[NAGDU] General public advising me and Alec

[Andy B.]

We don't go to very many meetings or interviews right now. The only regular
meeting we go to is the public transit ADA committee I vice chair. This is
once a month. Alec gets social interaction when I socialize. Going to
church, life group events, going to the store (more than one type of store),
up to the university campus when required (soon for sporting events), riding
the bus,, and sometimes job interviews. The job class isn't something I
need. As I explained to this specialist, my job hunting skills are more
advanced than what the classes teach. It is the specialist who thinks the
job classes will be useful because Alec can get training on how to handle
social situations. It is an excuse to try and keep me there. Before he saw
Alec in class, his only excuse was that we can see what other people are
dealing with in the area of employment problems...maybe it will inspire us
to figure out another path to a career. In any event, the career part is OT,
and I will let it rest for now.

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Andy, what all are you doing to get your dog exposed to these kinds of
situations? Are you going to a lot of meetings/interviews? Is there anything
of value in the classes, or are you wanting to opt out because of the dog? I
think you have the right to say no; just be clear that the real reason is
that the classes are not useful. If they aren't, they are a waste of time.
If they are, the dog needs to learn to behave through them just as he will
have to do when he is in a job situation. While I agree that you have the
right to say no and cannot be bullied into going to the class, you just need
to be sure your no is because you honestly don't need the classes. 

Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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Subject: [NAGDU] General public advising me and Alec

Hi,

 

I came across an interesting predicament. At this time, I am working with an
employment specialist that works for my state blind rehab agency. During our
normal mettings, he advised we attend an employment class taught by another
state agency. We agreed to attend a session or two for the general
experience. During the first session, which lasted about 1.5 hours, Alec
tended to be somewhat annoyed that people were required to get up and move
about to interact with each other during an ice breaker activity. The
conference room is small and contained about 20 people.

While everyone was sitting down during lectures, Alec whimpered every so
often. He also wanted his space and moved his back end out away from my left
side. I only assume he wanted to face the direction of the speaker. I
attempted to get him back to my left side. In most cases, it worked.
However, a few times it didn't work very well. After a point, I let him lay
where he was at the time. Besides, he wasn't bothering anyone or getting
into trouble. When the session finished, I informed the specialist that the
class probably wouldn't meet my needs, and we most likely shouldn't
continue. The employment specialist disagreed and started telling me that I
should attend the remaining 3 weeks because it is good practice for Alec to
be involved in social events such as employment class, staff meetings, job
interviews, and the like. Naturally, I agreed that Alec needed to be
involved in social events. On the other hand, seeking them out just to get
practice is not what we need right now. Alec gets enough practice in
interviews, staff meetings, and committee meetings to understand what I
expect. I attempted to explain that dogs will do what dogs do the best. The
main concern is keeping them under control at all times, not expecting them
to act like robots. He will never stay perfectly quiet during a meeting, he
will never lay down and be perfectly still like an inanimate object, and he
will most likely want to visit other people for some time. Unfortunately,
the specialist insists on the practice and doesn't understand how dog
guide/handler relationships work. What do I do to put out the burning flame
of this problem?

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