[NAGDU] Using positive reinforcement instead of punishment

[Yiska]

This is such a good conversation with good ideas.

On Jan 21, 2018 15:07, "Dan Weiner via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

very interesting, I honestly have never found that, right out of the box so
to speak, the dogs do well with overheads, it takes a lot of reinforcement
and consistency, even then I'm not convinced that dogs are able to look up
when they're looking forward, right and left--smile. I'm tall enough, six
four, 193 cm, and even if my dog does it well, sooner or later something
will happen--smile. All of my dogs did great at it in  familiar
environments where they were expecting overheads that they were used to,
but in unfamiliar areas it could be a problem.  Yes, tapping or showing the
dog  the object, maybe shaking it a bit if you won't hurt yourself   is
fine.  But I just warn you, in my opinion, sooner or later you will hit
something from overhead.

On the thee hand, I can tell you a story--smile. you were afraid of that,
weren't you.

When I was taking a summer course at Middle bury college I stayed in the
dorm and there was a staircase which would be partially in the way of my
face--smile. when I walked with Evan, dog at the time he always took me
around it. but one day there was going to be a loud party  with dancing and
I left Evan to sleep in my room and sallied forth with the cane....well not
knowing that that particular staircase would indeed cause resistance to my
head if passed--smile I banged right in to it...Evan had always taken me
around it...that definitely woke me up. The moral of the story is, I bet
for every misjudgement our dogs make even with overheads that there are
plenty of things they are keeping ous safe from.


Dan the man with Parker the hound




On 1/21/2018 2:49 PM, Bianka via NAGDU wrote:

> Hi Jiska and all,
>
> My current school does not usually teach to rework a situation like this
> but I know it from my previous school and have used it with all my dogs.
> Personally, I found that leash corrections are not the right way to handle
> these kinds of situations. I feel asking the dog to stop, turn around and
> rework the situation is disrupting the flow in such a way that usually the
> dog will be motivated to do it right next time. Now, if I see the same
> mistake a second time I usually drop the harness handle and show my dog the
> overhead obstacle or the curb he/she missed if it‘s safe, that will usually
> do the trick. Even with my black lab who was sometimes hard to motivate a
> leash correction would only shut her down in those situations.
>
> As for the clicker, I have conditioned a praise word and I do use treats
> if I know it will help my dog stay on track. I find the clicker very
> helpful in training really specific behaviors but you have to be very
> careful as to the timing of the click. On route I use a conditioned marker
> word and treats. As for a no reward marker, I think it‘s a question of
> attitude. Dogs are very good pattern matchers. So you could either use a
> non-reward marker or just use a command to tell the dog what he/she should
> do. In fact, my school teaches a non-reward marker or verbal correction has
> always to be followed by the thing we want our dog to do in that particular
> moment.
>
> Just my two cents, hth,
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bianka
>
>
>
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