[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 155, Issue 7
Julie Johnson
julielj at neb.rr.com
Thu Feb 8 18:52:18 UTC 2018
So I just went through my deleted items folder, trying to figure out what
question you were referring to. I found two messages from you between
January 11 and 28. You indicated this was three weeks ago, so I looked a
week or so on each side of three weeks ago.
I found two messages. Here they are:
*Greetings all,
watching this delta thing starting to spin.
as a guide dog user i do have ID and as a dog owner,
my home town requires all dogs to be licensed, to get that
you need current vaccination documentation from a vet.
so my dog's tag meets the requirement delta wants.
sounds simple to me.
if some one is faking a disability, do you think that qualifies
as an actual mental disability?
J&K
Greatings all,
i thought you might like to see what the seeing eye
reaction to delta is.
enjoy
J&K
*
What am I missing? There's only the one question about faking a disability
being a mental disability, which I viewed as sarcasm and not an actual
question.
Julie
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Bauer via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:08 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 155, Issue 7
It amazes me to write an e-mail and get snubed, and yet 3weeks later
here is the subject i asked about. 3 pages long you told me to go look
in the arcive witch is broken. thanks for proving the list is more nfb
bullshit
a true wast of 10$. excuse me while i unsubscribe.
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> 1. Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione)
> 2. Re: Relieving harness bags (d m gina)
> 3. Re: Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione)
> 4. Re: Relieving harness bags (Julie Johnson)
> 5. Re: Relieving harness bags (d m gina)
> 6. Airline regulations for service dogs (Mardi Hadfield)
> 7. Re: Airline regulations for service dogs (David)
> 8. Re: Airline regulations for service dogs (Julie Johnson)
> 9. Re: Airline regulations for service dogs (Jenine Stanley)
> 10. Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione)
> 11. Re: Relieving harness bags (Sunshine)
> 12. Re: Relieving harness bags (d m gina)
> 13. Re: Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione)
> 14. Re: Relieving harness bags (Tracy Carcione)
> 15. Harness aversion (Yiska)
> 16. Re: Harness aversion (Tracy Carcione)
> 17. Re: Harness aversion (S L Johnson)
> 18. Re: Harness aversion (Andy Borka)
> 19. Re: Relieving harness bags (Brenda Brenda Horwitz)
> 20. Re: Harness aversion (Julie Johnson)
> 21. Re: Harness aversion (Bianka)
> 22. Re: Harness aversion (S L Johnson)
> 23. Re: Harness aversion (Mary Metzger)
> 24. Re: Harness aversion (Yiska)
> 25. Re: Harness aversion (Tami Jarvis)
> 26. Re: Harness aversion (Tami Jarvis)
> 27. Re: Harness aversion (Yiska)
> 28. Re: Harness aversion (S L Johnson)
> 29. Re: Harness aversion (Julie Johnson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:39:43 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
> Message-ID: <002901d3a029$dfe7cc90$9fb765b0$@access.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to use
> with a relieving harness. He said they are smaller than grocery bags, so
> don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet. I've hunted
> on
> the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck.
>
> Does anyone here know anything about this?
>
>
>
> And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was
> mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a
> relieving
> bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere. I'd love that. As
> I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just knowing that he
> could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't get out quickly
> would
> be a relief for me. I'm thinking particularly airports.
>
> So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's
> urination?
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 10:48:55 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
> Message-ID: <3491e102.d8a4.473c.b795.56e232d8e10d at samobile.net>
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> I get t shirt bags small size from amazon.
> They work out well for us.
>
> Original message:
> > On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to use
> > with a relieving harness. He said they are smaller than grocery bags,
> > so
> > don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet. I've
> hunted on
> > the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck.
>
> > Does anyone here know anything about this?
>
>
>
> > And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was
> > mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a
> relieving
> > bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere. I'd love that.
> > As
> > I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just knowing that he
> > could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't get out quickly
> would
> > be a relief for me. I'm thinking particularly airports.
>
> > So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's
> > urination?
>
> > Tracy
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:54:50 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
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> Thanks Dar. Do T-shirt bags have handles? Learn something every day.
> Tracy
>
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:49 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
>
> I get t shirt bags small size from amazon.
> They work out well for us.
>
> Original message:
> > On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to
> > use with a relieving harness. He said they are smaller than grocery
> > bags, so don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet.
> > I've hunted on the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck.
>
> > Does anyone here know anything about this?
>
>
>
> > And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was
> > mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a
> > relieving bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere. I'd
> > love that. As I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just
> > knowing that he could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't
> > get out quickly would be a relief for me. I'm thinking particularly
> airports.
>
> > So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's
> > urination?
>
> > Tracy
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:02:25 -0600
> From: "Julie Johnson" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
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> Tracy,
>
> I just got in relieving harness bags, literally yesterday!I put them up on
> the Blind Mice Mall last night. People can also contact me directly at
> julielj at neb.rr.com
>
> I've been testing bags for over a year now and these are my top pick.
> Much
> smaller than a grocery bag, no holes and are a subdued green color
>
> Julie
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> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?
> storeid=1916046>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 9:39 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
>
> On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to use
> with a relieving harness. He said they are smaller than grocery bags, so
> don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet. I've hunted
> on
> the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck.
>
> Does anyone here know anything about this?
>
>
>
> And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was
> mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a
> relieving
> bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere. I'd love that. As
> I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just knowing that he
> could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't get out quickly
> would
> be a relief for me. I'm thinking particularly airports.
>
> So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's
> urination?
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:02:43 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
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> Yes they do have handles.
> We got one thousand bag from amazon.
> If it were more I can't remember, we have had them for quite some time.
> Original message:
> > Thanks Dar. Do T-shirt bags have handles? Learn something every day.
> > Tracy
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
> > NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:49 AM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: d m gina
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
>
> > I get t shirt bags small size from amazon.
> > They work out well for us.
>
> > Original message:
> >> On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to
> >> use with a relieving harness. He said they are smaller than grocery
> >> bags, so don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet.
> >> I've hunted on the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck.
>
> >> Does anyone here know anything about this?
>
>
>
> >> And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was
> >> mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a
> >> relieving bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere. I'd
> >> love that. As I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just
> >> knowing that he could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't
> >> get out quickly would be a relief for me. I'm thinking particularly
> > airports.
>
> >> So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's
> >> urination?
>
> >> Tracy
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:04:32 -0700
> From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs
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> Hi every one, Mardi from Arizona here. I am planning to fly in May, to go
> see my sister in Tennessee. I *am concerned about having proof of
> training.
> I am an owner trainer. I did not keep any records of my training as I was
> training 2 guide dogs at the time. I just did not have the time to do it.
> As far as shot records, I don't vaccinate my dog every year except rabies
> and that is done every 3 years. My vet agrees with me on this. I have an
> animal control tag, which is mandatory here. You have to show the rabies
> certificate that your vet provides, in order to get this tag. You will be
> fined if you get caught with out one. A rabies shot is the only shot that
> Arizona requires.The airlines can't make me vaccinate with the
> others,especially if my vet thinks that this is over vaccination. I am
> wondering how an owner trainer is going to show that their dog has been
> trained ? I just feel that this whole thing is discriminatory. Any
> thoughts on owner trainers about this ? Mardi and Shaman,retired and
> Neechee,GD and Sedona GDIT.*
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 12:33:16 -0500
> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> To: Mardi Hadfield via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs
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> Mardi, even Delta is not requiring training certificates for service
> dogs.? They also only require that you get a vet certificate of
> vaccination every year, not that you have to have a yearly vaccination.?
> United does not require the vet certification or notice for service
> dogs, but does require it for ESAs.
>
> *David in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com*
> On 2/7/2018 12:04 PM, Mardi Hadfield via NAGDU wrote:
> > Hi every one, Mardi from Arizona here. I am planning to fly in May, to
> > go
> > see my sister in Tennessee. I *am concerned about having proof of
> training.
> > I am an owner trainer. I did not keep any records of my training as I
> > was
> > training 2 guide dogs at the time. I just did not have the time to do
> it.
> > As far as shot records, I don't vaccinate my dog every year except
> > rabies
> > and that is done every 3 years. My vet agrees with me on this. I have an
> > animal control tag, which is mandatory here. You have to show the rabies
> > certificate that your vet provides, in order to get this tag. You will
> > be
> > fined if you get caught with out one. A rabies shot is the only shot
> that
> > Arizona requires.The airlines can't make me vaccinate with the
> > others,especially if my vet thinks that this is over vaccination. I am
> > wondering how an owner trainer is going to show that their dog has been
> > trained ? I just feel that this whole thing is discriminatory. Any
> > thoughts on owner trainers about this ? Mardi and Shaman,retired and
> > Neechee,GD and Sedona GDIT.*
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 11:31:17 -0600
> From: "Julie Johnson" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs
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> Mardi,
>
> What airline are you taking? That makes a difference. They are not all
> the
> same.
>
> Currently Delta is the most restrictive. For service/guide dogs they
> are
> requiring a health certificate from your vet and proof of vaccinations,
> rabies and distemper. There is no requirement to submit training records
> for service dogs. At least this is how I understand it.
>
> I don't know what to tell you about the distemper. I'm in the same boat.
> I
> was looking at flights the other day. sadly most of the good days/times
> were with Delta. I'm flying United though, even if it means I have to get
> up at 2 a.m., pay more and have longer layovers.
>
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?
> storeid=1916046>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mardi Hadfield via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 11:04 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Mardi Hadfield
> Subject: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs
>
> Hi every one, Mardi from Arizona here. I am planning to fly in May, to go
> see my sister in Tennessee. I *am concerned about having proof of
> training.
> I am an owner trainer. I did not keep any records of my training as I was
> training 2 guide dogs at the time. I just did not have the time to do it.
> As far as shot records, I don't vaccinate my dog every year except rabies
> and that is done every 3 years. My vet agrees with me on this. I have an
> animal control tag, which is mandatory here. You have to show the rabies
> certificate that your vet provides, in order to get this tag. You will be
> fined if you get caught with out one. A rabies shot is the only shot that
> Arizona requires.The airlines can't make me vaccinate with the
> others,especially if my vet thinks that this is over vaccination. I am
> wondering how an owner trainer is going to show that their dog has been
> trained ? I just feel that this whole thing is discriminatory. Any
> thoughts on owner trainers about this ? Mardi and Shaman,retired and
> Neechee,GD and Sedona GDIT.*
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 12:38:04 -0500
> From: Jenine Stanley <jeninems at icloud.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline regulations for service dogs
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> Marty,
>
> Proof of training is currently, and hopefully will continue to be via
> attestation only. So far Delta has attestation language for psychiatric
> service animals and ESAs only and United has this language for ESAs only.
>
> I?d just take whichever airline gives you the best rates and follow their
> procedures as a service animal handler, regardless of training. If an
> attestation is required by that time by the airline you choose, it just
> means that you personally attest to the fact that your animal has been
> trained and will be under your control.
>
> Hope that helps. this increased angst over travel is a very unfortunate
> side effect of the new systems.
>
> > On Feb 7, 2018, at 12:33 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Mardi, even Delta is not requiring training certificates for service
> dogs. They also only require that you get a vet certificate of
> vaccination
> every year, not that you have to have a yearly vaccination. United does
> not require the vet certification or notice for service dogs, but does
> require it for ESAs.
> >
> > *David in Clearwater, FL*
> > *david at bakerinet.com*
> > On 2/7/2018 12:04 PM, Mardi Hadfield via NAGDU wrote:
> >> Hi every one, Mardi from Arizona here. I am planning to fly in May, to
> go
> >> see my sister in Tennessee. I *am concerned about having proof of
> training.
> >> I am an owner trainer. I did not keep any records of my training as I
> was
> >> training 2 guide dogs at the time. I just did not have the time to do
> it.
> >> As far as shot records, I don't vaccinate my dog every year except
> rabies
> >> and that is done every 3 years. My vet agrees with me on this. I have
> >> an
> >> animal control tag, which is mandatory here. You have to show the
> >> rabies
> >> certificate that your vet provides, in order to get this tag. You will
> be
> >> fined if you get caught with out one. A rabies shot is the only shot
> that
> >> Arizona requires.The airlines can't make me vaccinate with the
> >> others,especially if my vet thinks that this is over vaccination. I am
> >> wondering how an owner trainer is going to show that their dog has been
> >> trained ? I just feel that this whole thing is discriminatory. Any
> >> thoughts on owner trainers about this ? Mardi and Shaman,retired and
> >> Neechee,GD and Sedona GDIT.*
> >>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 13:05:04 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
> Message-ID: <004a01d3a03e$2e671380$8b353a80$@access.net>
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>
> I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag,
> there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and makes
> it
> more solid, so easier to deal with. One adds the powder to the bag before
> using. It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers, and can be bought
> on
> Amazon. It's called sodium something-cylate.
>
> Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag, when
> necessary.
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 10:32:39 -0800
> From: Sunshine <halogirl817 at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
> Message-ID: <20180207183239.halogirl817 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> My friend Darlene can get her dogs to relieve in the bag. I sure wish I
> could!
>
> Hugs
>
>
>
>
>
> Sunshine and my sweet, loving, playful, wiggling serious-working Tse black
> labradorable Velvet
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: his'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:07 am
> Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
>
> >
> >
> > I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag,
> > there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and makes
> it
> > more solid, so easier to deal with. One adds the powder to the bag
> before
> > using. It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers, and can be bought
> on
> > Amazon. It's called sodium something-cylate.
> >
> > Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag, when
> > necessary.
> >
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 14:50:13 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
> Message-ID: <370f73d3.16fa.4ba9.a161.263e96d0b1e9 at samobile.net>
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>
> It is not a thrill when all she has to do is not poop in a bag.
> I always feel it is waisted bag.
> Then when I don't think she has to poop then she does loll.
> I don't know if I would want to carry that powder around.
> How did you find it on amazon.
> I wouldn't have known a name at all.
> Thanks for sharing.
> Let me know how it works out if you try it, then I would consider buying
> it.
> Just hoping that the bag won't tare like it wishes to do from time to
> time.
>
>
> Original message:
> > I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag,
> > there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and makes
> it
> > more solid, so easier to deal with. One adds the powder to the bag
> before
> > using. It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers, and can be bought
> on
> > Amazon. It's called sodium something-cylate.
>
> > Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag, when
> > necessary.
>
> > Tracy
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 14:50:45 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
> Message-ID: <005d01d3a04c$f2266ec0$d6734c40$@access.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Does your friend have a male? If so, could I contact her and find out how
> she got that to work?
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sunshine via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:33 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sunshine
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
>
> My friend Darlene can get her dogs to relieve in the bag. I sure wish I
> could!
>
> Hugs
>
>
>
>
>
> Sunshine and my sweet, loving, playful, wiggling serious-working Tse black
> labradorable Velvet
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: his'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:07 am
> Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
>
> >
> >
> > I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag,
> > there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and
> > makes it more solid, so easier to deal with. One adds the powder to
> > the bag before using. It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers,
> > and can be bought on Amazon. It's called sodium something-cylate.
> >
> > Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag,
> > when necessary.
> >
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 14:54:39 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
> Message-ID: <005f01d3a04d$7d115450$7733fcf0$@access.net>
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>
> I didn't actually look for the powder yet; someone just told me it was
> there.
> Think I'm reaching the message limit, so I better shut up now.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:50 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: d m gina
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
>
> It is not a thrill when all she has to do is not poop in a bag.
> I always feel it is waisted bag.
> Then when I don't think she has to poop then she does loll.
> I don't know if I would want to carry that powder around.
> How did you find it on amazon.
> I wouldn't have known a name at all.
> Thanks for sharing.
> Let me know how it works out if you try it, then I would consider buying
> it.
> Just hoping that the bag won't tare like it wishes to do from time to
> time.
>
>
> Original message:
> > I just learned that, if one can teach the dog to urinate into the bag,
> > there's a powder one can put in the bag that absorbs the urine and
> > makes it more solid, so easier to deal with. One adds the powder to
> > the bag before using. It's the same stuff as is put in baby diapers,
> > and can be bought on Amazon. It's called sodium something-cylate.
>
> > Now if I can only figure out how to get my male to pee in the bag,
> > when necessary.
>
> > Tracy
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 12:56:56 -0700
> From: Yiska <ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
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> Hello group
>
> My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far
> treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the
> harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's
> suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks
> Yiska
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:08:14 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
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>
> I sometimes inadvertently bang my dog with the harness when I'm putting it
> on. To avoid this, I fold the longest strap up over the back of the
> harness, so it doesn't swing and hit him, and I put my hand that's not
> holding the harness under his chin, so I know exactly where his face is
> while I'm putting the harness on him. Sometimes I even make him sit
> before
> putting the harness on, so he's not moving around. If he sits, he usually
> has to stand up so I can buckle the harness around him, but he has to stay
> sitting until the harness is safely on his back.
> HTH.
> Tracy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Yiska via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:57 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Yiska
> Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
>
> Hello group
>
> My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far
> treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the
> harness.
> Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's suggestion
> was
> he will get used to it. Thanks Yiska
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:17:05 -0500
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
> Message-ID: <926EA252FA9C4E4F802D1C649537574E at SLJohnson>
>
> Hello:
>
> I am surprised that his trainer did not solve this problem before you got
> him. Anyway now you are stuck with it. I would clip the leash to his
> collar first and gently guide his head through the harness while giving
> gentle praise and encouragement. Once his head is in even if you did most
> of the work for him give plenty of excited praise and a nice treat. It
> might help to use an extra special treat that he only gets when it is time
> to get into his harness. Hold the treat out in front of him so he can see
> it and smell it while you are guiding his head into the harness. Make it a
> real celebration for getting into his harness. Do not worry about getting
> him too excited before working for now while your goal is to get him into
> the harness. It may mean that you have to start getting him ready about
> ten
> minutes earlier so he can calm down before working. In the end it will
> gradually help him to realize that getting into his harness is no big
> deal.
> I did this when my last guide dog Tara lost her confidence for work and
> was
> reluctant to get into her harness. It did not take long at all before she
> was happily wagging her tail and thrusting her curly golden head through
> that harness. I always had the treats ready just in case she suffered
> another lack of interest in her harness. Good luck getting your new pup
> dressed for work.
>
> Sandra Johnson
> SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yiska via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:56 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Yiska
> Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
>
> Hello group
>
> My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far
> treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the
> harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's
> suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks
> Yiska
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:26:29 -0500
> From: Andy Borka <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
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>
> Hi,
>
>
> My trainer also told us that the dogs will have to just get used to the
> idea of someone other than their trainer putting on the harness.
> However, there are ways to minimize problems with putting it on. First,
> fold the straps that go around their belly back on top of the back strap
> when holding it. This takes 75% of the risk of bumping them in the face
> out of the way. Second, try putting it over their head with the handle
> pointing straight up at the ceiling. This helps keep the martingale
> strap below the neckline, preventing it from bumping him in the face.
> Finally, putting it on should be a swift fluid motion that minimizes his
> reservations of the loose ends dangling around his head. It is almost
> like getting a blood draw for those who need it done quickly and without
> notice. Just get it done and over with. After some practice, your dog
> will love wearing it. I have had Alec for almost 7 months and he still
> pulls back somewhat. I interpret that as a signal that I am putting it
> on at the wrong angle, remove it from in front of his face, then try
> again.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On 02/07/2018 02:56 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
> > Hello group
> >
> > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far
> > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the
> > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's
> > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks
> > Yiska
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 14:59:47 -0600
> From: "Brenda Brenda Horwitz" <bkhicklin at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "'Tracy Carcione'" <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
> Message-ID: <036a01d3a056$97248160$c56d8420$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Tracy and all,
> I get my releaving bags with handels from Amazon, Amazon is the best I can
> find for the price.
>
> the bags I have now.
> I did find others. I will share the link below this one.
>
> AmazonSmile : PET N PET 800 Counts Unscented Tie Handle Dog Waste Bags
> Poop
> Bags Poo Bags : Pet Supplies, Price: $29.99
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/I
> /ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Here is the second link. The look to be about the same size, but more of
> them for less money.
> These will be the bags I get next time.
> AmazonSmile: 2000 Grocery / Convenience Store Small T-Shirt Carry-Out Bag
> Carryout 7'' x 5'' x 15'': Industrial & Scientific, Price: $25.38
> https://smile.amazon.com/Grocery-Convenience-T-Shirt-
> Carry-Out-Carryout/dp/B
> 00JQIBPEC/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1516736991&sr=8-17&keywords=T-shirt+Bags
>
> I hope this helps,
> Take care
> Brenda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 9:40 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Relieving harness bags
>
> On a conference call the other day, someone mentioned buying bags to use
> with a relieving harness. He said they are smaller than grocery bags, so
> don't bother the dog flapping around, and are more discreet. I've hunted
> on
> the site he mentioned, Amazon, and Google, with no luck.
>
> Does anyone here know anything about this?
>
>
>
> And, on the subject of relieving harnesses, on that same call it was
> mentioned that the Japanese train their dogs to do everything in a
> relieving
> bag, so the dog can do its business cleanly anywhere. I'd love that. As
> I've said before, Krokus has relieving issues, and just knowing that he
> could pee in a bag when we were somewhere and couldn't get out quickly
> would
> be a relief for me. I'm thinking particularly airports.
>
> So, does anyone know about using a relieving harness for a male dog's
> urination?
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 16:47:18 -0600
> From: "Julie Johnson" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
> Message-ID: <62B841A115824427B0FB7C95938E6817 at JuliePC>
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>
> Perhaps I'm weird, but I always put my dog's harnesses on upside down.
> Bear
> with me a moment! The harness I use has a martingale, so I fold that
> along
> the main shoulder/chest strap. I am standing with the dog facing me, not
> at
> my side. I hold the harness so the handle is down. The dog puts his/her
> head in. Once the harness has passed over the head, I grab the handle,
> twisting the harness up onto the dogs back and into the correct position.
> I
> find that some dogs don't like a bunch of stuff dangling over their head.
> Putting the harness on this way means that most of it is positioned where
> the dog can't really see it. I've done it this way for years and years.
> The worst thing that ever happens is that I have an overly eager dog who
> pushes their head into the wrong spot. That's pretty infrequent, but if
> it
> happens, I take it off and restart. Only a few seconds lost, no big deal.
>
> HTH
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?
> storeid=1916046>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yiska via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:56 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Yiska
> Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
>
> Hello group
>
> My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far
> treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the
> harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's
> suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks
> Yiska
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> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 23:56:39 +0100
> From: Bianka <bianka at andi-bika.de>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
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> Hi all,
>
> When I hear trainers suggesting dogs have just to get used to it I know
> this school wouldn?t be my first choice.
>
> Personally, I would start by treating every time the harness is put on.
> Also, (and I know there are some cultural differences here) I would only
> put on the harness while the dog does actual guide work. Additionally, I
> would try to make being in harness a positive experience. If it helps, a
> bit of play or fooling around before the harness is put on might also
> work.
> If possible, give your dog a work break of a few days. Do fun things (like
> interesting walks, new routes or whatever really makes your dog happy.
>
> Try to find out whether your dog has pain somewhere or if the harness
> might not be a good fit annymore, you might want to consider getting help
> from a physical therapist for dogs with that.
>
> Just my two additional cents. ..
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bianka
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:29:48 -0500
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
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> Julie:
>
> It does sound weird at first but I can see how it would work better for
> some
> dogs. However it did make me smile at the thought of what the average
> guide
> dog school trainer would think if they saw you putting on your dog's
> harness
> that way. In the wonderful world of guide dogs whatever works for any
> particular dog is great. Julie I always love your helpful training ideas
> and tips, keep them coming. Even after 43 years of guide dogs I can
> always
> learn something new.
>
> Sandra Johnson and Golden Eva
> SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 5:47 PM
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> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
>
> Perhaps I'm weird, but I always put my dog's harnesses on upside down.
> Bear
> with me a moment! The harness I use has a martingale, so I fold that
> along
> the main shoulder/chest strap. I am standing with the dog facing me, not
> at
> my side. I hold the harness so the handle is down. The dog puts his/her
> head in. Once the harness has passed over the head, I grab the handle,
> twisting the harness up onto the dogs back and into the correct position.
> I
> find that some dogs don't like a bunch of stuff dangling over their head.
> Putting the harness on this way means that most of it is positioned where
> the dog can't really see it. I've done it this way for years and years.
> The worst thing that ever happens is that I have an overly eager dog who
> pushes their head into the wrong spot. That's pretty infrequent, but if
> it
> happens, I take it off and restart. Only a few seconds lost, no big deal.
>
> HTH
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
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> From: Yiska via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:56 PM
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
>
> Hello group
>
> My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far
> treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the
> harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's
> suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks
> Yiska
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> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:36:57 -0500
> From: "Mary Metzger" <mmetzger1 at nycap.rr.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> If you don't already do so, you may also want to try spending extra time
> rubbing and petting your dog, especially on the head, neck and back.
> Surprisingly, some dogs are not very comfortable being touched, despite
> their training.
>
> Mary Beth
>
>
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 17:41:12 -0700
> From: Yiska <ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com>
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> Julie would that method work with a standard harness where the handle is
> fairly set?
> Yiska
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 17:38, "Mary Metzger via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > If you don't already do so, you may also want to try spending extra time
> > rubbing and petting your dog, especially on the head, neck and back.
> > Surprisingly, some dogs are not very comfortable being touched, despite
> > their training.
> >
> > Mary Beth
> >
> >
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> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 16:50:58 -0800
> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> To: Yiska via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
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> Yiska,
>
> How is he once you get the harness on? Does he seem uncomfortable,
> unhappy to go to work, or anything like that. If that is the case, a
> different harness might help. If he's comfy in the harness and happy to
> go to work, it could be that he just doesn't like the putting on part.
>
> Both of my poodles like to play slow-speed chase at harness time. It
> used to worry me, but I heard of other poodles doing the same thing.
> Once the harness is on, then they're good to go. I really decided to
> stop worrying when I noticed that Mitzi would end the game by "hiding"
> behind my husband, with her collar in just the right place for him to
> take hold of it so I could come put the harness on. She thought this was
> pretty funny. Silly dog. Loki has a different routine, but he is also
> the one who arranges to end up cornered and nabbed. It seems to mean
> something to them, so I spend a minute or two playing the game.
>
> Poor Loki. One day, I was getting ready to go somewhere. Just as I was
> at the point where I usually go to grab the harness so that he can hide
> from me, I remember something or other I had to do. So there he was,
> hiding under the desk, waiting to be discovered and brought out. And
> waiting. he came out to check on me, decided I might be ready to get on
> with the game, and whisked back to the desk. But no. After a couple of
> checks, he finally just came out, flopped down on the bed with a big,
> put-upon sigh and waited for me to get it together so we could go. When
> I did grab the harness, he didn't bother to hide, just waited for me to
> put it on him and go. Finally. He's a silly boy.
>
> Tami
>
> On 02/07/2018 11:56 AM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
> > Hello group
> >
> > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far
> > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the
> > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's
> > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks
> > Yiska
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> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 16:57:30 -0800
> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> To: Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
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> Julie,
>
> I think I'll try that, since I use the same kind of harness. I know
> Mitzi did not appreciate being hit by swinging straps before I got in
> the habit of making sure I had hold of everything. But maybe the handle
> also bothers the poodles, so that's why the slow-speed chase. It just
> occurred to me that they do the same thing when it's their regular
> walking harnesses, too, so maybe that's not it at all. They both love
> going on sniff 'n strolls in that harnesses, but they still play the
> same game as for their working harnesses. My dogs are just weird. But
> I'll try the upside down approach to see what happens.
>
> Tami
>
> On 02/07/2018 02:47 PM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU wrote:
> > Perhaps I'm weird, but I always put my dog's harnesses on upside down.
> > Bear with me a moment!? The harness I use has a martingale, so I fold
> > that along the main shoulder/chest strap.? I am standing with the dog
> > facing me, not at my side. I hold the harness so the handle is down.
> > The dog puts his/her head in.? Once the harness has passed over the
> > head, I grab the handle, twisting the harness up onto the dogs back and
> > into the correct position.? I find that some dogs don't like a bunch of
> > stuff dangling over their head. Putting the harness on this way means
> > that most of it is positioned where the dog can't really see it.??? I've
> > done it this way for years and years. The worst thing that ever happens
> > is that I have an overly eager dog who pushes their head into the wrong
> > spot.? That's pretty infrequent, but if it happens, I take it off and
> > restart.? Only a few seconds lost, no big deal.
> >
> > HTH
> > Julie
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> > <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?
> storeid=1916046>
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Yiska via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:56 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Cc: Yiska
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
> >
> > Hello group
> >
> > My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far
> > treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the
> > harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's
> > suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks
> > Yiska
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> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:04:32 -0700
> From: Yiska <ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com>
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> He definately doesn't like it especially in small spaces. He still loves
> to
> do his job though. The harness gets caught on everything! I think he may
> be
> a touch closterphobic. I was going to try some body awareness exercises
> but
> not quite sure how to do that with guide work.
> Yiska
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 17:58, "Tami Jarvis via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Julie,
> >
> > I think I'll try that, since I use the same kind of harness. I know
> > Mitzi
> > did not appreciate being hit by swinging straps before I got in the
> > habit
> > of making sure I had hold of everything. But maybe the handle also
> bothers
> > the poodles, so that's why the slow-speed chase. It just occurred to me
> > that they do the same thing when it's their regular walking harnesses,
> too,
> > so maybe that's not it at all. They both love going on sniff 'n strolls
> in
> > that harnesses, but they still play the same game as for their working
> > harnesses. My dogs are just weird. But I'll try the upside down approach
> to
> > see what happens.
> >
> > Tami
> >
> > On 02/07/2018 02:47 PM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps I'm weird, but I always put my dog's harnesses on upside down.
> >> Bear with me a moment! The harness I use has a martingale, so I fold
> that
> >> along the main shoulder/chest strap. I am standing with the dog facing
> me,
> >> not at my side. I hold the harness so the handle is down. The dog puts
> >> his/her head in. Once the harness has passed over the head, I grab the
> >> handle, twisting the harness up onto the dogs back and into the correct
> >> position. I find that some dogs don't like a bunch of stuff dangling
> over
> >> their head. Putting the harness on this way means that most of it is
> >> positioned where the dog can't really see it. I've done it this way
> for
> >> years and years. The worst thing that ever happens is that I have an
> overly
> >> eager dog who pushes their head into the wrong spot. That's pretty
> >> infrequent, but if it happens, I take it off and restart. Only a few
> >> seconds lost, no big deal.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >> Julie
> >> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> >> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> >> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> >> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_
> >> Departments?storeid=1916046>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Yiska via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:56 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Cc: Yiska
> >> Subject: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
> >>
> >> Hello group
> >>
> >> My dog hates putting his harness on and backs up. I have tried so far
> >> treating him when his face is partially and all the way through the
> >> harness. Any suggestions? He had this issue in class and my trainer's
> >> suggestion was he will get used to it. Thanks
> >> Yiska
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 20:30:49 -0500
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
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> Yiska:
>
> Yes, it will work with your type of harness. I just tried it with Eva's
> harness and it works just fine.
>
> Sandra and Eva
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 7:41 PM
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> Cc: Yiska
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
>
> Julie would that method work with a standard harness where the handle is
> fairly set?
> Yiska
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 17:38, "Mary Metzger via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > If you don't already do so, you may also want to try spending extra time
> > rubbing and petting your dog, especially on the head, neck and back.
> > Surprisingly, some dogs are not very comfortable being touched, despite
> > their training.
> >
> > Mary Beth
> >
> >
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> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 04:51:42 -0600
> From: "Julie Johnson" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
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> Yes, it will work. It won't make any difference about the harness style or
> handle configuration.
>
>
>
> Julie
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 6:41 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Harness aversion
>
> Julie would that method work with a standard harness where the handle is
> fairly set?
> Yiska
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 17:38, "Mary Metzger via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > If you don't already do so, you may also want to try spending extra time
> > rubbing and petting your dog, especially on the head, neck and back.
> > Surprisingly, some dogs are not very comfortable being touched, despite
> > their training.
> >
> > Mary Beth
> >
> >
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