall off, and they weren't too useful in the snow, since they got wet.
> > They'd be better in dry conditions.
> > I've totally forgotten the brand, though.
> > Tracy
> >
> >> Hello all, my guide, Larry, is 3 now and will be 4 in March 2019. I
> >> confess that I have not used the dog shoes a lot since getting him when
> >> he was almost 2. However, this past summer when I really needed them
> >> because of the very hot Texas weather, I put them on him and it stressed
> >> him out a lot. So much that he peed while we were doing nothing more
> >> than standing while waiting for our ride. I remember learning how I
> >> should put 2 on at a time and then play a little with him to show him
> >> it's no big deal, but the issue with this is that I dropped the ball and
> >> didn't get him used to them. Then when the summer came around, it was
> >> necessary to avoid him walking on extremely hot concrete while trying to
> >> get from the building we working at to our ride.
> >>
> >> If someone has suggestions on how I can minimize this and try to get him
> >> to see this as fun, please let me know. Yes, I also realize that doing
> >> this when it was needed right away wasn't the smartest thing. So, now
> >> that we are in winter-time in Texas where they are definitely not
> >> needed, I'd like to start getting him used to them so as the weather
> >> gets warmer, he will be used to it by then.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Raul A. Gallegos
> >> First Vice President - NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
> >> Treasurer - Texas Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Board Member - National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> M: 832.554.7285   W: 832.639.4477
> >> Email: raul at raulgallegos.com
> >> Twitter: @rga7285
> >>
> >> ???Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" - Dr. Kenneth
> Jernigan
> >>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:02:57 -0500
> From: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
>         all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> Message-ID: <643C6A6D-1256-403E-AF1C-FD4262A275FA at gmail.com>
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> Hi,
> Is this illegal?
>
> Why would they do this?
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-2018-12-10
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:12:26 -0600
> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> Message-ID: <08c601d49246$3cd7d210$b6877630$@gmail.com>
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> The only problem I see with this is banning service animals under four
> months of age. If someone is, for instance, training a guide, this is a
> problem. I don't believe that this will be a problem legally with emotional
> support animals.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jessica Dail via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:03 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
> flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Hi,
> Is this illegal?
>
> Why would they do this?
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-
>
> animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-201
> 8-12-10
> <https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-2018-12-10>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:06:25 -0600
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
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> Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not covered
> under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to do with
> the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved emotional
> support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
>
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is this illegal?
> >
> > Why would they do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jessica
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-2018-12-10
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0600
> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> Message-ID: <08c701d49246$ccdda1f0$6698e5d0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"
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>
> My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not covered
> under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to do with
> the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved emotional
> support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
>
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is this illegal?
> >
> > Why would they do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jessica
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-2018-12-10
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:31:24 -0600
> From: "Julie Johnson" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
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> Cindy,
>
> Puppies that young are typically not exposed to anything as stressful as
> airplanes.  typically really young puppies are learning things like
> housebreaking, to walk on different surfaces, to be okay around different
> sorts of people, and to not whine for their mamas and littermates.
> Training
> should be age appropriate, and IMO plane travel training is not age
> appropriate.
>
> Of course there is the issue of transporting puppies to/from puppy
> raisers,
> trainers or breeders.  That is an entirely different issue though, as the
> dog is not being presented as working for the handler or being in the
> process of being formally trained.
>
> Julie
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
>
> My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:06 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not covered
> under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to do with
> the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved
> emotional
> support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
>
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is this illegal?
> >
> > Why would they do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jessica
> >
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-2018-12-10
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:33:53 -0500
> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> Message-ID: <2af69544-7150-8276-459a-604ac8de93e7 at bakerinet.com>
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>
> Handlers with dogs in training are not protected under the ADA or the
> ACAA.? Airlines often let them travel as a courtesy, but are not
> required to do so.
>
> *David in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com*
> *
> *
> On 12/12/2018 1:16 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
> > My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:06 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> > Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not
> covered under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to
> do with the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved
> emotional support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
> >
> >> On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> Is this illegal?
> >>
> >> Why would they do this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jessica
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-2018-12-10
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:56:58 -0800
> From: "Michael Hingson" <mike at michaelhingson.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> Message-ID: <005701d4925d$395f7cc0$ac1e7640$@michaelhingson.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi all,
>
> There is no problem here. No legitimate service animal will be under four
> months of age anyway. Remember that training is what a service animal is
> all
> about.
>
> Puppies have often urinated on aircraft in flight because they do not have
> enough bladder control and because their handlers do not take proper steps
> to deal with them during travel.
>
> This is nothing new. The fake service and emotional support animal crowd
> and
> even legitimate emotional support animal people who do not control their
> animals are what has caused Delta's reaction. This announcement will not
> and
> does not effect blind people with guide dogs.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
> Vice President, NAGDU
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jessica Dail via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:03 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
> flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Hi,
> Is this illegal?
>
> Why would they do this?
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-
>
> animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-201
> 8-12-10
> <https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-2018-12-10>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:14:15 -0600
> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> Message-ID: <091e01d4925f$a34985c0$e9dc9140$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"
>
> OK, Julie, thanks. I honestly didn't think so, but I needed to be sure.
> Cindy Lou
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:31 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Cindy,
>
> Puppies that young are typically not exposed to anything as stressful as
> airplanes.  typically really young puppies are learning things like
> housebreaking, to walk on different surfaces, to be okay around different
> sorts of people, and to not whine for their mamas and littermates.
> Training should be age appropriate, and IMO plane travel training is not
> age appropriate.
>
> Of course there is the issue of transporting puppies to/from puppy
> raisers, trainers or breeders.  That is an entirely different issue though,
> as the dog is not being presented as working for the handler or being in
> the process of being formally trained.
>
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall <
> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046
> >
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
>
> My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:06 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not covered
> under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to do with
> the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved emotional
> support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
>
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is this illegal?
> >
> > Why would they do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jessica
> > https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-su
> > pport-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-long
> > er-hauls-2018-12-10
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:38:59 -0800
> From: "Michael Hingson" <mike at michaelhingson.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
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> Also, puppy raisers work out appropriate details with the airlines as
> their charges are not yet service dogs. If Delta's new rules effect this
> then it is not something we can address. NAGDU is concerned about guide
> dogs which are classified as service dogs. Puppies in training, as already
> has been mentioned here, are not yet trained and different airlines have
> been willing to transport them as special considerations.
>
>
> Mike H.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:31 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Cindy,
>
> Puppies that young are typically not exposed to anything as stressful as
> airplanes.  typically really young puppies are learning things like
> housebreaking, to walk on different surfaces, to be okay around different
> sorts of people, and to not whine for their mamas and littermates.
> Training should be age appropriate, and IMO plane travel training is not
> age appropriate.
>
> Of course there is the issue of transporting puppies to/from puppy
> raisers, trainers or breeders.  That is an entirely different issue though,
> as the dog is not being presented as working for the handler or being in
> the process of being formally trained.
>
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall <
> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046
> >
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
>
> My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:06 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not covered
> under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to do with
> the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved emotional
> support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
>
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is this illegal?
> >
> > Why would they do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jessica
> > https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-su
> > pport-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-long
> > er-hauls-2018-12-10
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:00:17 +0000
> From: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
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> So, Michael, we just returned from GDB two weeks ago and they told us that
> they do not put returning students on Delta flights because of the issues
> with service animals. It sounds like they are concerned about it being a
> big problem. I don?t know if you have any thoughts on that or what not but
> that is what we were told. We flew out from Delta because we flew through
> Atlanta but we flew back on United and came through Dullis and then down to
> our airport here in South Carolina. It was a very long long day!
>
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> voice dictation
> Nancy Irwin
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Also, puppy raisers work out appropriate details with the airlines as
> their charges are not yet service dogs. If Delta's new rules effect this
> then it is not something we can address. NAGDU is concerned about guide
> dogs which are classified as service dogs. Puppies in training, as already
> has been mentioned here, are not yet trained and different airlines have
> been willing to transport them as special considerations.
>
>
> Mike H.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:31 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Cindy,
>
> Puppies that young are typically not exposed to anything as stressful as
> airplanes.  typically really young puppies are learning things like
> housebreaking, to walk on different surfaces, to be okay around different
> sorts of people, and to not whine for their mamas and littermates.
> Training should be age appropriate, and IMO plane travel training is not
> age appropriate.
>
> Of course there is the issue of transporting puppies to/from puppy
> raisers, trainers or breeders.  That is an entirely different issue though,
> as the dog is not being presented as working for the handler or being in
> the process of being formally trained.
>
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall <
> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046
> >
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
>
> My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:06 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not covered
> under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to do with
> the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved emotional
> support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
>
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is this illegal?
> >
> > Why would they do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jessica
> > https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-su
> > pport-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-long
> > er-hauls-2018-12-10
> >
> >
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:49:38 -0500
> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> To: Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> Message-ID: <d2047a76-3064-3d49-ff6e-348f5293acb7 at bakerinet.com>
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> I fly Delta with a 70 lb lab/golden cross and have never had a negative
> incident with Delta.? In fact, Delta is my preferred airline.? Atlanta's
> TSA people are another matter, though.
>
> *David in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com*
> *
> *
> On 12/12/2018 5:00 PM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU wrote:
> > So, Michael, we just returned from GDB two weeks ago and they told us
> that they do not put returning students on Delta flights because of the
> issues with service animals. It sounds like they are concerned about it
> being a big problem. I don?t know if you have any thoughts on that or what
> not but that is what we were told. We flew out from Delta because we flew
> through Atlanta but we flew back on United and came through Dullis and then
> down to our airport here in South Carolina. It was a very long long day!
> >
> > Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> voice dictation
> > Nancy Irwin
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Also, puppy raisers work out appropriate details with the airlines as
> their charges are not yet service dogs. If Delta's new rules effect this
> then it is not something we can address. NAGDU is concerned about guide
> dogs which are classified as service dogs. Puppies in training, as already
> has been mentioned here, are not yet trained and different airlines have
> been willing to transport them as special considerations.
> >
> >
> > Mike H.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
> NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:31 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> > Cindy,
> >
> > Puppies that young are typically not exposed to anything as stressful as
> airplanes.  typically really young puppies are learning things like
> housebreaking, to walk on different surfaces, to be okay around different
> sorts of people, and to not whine for their mamas and littermates.
> Training should be age appropriate, and IMO plane travel training is not
> age appropriate.
> >
> > Of course there is the issue of transporting puppies to/from puppy
> raisers, trainers or breeders.  That is an entirely different issue though,
> as the dog is not being presented as working for the handler or being in
> the process of being formally trained.
> >
> > Julie
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall <
> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> >
> > My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:06 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> > Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not
> covered under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to
> do with the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved
> emotional support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
> >
> >> On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> Is this illegal?
> >>
> >> Why would they do this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jessica
> >> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-su
> >> pport-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-long
> >> er-hauls-2018-12-10
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:15:38 -0500
> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandbelto at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> Message-ID: <B7183946-4FA3-4F4D-A502-CF2F6C3EA419 at gmail.com>
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> Oh my service animal related issues have been with Delta Airlines.
> Jordan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > So, Michael, we just returned from GDB two weeks ago and they told us
> that they do not put returning students on Delta flights because of the
> issues with service animals. It sounds like they are concerned about it
> being a big problem. I don?t know if you have any thoughts on that or what
> not but that is what we were told. We flew out from Delta because we flew
> through Atlanta but we flew back on United and came through Dullis and then
> down to our airport here in South Carolina. It was a very long long day!
> >
> > Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> voice dictation
> > Nancy Irwin
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Also, puppy raisers work out appropriate details with the airlines as
> their charges are not yet service dogs. If Delta's new rules effect this
> then it is not something we can address. NAGDU is concerned about guide
> dogs which are classified as service dogs. Puppies in training, as already
> has been mentioned here, are not yet trained and different airlines have
> been willing to transport them as special considerations.
> >
> >
> > Mike H.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
> NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:31 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> > Cindy,
> >
> > Puppies that young are typically not exposed to anything as stressful as
> airplanes.  typically really young puppies are learning things like
> housebreaking, to walk on different surfaces, to be okay around different
> sorts of people, and to not whine for their mamas and littermates.
> Training should be age appropriate, and IMO plane travel training is not
> age appropriate.
> >
> > Of course there is the issue of transporting puppies to/from puppy
> raisers, trainers or breeders.  That is an entirely different issue though,
> as the dog is not being presented as working for the handler or being in
> the process of being formally trained.
> >
> > Julie
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall <
> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> >
> > My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:06 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> > Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not
> covered under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to
> do with the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved
> emotional support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
> >
> >> On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> Is this illegal?
> >>
> >> Why would they do this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jessica
> >> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-su
> >> pport-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-long
> >> er-hauls-2018-12-10
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:19:11 -0800
> From: "Michael Hingson" <mike at michaelhingson.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> Message-ID: <000201d4929a$ffd5fd60$ff81f820$@michaelhingson.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"
>
> Jordan,
>
> What issues have you had within the last year? It would be helpful to know
> about them.
>
> For everyone. While what Delta has done may not affect us, but untrained
> personnel are a different story. It is important that you tell Marion  and
> me about any problems you have.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 5:16 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandbelto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on
> all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
>
> Oh my service animal related issues have been with Delta Airlines.
> Jordan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > So, Michael, we just returned from GDB two weeks ago and they told us
> that they do not put returning students on Delta flights because of the
> issues with service animals. It sounds like they are concerned about it
> being a big problem. I don?t know if you have any thoughts on that or what
> not but that is what we were told. We flew out from Delta because we flew
> through Atlanta but we flew back on United and came through Dullis and then
> down to our airport here in South Carolina. It was a very long long day!
> >
> > Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated
> > using voice dictation Nancy Irwin Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Also, puppy raisers work out appropriate details with the airlines as
> their charges are not yet service dogs. If Delta's new rules effect this
> then it is not something we can address. NAGDU is concerned about guide
> dogs which are classified as service dogs. Puppies in training, as already
> has been mentioned here, are not yet trained and different airlines have
> been willing to transport them as special considerations.
> >
> >
> > Mike H.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
> > NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:31 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> > on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> > Cindy,
> >
> > Puppies that young are typically not exposed to anything as stressful as
> airplanes.  typically really young puppies are learning things like
> housebreaking, to walk on different surfaces, to be okay around different
> sorts of people, and to not whine for their mamas and littermates.
> Training should be age appropriate, and IMO plane travel training is not
> age appropriate.
> >
> > Of course there is the issue of transporting puppies to/from puppy
> raisers, trainers or breeders.  That is an entirely different issue though,
> as the dog is not being presented as working for the handler or being in
> the process of being formally trained.
> >
> > Julie
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> > <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?stor
> > eid=1916046>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> > on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> >
> > My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> > NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:06 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> > on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> > Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not
> covered under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to
> do with the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved
> emotional support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
> >
> >> On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> Is this illegal?
> >>
> >> Why would they do this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jessica
> >> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-s
> >> u
> >> pport-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-lon
> >> g
> >> er-hauls-2018-12-10
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:26:44 -0600
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
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> Hi Cindy,
>
> It isn?t, because no dog is too young to learn *something*, but at that
> point, it isn?t a service dog, but a puppy in training. Puppies in training
> are in no ways covered by ACAA or ADA.
>
> > On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > My only concern was where it says service or support animals under four
> months of age. If  you are training a guide, how old are they when you
> actually start. Under four months seems young, but I am not sure it is.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
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> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:06 PM
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> > Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
> on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> > Nope. Emotional support animals are not service dogs, and are not
> covered under the ACAA. Why would they do this? Couldn?t have anything to
> do with the huger spike in the number of people flying with badly behaved
> emotional support animals?Nah?has to be something else.
> >
> >> On Dec 12, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Jessica Dail via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> Is this illegal?
> >>
> >> Why would they do this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jessica
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-2018-12-10
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 05:56:00 +0000
> From: Diane Marks <blind.springbok at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals
>         on all flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
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> Hi all, I?m sorry to hear this with regards to delta.
> I am going to say something similar here regarding those who might be
> travelling on one of the airlines based in the Middle East. Be warned that
> emirates and Turkish airlines have been told they cannot touch disabled
> passengers and nor can disabled passengers touch them so assistance for
> disabled passengers on these flights are now becoming incredibly difficult.
> I know this as I?ve just booked a flight from London to Durban, South
> Africa via Dubai. So be warned. They apparently want me in a wheelchair and
> I?ve had this nonsense before so i?ve told them in no uncertain
> circumstances that i will not be going in a wheelchair. I?m blind and can
> walk. So please be sweet of this.
> Thank you all.
>
>
> Diane Marks
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> Email: blind.springbok at gmail.com
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>
> > On 12 Dec 2018, at 20:56, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > There is no problem here. No legitimate service animal will be under four
> > months of age anyway. Remember that training is what a service animal is
> all
> > about.
> >
> > Puppies have often urinated on aircraft in flight because they do not
> have
> > enough bladder control and because their handlers do not take proper
> steps
> > to deal with them during travel.
> >
> > This is nothing new. The fake service and emotional support animal crowd
> and
> > even legitimate emotional support animal people who do not control their
> > animals are what has caused Delta's reaction. This announcement will not
> and
> > does not effect blind people with guide dogs.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> > Michael Hingson
> > Vice President, NAGDU
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jessica Dail via
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> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:03 AM
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> > Subject: [NAGDU] Delta bans kittens and puppies as support animals on all
> > flights and all emotional support animals on longer hauls
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is this illegal?
> >
> > Why would they do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jessica
> >
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-bans-kittens-and-puppies-as-support-
> >
> animals-on-all-flights-and-all-emotional-support-animals-on-longer-hauls-201
> > 8-12-10
> >
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