[NAGDU] Not impressed at all with Leader Dogs

[nellie at culodge.com]

Jordan,

I am in the same boat with Sully and could have copied your story pretty
much word for word!!  

Last summer I was at a farmers market with Sully when a 10 pound yappy dog
came up from behind Sully and started barking, growling and got in his face.
I had him sitting right next to me because I had stopped to look at
something and had my arm through his leash.  The other dog was on a
retractable leash, and honestly it scared the daylights out of me too
because Sully reacted in a very aggressive way.  I got the other dog away
from him and told the lady to get her dog away from us.  Not kidding, about
20 feet further the exact same thing happened with the same dog.  Ever since
that day he has reacted to any dog we come across.  My school (OCCUPAWS) was
told of the situation and they told me a few things to try with him but the
problem just got worse.  One of their trainers came and saw it happen with
him(we set him up with a friends dog) and he told me at that time once that
behavior starts it is about a 99% chance that you are not going to break him
of it.  I was heartbroken because he is an absolutely fantastic guide dog,
but that one situation pretty much ruined him.  I have tried the GL, perfect
pace and the pinch collar and none of them work.  I just recently decided to
retire him, and he isn't even 5 yet.  I am not blaming my school because
they did try different things with me, but like the trainer said, I can't
break him of that aggressive behavior once it starts.  

I completely understand your frustration, and feel your pain!!  Good luck
with whatever you decide to do, Janell

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
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Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 4:15 PM
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Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandbelto at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Not impressed at all with Leader Dogs

Oh, I forgot to add that Belto was very nearly attacked at a farmers market
a few weeks ago and that is when he started odd behaviors.
Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Nancy VanderBrink via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 4:09 PM
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Cc: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Not impressed at all with Leader Dogs

Have you tried a prong collar?

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
voice dictation Nancy Irwin


> On Jul 9, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> The subject says it all.  Leader Dogs is up to not listening nor 
> taking the problem seriously again regarding Belto's aggressive 
> behaviors around other dogs sometimes.  Suggestions?  They are down to 
> one field rep as some of us might be aware of.  .  Last night was the 
> exact situation I have been worrying about where he tries to attack 
> another dog and nothing works to put a stop to it except for getting 
> physical with my dog, which is exactly what I ended up having to do.
> Other times the dog or dogs are behind fences and it took both me and 
> the girlfriend I had at the time to literally drag him out of those 
> situations.  His work is great otherwise, but none of the usual 
> methods work on Belto since he is so strong willed.  Leader is also 
> failing to realize that there is a big difference between when Belto 
> wants to play with another dog and when he is being aggressive.
> Usually, if Belto is going to be aggressive, I am quite close to the 
> other dog before he shows any interest where as if he wants to play, 
> he will start picking up the pace and pulling more a bit of a distance
from the other dog.  That case, hop up and/or a correction works every
single time to get his head on straight.
> 
> Jordan
> 
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