[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 155, Issue 7

Roanna Bacchus rbacchus228 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 8 18:27:53 UTC 2018


I am sorry that you feel this way.

On Feb 8, 2018 1:08 PM, John Bauer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> It amazes me to write an e-mail and get snubed, and yet 3weeks later 
> here is the subject i asked about. 3 pages long you told me to go look 
> in the arcive witch is broken. thanks for proving the list is more nfb 
> bullshit 
> a true wast of 10$. excuse me while i unsubscribe. 
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> > Today's Topics: 
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> >    1. Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione) 
> >    2. Re: Relieving harness bags (d m gina) 
> >    3. Re: Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione) 
> >    4. Re: Relieving harness bags (Julie Johnson) 
> >    5. Re: Relieving harness bags (d m gina) 
> >    6. Airline regulations for service dogs (Mardi Hadfield) 
> >    7. Re: Airline regulations for service dogs (David) 
> >    8. Re: Airline regulations for service dogs (Julie Johnson) 
> >    9. Re: Airline regulations for service dogs (Jenine Stanley) 
> >   10. Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione) 
> >   11. Re: Relieving harness bags (Sunshine) 
> >   12. Re: Relieving harness bags (d m gina) 
> >   13. Re: Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione) 
> >   14. Re: Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione) 
> >   15. Harness aversion (Yiska) 
> >   16. Re: Harness aversion (Tracy Carcione) 
> >   17. Re: Harness aversion (S L Johnson) 
> >   18. Re: Harness aversion (Andy Borka) 
> >   19. Re: Relieving harness bags (Brenda Brenda Horwitz) 
> >   20. Re: Harness aversion (Julie Johnson) 
> >   21. Re: Harness aversion (Bianka) 
> >   22. Re: Harness aversion (S L Johnson) 
> >   23. Re: Harness aversion (Mary Metzger) 
> >   24. Re: Harness aversion (Yiska) 
> >   25. Re: Harness aversion (Tami Jarvis) 
> >   26. Re: Harness aversion (Tami Jarvis) 
> >   27. Re: Harness aversion (Yiska) 
> >   28. Re: Harness aversion (S L Johnson) 
> >   29. Re: Harness aversion (Julie Johnson) 
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> > 
> > Message: 1 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:39:43 -0500 
> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <002901d3a029$dfe7cc90$9fb765b0$@access.net> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii" 
> > 
> > On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to use 
> > with a relieving harness.  He said they are smaller than grocery bags, so 
> > don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet.  I've hunted 
> > on 
> > the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck. 
> > 
> > Does anyone here know anything about this? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was 
> > mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a 
> > relieving 
> > bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere.  I'd love that.  As 
> > I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just knowing that he 
> > could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't get out quickly 
> > would 
> > be a relief for me.  I'm thinking particularly airports. 
> > 
> > So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's 
> > urination? 
> > 
> > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 2 
> > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 10:48:55 -0500 
> > From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net> 
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <3491e102.d8a4.473c.b795.56e232d8e10d at samobile.net> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" 
> > 
> > I get t shirt bags small size from amazon. 
> > They work out well for us. 
> > 
> > Original message: 
> > > On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to use 
> > > with a relieving harness.  He said they are smaller than grocery bags, so 
> > > don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet.  I've 
> > hunted on 
> > > the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck. 
> > 
> > > Does anyone here know anything about this? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was 
> > > mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a 
> > relieving 
> > > bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere.  I'd love that.  As 
> > > I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just knowing that he 
> > > could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't get out quickly 
> > would 
> > > be a relief for me.  I'm thinking particularly airports. 
> > 
> > > So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's 
> > > urination? 
> > 
> > > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 3 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:54:50 -0500 
> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <003601d3a02b$fd0382e0$f70a88a0$@access.net> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii" 
> > 
> > Thanks Dar.  Do T-shirt bags have handles?  Learn something every day. 
> > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via 
> > NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:49 AM 
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org 
> > Cc: d m gina 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > 
> > I get t shirt bags small size from amazon. 
> > They work out well for us. 
> > 
> > Original message: 
> > > On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to 
> > > use with a relieving harness.  He said they are smaller than grocery 
> > > bags, so don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet. 
> > > I've hunted on the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck. 
> > 
> > > Does anyone here know anything about this? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was 
> > > mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a 
> > > relieving bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere.  I'd 
> > > love that.  As I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just 
> > > knowing that he could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't 
> > > get out quickly would be a relief for me.  I'm thinking particularly 
> > airports. 
> > 
> > > So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's 
> > > urination? 
> > 
> > > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 4 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:02:25 -0600 
> > From: "Julie Johnson" <julielj at neb.rr.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <227B32CABC374919980D0E6EDB309B0A at JuliePC> 
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> >         reply-type=original 
> > 
> > Tracy, 
> > 
> > I just got in relieving harness bags, literally yesterday!I put them up on 
> > the Blind Mice Mall last night. People can also contact me directly at 
> > julielj at neb.rr.com 
> > 
> > I've been testing bags for over a year now and these are my top pick. 
> >  Much 
> > smaller than a grocery bag, no holes and are a subdued green color 
> > 
> > Julie 
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com 
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com 
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall 
> > <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments? 
> > storeid=1916046> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 9:39 AM 
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users' 
> > Cc: Tracy Carcione 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > 
> > On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to use 
> > with a relieving harness.  He said they are smaller than grocery bags, so 
> > don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet.  I've hunted 
> > on 
> > the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck. 
> > 
> > Does anyone here know anything about this? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was 
> > mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a 
> > relieving 
> > bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere.  I'd love that.  As 
> > I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just knowing that he 
> > could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't get out quickly 
> > would 
> > be a relief for me.  I'm thinking particularly airports. 
> > 
> > So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's 
> > urination? 
> > 
> > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 5 
> > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:02:43 -0500 
> > From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net> 
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <1cb7d933.7c53.4355.83d3.ad8ab2f3d3a0 at samobile.net> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" 
> > 
> > Yes they do have handles. 
> > We got one thousand bag from amazon. 
> > If it were more I can't remember, we have had them for quite some time. 
> > Original message: 
> > > Thanks Dar.  Do T-shirt bags have handles?  Learn something every day. 
> > > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via 
> > > NAGDU 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:49 AM 
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org 
> > > Cc: d m gina 
> > > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > 
> > > I get t shirt bags small size from amazon. 
> > > They work out well for us. 
> > 
> > > Original message: 
> > >> On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to 
> > >> use with a relieving harness.  He said they are smaller than grocery 
> > >> bags, so don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet. 
> > >> I've hunted on the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck. 
> > 
> > >> Does anyone here know anything about this? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >> And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was 
> > >> mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a 
> > >> relieving bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere.  I'd 
> > >> love that.  As I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just 
> > >> knowing that he could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't 
> > >> get out quickly would be a relief for me.  I'm thinking particularly 
> > > airports. 
> > 
> > >> So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's 
> > >> urination? 
> > 
> > >> Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 6 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:04:32 -0700 
> > From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs 
> > Message-ID: 
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> > Hi every one, Mardi from Arizona here. I am planning to fly in May, to go 
> > see my sister in Tennessee. I *am concerned about having proof of training. 
> > I am an owner trainer. I did not keep any records of my training as I was 
> > training 2 guide dogs at the time. I  just did not have the time to do it. 
> > As far as shot records, I don't vaccinate my dog every year except rabies 
> > and that is done every 3 years. My vet agrees with me on this. I have an 
> > animal control tag, which is mandatory here. You have to show the rabies 
> > certificate that your vet provides, in order to get this tag. You will be 
> > fined if you get caught with out one. A  rabies shot is the only shot that 
> > Arizona requires.The airlines can't make me vaccinate with the 
> > others,especially if my vet thinks that this is over vaccination. I am 
> > wondering how an owner trainer is going to show that their dog has been 
> > trained ? I just feel that this whole thing is discriminatory.  Any 
> > thoughts on owner trainers  about this ?   Mardi and Shaman,retired and 
> > Neechee,GD and Sedona GDIT.* 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com 
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> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 7 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 12:33:16 -0500 
> > From: David <david at bakerinet.com> 
> > To: Mardi Hadfield via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs 
> > Message-ID: <8bbbbf60-b9e2-bcdd-9563-0e3ef96d05f6 at bakerinet.com> 
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> > 
> > Mardi, even Delta is not requiring training certificates for service 
> > dogs.? They also only require that you get a vet certificate of 
> > vaccination every year, not that you have to have a yearly vaccination.? 
> > United does not require the vet certification or notice for service 
> > dogs, but does require it for ESAs. 
> > 
> > *David in Clearwater, FL* 
> > *david at bakerinet.com* 
> > On 2/7/2018 12:04 PM, Mardi Hadfield via NAGDU wrote: 
> > > Hi every one, Mardi from Arizona here. I am planning to fly in May, to go 
> > > see my sister in Tennessee. I *am concerned about having proof of 
> > training. 
> > > I am an owner trainer. I did not keep any records of my training as I was 
> > > training 2 guide dogs at the time. I  just did not have the time to do 
> > it. 
> > > As far as shot records, I don't vaccinate my dog every year except rabies 
> > > and that is done every 3 years. My vet agrees with me on this. I have an 
> > > animal control tag, which is mandatory here. You have to show the rabies 
> > > certificate that your vet provides, in order to get this tag. You will be 
> > > fined if you get caught with out one. A  rabies shot is the only shot 
> > that 
> > > Arizona requires.The airlines can't make me vaccinate with the 
> > > others,especially if my vet thinks that this is over vaccination. I am 
> > > wondering how an owner trainer is going to show that their dog has been 
> > > trained ? I just feel that this whole thing is discriminatory.  Any 
> > > thoughts on owner trainers  about this ?   Mardi and Shaman,retired and 
> > > Neechee,GD and Sedona GDIT.* 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 8 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 11:31:17 -0600 
> > From: "Julie Johnson" <julielj at neb.rr.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs 
> > Message-ID: <9097FCA6F5DA4EF5A824E8BA1C445922 at JuliePC> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; 
> >         reply-type=original 
> > 
> > Mardi, 
> > 
> > What airline are you taking?  That makes a difference.  They are not all 
> > the 
> > same. 
> > 
> > Currently Delta is the most restrictive.    For service/guide dogs they are 
> > requiring a health certificate from your vet and proof of vaccinations, 
> > rabies and distemper.  There is no requirement to submit training records 
> > for service dogs.  At least this is how I understand it. 
> > 
> > I don't know what to tell you about the distemper.  I'm in the same boat. 
> > I 
> > was looking at flights the other day.  sadly most of the good days/times 
> > were with Delta.  I'm flying United though, even if it means I have to get 
> > up at 2 a.m., pay more and have longer layovers. 
> > 
> > Julie 
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com 
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com 
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall 
> > <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments? 
> > storeid=1916046> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Mardi Hadfield via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 11:04 AM 
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > Cc: Mardi Hadfield 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs 
> > 
> > Hi every one, Mardi from Arizona here. I am planning to fly in May, to go 
> > see my sister in Tennessee. I *am concerned about having proof of training. 
> > I am an owner trainer. I did not keep any records of my training as I was 
> > training 2 guide dogs at the time. I  just did not have the time to do it. 
> > As far as shot records, I don't vaccinate my dog every year except rabies 
> > and that is done every 3 years. My vet agrees with me on this. I have an 
> > animal control tag, which is mandatory here. You have to show the rabies 
> > certificate that your vet provides, in order to get this tag. You will be 
> > fined if you get caught with out one. A  rabies shot is the only shot that 
> > Arizona requires.The airlines can't make me vaccinate with the 
> > others,especially if my vet thinks that this is over vaccination. I am 
> > wondering how an owner trainer is going to show that their dog has been 
> > trained ? I just feel that this whole thing is discriminatory.  Any 
> > thoughts on owner trainers  about this ?   Mardi and Shaman,retired and 
> > Neechee,GD and Sedona GDIT.* 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com 
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> > ------------------------------ 
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> > Message: 9 
> > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 12:38:04 -0500 
> > From: Jenine Stanley <jeninems at icloud.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
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> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs 
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> > Marty, 
> > 
> > Proof of training is currently, and hopefully will continue to be via 
> > attestation only. So far Delta has attestation language for psychiatric 
> > service animals and ESAs only and United has this language for ESAs only. 
> > 
> > I?d just take whichever airline gives you the best rates and follow their 
> > procedures as a service animal handler, regardless of training. If an 
> > attestation is required by that time by the airline you choose, it just 
> > means that you personally attest to the fact that your animal has been 
> > trained and will be under your control. 
> > 
> > Hope that helps. this increased angst over travel is a very unfortunate 
> > side effect of the new systems. 
> > 
> > > On Feb 7, 2018, at 12:33 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Mardi, even Delta is not requiring training certificates for service 
> > dogs.  They also only require that you get a vet certificate of vaccination 
> > every year, not that you have to have a yearly vaccination.  United does 
> > not require the vet certification or notice for service dogs, but does 
> > require it for ESAs. 
> > > 
> > > *David in Clearwater, FL* 
> > > *david at bakerinet.com* 
> > > On 2/7/2018 12:04 PM, Mardi Hadfield via NAGDU wrote: 
> > >> Hi every one, Mardi from Arizona here. I am planning to fly in May, to 
> > go 
> > >> see my sister in Tennessee. I *am concerned about having proof of 
> > training. 
> > >> I am an owner trainer. I did not keep any records of my training as I 
> > was 
> > >> training 2 guide dogs at the time. I  just did not have the time to do 
> > it. 
> > >> As far as shot records, I don't vaccinate my dog every year except 
> > rabies 
> > >> and that is done every 3 years. My vet agrees with me on this. I have an 
> > >> animal control tag, which is mandatory here. You have to show the rabies 
> > >> certificate that your vet provides, in order to get this tag. You will 
> > be 
> > >> fined if you get caught with out one. A  rabies shot is the only shot 
> > that 
> > >> Arizona requires.The airlines can't make me vaccinate with the 
> > >> others,especially if my vet thinks that this is over vaccination. I am 
> > >> wondering how an owner trainer is going to show that their dog has been 
> > >> trained ? I just feel that this whole thing is discriminatory.  Any 
> > >> thoughts on owner trainers  about this ?   Mardi and Shaman,retired and 
> > >> Neechee,GD and Sedona GDIT.* 
> > >> 
> > > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 10 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 13:05:04 -0500 
> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <004a01d3a03e$2e671380$8b353a80$@access.net> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii" 
> > 
> > I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag, 
> > there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and makes it 
> > more solid, so easier to deal with.  One adds the powder to the bag before 
> > using.  It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers, and can be bought on 
> > Amazon.  It's called sodium something-cylate. 
> > 
> > Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag, when 
> > necessary. 
> > 
> > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 11 
> > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 10:32:39 -0800 
> > From: Sunshine <halogirl817 at gmail.com> 
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <20180207183239.halogirl817 at gmail.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 
> > 
> > My friend Darlene can get her dogs to relieve in the bag. I sure wish I 
> > could! 
> > 
> > Hugs 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sunshine and my sweet, loving, playful, wiggling serious-working Tse black 
> > labradorable Velvet 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > To: his'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Date: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:07 am 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag, 
> > > there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and makes 
> > it 
> > > more solid, so easier to deal with.  One adds the powder to the bag 
> > before 
> > > using.  It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers, and can be bought 
> > on 
> > > Amazon.  It's called sodium something-cylate. 
> > > 
> > > Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag, when 
> > > necessary. 
> > > 
> > > Tracy 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ 
> > > NAGDU mailing list 
> > @> NAGDU at nfbnet.org 
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org 
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > NAGDU: 
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/ 
> > halogirl817%40gmail.com 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 12 
> > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 14:50:13 -0500 
> > From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net> 
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <370f73d3.16fa.4ba9.a161.263e96d0b1e9 at samobile.net> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" 
> > 
> > It is not a thrill when all she has to do is not poop in a bag. 
> > I always feel it is waisted bag. 
> > Then when I don't think she has to poop then she does loll. 
> > I don't know if I would want to carry that powder around. 
> > How did you find it on amazon. 
> > I wouldn't have known a name at all. 
> > Thanks for sharing. 
> > Let me know how it works out if you try it, then I would consider buying 
> > it. 
> > Just hoping that the bag won't tare like it wishes to do from time to time. 
> > 
> > 
> > Original message: 
> > > I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag, 
> > > there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and makes 
> > it 
> > > more solid, so easier to deal with.  One adds the powder to the bag 
> > before 
> > > using.  It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers, and can be bought 
> > on 
> > > Amazon.  It's called sodium something-cylate. 
> > 
> > > Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag, when 
> > > necessary. 
> > 
> > > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > _______________________________________________ 
> > > NAGDU mailing list 
> > > NAGDU at nfbnet.org 
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org 
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> > NAGDU: 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 13 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 14:50:45 -0500 
> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <005d01d3a04c$f2266ec0$d6734c40$@access.net> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii" 
> > 
> > Does your friend have a male?  If so, could I contact her and find out how 
> > she got that to work? 
> > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sunshine via 
> > NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:33 PM 
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org 
> > Cc: Sunshine 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > 
> > My friend Darlene can get her dogs to relieve in the bag. I sure wish I 
> > could! 
> > 
> > Hugs 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sunshine and my sweet, loving, playful, wiggling serious-working Tse black 
> > labradorable Velvet 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > To: his'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Date: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:07 am 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag, 
> > > there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and 
> > > makes it more solid, so easier to deal with.  One adds the powder to 
> > > the bag before using.  It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers, 
> > > and can be bought on Amazon.  It's called sodium something-cylate. 
> > > 
> > > Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag, 
> > > when necessary. 
> > > 
> > > Tracy 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ 
> > > NAGDU mailing list 
> > @> NAGDU at nfbnet.org 
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org 
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> > NAGDU: 
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> > > .com 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 14 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 14:54:39 -0500 
> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <005f01d3a04d$7d115450$7733fcf0$@access.net> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii" 
> > 
> > I didn't actually look for the powder yet; someone just told me it was 
> > there. 
> > Think I'm reaching the message limit, so I better shut up now. 
> > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via 
> > NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:50 PM 
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org 
> > Cc: d m gina 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > 
> > It is not a thrill when all she has to do is not poop in a bag. 
> > I always feel it is waisted bag. 
> > Then when I don't think she has to poop then she does loll. 
> > I don't know if I would want to carry that powder around. 
> > How did you find it on amazon. 
> > I wouldn't have known a name at all. 
> > Thanks for sharing. 
> > Let me know how it works out if you try it, then I would consider buying 
> > it. 
> > Just hoping that the bag won't tare like it wishes to do from time to time. 
> > 
> > 
> > Original message: 
> > > I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag, 
> > > there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and 
> > > makes it more solid, so easier to deal with.  One adds the powder to 
> > > the bag before using.  It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers, 
> > > and can be bought on Amazon.  It's called sodium something-cylate. 
> > 
> > > Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag, 
> > > when necessary. 
> > 
> > > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > _______________________________________________ 
> > > NAGDU mailing list 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 15 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 12:56:56 -0700 
> > From: Yiska <ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: 
> >         <CALaWVTGQEap6AW+8nkQpcfUKFsVVY3mg=j0gq7hd0GBG9 
> > dvyOg at mail.gmail.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 
> > 
> > Hello group 
> > 
> > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far 
> > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the 
> > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's 
> > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks 
> > Yiska 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 16 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:08:14 -0500 
> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <006701d3a04f$62be3710$283aa530$@access.net> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii" 
> > 
> > I sometimes inadvertently bang my dog with the harness when I'm putting it 
> > on.  To avoid this, I fold the longest strap up over the back of the 
> > harness, so it doesn't swing and hit him, and I put my hand that's not 
> > holding the harness under his chin, so I know exactly where his face is 
> > while I'm putting the harness on him.  Sometimes I even make him sit before 
> > putting the harness on, so he's not moving around.  If he sits, he usually 
> > has to stand up so I can buckle the harness around him, but he has to stay 
> > sitting until the harness is safely on his back. 
> > HTH. 
> > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Yiska via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:57 PM 
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > Cc: Yiska 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > 
> > Hello group 
> > 
> > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far 
> > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the 
> > harness. 
> > Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's suggestion was 
> > he will get used to it. Thanks Yiska 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > NAGDU mailing list 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 17 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:17:05 -0500 
> > From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <926EA252FA9C4E4F802D1C649537574E at SLJohnson> 
> > 
> > Hello: 
> > 
> > I am surprised that his trainer did not solve this problem before  you got 
> > him.  Anyway now you are stuck with it.  I would clip the leash to his 
> > collar first and gently guide his head through the harness while giving 
> > gentle praise and encouragement.  Once his head is in even if you did most 
> > of the work for him give plenty of excited praise and a nice treat.  It 
> > might help to use an extra special treat that he only gets when it is time 
> > to get into his harness.  Hold the treat out in front of him so he can see 
> > it and smell it while you are guiding his head into the harness. Make it a 
> > real celebration for getting into his harness.  Do not worry about getting 
> > him too excited before working for now while your goal is to get him into 
> > the harness.  It may mean that you have to start getting him ready about 
> > ten 
> > minutes earlier so he can calm down before working.  In the end it will 
> > gradually help him to realize that getting into his harness is no big deal. 
> > I did this when my last guide dog Tara lost her confidence for work and was 
> > reluctant to get into her harness.  It did not take long at all before she 
> > was happily wagging her tail and thrusting her curly golden head through 
> > that harness.  I always had the treats ready just in case she suffered 
> > another lack of interest in her harness.  Good luck getting your new pup 
> > dressed for work. 
> > 
> > Sandra Johnson 
> > SLJohnson25 at comcast.net 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Yiska via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:56 PM 
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > Cc: Yiska 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > 
> > Hello group 
> > 
> > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far 
> > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the 
> > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's 
> > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks 
> > Yiska 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > NAGDU mailing list 
> > NAGDU at nfbnet.org 
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org 
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > NAGDU: 
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/ 
> > sljohnson25%40comcast.net 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 18 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:26:29 -0500 
> > From: Andy Borka <sonfire11 at gmail.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <f6ae628f-3c75-9346-9393-9578e33b0320 at gmail.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed 
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > 
> > My trainer also told us that the dogs will have to just get used to the 
> > idea of someone other than their trainer putting on the harness. 
> > However, there are ways to minimize problems with putting it on. First, 
> > fold the straps that go around their belly back on top of the back strap 
> > when holding it. This takes 75% of the risk of bumping them in the face 
> > out of the way. Second, try putting it over their head with the handle 
> > pointing straight up at the ceiling. This helps keep the martingale 
> > strap below the neckline, preventing it from bumping him in the face. 
> > Finally, putting it on should be a swift fluid motion that minimizes his 
> > reservations of the loose ends dangling around his head. It is almost 
> > like getting a blood draw for those who need it done quickly and without 
> > notice. Just get it done and over with. After some practice, your dog 
> > will love wearing it. I have had Alec for almost 7 months and he still 
> > pulls back somewhat. I interpret that as a signal that I am putting it 
> > on at the wrong angle, remove it from in front of his face, then try again. 
> > 
> > 
> > Hope this helps. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 02/07/2018 02:56 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote: 
> > > Hello group 
> > > 
> > > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far 
> > > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the 
> > > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's 
> > > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks 
> > > Yiska 
> > > _______________________________________________ 
> > > NAGDU mailing list 
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> > NAGDU: 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 19 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 14:59:47 -0600 
> > From: "Brenda Brenda Horwitz" <bkhicklin at gmail.com> 
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Cc: "'Tracy Carcione'" <carcione at access.net> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > Message-ID: <036a01d3a056$97248160$c56d8420$@gmail.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii" 
> > 
> > Hi Tracy and all, 
> > I get my releaving bags with handels from Amazon, Amazon is the best I can 
> > find for the price. 
> > 
> > the bags I have now. 
> > I did find others. I will share the link below this one. 
> > 
> > AmazonSmile : PET N PET 800 Counts Unscented Tie Handle Dog Waste Bags Poop 
> > Bags Poo Bags : Pet Supplies, Price: $29.99 
> > https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/I 
> > /ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
> > 
> > Here is the second link. The look to be about the same size, but more of 
> > them for less money. 
> > These will be the bags I get next time. 
> > AmazonSmile: 2000 Grocery / Convenience Store Small T-Shirt Carry-Out Bag 
> > Carryout 7'' x 5'' x 15'': Industrial & Scientific, Price: $25.38 
> > https://smile.amazon.com/Grocery-Convenience-T-Shirt- 
> > Carry-Out-Carryout/dp/B 
> > 00JQIBPEC/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1516736991&sr=8-17&keywords=T-shirt+Bags 
> > 
> > I hope this helps, 
> > Take care 
> > Brenda 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione 
> > via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 9:40 AM 
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags 
> > 
> > On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to use 
> > with a relieving harness.  He said they are smaller than grocery bags, so 
> > don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet.  I've hunted 
> > on 
> > the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck. 
> > 
> > Does anyone here know anything about this? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was 
> > mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a 
> > relieving 
> > bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere.  I'd love that.  As 
> > I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just knowing that he 
> > could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't get out quickly 
> > would 
> > be a relief for me.  I'm thinking particularly airports. 
> > 
> > So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's 
> > urination? 
> > 
> > Tracy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
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> > NAGDU at nfbnet.org 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 20 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 16:47:18 -0600 
> > From: "Julie Johnson" <julielj at neb.rr.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <62B841A115824427B0FB7C95938E6817 at JuliePC> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; 
> >         reply-type=original 
> > 
> > Perhaps I'm weird, but I always put my dog's harnesses on upside down. 
> > Bear 
> > with me a moment!  The harness I use has a martingale, so I fold that along 
> > the main shoulder/chest strap.  I am standing with the dog facing me, not 
> > at 
> > my side. I hold the harness so the handle is down.  The dog puts his/her 
> > head in.  Once the harness has passed over the head, I grab the handle, 
> > twisting the harness up onto the dogs back and into the correct position. 
> > I 
> > find that some dogs don't like a bunch of stuff dangling over their head. 
> > Putting the harness on this way means that most of it is positioned where 
> > the dog can't really see it.    I've done it this way for years and years. 
> > The worst thing that ever happens is that I have an overly eager dog who 
> > pushes their head into the wrong spot.  That's pretty infrequent, but if it 
> > happens, I take it off and restart.  Only a few seconds lost, no big deal. 
> > 
> > HTH 
> > Julie 
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com 
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com 
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall 
> > <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments? 
> > storeid=1916046> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Yiska via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:56 PM 
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > Cc: Yiska 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > 
> > Hello group 
> > 
> > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far 
> > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the 
> > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's 
> > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks 
> > Yiska 
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> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 21 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 23:56:39 +0100 
> > From: Bianka <bianka at andi-bika.de> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <0955B49A-B322-442A-9F32-47AED42D4CC5 at andi-bika.de> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8 
> > 
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> > When I hear trainers suggesting dogs have just to get used to it I know 
> > this school wouldn?t be my first choice. 
> > 
> > Personally, I would start by treating every time the harness is put on. 
> > Also, (and I know there are some cultural differences here) I would only 
> > put on the harness while the dog does actual guide work. Additionally, I 
> > would try to make being in harness a positive experience. If it helps, a 
> > bit of play or fooling around before the harness is put on might also work. 
> > If possible, give your dog a work break of a few days. Do fun things (like 
> > interesting walks, new routes or whatever really makes your dog happy. 
> > 
> > Try to find out whether your dog has pain somewhere or if the harness 
> > might not be a good fit annymore, you might want to consider getting help 
> > from a physical therapist for dogs with that. 
> > 
> > Just my two additional cents. .. 
> > 
> > Kind regards, 
> > 
> > Bianka 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 22 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:29:48 -0500 
> > From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <B21CE2D1F27A429E96AACA07C0D1B8C5 at SLJohnson> 
> > 
> > Julie: 
> > 
> > It does sound weird at first but I can see how it would work better for 
> > some 
> > dogs.  However it did make me smile at the thought of what the average 
> > guide 
> > dog school trainer would think if they saw you putting on your dog's 
> > harness 
> > that way.  In the wonderful world of guide dogs whatever works for any 
> > particular dog is great.  Julie I always love your helpful training ideas 
> > and tips, keep them coming.  Even after 43 years of guide dogs I can always 
> > learn something new. 
> > 
> > Sandra Johnson and Golden Eva 
> > SLJohnson25 at comcast.net 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 5:47 PM 
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > Cc: Julie Johnson 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > 
> > Perhaps I'm weird, but I always put my dog's harnesses on upside down. 
> > Bear 
> > with me a moment!  The harness I use has a martingale, so I fold that along 
> > the main shoulder/chest strap.  I am standing with the dog facing me, not 
> > at 
> > my side. I hold the harness so the handle is down.  The dog puts his/her 
> > head in.  Once the harness has passed over the head, I grab the handle, 
> > twisting the harness up onto the dogs back and into the correct position. 
> > I 
> > find that some dogs don't like a bunch of stuff dangling over their head. 
> > Putting the harness on this way means that most of it is positioned where 
> > the dog can't really see it.    I've done it this way for years and years. 
> > The worst thing that ever happens is that I have an overly eager dog who 
> > pushes their head into the wrong spot.  That's pretty infrequent, but if it 
> > happens, I take it off and restart.  Only a few seconds lost, no big deal. 
> > 
> > HTH 
> > Julie 
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com 
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com 
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall 
> > <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments? 
> > storeid=1916046> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Yiska via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:56 PM 
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > Cc: Yiska 
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > 
> > Hello group 
> > 
> > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far 
> > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the 
> > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's 
> > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks 
> > Yiska 
> > _______________________________________________ 
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> > sljohnson25%40comcast.net 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 23 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:36:57 -0500 
> > From: "Mary Metzger" <mmetzger1 at nycap.rr.com> 
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <000201d3a074$ee687530$cb395f90$@nycap.rr.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8" 
> > 
> > If you don't already do so, you may also want to try spending extra time 
> > rubbing and petting your dog, especially on the head, neck and back. 
> > Surprisingly, some dogs are not very comfortable being touched, despite 
> > their training. 
> > 
> > Mary Beth 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 24 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 17:41:12 -0700 
> > From: Yiska <ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: 
> >         <CALaWVTHuju=E2RJrYdhURMVO6c+6qE5pKSi3sKm16Mok8Cvang at mail. 
> > gmail.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 
> > 
> > Julie would that method work with a standard harness where the handle is 
> > fairly set? 
> > Yiska 
> > 
> > On Feb 7, 2018 17:38, "Mary Metzger via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > > If you don't already do so, you may also want to try spending extra time 
> > > rubbing and petting your dog, especially on the head, neck and back. 
> > > Surprisingly, some dogs are not very comfortable being touched, despite 
> > > their training. 
> > > 
> > > Mary Beth 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > ichoosechrist2%40gmail.com 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 25 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 16:50:58 -0800 
> > From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com> 
> > To: Yiska via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <19a17950-865f-6886-b1c2-98f6c43ab22e at poodlemutt.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed 
> > 
> > Yiska, 
> > 
> > How is he once you get the harness on? Does he seem uncomfortable, 
> > unhappy to go to work, or anything like that. If that is the case, a 
> > different harness might help. If he's comfy in the harness and happy to 
> > go to work, it could be that he just doesn't like the putting on part. 
> > 
> > Both of my poodles like to play slow-speed chase at harness time. It 
> > used to worry me, but I heard of other poodles doing the same thing. 
> > Once the harness is on, then they're good to go. I really decided to 
> > stop worrying when I noticed that Mitzi would end the game by "hiding" 
> > behind my husband, with her collar in just the right place for him to 
> > take hold of it so I could come put the harness on. She thought this was 
> > pretty funny. Silly dog. Loki has a different routine, but he is also 
> > the one who arranges to end up cornered and nabbed. It seems to mean 
> > something to them, so I spend a minute or two playing the game. 
> > 
> > Poor Loki. One day, I was getting ready to go somewhere. Just as I was 
> > at the point where I usually go to grab the harness so that he can hide 
> > from me, I remember something or other I had to do. So there he was, 
> > hiding under the desk, waiting to be discovered and brought out. And 
> > waiting. he came out to check on me, decided I might be ready to get on 
> > with the game, and whisked back to the desk. But no. After a couple of 
> > checks, he finally just came out, flopped down on the bed with a big, 
> > put-upon sigh and waited for me to get it together so we could go. When 
> > I did grab the harness, he didn't bother to hide, just waited for me to 
> > put it on him and go. Finally. He's a silly boy. 
> > 
> > Tami 
> > 
> > On 02/07/2018 11:56 AM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote: 
> > > Hello group 
> > > 
> > > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far 
> > > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the 
> > > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's 
> > > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks 
> > > Yiska 
> > > _______________________________________________ 
> > > NAGDU mailing list 
> > > NAGDU at nfbnet.org 
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org 
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> > NAGDU: 
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> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 26 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 16:57:30 -0800 
> > From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com> 
> > To: Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <fde517ca-7161-c376-cb8e-4720cc189e69 at poodlemutt.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed 
> > 
> > Julie, 
> > 
> > I think I'll try that, since I use the same kind of harness. I know 
> > Mitzi did not appreciate being hit by swinging straps before I got in 
> > the habit of making sure I had hold of everything. But maybe the handle 
> > also bothers the poodles, so that's why the slow-speed chase. It just 
> > occurred to me that they do the same thing when it's their regular 
> > walking harnesses, too, so maybe that's not it at all. They both love 
> > going on sniff 'n strolls in that harnesses, but they still play the 
> > same game as for their working harnesses. My dogs are just weird. But 
> > I'll try the upside down approach to see what happens. 
> > 
> > Tami 
> > 
> > On 02/07/2018 02:47 PM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU wrote: 
> > > Perhaps I'm weird, but I always put my dog's harnesses on upside down. 
> > > Bear with me a moment!? The harness I use has a martingale, so I fold 
> > > that along the main shoulder/chest strap.? I am standing with the dog 
> > > facing me, not at my side. I hold the harness so the handle is down. 
> > > The dog puts his/her head in.? Once the harness has passed over the 
> > > head, I grab the handle, twisting the harness up onto the dogs back and 
> > > into the correct position.? I find that some dogs don't like a bunch of 
> > > stuff dangling over their head. Putting the harness on this way means 
> > > that most of it is positioned where the dog can't really see it.??? I've 
> > > done it this way for years and years. The worst thing that ever happens 
> > > is that I have an overly eager dog who pushes their head into the wrong 
> > > spot.? That's pretty infrequent, but if it happens, I take it off and 
> > > restart.? Only a few seconds lost, no big deal. 
> > > 
> > > HTH 
> > > Julie 
> > > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com 
> > > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com 
> > > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall 
> > > <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments? 
> > storeid=1916046> 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Yiska via NAGDU 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:56 PM 
> > > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > > Cc: Yiska 
> > > Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > > 
> > > Hello group 
> > > 
> > > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far 
> > > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the 
> > > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's 
> > > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks 
> > > Yiska 
> > > _______________________________________________ 
> > > NAGDU mailing list 
> > > NAGDU at nfbnet.org 
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org 
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > > NAGDU: 
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> > > 
> > > 
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> > 02/07/18 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 27 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:04:32 -0700 
> > From: Yiska <ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: 
> >         <CALaWVTEiRKeAszmy--m1xwk0BBf+nWmcpZJmxNz-X3ZmY_TZ8g at mail. 
> > gmail.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 
> > 
> > He definately doesn't like it especially in small spaces. He still loves to 
> > do his job though. The harness gets caught on everything! I think he may be 
> > a touch closterphobic. I was going to try some body awareness exercises but 
> > not quite sure how to do that with guide work. 
> > Yiska 
> > 
> > On Feb 7, 2018 17:58, "Tami Jarvis via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > > Julie, 
> > > 
> > > I think I'll try that, since I use the same kind of harness. I know Mitzi 
> > > did not appreciate being hit by swinging straps before I got in the habit 
> > > of making sure I had hold of everything. But maybe the handle also 
> > bothers 
> > > the poodles, so that's why the slow-speed chase. It just occurred to me 
> > > that they do the same thing when it's their regular walking harnesses, 
> > too, 
> > > so maybe that's not it at all. They both love going on sniff 'n strolls 
> > in 
> > > that harnesses, but they still play the same game as for their working 
> > > harnesses. My dogs are just weird. But I'll try the upside down approach 
> > to 
> > > see what happens. 
> > > 
> > > Tami 
> > > 
> > > On 02/07/2018 02:47 PM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU wrote: 
> > > 
> > >> Perhaps I'm weird, but I always put my dog's harnesses on upside down. 
> > >> Bear with me a moment!  The harness I use has a martingale, so I fold 
> > that 
> > >> along the main shoulder/chest strap.  I am standing with the dog facing 
> > me, 
> > >> not at my side. I hold the harness so the handle is down.  The dog puts 
> > >> his/her head in.  Once the harness has passed over the head, I grab the 
> > >> handle, twisting the harness up onto the dogs back and into the correct 
> > >> position.  I find that some dogs don't like a bunch of stuff dangling 
> > over 
> > >> their head. Putting the harness on this way means that most of it is 
> > >> positioned where the dog can't really see it.    I've done it this way 
> > for 
> > >> years and years. The worst thing that ever happens is that I have an 
> > overly 
> > >> eager dog who pushes their head into the wrong spot.  That's pretty 
> > >> infrequent, but if it happens, I take it off and restart.  Only a few 
> > >> seconds lost, no big deal. 
> > >> 
> > >> HTH 
> > >> Julie 
> > >> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com 
> > >> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com 
> > >> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall 
> > >> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_ 
> > >> Departments?storeid=1916046> 
> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Yiska via NAGDU 
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:56 PM 
> > >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > >> Cc: Yiska 
> > >> Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > >> 
> > >> Hello group 
> > >> 
> > >> My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far 
> > >> treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the 
> > >> harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's 
> > >> suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks 
> > >> Yiska 
> > >> _______________________________________________ 
> > >> NAGDU mailing list 
> > >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org 
> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org 
> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > >> NAGDU: 
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> > >> 
> > >> 
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> > 02/07/18 
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> > >> 
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> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 28 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 20:30:49 -0500 
> > From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > Message-ID: <D488660E44444B358D74E44E83FF4A4A at SLJohnson> 
> > 
> > Yiska: 
> > 
> > Yes, it will work with your type  of harness.  I just tried it with Eva's 
> > harness and it works just fine. 
> > 
> > Sandra and Eva 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Yiska via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 7:41 PM 
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > Cc: Yiska 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > 
> > Julie would that method work with a standard harness where the handle is 
> > fairly set? 
> > Yiska 
> > 
> > On Feb 7, 2018 17:38, "Mary Metzger via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > > If you don't already do so, you may also want to try spending extra time 
> > > rubbing and petting your dog, especially on the head, neck and back. 
> > > Surprisingly, some dogs are not very comfortable being touched, despite 
> > > their training. 
> > > 
> > > Mary Beth 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ 
> > > NAGDU mailing list 
> > > NAGDU at nfbnet.org 
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org 
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > > NAGDU: 
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/ 
> > > ichoosechrist2%40gmail.com 
> > > 
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> > sljohnson25%40comcast.net 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Message: 29 
> > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 04:51:42 -0600 
> > From: "Julie Johnson" <julielj at neb.rr.com> 
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> >         <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
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> > Yes, it will work. It won't make any difference about the harness style or 
> > handle configuration. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Julie 
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> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall 
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> > storeid=1916046> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Yiska via NAGDU 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 6:41 PM 
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> > Cc: Yiska 
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion 
> > 
> > Julie would that method work with a standard harness where the handle is 
> > fairly set? 
> > Yiska 
> > 
> > On Feb 7, 2018 17:38, "Mary Metzger via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > > If you don't already do so, you may also want to try spending extra time 
> > > rubbing and petting your dog, especially on the head, neck and back. 
> > > Surprisingly, some dogs are not very comfortable being touched, despite 
> > > their training. 
> > > 
> > > Mary Beth 
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