[NAGDU] Let's Discuss a Real Advocacy Case
Michael Hingson
mike at michaelhingson.com
Tue Mar 6 05:40:07 UTC 2018
Thanks, but you never know. Should you visit the U.S.. you may wish to know
local laws. However, I understand your position.
Best Regards,
Michael Hingson
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Let's Discuss a Real Advocacy Case
I can defend myself here by saying that, as an international reader on this
list, it will likely not benefit me to become familiar with another
country's legislation.
On 3/6/18, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Actually, using a miniature horse as a guide is not necessarily as
> complicated as you make it out to be. Anne on this list can best
> address this as she uses a miniature horse she trained. However, the
> laws do exist that permit using miniature horses and, given the track
record, rightly so.
> The municipality needs to learn the law which is pretty clear.
>
> What Marion asked is for us to learn and know the laws. He challenged
> us to do the research, something we all should do so we can speak
> intelligently about the subject. I would say that for those who said
> that they didn't have time to look up the citations, sure you do have
> the time. Whether a dog or a horse we all should know ALL aspects of
> the law. Knowledge is power. Don't just rely on others, know for
> yourself.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
> Vice President, NAGDU
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:59 AM
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> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Let's Discuss a Real Advocacy Case
>
> Marion:
>
> It is no wonder that the animal control and municipality are confused.
> Most
> of them do not even understand the laws for guide dogs. I do not
> agree with using mini horses as guides but I respect the rights of
> others to do it if they want. I have heard of miniature horses being
> used for emotional and physical disabilities However, you have to
> consider that it is a horse so therefore it requires the proper
> structure and pasture land for grazing and exercise. Most of the
> people using mini horses do live out in the country where there is
> plenty of land. Living within town limits does force a person to have
> the proper accommodations for their animal whether or not it is a
> service animal. This person might consider seeking some legal
> expertise from an attorney as well as someone
> who is an expert on the care of the miniature horse. All local, state
and
> federal regulations and laws need to be considered in this case. This
> situation is dealing with the municipality claiming that they do not
> have the proper amount of land to accommodate the miniature horse.
> That is complicated by the fact that this is a service animal. It is
> possible that there are no laws specific enough to deal with this
combination of facts.
> The municipality is only doing their job by ensuring that all animals
> are taken care of properly and that includes service animals. We all
> know this because we still have access issues with our guide dogs.
> The laws need to catch up with us. Miniature horses are not very
> common so the laws have not caught up with the current trends in
> service animals. In my internet search I have not found any
> information to clarify this issue. However, if this trend of using
> miniature horses are going to be used as service animals it is a good
> idea for all mini horse handlers as well as NAGDU to get involved so
> that maybe new regulations and laws can be developed. It might be
> necessary for new legeslation to be passed to resolve this issue.
>
> ------Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU President via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:27 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: NAGDU President
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Let's Discuss a Real Advocacy Case
>
> Cindy,
>
> When we receive calls from those asking us for our assistance,the
> approach of those who staff the hotline is to first offer guidance to
> the individual to help them be their own advocate. This goes a long
> way to empowering the individual to do so in other cases, as well. As
> service animal users, I believe we have the responsibility to
> ourselves and our colleagues to help the public understand these
> issues. This understanding helps us be better self-advocates and will,
> in the long run, make our ways smoother in the future, if not for
> ourselves directly but for those who will come behind us!
>
> This case has applications beyond the specifics of this one incident.
> Understanding this will help us be more informed and better members of
> the NFB and NAGDU!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
> Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 8:54 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Let's Discuss a Real Advocacy Case
>
> People, Marion is asking us to do this that we might become more
> familiar with the law and so that we can have an intelligent,
> well-thought out discussion on the topic. I hope that some of us will
> take time out of our busy lives to look up the information. The guide
> horse has been controversial, so it would be well for us to know what
> the conclusions have been in the end. I will look it up soon; maybe
> not today. But I think it is important for us to have this discussion.
> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of sonfire11--- via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Let's Discuss a Real Advocacy Case
>
> I don't have time for citations either. However, try looking something
> up in the fair housing act. It might give some recourse on the
> subject.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Roger Newell via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:29 PM
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> Cc: Roger Newell <inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Let's Discuss a Real Advocacy Case
>
> I do not have the time to find citations, but I will simply state the
> following:
>
> Guide dogs are permitted in many places where dogs who are not service
> animals are not allowed. This is due to the guide dog being a service
> animal. It would seem to me that a similar situation would exist for a
> horse that is acting as a service animal.
>
> On 3/5/18, NAGDU President via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> As members of the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users, we are often asked to weigh in on advocacy issues that have a
>> real effect on individual's ability to live the life they want. The
>> recent issue with Delta Airlines is a demonstration of why the
>> National Federation of the Blind chose to charter the National
>> Association of Guide Dog Users to act as an authoritative,
>> representative voice of the nation's guide dog users.
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently had the opportunity to help another member
>> who needed immediate assistance. This member lives in Baltimore
>> County, Maryland and uses a miniature guide horse. Baltimore County
>> has a zoning ordinance that prohibits anyone with less than 2 acres
>> to keep a horse. An animal control officer was at this person's home
>> to investigate a complaint that the individual was keeping a horse on
>> their property of less than 2 acres.
>> The animal control officer was advised that the horse was a service
>> animal but the officer was unsure of what, if any, bearing this had
>> on the
> issue.
>> If you were asked to comment on this issue, what would be your guidance.
>> Please take the time to research this question and provide source
>> citations for your position.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>>
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
>>
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
>> (813) 626-2789
>>
>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>
>> Visit our website <http://nagdu.org/>
>>
>> Follow us on Twitter <http://twitter.com/nagdu>
>>
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is
>> not what holds you back.
>>
>>
>>
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