[NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response

Sherri Brun flmom2006 at gmail.com
Fri Jan 26 23:04:47 UTC 2018 

Good luck!  I have not had any response either.

Sherri

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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 3:39 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandbelto at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response

Going to be emailing Leader Dogs again since they never responded to my first email about Delta  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Rebecca and anyone else considering  hurling unfounded accusations, they will not be tolerated here.
> 
> Thank you for your cooperation.
> Cindy Lou Ray moderator
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>           I'm not convinced GEB isn't behind this whole thing. 
>> Remember the guy mentioned flying Delta and then Delta implements this policy. 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wayne And 
>> Harley D via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:59 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Wayne And Harley D <k9dad at k9di.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's 
>> Response
>> 
>>  What I read in GEB's statement boils down to "We've got ours, to heck with the rest of you!!".
>> 
>> Wayne And Harley D
>> k9dad at k9di.org
>> -------- Original message --------From: d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Date: 1/25/18  13:43  (GMT-06:00) To: nagdu at nfbnet.org Cc: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response I think I am missing a step here.
>> The school is willing to give out the cards, what I am hearing you say is we don't show the cards?
>> The school feels if you show the card this would help?
>> Is this what I am understanding?
>> Then if you keep up with the certificate of all shots, this would be fine?
>> I am not sure what else I would need to bring?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> I’d like to share the link to the guiding eyes page on which the 
>>> statement is posted.
>>> Here’s the link:
>> 
>>> https://www.guidingeyes.org/33497/access-hotline-for-our-graduates/
>> 
>>> Here’s the text:
>>> “[...]
>> 
>>> On January 19, 2018, Delta Airlines announced the requirement of a 
>>> health certificate for service animals on all domestic flights.
>>> Guiding Eyes is communicating with Delta to understand how to help 
>>> our graduates navigate these new procedures.
>> 
>>> Guiding Eyes currently provides health certificates to all graduates 
>>> that are valid up to one year (depending on date of vaccinations.) 
>>> After the initial certificate expires, we can provide an updated 
>>> health certificate to graduates who bring their guides to the 
>>> Guiding Eyes Training Center in Yorktown Heights, NY, for a check-up 
>>> by a staff veterinarian.
>> 
>>> We continue to issue I.D. cards and letters to all graduates 
>>> certifying that each Guiding Eyes guide dog has been formally 
>>> trained as a service dog and has been taught to be well behaved in public.
>>> While not required by law, these can be helpful in resolving access challenges.
>> 
>>> The entire Guiding Eyes community works hard to make sure our dogs 
>>> are bred, socialized and trained to be well behaved in public. 
>>> Guiding Eyes remains committed to assisting our graduates and are 
>>> pleased to add this enhancement to our comprehensive follow up 
>>> services. If you have any questions about this announcement please contact me directly.
>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>> 
>>> Ben Cawley
>>> Director of Admissions
>>> Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>>> 914-243-2227<tel:914-243-2227>
>>> 800-942-0149<tel:800-942-0149>
>>> bcawley at guidingeyes.org<mailto:bcawley at guidingeyes.org>”
>> 
>>> Check us out
>>> @chief - a service dog
>>> on Facebook
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 10:16 PM, Milissa Garside via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow, I just saw the statement on the guiding eyes website that this 
>>> response refers to. Pretty darn disappointing.
>> 
>>> Milissa
>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 12:12 AM, Sonja O via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Very disappointing, indeed.
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> Best wishes to you, sonja
>> 
>>> Check us out
>>> @chief - a service dog
>>> on Facebook
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 8:59 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear NAGDU Members & Supporters,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I am writing to share with you my comments to Guiding Eyes for the 
>>> Blind regarding their comments on Delta's proposed service animal policy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Fraternally yours,
>> 
>>> Marion Gwizdala their statement
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> January 24, 2018
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Dear Mr. Cawley,
>> 
>>> Via Email: bcawley at guidingeyes.org<mailto:bcawley at guidingeyes.org>
>> 
>>>            I want to express my extreme disappointment with the 
>>> response by Guiding eyes for the Blind to the issue we are facing 
>>> with delta  Airlines. The National Association of Guide Dog Users, a 
>>> strong and proud  division of the National Federation of the Blind,  
>>> is committed to  advocating for all guide dog users, whether they 
>>> receive their guide dogs  from a formal training program or choose 
>>> to owner-train their dogs. We are  also aware that, when we advocate 
>>> for policies that affect us as guide dog  users, we have a more 
>>> global responsibility to the entire service dog  industry. We take 
>>> this responsibility seriously and reject any attempt to  weaken our 
>>> civil rights. This being said, we oppose any measures that have  the 
>>> effect of discriminating against disabled individuals who use 
>>> service  dogs, including the imposition of an unequal benefit, something Guiding Eyes  for the Blind seems to condone in their recent statement.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Though it is true that consumers of Guiding Eyes for the Blind and 
>>> other guide dog training programs are issued identification cards, 
>>> these cards are not and should not be required as a precondition for 
>>> access under the Air Carrier Access Act or a covered entity under 
>>> the Americans with Disabilities Act. Though it is equally true that 
>>> all responsible animal owners, including guide and service dog 
>>> users, must accept the responsibility of maintaining the health of 
>>> their dogs, it is paternalistic to require us to demonstrate that we 
>>> are doing so just because we are blind or otherwise disabled and use a service dog!
>>> The requirement to present a health record as a precondition to 
>>> travel is discriminatory and imposes an undue burden for those of us 
>>> who use service dogs. Likewise, the inability to book on-demand 
>>> travel and check-in online, curbside, or by means of a kiosk is a discriminatory unequal benefit.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>            By issuing their statement, Guiding Eyes for the Blind 
>>> has  done a disservice to their consumers and the entire service dog 
>>> using  public. Such an ill-informed position compromises the 
>>> progress made by the  National Federation of the Blind and the 
>>> National Association of Guide Dog  Users to ensure that service dog 
>>> users have the right to full participation  in society on terms of 
>>> full equality and to travel freely without harassment  or the imposition of unnecessary, burdensome requirements.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>            The National Association of Guide Dog Users strongly 
>>> urges  Guiding Eyes for the Blind to rescind their statement and 
>>> take a stand with  us to demand that those of us who choose to use 
>>> service dogs have the  ability to travel freely and on equal terms 
>>> with our nondisabled peers. We  further urge
>> 
>>> all guide and service dog training programs to stand with the 
>>> National Federation of the blind and its National Association of 
>>> Guide Dog Users to ensure that their consumers are well-informed 
>>> about their civil rights under the law and take an active role in advocating for those rights.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>            For more information about the National Association of 
>>> Guide  Dog Users, please visit our website
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>> Live the life you want; nobody can stop you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Respectfully yours,
>> 
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> 
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
>> 
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>> 
>>> (813) 626-2789
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind 
>>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is 
>>> not what holds you back.
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