[NAGDU] bulkhead seating

Ricky Joe Cook rickyjoecook at comcast.net
Sat Feb 3 23:14:33 UTC 2018 

Is this really allowed?

I thought they couldn't make blind people do things that other passengers 
do.

I don't think they should be able to charge you more if you book it 
yourself. I should be allowed if I like to book the bulkhead seatting myself 
if I want.

What do you think?

Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy


-----Original Message----- 
From: Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 2:50 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Nancy VanderBrink
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bulkhead seating

We’re flying to Philly the 11th and American said if my husband & I booked 
the bulkhead seats ourselves it would cost more.  If the access desk did it, 
we wouldn’t be charged extra - weird...  they’re supposed to call us on the 
8th.  I hope they will because we’re taking two dogs.

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using 
voice dictation
Nancy Irwin


> On Feb 3, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> But when did a bulkhead seat start costing more. I don't regard that as an 
> upgrade personally.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:34 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bulkhead seating
>
> According to the Air Carrier Access Act, airlines do not have to upgrade 
> you to a new class of service when accommodating you. They are only 
> obligated to put you in the best seat for you in your situation that falls 
> in the same class, unless you are willing to pay for the upgrade.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 1:05 PM, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that’s the way it has usually been. I don’t know what has happened. 
>> I just arrived in Hawaii 2 days ago from Anchorage and Alaska refused to 
>> put me in bulkhead unless I paid their  premium seat charge.  What do you 
>> do? I wanted to get out of this freezer (Alaska) so bad, I paid it!
>>
>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Wayne & Harley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> *Hello Brian,
>>> When I flew with Delta last October, on the advice of a SD owner that is 
>>> a retired Delta employee, I called Delta's Disability Services to select 
>>> my seats, I identified that I would be traveling with my Guide Dog and 
>>> Delta waived the extra fee and gave me a free upgrade to the seats that 
>>> I had chosen.
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Wayne And Harley D
>>>
>>> k9dad at k9di.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *On 1/26/2018 11:19 AM, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Jenine, an interesting phenomenon has happened in regards to "bulkhead" 
>>>> seating. Some airlines use that as premium seating. You have to pay 
>>>> extra. I have experienced that Delta and now Alaska Airlines. My Guide 
>>>> is a enormous Golden. Now I have to pay on some flights a very high 
>>>> price to sit in bulkhead. Delta wanted to charge me close to 300$ for 
>>>> that. AK Air is charging me 75$. I never had to pay extra for bulkhead 
>>>> until about 6 months ago.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all the advocacy you do. Keep it up please!   Bryan Gearry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/26/2018 3:31 AM, Jenine Stanley via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Jordan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Let’s be specific here. Your big dog doesn’t or didn’t fit under a 
>>>>> seat. I’ve had 2 larger dogs who fit just fine under most aircraft 
>>>>> seats and my husband’s first dog was larger than mine. He curled up 
>>>>> nicely under aircraft seats and preferred them to bulkhead. My smaller 
>>>>> dogs spread like dirty laundry in larger spaces.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I encourage people to do at home before flying is to 
>>>>> encourage your dog to lie down and under your dining room chair if 
>>>>> possible, or other seats where they can lie completely under the seat 
>>>>> so they get the practice of going into small spaces.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, bits and pieces can sneak out but generally, unless there’s an 
>>>>> equipment box under that seat, most dogs can fit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the commuter jets and some larger jets have their seating 
>>>>> configured so that the bulkhead space is much smaller, floor 
>>>>> space-wise, than under the other seats. Once I point this out to the 
>>>>> flight crew, they usually give up on forcing us to sit there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just Sayin’.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope they do not on this issue.  If it was unsafe they would not let 
>>>>>> you do it.  Besides, a big dog will not fit under a seat anyway.  I 
>>>>>> have tried and it does not happen. No way no how.  It does not 
>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Scott Berry via
>>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:24 PM
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>>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>> Cc: Scott Berry <sb356607 at gmail.com <mailto:sb356607 at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bulkhead seating
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed and so we need to be the ones who do it cause no one else will 
>>>>>> advocate on our behalf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 5:52 PM, margo Downey via NAGDU 
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I don't understand flight attendants' reasoning about the 
>>>>>>> bulkhead.  It seems as though airlines personnel need further 
>>>>>>> training.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>>>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:34 PM
>>>>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing
>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bulkhead seating
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last time I flew, I was offered bulkhead seating.  The flight 
>>>>>>> attendant’s reasoning, and this is as close to a direct quote as I 
>>>>>>> can recollect: “He’ll be more comfortable because there’s more space 
>>>>>>> and he can stretch out.  Also if there’s rough air he’ll be safer 
>>>>>>> because he can’t be tossed around”.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm...I’m still trying to sort out the logic here.  Which is it, 
>>>>>>> lots of space to stretch out or safety because he’s in a small 
>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
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