[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 154, Issue 3
John Bauer
knotblind at gmail.com
Sun Jan 7 15:59:23 UTC 2018
JB here new to the list,
i have been following the banter on accessibility
and defining terms. concerning types of dogs etc.
i am on dog 2 and have experienced many challenges.
4 years ago i was denied the serves dog exemption
and told i could not move in if i did not pay the pet fee 300$
having no option i payed, next i contacted HUD housing
to file a complaint against the housing authority, weeks went by
and nothing happened, finally a lawyer friend sent a letter explaining,
i had the rite to sue the housing authority and each commissioner
individually, 6 mounts later they returned my money. that was not fun
i still live with just a hint of resentment from building staff, were i a
vindictive man or money driven i could have made quite the maelstrom
for them. my motive from jump was to stand tall for guide dog teams
that will follow behind me and simply have them comply with the law.
the wheels of Justis turn very slow and retribution will follow.
i have been refused rides asked to leave, denied access
no less than a dozen times and counting, i have leaned
to take this on a case by case level, some times it's better to leave
when tact and diplomacy will not prevail.
thees encounters have be come much more frequent sens
the introduction of the emotional support dogs.
i welcome thees encounters as teaching opportunity's
today, not an attack. like it or not each,
guide dog team represents all guide dog teams
the world is watching, the dogs behavior in public seems to be the rub
of course that is no biggy for me, i do have the best dog on the planet.
if all dogs had a slandered for behavior this would be easier for all.
it is so simple to get any dog a document for public accessibility.
with no special training, and no accountability. it makes it hard for all
service dogs. another liability the public doesn't want.
thank goodness for the laws, with out them we would not live as we do
they are not or ever will be perfect so it is up to me to be willing to
adapt
humbly
jb & Kelly dog
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> 1. Reasonable Accommodation v. Modification of Policies,
> Practices, & Procedures was Registering Guide Dog at Work
> (NAGDU President)
> 2. Re: Dog finger tooth brushes. (Becky Frankeberger)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 20:57:01 -0500
> From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Reasonable Accommodation v. Modification of Policies,
> Practices, & Procedures was Registering Guide Dog at Work
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> Mike,
>
> I have been reading this thread but have not had much time to
> respond due to my other projects. I have stated several times on this list
> that there is a difference between a reasonable accommodation and a
> modification of policies, practices, and procedures. This issue highlights
> that difference. Titles II & III require public accommodation and private
> entities that provide public accommodation to modify their policies,
> practices, and procedures to allow an individual with a disability the
> right to be accompanied by a service dog. This means suchentities must
> allow n individual with a disability the right to be accompanied by a
> service dog unless doing so would create a direct threat, if the dog is out
> of control, or the dog is not housebroken.
>
> Title I, however, requires employers to make a reasonable
> accommodation to allow an employee with a disability the right to be
> accompanied by a service dog. The difference between a modification of
> policies, practices, and procedures and a reasonable accommodation is that
> a reasonable accommodation is a negotiated agreement between the employer
> and employee. During this negotiation the parties agree to certain
> practices and an employer may require documentation of the need for the
> service dog, vaccination records, and bathroom breaks to relieve the dog.
> These are due to the long-term presence of the service dog and the
> balancing of the rights of other employees. Endorsing documents such as the
> one you have been asked to sign may be a part of the provision of a
> reasonable accommodation.
>
> If there are other questions or comments about this, let's discuss
> them so we can all become better advocates for guide and service dog users!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Forzano via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:55 AM
> To: Michael Hingson
> Cc: Michael Forzano; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Registering Guide Dog at Work
>
> I think you?re right, the more I think but it. It?s not about others
> complaining as anyone with a pet dog can request access. When the request
> was made, the team that handles dog registration was asked to approve it
> (confirm that I actually have a dog).
> I find the company to be supportive in general but am concerned they won't
> understand the importance of this issue, also that mentioning the ADA will
> open a whole can of worms given that legal compliance can be a sensitive
> issue.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 2, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Michael Hingson <mike at michaelhingson.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Given what you are saying I think it inadvisable to sign the forms
> especially since you have and use a guide dog which is your right under the
> ADA. They should not require you to fill out anything. What you can do, if
> the issue is that HR wonders who might complain because "why can Mike bring
> his dog into restricted areas while I cannot?" is to help strengthen the
> company's wisdom by helping them to understand your rights as a guide dog
> user.
> >
> > Remember, it is not the dog who has rights, but you who have them under
> the law.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> > Michael Hingson
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Forzano [mailto:michaeldforzano at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 5:36 PM
> > To: Michael Hingson <mike at michaelhingson.com>
> > Cc: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Registering Guide Dog at Work
> >
> > Thanks Mike. Thankfully they aren't trying to deny me the accommodation
> of bringing my dog. TO give a bit more background on how this came about,
> there are certain floors that are access restricted through revolving
> turnstyles that a dog can't fit through (they move much too fast). I
> requested access to the regular doors and am now being asked to fill out
> these forms. The policy does restrict dogs from going to meeting rooms and
> common areas but notes that accommodations will be given to service animals.
> >
> > I agree this might not be a battle worth fighting but I'm just not sure.
> Honestly I'd probably just fill out the form and try to push for change
> afterwords, if not for the process being inaccessible. I have to print out
> a PDF, sign it, scan it and email it back. An inaccessible process to get
> access to an inaccessible area of the building. That bothers me.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >> On 1/2/18, Michael Hingson <mike at michaelhingson.com> wrote:
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> Having your guide dog at work is by any standard a "reasonable
> >> accommodation" under the ADA. Your dog is not a pet.
> >>
> >> At the same time I suggest that you pick your battles. Is there
> >> anything objectionable about your employer's "pet policy"? One thing
> >> I can think of is that any policy you might sign should not refer to
> >> your dog as a pet. In general I agree that you should not be required
> >> to sign anything because your dog is not a pet, but part of you and
> >> necessary for you to do your job.
> >> You need to decide if discretion is the better part of valor.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Hingson
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> >> Forzano via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:49 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [NAGDU] Registering Guide Dog at Work
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> My employer is dog friendly, and has a registration process for pet
> >> dogs where you are required to agree to their pet policy and provide
> >> up to date vaccinations. I have not registered my guide but have run
> >> into a situation where I am now being asked to register her "just in
> >> case anything should ever happen". Does anyone know if an employer is
> allowed to require this?
> >> I'd rather not do this if it's not required.
> >> Any tips on how I might handle this would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mike
> >>
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> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 08:02:59 -0800
> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog finger tooth brushes.
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> Yes, a wet terrycloth piece of towel. The nubs, for lack of a better word,
> will scrub the teeth polishing them clean. Then use your nail to go on each
> tooth. If your nail drags, scrape with your nail to remove tarter. This is
> the best, I think, way to clean your dog's teeth. Four dogs in twenty-four
> years and only that first one had to have his teeth professionally cleaned.
> That cleaning was before I learned of this method. My vet commented how
> clean and white my aging dog's teeth were. How often did I clean the teeth?
> Get serious, about four times a year if the dog was lucky.
>
> Hard to argue with success, but hey do as you wish.
>
> Becky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel Moloney
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 12:47 PM
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> Cc: Gabriel Moloney <gmoloney6467 at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog finger tooth brushes.
>
> hi i am just following this thread now. So I might have missed out on
> some
> of the suggestions, for tooth brushes can people recommend a particular
> type
> for me please? that would be great.
> many thanks and good wishes
> Gabriel :)
>
> > On 3 Jan 2018, at 19:42, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, no. I have the grooming mits, a silicone bristle brush and a
> deshedding tool similar to the Furminator.
> >
> > Julie
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> > <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?stor
> > eid=1916046> -----Original Message----- From: d m gina via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:35 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: d m gina
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog finger tooth brushes.
> >
> > I had a swell slicker brush, I have no clue what happened to it.
> > I tried to buy another one like it, where I can't find like I used to
> have.
> > Do you sell those as well?
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Original message:
> >> I sell them. they are 2 for $5. they only have bristles on one
> >> side. the other side has soft bumps that can be used to massage the
> >> gums. Here's a
> >> link:
> >> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Item_Detail?itemid=3581206
> >
> >> Let me know if I can help in any way. My email address is:
> >> julielj at neb.rr.com
> >> Thanks!
> >> Julie
> >> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> >> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> >> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> >> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?sto
> >> reid=1916046>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Shirley Koda via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:11 AM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> Cc: Shirley Koda
> >> Subject: [NAGDU] Dog finger tooth brushes.
> >
> >> I don't remember if it was on this list but I thought I saw someone
> >> post somewhere about dog finger tooth brushes which have bristles
> >> around the whole brush. If anyone knows of anything like this, please
> >> post it. Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Shirley
> >
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