[NAGDU] bulkhead seating

Sun Feb 4 03:09:37 UTC 2018

Ricky, they can charge us for that seat if they are charging extra for others to sit in it. That would be like saying you should always get to go first class free. I guess that I have some rather negative feelings about the paying less by going through the accessibility desk, but I may come from a different era. I sure won't try to get it, and I won't pay extra for it if I am forced to sit there.
Cindy Lou Ray
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bulkhead seating

Is this really allowed?

I thought they couldn't make blind people do things that other passengers do.

I don't think they should be able to charge you more if you book it yourself. I should be allowed if I like to book the bulkhead seatting myself if I want.

What do you think?

Ricky Joe Cook & Darcy

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From: Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bulkhead seating

We’re flying to Philly the 11th and American said if my husband & I booked the bulkhead seats ourselves it would cost more.  If the access desk did it, we wouldn’t be charged extra - weird...  they’re supposed to call us on the 8th.  I hope they will because we’re taking two dogs.

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation Nancy Irwin

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> But when did a bulkhead seat start costing more. I don't regard that as an 
> upgrade personally.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
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> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:34 PM
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> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bulkhead seating
>
> According to the Air Carrier Access Act, airlines do not have to upgrade 
> you to a new class of service when accommodating you. They are only 
> obligated to put you in the best seat for you in your situation that falls 
> in the same class, unless you are willing to pay for the upgrade.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 1:05 PM, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that’s the way it has usually been. I don’t know what has happened. 
>> I just arrived in Hawaii 2 days ago from Anchorage and Alaska refused to 
>> put me in bulkhead unless I paid their  premium seat charge.  What do you 
>> do? I wanted to get out of this freezer (Alaska) so bad, I paid it!
>>
>> Sent from Bryan's IPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Wayne & Harley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> *Hello Brian,
>>> When I flew with Delta last October, on the advice of a SD owner that is 
>>> a retired Delta employee, I called Delta's Disability Services to select 
>>> my seats, I identified that I would be traveling with my Guide Dog and 
>>> Delta waived the extra fee and gave me a free upgrade to the seats that 
>>> I had chosen.
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Wayne And Harley D
>>>
>>> k9dad at k9di.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *On 1/26/2018 11:19 AM, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Jenine, an interesting phenomenon has happened in regards to "bulkhead" 
>>>> seating. Some airlines use that as premium seating. You have to pay 
>>>> extra. I have experienced that Delta and now Alaska Airlines. My Guide 
>>>> is a enormous Golden. Now I have to pay on some flights a very high 
>>>> price to sit in bulkhead. Delta wanted to charge me close to 300$ for 
>>>> that. AK Air is charging me 75$. I never had to pay extra for bulkhead 
>>>> until about 6 months ago.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all the advocacy you do. Keep it up please!   Bryan Gearry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/26/2018 3:31 AM, Jenine Stanley via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Jordan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Let’s be specific here. Your big dog doesn’t or didn’t fit under a 
>>>>> seat. I’ve had 2 larger dogs who fit just fine under most aircraft 
>>>>> seats and my husband’s first dog was larger than mine. He curled up 
>>>>> nicely under aircraft seats and preferred them to bulkhead. My smaller 
>>>>> dogs spread like dirty laundry in larger spaces.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I encourage people to do at home before flying is to 
>>>>> encourage your dog to lie down and under your dining room chair if 
>>>>> possible, or other seats where they can lie completely under the seat 
>>>>> so they get the practice of going into small spaces.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, bits and pieces can sneak out but generally, unless there’s an 
>>>>> equipment box under that seat, most dogs can fit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the commuter jets and some larger jets have their seating 
>>>>> configured so that the bulkhead space is much smaller, floor 
>>>>> space-wise, than under the other seats. Once I point this out to the 
>>>>> flight crew, they usually give up on forcing us to sit there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just Sayin’.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope they do not on this issue.  If it was unsafe they would not let 
>>>>>> you do it.  Besides, a big dog will not fit under a seat anyway.  I 
>>>>>> have tried and it does not happen. No way no how.  It does not 
>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Scott Berry via
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>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:24 PM
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>>>>>> Cc: Scott Berry <sb356607 at gmail.com <mailto:sb356607 at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bulkhead seating
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed and so we need to be the ones who do it cause no one else will 
>>>>>> advocate on our behalf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 5:52 PM, margo Downey via NAGDU 
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I don't understand flight attendants' reasoning about the 
>>>>>>> bulkhead.  It seems as though airlines personnel need further 
>>>>>>> training.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>>>>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:34 PM
>>>>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing
>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bulkhead seating
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last time I flew, I was offered bulkhead seating.  The flight 
>>>>>>> attendant’s reasoning, and this is as close to a direct quote as I 
>>>>>>> can recollect: “He’ll be more comfortable because there’s more space 
>>>>>>> and he can stretch out.  Also if there’s rough air he’ll be safer 
>>>>>>> because he can’t be tossed around”.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm...I’m still trying to sort out the logic here.  Which is it, 
>>>>>>> lots of space to stretch out or safety because he’s in a small 
>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
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