[NAGDU] For Dar - Gentle leader and Halti, and a really cool leash adjusting trick.

Peter Wolf pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Sun Jul 22 22:12:59 UTC 2018


Dar, 

Thanks for clarifying.  Yes, the gentle leader and halti are similar.  The only real difference is that gentle leader will fit a more typically built dog, such as labs, etc.  Their snout is substantial, in good balance with the head size and a typically good fit for a gentle leader.  If your dog is a classic type of build for guide or service, halti might not fit around the snout as well, unless you get a size big enough and then cinch down the part that goes up behind the ears and buckles.  For a sighthound, which has a narrow and long snout in relation to it’s head size, halti works well.  I think I mentioned this… Metukah is almost as tall as a lab, about as long, but built so air-blade narrow (think as in greyhound body) that she actually only weighs 31 pounds!  That’s a long, narrow snout.  This isn’t a small dog, but an extremely narrow build. Halti makes a whole progression of sizes.   We are blessed here on the California North Coast, with a privately owned, mile long beach nearby that is dog friendly and leash free.  I think of things when she runs like the SR 71 Blackbird or other supersonic jets.  That snout and head seem to have been made to pierce a parting path through air so that the body won’t combust from air friction when she goes supersonic!  Needless to say, that ought to explain Halti for narrow snout fits!

You also brought up a good point worth addressing, about whether or not to hand your dog off with uber or other places.  I have found that because I can be spatially and balance challenged as well as visually, it is easy to get into “juggling” syndrome when holding a bunch of things including my dog’s leash in transitions.  So I have invented something that has made it unnecessary ever to hand off my dog, even if I let go of the leash!  I will describe it to you.  And for any of you other readers for whom you might find this helpful, no matter whether you have straight leash on collar, or leash on harness, or leash on a gentle leader or halti…..have at it!

What I have done, is to hand-sew two loops onto a standard five foot leash.  I’ll fill you in on just how I have placed them.  For the loops, just big enough to slip one or two fingers through is plenty.  That’s all Metukah and I need, because we walk with only fingertip pressure anyway.  If you need more pressure or a stronger grip, just make the loop bigger to accommodate the amount of fingers that you’ll hold it with. 

One of the loops, goes onto the leash in a short leash position.  This is located so that her head will be attentively up, with just enough room to work together and not much more.   So if I grab the leash itself, this first loop will be at my side (my belt), just a little up from the snap.  Or it it is in my hand instead of on my belt, I have my elbow comfortably bent holding it.  This will depend on your (and your dog’s) heights.  Just make sure that even though there isn’t much play in this position when holding this loop, that your dog has safely and comfortably enough leash length to be working attentively with you in optimal positioning together as a team - just enough - and not more which can get sloppy if something happens and you lose your hold on the leash.  

Think of it like this:  Some distraction happens, you find that you’ve dropped the leash…but the dog is exactly right there in step with you as if nothing happened.  That’s good training, leash or not, but hey we all screw up sometimes.  This is for close work, or rare times where I need to let go for a moment, but have her exactly in position at my side even if there is a distraction.  I doesn’t allow extra spatial movement from our most exact or extreme positioning like we suddenly have to get through a really tight space, maneuver through a crowd when doing so isn’t easy, or I want my dog close and totally dialed in because there’s an untethered, uncontrolled dog coming and I might have to deal with it.  We don’t use this loop much, but on rare occasions it can be helpful.  I can recall the exams, when we had to walk Tuki through a chopped hot dog minefield on the way into the mall, and she just kept going, taking me through.  But I can also remember being at whole foods, where I met someone I knew and got engrossed in conversation.  Someone had dropped a bunch of food on the floor previously where we were standing…and I discovered that my girl was about to snarf up that burrito memory.  Ah, the short loop…this loop is short enough, that this can’t happen.  

The other loop, is the one that I use almost all the time.  This one goes onto the leash so that she and I are in a loose and relaxed working position, with some play in it.  In this position, whether the loop is on my belt or whether it is in my hand, I can let her out, pull her in, and she can just make it to sniff the ground if necessary.  

What I haven’t said yet, is that I use a standard, full sized climber’s carabiner to clip one or two parts of the leash onto my belt.   Because we are trained well, and of course being nagdu buddies, you all are too, we all likely have dogs that won’t wander off like pet dogs do if we let go of a leash.  They’ll be more interested in remaining together working.  So actually, the only thing really necessary to clip onto my belt with the carabiner, is the factory loop handle on the end of the leash.  Then I simply trace down the leash and put a finger through the loop that we will use at the time.  That works great.  

But here’s the really cool part.  If my hands are full, or there is a distraction that I want to deal with, or, say, I need to negotiate getting me, a bunch of stuff, and my dog, into an uber, bus, train, airplane or anything else… …  then I simply clip the desired length of working leash on my belt, deal with all that stuff and even let go of my dog if necessary, and, there she is, in perfect formation with me when it is time to walk around the vehicle / doorway / crowd or whatever.  And it is seamless.  We don’t even break stride.

Why the carabiner, is that it is big with a big swinging gate.  The non-locking kind is best.  Go to REI, or another sporting goods shop to find one.  I don’t mean a cheap hardware store kind.  Get a real full sized aluminum climber’s carabiner.  It will set you back nine to fourteen bucks.  But well worth it.  Get one that hangs up the least over your belt in the spot where it’s swinging gate closes and locks in when you let go of the gate to form the closed loop.  Some stick out a little more in this spot.  The closure gate can be the solid tubular shape, or the twin wire gate.  Both are great.  This way, if you have one that operates well for you, you’ll get the hang of being able to unhook it from your belt with one hand easier if you need to unclip it quickly.  And, if it is ever necessary to quickly do a tie down somewhere, you can loop the leash around something, drop the carabiner on it and you’re done.  If it is a chair leg, fence or other item, you can clip the biner right onto it.  

This has given me tremendous freedom, and if you try it, I hope it helps you too.  

Cheers,
Peter

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> My only concern about talking a dog to the dog park is if it meets up with a dog that is out of control. I think people do it though. Some go there with a sighted person I think. I probably wouldn't do it myself. I had dogs here for my own dog's enjoyment, and he has enjoyed them a lot. He isn't so much into playing now as he is 12 years old, but he still might have a little romp with one dog we gave away but who comes back to visit us from time to time.
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> Hi all.
> 
> So I asked on a guide dog users list from my country if someone wanted to do walks once a week to exercise their dog and no one answered. 3 months later I asked if someone would like to take their dog to a local dog park so that my dog and theirs could socialize, and again no answer.
> 
> My question is this: do you folks who have program dogs have any restriction as far as taking your dog to dog parks, outdoor areas or socialize your dog with other non-assistance dogs is concerned? I ask this because maybe I'm asking something that's not allowed without me knowing it.
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> Thanks a lot!
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> GDB recommends that we don't take our dogs to a dog park. I haven't done it, though I know people who do. The problem is that once my dog is off leash and interacting with other dogs, I've lost control. Even if my dog had perfect recall--some have and some haven't--is that I cannot control what other dogs do. It's not that I do everything exactly the way GDB says to do things. I allow my dogs on my bed and other furniture for instance, but not letting her loose in a dog park with dogs I don't know seems like a reasonable safety issue to me. I do have good friends with two pet dogs and when we visit, Petunia goes out in their yard and plays with the dogs a bit. And when my best friend visits with his dog, the two play. The difference is that the adults in my friends' home and in mine are responsible and we all control our dogs. That's not always the case with other people, and since I don't know in the cases of dog parks, I'd rather be safe than sorry. Also, Petunia has a bad dog distraction issue already, so letting her play with random dogs isn't a good idea.
> 
> Sherry
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> Hi all.
> 
> So I asked on a guide dog users list from my country if someone wanted to do
> walks once a week to exercise their dog and no one answered. 3 months later
> I asked if someone would like to take their dog to a local dog park so that
> my dog and theirs could socialize, and again no answer.
> 
> My question is this: do you folks who have program dogs have any restriction
> as far as taking your dog to dog parks, outdoor areas or socialize your dog
> with other non-assistance dogs is concerned? I ask this because maybe I'm
> asking something that's not allowed without me knowing it.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
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> hi everyone, I took my guide dog Gabe to the dog park shortly after i got
> him because he needed to burn off energy. However, when I got to the park a
> larger dog was attacking a chihuahua, and the dog's owner did nothing to
> stop it. I was so upset that I vowed to never set foot in a dog park again.
> When i was in class at the Seeing Eye to get my current dog, Barbara we
> were advised not to take our guides to dog parks because most of the dogs
> are undisciplined and untrained.
> If you want your dog to socialize with another dog, it would be good to
> find a friend with a fenced yard so that they can be supervised more
> effectively.
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> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Monse via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hi all.
>> 
>> So I asked on a guide dog users list from my country if someone wanted to
>> do
>> walks once a week to exercise their dog and no one answered. 3 months later
>> I asked if someone would like to take their dog to a local dog park so that
>> my dog and theirs could socialize, and again no answer.
>> 
>> My question is this: do you folks who have program dogs have any
>> restriction
>> as far as taking your dog to dog parks, outdoor areas or socialize your dog
>> with other non-assistance dogs is concerned? I ask this because maybe I'm
>> asking something that's not allowed without me knowing it.
>> 
>> Thanks a lot!
>> 
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> The only time I would let any dog I have play at a dog park is if I happened to be with one of my aunts and uncles out in Oregon.  She trains dogs as well has a lot of other experience from her past employment to judge things.  She won't even let her pet dogs play in a dog park if after careful observation she determines it would not be safe.
> Jordan
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> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sherry Gomes via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:19 AM
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> Cc: Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> GDB recommends that we don't take our dogs to a dog park. I haven't done it, though I know people who do. The problem is that once my dog is off leash and interacting with other dogs, I've lost control. Even if my dog had perfect recall--some have and some haven't--is that I cannot control what other dogs do. It's not that I do everything exactly the way GDB says to do things. I allow my dogs on my bed and other furniture for instance, but not letting her loose in a dog park with dogs I don't know seems like a reasonable safety issue to me. I do have good friends with two pet dogs and when we visit, Petunia goes out in their yard and plays with the dogs a bit. And when my best friend visits with his dog, the two play. The difference is that the adults in my friends' home and in mine are responsible and we all control our dogs. That's not always the case with other people, and since I don't know in the cases of dog parks, I'd rather be safe than sorry. Also, Petunia has a bad dog distraction issue already, so letting her play with random dogs isn't a good idea.
> 
> Sherry
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> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> So I asked on a guide dog users list from my country if someone wanted to do walks once a week to exercise their dog and no one answered. 3 months later I asked if someone would like to take their dog to a local dog park so that my dog and theirs could socialize, and again no answer.
> 
> My question is this: do you folks who have program dogs have any restriction as far as taking your dog to dog parks, outdoor areas or socialize your dog with other non-assistance dogs is concerned? I ask this because maybe I'm asking something that's not allowed without me knowing it.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 14:50:27 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
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> Original The halty that was sent to me feels exactly as the gentle leader does.
> If this is the case, what is the difference of the two.
> When I put this on the dog, I felt as though it could brake.
> Because the longer strap you can attach to it feels like a ribbon with 
> a clasp on it to attach it to the leash I think.
> What I didn't care for is I thought it would cover more of the nose.
> She still can dive for her treasures if she wishes to.
> I went back to the canny collar with the leash behind the ears.
> I did this because when I get into an uber truck I don't want to hand 
> the dog to the driver, I want to keep the leash on my arm.
> Then her neck isn't beeing pulled because of getting in.
> I hope I explained it better, can't do any more than that.
> message:
>> Dar,
>> Would you please rephrase your question.  I didn?t understand what you 
>> might be asking, and would like to help.  We?ve used Halti a lot.
>> Best,
>> Peter
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 21:16:23 +0000
> From: Sonja O <sohldag at hotmail.com>
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> That's a tricky question. I personally wouldn't take my guy to a fenced dog run. People don't quite pay attention and play often times turns into challenging situations.
> Many people text or don't watch their dogs while they let them do whatever they want.
> 
> I do take Chief to beaches or on hikes where he can be off leash and we meet and greet some dogs here and there.
> We also meet up with friends and their dogs for regular socializing and play time.
> I prefer the more casual setting where we randomly meet people and their dogs rather than going to a confined area with too many dogs.
> 
> We live in the sf Bay Area, so we luckily have lots of outdoor alternatives.
> Hope that helped.
> Best sonja and Chief
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> The only time I would let any dog I have play at a dog park is if I happened to be with one of my aunts and uncles out in Oregon.  She trains dogs as well has a lot of other experience from her past employment to judge things.  She won't even let her pet dogs play in a dog park if after careful observation she determines it would not be safe.
> Jordan
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> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:19 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> GDB recommends that we don't take our dogs to a dog park. I haven't done it, though I know people who do. The problem is that once my dog is off leash and interacting with other dogs, I've lost control. Even if my dog had perfect recall--some have and some haven't--is that I cannot control what other dogs do. It's not that I do everything exactly the way GDB says to do things. I allow my dogs on my bed and other furniture for instance, but not letting her loose in a dog park with dogs I don't know seems like a reasonable safety issue to me. I do have good friends with two pet dogs and when we visit, Petunia goes out in their yard and plays with the dogs a bit. And when my best friend visits with his dog, the two play. The difference is that the adults in my friends' home and in mine are responsible and we all control our dogs. That's not always the case with other people, and since I don't know in the cases of dog parks, I'd rather be safe than sorry. Also, Petunia has a bad dog distraction issue already, so letting her play with random dogs isn't a good idea.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Monse <monse_v at aol.com.mx>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> So I asked on a guide dog users list from my country if someone wanted to do walks once a week to exercise their dog and no one answered. 3 months later I asked if someone would like to take their dog to a local dog park so that my dog and theirs could socialize, and again no answer.
> 
> My question is this: do you folks who have program dogs have any restriction as far as taking your dog to dog parks, outdoor areas or socialize your dog with other non-assistance dogs is concerned? I ask this because maybe I'm asking something that's not allowed without me knowing it.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> 
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> From: "Monse" <monse_v at aol.com.mx>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
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> Hi Sonja, I agree on your points. I also love to go on hikes. When we are in
> the city, I usually use my cane and walk him on a loose leash. When we go to
> dog parks or are out in the country he can be off leash chasing squirrels or
> socializing with local casual dogs. I also take him to 2 boarding
> facilities: in one he does a bit of agility, and the other is for him to go
> swimming because lakes are 4 hours far from where we live and we rarely go
> there. I recently joined a group of people that have mostly labs as pets and
> we often go to outdoor areas to socialize both humans and dogs.
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] En nombre de Sonja O via NAGDU
> Enviado el: s?bado, 21 de julio de 2018 04:16 p. m.
> Para: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> CC: Sonja O <sohldag at hotmail.com>
> Asunto: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> That's a tricky question. I personally wouldn't take my guy to a fenced dog
> run. People don't quite pay attention and play often times turns into
> challenging situations.
> Many people text or don't watch their dogs while they let them do whatever
> they want.
> 
> I do take Chief to beaches or on hikes where he can be off leash and we meet
> and greet some dogs here and there.
> We also meet up with friends and their dogs for regular socializing and play
> time.
> I prefer the more casual setting where we randomly meet people and their
> dogs rather than going to a confined area with too many dogs.
> 
> We live in the sf Bay Area, so we luckily have lots of outdoor alternatives.
> Hope that helped.
> Best sonja and Chief
> 
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> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:26:07 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> The only time I would let any dog I have play at a dog park is if I happened
> to be with one of my aunts and uncles out in Oregon.  She trains dogs as
> well has a lot of other experience from her past employment to judge things.
> She won't even let her pet dogs play in a dog park if after careful
> observation she determines it would not be safe.
> Jordan
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> GDB recommends that we don't take our dogs to a dog park. I haven't done it,
> though I know people who do. The problem is that once my dog is off leash
> and interacting with other dogs, I've lost control. Even if my dog had
> perfect recall--some have and some haven't--is that I cannot control what
> other dogs do. It's not that I do everything exactly the way GDB says to do
> things. I allow my dogs on my bed and other furniture for instance, but not
> letting her loose in a dog park with dogs I don't know seems like a
> reasonable safety issue to me. I do have good friends with two pet dogs and
> when we visit, Petunia goes out in their yard and plays with the dogs a bit.
> And when my best friend visits with his dog, the two play. The difference is
> that the adults in my friends' home and in mine are responsible and we all
> control our dogs. That's not always the case with other people, and since I
> don't know in the cases of dog parks, I'd rather be safe than sorry. Also,
> Petunia has a bad dog distraction issue already, so letting her play with
> random dogs isn't a good idea.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
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> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Monse via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 10:42 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Monse <monse_v at aol.com.mx>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> So I asked on a guide dog users list from my country if someone wanted to do
> walks once a week to exercise their dog and no one answered. 3 months later
> I asked if someone would like to take their dog to a local dog park so that
> my dog and theirs could socialize, and again no answer.
> 
> My question is this: do you folks who have program dogs have any restriction
> as far as taking your dog to dog parks, outdoor areas or socialize your dog
> with other non-assistance dogs is concerned? I ask this because maybe I'm
> asking something that's not allowed without me knowing it.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:55:28 -0500
> From: "Monse" <monse_v at aol.com.mx>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
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> Hi.
> 
> In my opinion dogs are dogs, trained or not, and need to interact with each other. I think it would be like if I wouldn?t allow my son to play with kids that aren?t receiving the same education or aren?t going to the same type of school. I?ve found very beneficial that my dog interacts with other dogs as much as possible, since he doesn?t have this desire to play or greet dogs when he?s in harness.
> 
> As for fenced yards I think they are good, but probably not large enough to run freely, plus  He won?t find the same distractions than in outdoor places.
> 
> JMO
> 
> 
> 
> De: Elizabeth Campbell [mailto:batescampbell at gmail.com] 
> Enviado el: s?bado, 21 de julio de 2018 10:00 a. m.
> Para: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> CC: Monse <monse_v at aol.com.mx>
> Asunto: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> 
> 
> hi everyone, I took my guide dog Gabe to the dog park shortly after i got him because he needed to burn off energy. However, when I got to the park a larger dog was attacking a chihuahua, and the dog's owner did nothing to stop it. I was so upset that I vowed to never set foot in a dog park again. When i was in class at the Seeing Eye to get my current dog, Barbara we were advised not to take our guides to dog parks because most of the dogs are undisciplined and untrained.
> 
> If you want your dog to socialize with another dog, it would be good to find a friend with a fenced yard so that they can be supervised more effectively.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Monse via NAGDU < <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> So I asked on a guide dog users list from my country if someone wanted to do
> walks once a week to exercise their dog and no one answered. 3 months later
> I asked if someone would like to take their dog to a local dog park so that
> my dog and theirs could socialize, and again no answer.
> 
> My question is this: do you folks who have program dogs have any restriction
> as far as taking your dog to dog parks, outdoor areas or socialize your dog
> with other non-assistance dogs is concerned? I ask this because maybe I'm
> asking something that's not allowed without me knowing it.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:56:31 -0500
> From: Lisa Belville <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
> To: Elizabeth Campbell via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
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> Hi, all.
> 
> 
> I don't remember the exact advice they gave us at GDA when I got Paige, 
> but I'm with those of you who stay away from dog parks. It's bad enough 
> when a supposedly trained and leashed dog is running wild while its 
> clueless owner does nothing.? Put same dog and clueless owner in a 
> situation where the dog has no leash and it's a recipe for disaster, 
> IMO.? The average dog user and those of us with working dogs have 
> completely opposite interpretations of play.? <sigh>? Also, I wouldn't 
> want to put any Guide Dog in a situation where they felt threatened,? 
> either in or out of harness.
> 
> 
> Having said that, I let Paige play with my sister's adopted Boxer 
> Mastiff Mix.? yes, he's huge. . . Think show quality Boxer body with a 
> Mastiff Head photoshopped on the neck.? LOL ? but like most big dogs he 
> has no clue he's supposed to be threatening. He's very well mannered and 
> obedient, and he and Paige usually have a few minutes of vigorous 
> sniffing, nipping, and play bowing when they first meet, then they 
> settle down and will occasionally groom each other during their 
> remaining time together.
> 
> 
> We let them meet each other under very controlled circumstances for the 
> first few times before we felt comfortable letting them be off leash 
> with each other.
> 
> 
> I've found that Paige isn't as excited by other dogs if she has a chance 
> to socialize occasionally with a doggie friend.? My previous dog was 
> very dog driven, so having a dog who can work past a loose dog or a 
> yappy fenced in dog without ripping my arm off to say hello is wonderful.
> 
> 
> Lisa And Paige
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:03:23 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
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> OK, but you asked the question. Are we allowed to take our dogs to dog parks? The answer was that it is not advised to do it. For one thing, a lot of money is invested in training the dogs; if something happens to your dog, then that investment is gone. I am not sure that the analogy of your son and other kids and your dog and other dogs is quite the same either. However, I have a sense that you are from somewhere else and not here. Just don't come across too judgmentally when we say what we do. Dogs adapt to their situations; dogs actually like structure. So do children for that matter. It all comes down to a matter of choice and what is done wherever you are. If your dog can handle that kind of freedom then that's good. I live in a city and my dog would run the risk of being hit by cars if I let him run loose. I like him to have friends to play with, but I couldn't be comfortable letting him run free or going to a dog park.
> 
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Monse via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 6:55 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Monse <monse_v at aol.com.mx>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> Hi.
> 
> In my opinion dogs are dogs, trained or not, and need to interact with each other. I think it would be like if I wouldn?t allow my son to play with kids that aren?t receiving the same education or aren?t going to the same type of school. I?ve found very beneficial that my dog interacts with other dogs as much as possible, since he doesn?t have this desire to play or greet dogs when he?s in harness.
> 
> As for fenced yards I think they are good, but probably not large enough to run freely, plus  He won?t find the same distractions than in outdoor places.
> 
> JMO
> 
> 
> 
> De: Elizabeth Campbell [mailto:batescampbell at gmail.com] Enviado el: s?bado, 21 de julio de 2018 10:00 a. m.
> Para: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> CC: Monse <monse_v at aol.com.mx>
> Asunto: Re: [NAGDU] Just out of curiosity
> 
> 
> 
> hi everyone, I took my guide dog Gabe to the dog park shortly after i got him because he needed to burn off energy. However, when I got to the park a larger dog was attacking a chihuahua, and the dog's owner did nothing to stop it. I was so upset that I vowed to never set foot in a dog park again. When i was in class at the Seeing Eye to get my current dog, Barbara we were advised not to take our guides to dog parks because most of the dogs are undisciplined and untrained.
> 
> If you want your dog to socialize with another dog, it would be good to find a friend with a fenced yard so that they can be supervised more effectively.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Monse via NAGDU < <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> So I asked on a guide dog users list from my country if someone wanted to do walks once a week to exercise their dog and no one answered. 3 months later I asked if someone would like to take their dog to a local dog park so that my dog and theirs could socialize, and again no answer.
> 
> My question is this: do you folks who have program dogs have any restriction as far as taking your dog to dog parks, outdoor areas or socialize your dog with other non-assistance dogs is concerned? I ask this because maybe I'm asking something that's not allowed without me knowing it.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> 
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