[NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Sun Jan 28 22:59:09 UTC 2018 

There will be none of this discussion. I am sure there is plenty more to be said, but make what you say about the Delta issue and not a poll on the rudeness of messages.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Cindy Lou Ray moderator Cindyy ray at gmail.com

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> On Jan 28, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Jessica Diaz via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> That post seemed to be a little rude. Anyways, I really would be careful about throwing such statements around.
> Jessica
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via NAGDU
> Sent: January 26, 2018 1:10 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response
> 
>            I'm not convinced GEB isn't behind this whole thing. 
> Remember the guy mentioned flying Delta and then Delta implements this policy. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wayne And Harley D via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:59 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Wayne And Harley D <k9dad at k9di.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response
> 
>   What I read in GEB's statement boils down to "We've got ours, to heck with the rest of you!!".
> 
> Wayne And Harley D
> k9dad at k9di.org
> -------- Original message --------From: d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Date: 1/25/18  13:43  (GMT-06:00) To: nagdu at nfbnet.org Cc: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response I think I am missing a step here.
> The school is willing to give out the cards, what I am hearing you say is we don't show the cards?
> The school feels if you show the card this would help?
> Is this what I am understanding?
> Then if you keep up with the certificate of all shots, this would be fine?
> I am not sure what else I would need to bring?
> Thanks,
> 
> Original message:
>> I’d like to share the link to the guiding eyes page on which the 
>> statement is posted.
>> Here’s the link:
> 
>> https://www.guidingeyes.org/33497/access-hotline-for-our-graduates/
> 
>> Here’s the text:
>> “[...]
> 
>> On January 19, 2018, Delta Airlines announced the requirement of a 
>> health certificate for service animals on all domestic flights.
>> Guiding Eyes is communicating with Delta to understand how to help our 
>> graduates navigate these new procedures.
> 
>> Guiding Eyes currently provides health certificates to all graduates 
>> that are valid up to one year (depending on date of vaccinations.) 
>> After the initial certificate expires, we can provide an updated 
>> health certificate to graduates who bring their guides to the Guiding 
>> Eyes Training Center in Yorktown Heights, NY, for a check-up by a 
>> staff veterinarian.
> 
>> We continue to issue I.D. cards and letters to all graduates 
>> certifying that each Guiding Eyes guide dog has been formally trained 
>> as a service dog and has been taught to be well behaved in public.
>> While not required by law, these can be helpful in resolving access challenges.
> 
>> The entire Guiding Eyes community works hard to make sure our dogs are 
>> bred, socialized and trained to be well behaved in public. Guiding 
>> Eyes remains committed to assisting our graduates and are pleased to 
>> add this enhancement to our comprehensive follow up services. If you 
>> have any questions about this announcement please contact me directly.
> 
>> Sincerely,
> 
>> Ben Cawley
>> Director of Admissions
>> Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>> 914-243-2227<tel:914-243-2227>
>> 800-942-0149<tel:800-942-0149>
>> bcawley at guidingeyes.org<mailto:bcawley at guidingeyes.org>”
> 
>> Check us out
>> @chief - a service dog
>> on Facebook
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>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 10:16 PM, Milissa Garside via NAGDU 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
>> Wow, I just saw the statement on the guiding eyes website that this 
>> response refers to. Pretty darn disappointing.
> 
>> Milissa
> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 12:12 AM, Sonja O via NAGDU 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
>> Very disappointing, indeed.
>> Thanks for sharing.
>> Best wishes to you, sonja
> 
>> Check us out
>> @chief - a service dog
>> on Facebook
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 8:59 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
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>> Dear NAGDU Members & Supporters,
> 
> 
> 
>> I am writing to share with you my comments to Guiding Eyes for the 
>> Blind regarding their comments on Delta's proposed service animal policy.
> 
> 
> 
>> Fraternally yours,
> 
>> Marion Gwizdala their statement
> 
> 
> 
>> January 24, 2018
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> 
> 
>> Dear Mr. Cawley,
> 
>> Via Email: bcawley at guidingeyes.org<mailto:bcawley at guidingeyes.org>
> 
>>             I want to express my extreme disappointment with the 
>> response by Guiding eyes for the Blind to the issue we are facing with 
>> delta  Airlines. The National Association of Guide Dog Users, a strong 
>> and proud  division of the National Federation of the Blind,  is 
>> committed to  advocating for all guide dog users, whether they receive 
>> their guide dogs  from a formal training program or choose to 
>> owner-train their dogs. We are  also aware that, when we advocate for 
>> policies that affect us as guide dog  users, we have a more global 
>> responsibility to the entire service dog  industry. We take this 
>> responsibility seriously and reject any attempt to  weaken our civil 
>> rights. This being said, we oppose any measures that have  the effect 
>> of discriminating against disabled individuals who use service  dogs, 
>> including the imposition of an unequal benefit, something Guiding Eyes  for the Blind seems to condone in their recent statement.
> 
> 
> 
>> Though it is true that consumers of Guiding Eyes for the Blind and 
>> other guide dog training programs are issued identification cards, 
>> these cards are not and should not be required as a precondition for 
>> access under the Air Carrier Access Act or a covered entity under the 
>> Americans with Disabilities Act. Though it is equally true that all 
>> responsible animal owners, including guide and service dog users, must 
>> accept the responsibility of maintaining the health of their dogs, it 
>> is paternalistic to require us to demonstrate that we are doing so 
>> just because we are blind or otherwise disabled and use a service dog! 
>> The requirement to present a health record as a precondition to travel 
>> is discriminatory and imposes an undue burden for those of us who use 
>> service dogs. Likewise, the inability to book on-demand travel and 
>> check-in online, curbside, or by means of a kiosk is a discriminatory unequal benefit.
> 
> 
> 
>>             By issuing their statement, Guiding Eyes for the Blind 
>> has  done a disservice to their consumers and the entire service dog 
>> using  public. Such an ill-informed position compromises the progress 
>> made by the  National Federation of the Blind and the National 
>> Association of Guide Dog  Users to ensure that service dog users have 
>> the right to full participation  in society on terms of full equality 
>> and to travel freely without harassment  or the imposition of unnecessary, burdensome requirements.
> 
> 
> 
>>             The National Association of Guide Dog Users strongly 
>> urges  Guiding Eyes for the Blind to rescind their statement and take a 
>> stand with  us to demand that those of us who choose to use service 
>> dogs have the  ability to travel freely and on equal terms with our 
>> nondisabled peers. We  further urge
> 
>> all guide and service dog training programs to stand with the National 
>> Federation of the blind and its National Association of Guide Dog 
>> Users to ensure that their consumers are well-informed about their 
>> civil rights under the law and take an active role in advocating for those rights.
> 
> 
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>>             For more information about the National Association of 
>> Guide  Dog Users, please visit our website
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>> Live the life you want; nobody can stop you!
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>> Respectfully yours,
> 
>> Marion Gwizdala
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> 
> 
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
> 
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
> 
>> National Federation of the Blind
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>> (813) 626-2789
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>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  
>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is 
>> not what holds you back.
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