[NAGDU] Delta to Require Advance Documentation for Service, Support Animals to Fly - WSJ - distemper

Mon Jan 22 00:07:01 UTC 2018

I believe that the answer lies in better training for the airlines.
Like others, I wonder why on earth Delta considers this to be a
solution to their problems.  Everyone should have vaccination records
for their dogs.  Requiring proof of these will not stop the fakers;
nor will it prevent an animal's bad behavior anywhere.

To me this seems like an attempt at an easy fix for a problem that
doesn't have a quick and dirty answer.  Training, that costs money and
takes time, that's what needs to happen, but these large companies
will do anything they can to avoid such an inconvenience.

I personally do not want to show shot records before I fly.  Maybe
there is a loophole in the law that allows for this, and I realize
after reading responses to this from the blindness community that my
opinion is pretty unpopular.  But shot records don't prove anything.
They simply create an obstacle for me, give me one more hoop to jump
through as a blind person, and put me in a system.  What would stop
Delta or any other airline from flagging my account after my dog's
shot records go into the system?  I am one of those who never
discloses that I have a guide dog, and I do it to protect myself.  I
come as I am, guide dog at my side, because that's how I choose to
move about in the world.  He is my service animal, and nothing will
tell you about his work more clearly than me actually using him.
People with invisible disabilities are at a disadvantage here, but if
the dog is well-behaved and the person can answer the two ADA
questions with confidence, then let's not make judgements about their
disability or force them to jump through these hoops either.

Essentially, I would agree that the ACAA should, in a perfect world,
be more in line with the ADA.  But that would take more work than
simply putting the problem back on the shoulders of people with
disabilities.  These new requirements irk me, and I hope we can do
something to create some real change in the airline industry.  I will
of course do whatever I can to help.

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On 1/21/18, Jenine Stanley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes, Nancy, I encourage anyone to make liberal use of their video cameras
> should they be the subject or object of a poorly behaved animal situation,
> anywhere, but especially on an aircraft.
>
> As a friend repeats when the law suit prospective rears its ugly head,
> “Anyone can sue anyone for anything.”
>
> I suspect if a few of these cases did go to court and the animal owner in
> question was forced to prove his/her status as disabled and the animal’s
> status as whatever it was claimed, things might slowly change. Until that
> point though, we have all manner of scheme to avoid being the Bad Guy.
>
>> On Jan 20, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately though I can already see someone suing for discrimination
>> for being kicked off of the airplane. I personally think that the way that
>> people are recording stuff with cell phones nowadays would be helpful in a
>> situation such as an unruly dog on the airplane.
>>
>> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
>> voice dictation
>> Nancy Irwin
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2018, at 8:37 PM, Jenine Stanley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If we can convince airline executives that the world won’t end in a fiery
>>> ball of yuck if they actually enforce the rules, we’ll have quite
>>> probably solved the issue.
>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2018, at 7:11 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jenine,
>>>>
>>>>   Now, there's a fine idea that would curb the problem, provided the
>>>> fine is signifant enough and cannot be waived. Perhaps the first person
>>>> who gets stranded in an airport away from home because their ESA acted
>>>> out would get the word out about this!
>>>>
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>>>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not
>>>> what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine
>>>> Stanley via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 6:22 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Jenine Stanley
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta to Require Advance Documentation for Service,
>>>> Support Animals to Fly - WSJ - distemper
>>>>
>>>> I whole-heartedly agree with you, Marion. Also if an animal is out of
>>>> control in the cabin during flight, the animal should be required to be
>>>> transported in cargo for any remaining legs of that flight and a fine
>>>> should be levied against the owner.
>>>>
>>>> The ACAA does not, by the nature of being a civil rights law, prescribe
>>>> penalties against individuals who violate its provisions. It’s a law
>>>> designed to protect rights, not punish those who abuse
>>>> rights/definitions.
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2018, at 6:08 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   My opinion on this and on the more gloabal issue of fake service dog
>>>>> users - whether under the ADA or ACAA - is that once businesses begin
>>>>> confidently denying those with poorly-behaved dogs from their premises,
>>>>> the issue will continue. If someone were to show up at the airline gate
>>>>> with an out-of-control dog and they were denied carriage on that plane,
>>>>> the problem will begin to abate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
>>>>> Federation of the Blind
>>>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>>>>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not
>>>>> what holds you back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tara Briggs
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 4:58 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Tara Briggs
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta to Require Advance Documentation for
>>>>> Service, Support Animals to Fly - WSJ - distemper
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all! So I’m just wondering how exactly this policy is going to help
>>>>> the issue. I was reading somebody’s comment on it on Facebook. This
>>>>> person is blind and was traveling with a friend who had a guy dog. She
>>>>> had major allergies to a friends dog and she went and sat in another
>>>>> part of the plane. She was joined by some people with extremely poorly
>>>>> behaved think emotional service animals. In addition, one of those
>>>>> service animals got loose before they boarded the plane and try to
>>>>> attack her friends guy dog. So it does seem to me that something needs
>>>>> to be done. And what I really wish that is is I wish that Delso went
>>>>> after the people with the fake service animals because it wasn’t
>>>>> behaving like a service animal and welcome to the well-behaved guy dog
>>>>> on the plane. What everybody’s thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2018, at 1:24 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's perfectly clear, Tracy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *David in Clearwater, FL*
>>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com*
>>>>>>> On 1/20/2018 2:31 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't see how proof of vaccination has any relation to good
>>>>>>> behavior, otherwise.
>>>>>>
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