[NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response

Star Gazer pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
Fri Jan 26 18:10:01 UTC 2018


			I'm not convinced GEB isn't behind this whole thing. 
Remember the guy mentioned flying Delta and then Delta implements this policy. 


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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wayne And Harley D via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:59 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Wayne And Harley D <k9dad at k9di.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response

   What I read in GEB's statement boils down to "We've got ours, to heck with the rest of you!!".

Wayne And Harley D
k9dad at k9di.org
-------- Original message --------From: d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Date: 1/25/18  13:43  (GMT-06:00) To: nagdu at nfbnet.org Cc: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response I think I am missing a step here.
The school is willing to give out the cards, what I am hearing you say is we don't show the cards?
The school feels if you show the card this would help?
Is this what I am understanding?
Then if you keep up with the certificate of all shots, this would be fine?
I am not sure what else I would need to bring?
Thanks,

Original message:
> I’d like to share the link to the guiding eyes page on which the 
> statement is posted.
> Here’s the link:

> https://www.guidingeyes.org/33497/access-hotline-for-our-graduates/

> Here’s the text:
> “[...]

> On January 19, 2018, Delta Airlines announced the requirement of a 
> health certificate for service animals on all domestic flights. 
> Guiding Eyes is communicating with Delta to understand how to help our 
> graduates navigate these new procedures.

> Guiding Eyes currently provides health certificates to all graduates 
> that are valid up to one year (depending on date of vaccinations.) 
> After the initial certificate expires, we can provide an updated 
> health certificate to graduates who bring their guides to the Guiding 
> Eyes Training Center in Yorktown Heights, NY, for a check-up by a 
> staff veterinarian.

> We continue to issue I.D. cards and letters to all graduates 
> certifying that each Guiding Eyes guide dog has been formally trained 
> as a service dog and has been taught to be well behaved in public. 
> While not required by law, these can be helpful in resolving access challenges.

> The entire Guiding Eyes community works hard to make sure our dogs are 
> bred, socialized and trained to be well behaved in public. Guiding 
> Eyes remains committed to assisting our graduates and are pleased to 
> add this enhancement to our comprehensive follow up services. If you 
> have any questions about this announcement please contact me directly.

> Sincerely,

> Ben Cawley
> Director of Admissions
> Guiding Eyes for the Blind
> 914-243-2227<tel:914-243-2227>
> 800-942-0149<tel:800-942-0149>
> bcawley at guidingeyes.org<mailto:bcawley at guidingeyes.org>”

> Check us out
> @chief - a service dog
> on Facebook

> On Jan 24, 2018, at 10:16 PM, Milissa Garside via NAGDU 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

> Wow, I just saw the statement on the guiding eyes website that this 
> response refers to. Pretty darn disappointing.

> Milissa

> Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 12:12 AM, Sonja O via NAGDU 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

> Very disappointing, indeed.
> Thanks for sharing.
> Best wishes to you, sonja

> Check us out
> @chief - a service dog
> on Facebook

> On Jan 24, 2018, at 8:59 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

> Dear NAGDU Members & Supporters,



> I am writing to share with you my comments to Guiding Eyes for the 
> Blind regarding their comments on Delta's proposed service animal policy.



> Fraternally yours,

> Marion Gwizdala their statement



> January 24, 2018



> Dear Mr. Cawley,

> Via Email: bcawley at guidingeyes.org<mailto:bcawley at guidingeyes.org>

>              I want to express my extreme disappointment with the  
>response by Guiding eyes for the Blind to the issue we are facing with 
>delta  Airlines. The National Association of Guide Dog Users, a strong 
>and proud  division of the National Federation of the Blind,  is 
>committed to  advocating for all guide dog users, whether they receive 
>their guide dogs  from a formal training program or choose to 
>owner-train their dogs. We are  also aware that, when we advocate for 
>policies that affect us as guide dog  users, we have a more global 
>responsibility to the entire service dog  industry. We take this 
>responsibility seriously and reject any attempt to  weaken our civil 
>rights. This being said, we oppose any measures that have  the effect 
>of discriminating against disabled individuals who use service  dogs, 
>including the imposition of an unequal benefit, something Guiding Eyes  for the Blind seems to condone in their recent statement.



> Though it is true that consumers of Guiding Eyes for the Blind and 
> other guide dog training programs are issued identification cards, 
> these cards are not and should not be required as a precondition for 
> access under the Air Carrier Access Act or a covered entity under the 
> Americans with Disabilities Act. Though it is equally true that all 
> responsible animal owners, including guide and service dog users, must 
> accept the responsibility of maintaining the health of their dogs, it 
> is paternalistic to require us to demonstrate that we are doing so 
> just because we are blind or otherwise disabled and use a service dog! 
> The requirement to present a health record as a precondition to travel 
> is discriminatory and imposes an undue burden for those of us who use 
> service dogs. Likewise, the inability to book on-demand travel and 
> check-in online, curbside, or by means of a kiosk is a discriminatory unequal benefit.



>              By issuing their statement, Guiding Eyes for the Blind 
>has  done a disservice to their consumers and the entire service dog 
>using  public. Such an ill-informed position compromises the progress 
>made by the  National Federation of the Blind and the National 
>Association of Guide Dog  Users to ensure that service dog users have 
>the right to full participation  in society on terms of full equality 
>and to travel freely without harassment  or the imposition of unnecessary, burdensome requirements.



>              The National Association of Guide Dog Users strongly 
>urges  Guiding Eyes for the Blind to rescind their statement and take a 
>stand with  us to demand that those of us who choose to use service 
>dogs have the  ability to travel freely and on equal terms with our 
>nondisabled peers. We  further urge

> all guide and service dog training programs to stand with the National 
> Federation of the blind and its National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users to ensure that their consumers are well-informed about their 
> civil rights under the law and take an active role in advocating for those rights.



>              For more information about the National Association of 
>Guide  Dog Users, please visit our website



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> Marion Gwizdala



> Marion Gwizdala, President

> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)

> National Federation of the Blind

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