[NAGDU] limited messages per day

Sat Jan 27 02:44:28 UTC 2018

	I will only say to this message and all others who assert there is something the NFB and NAGDU should do about this but stay neutral in their membership that it seems as if one would seek the benefits without the work. Just saying! The National Federation of the Blind and the National Association of Guide Dog Users invests its time, talents, and treasures so everyone can live the lives they want. They live those lives because of our hard work and then tell us we should do more. This is all well and good; however, as the American Express card commercial says "Membership has its privileges!" For me, that privilege is knowing I have done something to make the world a little more free. The privilege of those who sit on the fence are splinters in their butts!

Fraternally yours,
Marion

Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you back.

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott Berry via NAGDU
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 8:43 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Scott Berry
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] limited messages per day

It is each of our responsibilities to advocate for ourselves but if we have organizations out there then they need to also do their part.  I also understand that if we don’t do our part then you certainly can’t do yours because if we don’t advocate for ourselves then honestly how can an organization advocate for you.  It also gets very political and I’ll also say that part turns me away from organizations such as the NFB as well.  Although I may believe in some things that you and the ACB do I am not a member of either and choose to remain that way for the rest of my days.

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Scott, I could have handled this wrong, but we are all subject to human error. But just yesterday you said you don’t mess with blindnessorganizations because it is each of our responsibility to advocate for him or herself. Today you asked, “What are you guys doing about it?”  Surely that is contradictory.
> 
> Cindy Lou Ray
> Cindyy ray at gmail.com
> P.S.if you want to continue this discussion, please take it off list. It is off-topic.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Scott Berry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Cindy,
>> 
>> I wasn’t trying to be rude but the way you handled this with your excuse me comment is the reason I don’t go for organizations like the nFB the reason I joined this list was to learn new things but if your going to have a bit of an attitude please pull off the list as I don’t the head ache.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> Excuse me, but this list includes information from President Gwizdala concerning his dialog with GEB? Also, I can’t remember the other things he posted. But it isn’t up to “you guys” but to all of us collectively and separately. 
>>> 
>>> Cindy Lou Ray moderator Cindyy ray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Scott Berry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy,
>>>> 
>>>> What are you guys doing to help with this situation?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is an important topic and needs discussed. However, we are no longer saying anything that hasn’t been said. Read all that has been said and see if I am right. I feel for Mary Ann and would remind you that we have taken this list waaay over the top. We all feel very passionately about this discrimination, but no matter how passionately we feel, we aren’t going to change the mind osf someone with equal passion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please think about what you  are going to say and consider if it 
>>>>> is going to add anything, and let’s put the brakes on this 
>>>>> plane/train Thank you Cindy Lou Ray, moderator Cindyy 
>>>>> ray at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 7:45 AM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can't handle this level of traffic even though I delete most of 
>>>>>> it so I am leaving the group. I know NAGDU and the NFB will fight 
>>>>>> for all of us on the important issue of flying with our service dogs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:15 PM, margo Downey via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mary Ann, I would agree with you about the volume of posts but 
>>>>>>> this is an important topic that needs to be hashed out and 
>>>>>>> thought through and talked through.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Margo and Isis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>> Marianne Denning via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 8:45 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] limited messages per day
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I understand there are some hot topics on this list but I think 
>>>>>>> the moderator needs to enforce the limit on the number of posts 
>>>>>>> per topic. Many times people just keep repeating the same thing 
>>>>>>> over and over. Some of us may drop off the list if this level of traffic continues.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
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